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Are there four refrrences? I think I've got four but don't want to ruin it for everyone else if it's not enough. Haha. Fantastic video Will - really enjoyed it. A great story and well told.
LR Workshop & Expedition Nice video brother! I really enjoy watching it! But if I own that defender I will put 37” and Lockers on that for sure... you will be able to accomplish more trails with way less problems.... I have a Diacovery 2 on 37s with Lockers, and to get stuck in my disco, the mud need to be tick and deep men! Land Rovers are amazing machines! 🇬🇧 cheers 🍻
fresh prince at the start, slow as possible fast as necessary could be from any off road guide ever, 'the problem the machine the man', brave sir robin song from monty python, seems logical caption from either jimmy neutron or Spock (can't remember which), it's mud (life)but not as we know it from Star Trek, man in his natural habitat is of course Sir Attenborough. I think that's 5-6 references, even if it is 2 years too late...
My first vehicle was a 1946 Willys Jeep with the old flathead 4 engine. As a 17 year old who could not afford a packet of crisps, I could barely afford to keep it running, much less bolt anything to it. But I took it over mountain and bog, learning how to get it and me back home in one piece with nothing more than a shovel, a rope, and a sandwich or two. Those lessons serve me to this day. Technique and perseverance can overcome any obstacle.
What a great story! It's a shame that newcomers read the magazines and feel they have to spend thousands before they can even take part. I my advice is always to use it first.
Like the rest of the comments, I absolutely love this video. In answer to your questions: I have a stock 56 86 inch that does anything I ask of it and more without hesitation and a fairly modified 110 02 td5 DC. If the chips are ever down I would pick the stock series 1 any day. What I love above all else is unlike myself living in the UK, you are both actually living the the life most of us only dream of and demonstrate how the Landrover really got its formidable reputation. yes you make mistakes but that’s how we learn and your team work is an example to us all. I also love the real defender / real world - snots and bangs on every panel, ” injector knock,” ?on one cylinder, the over fuelling at full throttle and the physical exhaustion of your effort shown on your faces from your efforts and the reality of no more water. Thank-you so much, take care and safe travels 😊
All the “modifications” on my defender have earned their place, more like additions as the suspension, ride height etc are still the same. Lights, added after not seeing floodwater had crept onto a road in Wales, scary moment with a friendly hedge. Winch, after getting very stuck in some peat bog where digging was fruitless, spare wheel as a jack base and a pontoon made from fence posts and old rope got us out and also to get through sections where attempting to drive through would just cause more damage to the trail. Snorkel, floods and dust. Recovery gear just to make life easier....you don’t have to be kicked in the nuts to know it hurts🤷♂️ like you many lessons learned the hard way. I have had customers with super tricked up trucks, all the add-ons and lifts etc but unable to drive “off road”.....looks good in the car park though😂 I love defenders...had mine for over 15 years, she’s a part of the family and has done some serious overland mileage, over 200,000 miles and still going strong. I disagree, defenders can have a soul, yes they are a tool...but there is something different, something special about them? Awesome video and narration thank you 🙏
I loved this video. Without rehashing the content, I completely get it. I bought my first 4x4, two years ago. A 1998 Toyota Prado (Colorado in the UK) 3.4 V6 petrol. I have kept it completely standard, and proudly so. I go bush in Victoria, Australia ever chance I get and I have the best times.
Great video, that woman is truly awesome and one in a million. Makes a change to see people engage brain when problems arise. Certainly makes you think what is necessary on such a trip 👍
I remember a few years back pulling into a wet field with a trailer on the back to drop a few trees and take payment with what wood I could take away...well after loading near on 2 ton of wood on the trailer both defender and trailer where sat up to there axles...all the guys where laughing saying your knackered now and looked on to see me struggle to get out...well what happened was that the old girl had a quick scramble and then popped herself and the trailer up out of that hole and drive straight past them all...the look on there faces was priceless (even I was shocked at what had just happened!)...standard defender 110 on all terrains...they are amazing machines and still have her 13yrs later...for me they have a character and a soul albeit a machine...she's a family member and a keeper!
Reminds me 35 years ago crossing some deep mud pits, We: my father, the series ll and I (at 7 years old) in someplace in the tropic. Greetings from Costa Rica
You sir need more subs, this was great! Honest and straight up solid storytelling, so happy I found this channel. Watching this after spending hours trying to fix a damn UAZ(actually two of the bloody things) and missing my Defender back home. Thanks and keep 'em coming!
Well sir, I have to tell you, drove a 1972 series iii for 14 years, did all the crazy off road stuff you can think of, and it never EVER left me stranded. True enough they are a particular and querky vehicle. But yiu just have to love them 🤪
Excellent video. Shows how to use common sense, analytical skill, patience and your environment. I have watched a LOT of people doing a LOT of things, but there are very few of US that believe in being minimalists and surviving on stock vehicles and our brain power to overcome terrain that seems unbeatable.
Well I guess I am the guy who has a very well equipped Land Rover Discovery and I love it. I also love your story. It is well narrated and very interesting. I am 68 yo and started 4WDing when I was about 22 yo so I have a lot of years under my belt in 4WD's. My Land Rover is well equipped with a Bull Bar, a high lift jack, recovery points front and back and is slightly modified in the suspension and tyre areas. But, the mods I like the most are my home built cupboards in the rear which I keep tools, cooking gear etc etc. I have a solar panel on the roof with a 12v deep cycle battery which I use for for my 12v air compressor and it also runs my extra 'Camp Lights". This 1998 Landrover Discovery is my 'play' car and I really love it. I totally agree with your comments about Land Rover and yes, they are very capable in the right hands. I hope you have many more years of enjoyment from Land Rovers and I also had a partner just like the girl you have. Bloody beautiful mate. See ya - Gerry
What an awesome footage! I truly enjoy not only the Defender itself with no modifications but also you and your lady managing it all, plus the jungle. Love everything in it (even your deep voice, ha ha!). All the best, mate
Thoroughly enjoyable video with some great memories for the two of you. Thanks! My 110 is stock (apart from underbody skid plates for the steering and fuel tank) with the 2.5NA and the 1.67 transfer case. I am slow on the highways, but fine off road. I have great fun on the same trails as my friends in lifted Toyotas and Wranglers.
In my experience, a 90 or 110 will almost always get through something if it sounds pissed off enough with the terrain causing it difficulty. They are just a tool, but like all great tools which help you through difficult situations, they become a friend you would miss too. Perhaps for that reason we lend them some of our soul.
I feel like a winch, shovel, hi lift and traction boards are necessary. Great video and brilliant idea with the logs. I do agree though. I do agree though. In some cases larger tires and lockers are great but skill and ingenuity are greater.
That great was fun, trust me getting stuck alone isn’t a lesser experience (lesson) but it’s more fun when you have someone to share it with and is willing to help with ideas and labor if needed, enjoy this brave new world, try to expect the unexpected and you could be a little bit more prepared
Hello and thanks for sharing a (some?) great moment(s). I had some laughs ("balls deep in modificatinos"??haha, "broad shouldered, square and white") discovered that you're the same fellow presenting LR defenders in Afganistan and the one I had discovered a year ago plowing through deep mud and falling in love with Defenders doing it. Nice video and lucky man having found love driving a LR in Belize!!!! Cheers
This was bloody fantastic. Great story on an evening I needed a good chuckle. Proud Perentie 110 owner. I figure if it was good enough for thirty years service to the Australian Army its good enough for the likes of me and I’m not changing much on it at all. Mine did not come with a winch so I wouldn’t mind adding that. Subbed.
Your right about that but you would be surprised how many people think bigger tyres and diff locks are the be all end all and start modding the things before they have even drawn their first civilian mud.
That was awesome ! Thanks for sharing this video ...Years ago we had a 90 and a 110 both series 3 models ( The 110..5 door one was a Ex Fiji Police (Black Maria) and the 90 used to belong to Fiji Sugar corp),....both 2 -1/4 litre diesels. Years later i sold the 110 to a guy ,n came to Australia,..then 5 years later i went back to Fiji met the guy by chance n asked about the Landie. (He said he busted the transfer case n retired it) ...so i bought back the same ,my ex 110 Landie from him , rebuild motor and all ..used it for a while an then sold it again...lol . I have an old 1998 FZJ105 now back in Land Down Under, but every time i see a Landie , i get a smile.
Best 4x4 video on YT so far. Period. To add to the story, I did the same for 2 years in the *Peruvian Amazon.* As a scientist (yes, we can too hahaha) I drove on worse mud roads, almost daily, in my stock Kaiser *Willy Jeep CJ-3B.* The Jeep had a standard "Hurricane” F-head engine, no winch or snorkel, and less power than specs due to wear and tear. Even the wheels were standard with all-terrain non-mud tires, but with max diameter for clearance. My main problem was the narrower wheel track compared to most other all-terrain and trucks that frequented the same mud roads, hence I often got stuck on a close to 45 degrees angle in the bottom of deep pits. The tracks could be so brutal and run down that the side walls could be in line with my eye sight. So seriously stuck and the night was closing in (and a non-desired over-nighter was coming), I often had to jacked the Jeep out of the pits with some beefy logs and some $ to the locals, and i was able to do that bcs the vehicle's light weight. Couldn't have done that with any Land Rover. Period!
That 110 certainly got a hammering... I like that they can be beaten to death but still do what they're told :) I hate to see them all damaged and stuff but the point is they can take it!
Cant remember last time i watched a video i enjoyed this much, your videos at least remind me not go manic depressive every time our defender coughs up something.
Thanks for the video, for those off road entusiasts, two words "differential locker" 90% of the time I see difficult off road situations they can be passed without problems with a diff-lock, only a useful suggestion 😁 regards.
Love the story, what a great experience!!! Refreshing to see the honesty of mistakes. Thank you!! I agree on overbuilt expensive rigs. Yet I’ve modified every off road vehicle we’ve owned when we reach its limits. To go deeper, get lost more and see the greatest the wilds have to offer. The best modifications... Tallest tires, traction boards and a Jet Boil for a warm brew after digging out. Great job and keep it up!!!
I purchased a 1997 300tdi Defender that was lifted with muddies, drove horribly on road. I then purchased some secondhand standard springs, some secondhand standard steel wheels, fitted 14 ply cross ply tyres on said wheels and it's unstoppable off road, And drives much better on road. It's all down to the attitude behind the wheel. Loved the video 👌
Brilliant! Great narrative about learning skills and using the Landrover to best effect. Landrovers taught me to: keep thumbs out of steering spokes (series lll), steer into slide/skid. Welly it when needed and laugh your head off when going sideways. Teach children to drive on beach and sit on wings as well. Finally enjoy driving (most important) Thank you so much for this video. Take care. Mark
What a fantastic video, thank you very much. My 110 300tdi isn't standard, but it's all body protection ( I have to pay for the repair work, so would rather avoid damaging it) a snorkel and a bit more go go bits to make it more drivable in modern traffic. Standard wheels and suspension, but I take her off road as much as possible. Thank you again for reminding us of just how capable these trucks can be 💪
Thanks Marco. It's a good point you make. I've seen pickup trucks driven on bald tyres in places where a Defender struggled. It's amazing what abilities can be unleashed when you're not worried about the consequences to your vehicle. It's not always a luxury you have when it's your daily driver or hobby.
Great work Will. Drove an out of the box Nissan Patrol through some treacherous boggy terrain in South Sudan, didn't skip a beat. Wish I had been in a LR110 and employed your philosophy, the LR would’ve smashed it.
Great video. When you go off-roading at some event if you get stuck someone comes up and yanks you out, so no opportunity to experiment, try different approaches and to really learn to off-road. Your video is a perfect example of how to really learn to off-road and how to problem solve.
What a outstanding video! Thanks to you and your female counterpart.If she cooks as good as she is as co-pilot: let the wedding bells ring! That was a really entertaining video, do more of those man and two machines shows....
Loved the video, keep it up. If it's one thing I have learned, the factory makes things really really reliable, mods add stress on all parts. The weak link will never go away.
Not really true, manufacturers make cars as cheaply as possible while having similar perfomance with competing brands and be as reliable as necessary. I kind of find your opinion ironic considering you made it on a video about a Land Rover, because Land Rovers are famous for their unreliability not to mention many aftermarket parts are actually far superior in quality than OEM parts. The point of aftermarket parts is to personalize or specialize your vehicle for the type of driving you want to do so that it's more capable and does the job with as little effort as possible. For example in this youtuber's case (while it's a good story) he's actually putting more stress on his 4x4 by keeping it stock because it's not built specifically for the terrain he is covering.
I agree with you to a point. most car manufacturers make a vehicle good enough to compete with the competition like you said I agree. but also the bean counters get involved and it gets worse. I think manufacturers make more money selling parts and they want to sell the new model soon, which of these two recalls!! the correct statement I think both of us are looking for is planned obsolescence. For the record I drive a Toyota Land cruiser. 80 Series
Conservation Volunteers Australia’s I had the same problem, it Australia had troop carrier Toyota .and had Trailor, the road was bad too ! I really enjoyed your video!
Amazing video. Why no winch? I live and love my winch. Running the old school bellview power in only. They are so cheap to buy. Around 200$. And such a life saver.
I’ve watched this video numerous times...I live here in Belize and I know very well the area you was in. Very entertaining to watch, had hoped you had more footage 🤣 currently fixing up my defender to have 35s and a winch...makes it a bit easier. Like the statement you said also...about modification of attitude, very true!
I don't think add-ons are an all-or nothing proposition, more like a continuum. The right few can definitely add to a Defender while alternatively trying to make it into a monster truck brings diminishing returns (or negative returns). Slightly bigger tyres, modest lift, winch and maybe a spot light have all been welcome additions. I ditched my 3,000lb ARB bullbar for a standard (with an A-bar) and felt immediate relief. Dual battery for camping and the only thing left to change is this suburban environment. I almost found myself envious of your jungle struggles (and certainly of your first-class partner). Cheers!
Great video there Will, dirty date hey. The good old 110, I agree totally, basically less is more. Good X member ...OH !! ;-) thought you where going to mention her outriggers at one point ;-) All the best, Cheers Wayne
This was a great video. Really interesting and entertaining. I have a 2015 Defender 90 and I definitely fall into the bolting bits on camp. I feel safer off-roading knowing I have a steering guard and diff guards. I could not resist the after market LED Lights either - they do look cool but also I can now see where I am going at night!! Looking forward to the next video!!
Standard Defenders are amazing things, I can't believe where they will go, they really are the real McCoy and it's easy to make them much worse by bolting unnecessary crap on.. 300tdi, 235 tyres, standard suspension and learn how to use it. Great video.
this is an awesome mini documentary ! thank you ! i have two jeep cherokee XJs, one is totally stock, the other is totally modified, they are both spectacularly fun in their own way. i like the challenge of the driving the stock xj through really rough terrain, and i like the ease of maintaining it. while i also love the ease of driving the modified xj through even tougher rougher terrain, and i love the challenge of building it (it has no fancy add-ons, only functional stuff).
Brilliant story- I totally agree. I leard to drive off road in a series 3 at 17yrs from a Ex pat in Canada. My Buddy and I even won several off road races in our 1973 series 3 against a lot of jacked up shiny throttle jockeys (as teenagers in the funny old truck) by picking good routes and letting the rover do the work
I drove a Disco 4 on an offroad course once and it was really easy. Too easy. The Defender isn't as capable but it's extra ability could come from practising my skills, which helps you not become reliant on technology. Yours is a good example of that. Thanks for the comment Mike :)
Love this video on so many levels. i've also driven all thoughout Belize, the jungle is real, lol. I'm sorry Jen, he has the LR disease, lol. I drive a Series 3 109, stock.
Very nice Video & great story. I own a 85 Wolf ex-mod 110 Rover that I named Wylie. all stock expect i have added: *exmoor canvas softop *custom Overhead Tan speakers w/dome light *Onboard 3000Watt power converter & 110V California air compressor *1994 defender 90 brush guard mounted on stock military bumper. ,( found on local classifieds really cheap) *Cb radio & CD stereo *MudUk center console w/ rocker switches & gauges *center cubby box * mud tires with stock Wold wheels Other than that is the best Vehicle I have owned in my entire life..
I always tough! never go along into the woods with 1 vehicle i was wrong you guys Handel it real good! Even with out No winch!!!!! And your girl she is a super woman!
excellent video. I have a standard Jeep Wrangler and it works fine for my needs. Some of these guys get a "little" carried away with mods. I do have aggressive tires on it but standard 17 inch.
Sir, I honestly believe the last question you asked is the correct one. Apply your experience. However, when your experience tell you to modify think of the pro and cons. But, by far Experience over modification. Save money and get out camping. In other words, "Just do it." God Bless...
Cool story thanks for sharing 👍 Love your take on mods although I dont fully agree. Its more horses for courses and what trails and obstacles you are doing that dictate imo.
LROR totally agree only 90 km from civilisation if you have any clue u won't die. But here in Australia I'm not doing remote tracks on my own without a winch. Something to do with being thousands of km from anybody.
Just went nuts rebuilding a 4.0. Disco2. Rebuilt the motor Added about 50hp, 3" terra firma kit(all of it), bfg 33", brakes/abs, and added some bumpers/ skid plates. I want to turbo it but I have to adapt that new BMW 8spd everyone's using in their jeeps and Ashcroft axles. I loved this whole adventure! I subbed for sure.
I couldn't imagine the old Rover V8 could handle a turbo for very long and soon a better alternative to rebuilding old Rover engines will be upon us. An American will soon be selling an affordable mostly bolt on kit to adapt LS V8's to Disco 1's and 2's. A standard LS' max torque is right on the limit for what Rover drivetrains can handle so there's no need for boost but everyone knows LS V8's can handle plenty of it.
JRC - 395 Its an easy swap I just budget rebuilt the motor in frame instead. New bearings and things. I only need 6-8psi to compensate the horrendous head design. I have a mechanical built 4jg2 and tranny laying around and that would also drop right in with custom mounts and driveshafts. Just got to hit up Dakota digital for your gauge adjustments. Electrical engineering is easy.
Loved video even though Im that guy you described. Toyota 80 series 4" lift 35" tyres 3 diff locks etc etc. Only the right mind set will get you home whatever the gear you have.
Great video, every real off-roader has been though a similar experience and has fallen in love more with of-road driving. I too absolutely love the look and potential of stock 4x4s, however I like my 37s and rear locker stuffed in 2000 Suburban with no lift ;-)
Interesting and informative. The Defender in stock form has been a works horse for many years and why Land Rover thought it would be a good idea to stop making it only the accountants at Tata know. Land Rovers Centre Diff Lock is the key to the vehicles success. We currently on a Discovery IIA and it is totally stock, with the only addition of the CDL as the Traction Control system is good, but it has it's limitations. Most of the work has been on the engine and keeping on top servicing, etc. Up against some highly modified Land Rovers and other vehicles over the years the Discovery has kept up with only the use of All Terrains and the DIIs ground clearance being an issue. I do not intend to lift the vehicle, as choosing the right line and the ability to use not only the CDL but the TC as well means for our use the vehicle will get us where we need to go. We do have front and rear recovery points and carry recovery ropes, etc.
Great video and I echo most of the the comments below, I agree totally with the fact that the then current “ out of the box” capabilities of the Land Rover products were, are excellent with the caveat of they could be enhanced by tyre choice and added underbody protection. I really enjoyed your candid and amusing narrative, but is it me? Does that 300tdi sound like it needed a bit of tic? , ( my Froader is a 300tdi and magnificent, my overlander is a Landcruiser, fantastic but not bulletproof) best regards to all
Thanks Billy. Yeah the engine was wrecked with 160000km (100k miles). Had overheated on the highway twice in its life and wouldn't drive faster than 100km (62mph) - there was something going on inside we never got to the bottom of
i prefer to wheel stockish rigs main 2 reasons is its hard to find parts in backwater towns for liftkits and it takes away the fun and thinking ill oversize the tires by only an in. or 2 (max 3 from stock) and try to get a unit with stock limited slip diff. my current truck is a 87 dodge dokota longbox 2wd stock lsd with 2 inch taller tires and had it in lots of crazy spots in the backcountry quad/cow paths included only had to do one recovery with a short shovel and a jack
Just to put the mileage into perspective, I have a Range Rover buggy we started racing in 1995. It’s done trials and the odd comp and maybe 30 or more winch challenge? We have had a lot of fun in it :o) In that time it has done 380 miles. It must average 1 mile per hour :P
Cool story but in the right hands the barbi cars are ok not great but ok . The biggest problem with the deefer is the rear diff now of you put a disco diff in you would not drag as much . I am a landy tragic have at present a disco 300tdi auto only auto as i have been crippled. The looks you get from the lifted and locked brigade is priceless when you drive past them and they are winching. It is more the driver knowing how to read the track and not rely on horsepower that gets you much further. The handiest thing i have found for recovery in soft conditions is a garden hoe , great reach pulls a heap of material and is easy to use . Cheers from Australia
I agree, i've seen some phenomenal driving done in pickup trucks with bald tyres..! Garden hoe is a good shout, not heard of that one. I fitted a P38 diff to my Defender which gives a bit better ground clearance, hich was largely inspired by the events of this video - www.landroverexpedition.com/technical/replacing-a-300tdi-salisbury-axle-with-a-td5puma-110-rear-axle/
I know nothing about Land Rovers or off roading , but love your no nonsense vids 👍🏻 So a silly question, you said it was a 300tdi , but on the front wheel arch it says Td5 Are they the same thing , as I thought they were different ?? !!
I fitted a Safety Devices roll cage when I rebuilt mine because i was worried after seeing pictures of them rolled over but it adds so much weight! I am so fed up with mine because a tiny gasket has blown behind the cambelt cover and its pissing out water. Bang goes another weekend. Sometimes i want a Toyota Yaris instead but watching this video reminds me that it will never be for sale. I’m 16 years and £20k into it now.
Cages are about 100kg aren't they? P gasket by any chance? I know the feeling when it seems like they turn against you. Maybe it's a good excuse for a rebuild...? :D
I spent between 2013 and 17 rebuilding it but when you can't afford to replace every single item it takes so long to get it reliable. Yes it is the P gasket! 10 points to you. I don't know how heavy the roll cage is but it was bloody heavy getting it off the van when it was delivered!
Good video, thank you. Tell me in 20 years if you still like digging out of the mud. I drove off road for about 25 years with no big modifications. But I'm getting old, and I really don't have the energy for digging. With some mild modifications, you can increase the capabilities of your 4x4, get over more obstacles, avoid getting stuck, and get unstuck easier. A mild lift improves your approach and departure angles. I prefer to be over prepared when in the middle of nowhere. You have a better chance of getting home. You still need some driving skill.
My discovery 2 has only 1 mod and thats changing from air suspenzion to coils on the back, never got stuck, as you say its all down to how you drive off road, not what you drive.
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Only 3. That is not good enough.
Are there four refrrences? I think I've got four but don't want to ruin it for everyone else if it's not enough. Haha.
Fantastic video Will - really enjoyed it. A great story and well told.
There are 5 main ones. There's a 6th if i'm being anal.... but i'll accept the 5 main ones :)
LR Workshop & Expedition Nice video brother! I really enjoy watching it! But if I own that defender I will put 37” and Lockers on that for sure... you will be able to accomplish more trails with way less problems.... I have a Diacovery 2 on 37s with Lockers, and to get stuck in my disco, the mud need to be tick and deep men! Land Rovers are amazing machines! 🇬🇧 cheers 🍻
fresh prince at the start, slow as possible fast as necessary could be from any off road guide ever, 'the problem the machine the man', brave sir robin song from monty python, seems logical caption from either jimmy neutron or Spock (can't remember which), it's mud (life)but not as we know it from Star Trek, man in his natural habitat is of course Sir Attenborough.
I think that's 5-6 references, even if it is 2 years too late...
I would watch days of this stuff, the only drawback being jealousy of the incredible partner you somehow managed to end up with. Well done
Thanks that's nice to hear :)
Thoroughly enjoyed this story, brilliant narrative and some great footage!
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing
thanks Bruce!
The car you can always change, you gotta keep that girl man, you'll get over any obstacles with her ;)
The wife is a champion, your a good story teller.🤣🤣
My first vehicle was a 1946 Willys Jeep with the old flathead 4 engine. As a 17 year old who could not afford a packet of crisps, I could barely afford to keep it running, much less bolt anything to it. But I took it over mountain and bog, learning how to get it and me back home in one piece with nothing more than a shovel, a rope, and a sandwich or two. Those lessons serve me to this day. Technique and perseverance can overcome any obstacle.
What a great story! It's a shame that newcomers read the magazines and feel they have to spend thousands before they can even take part. I my advice is always to use it first.
Like the rest of the comments, I absolutely love this video.
In answer to your questions:
I have a stock 56 86 inch that does anything I ask of it and more without hesitation and a fairly modified 110 02 td5 DC. If the chips are ever down I would pick the stock series 1 any day.
What I love above all else is unlike myself living in the UK, you are both actually living the the life most of us only dream of and demonstrate how the Landrover really got its formidable reputation. yes you make mistakes but that’s how we learn and your team work is an example to us all.
I also love the real defender / real world - snots and bangs on every panel, ” injector knock,” ?on one cylinder, the over fuelling at full throttle and the physical exhaustion of your effort shown on your faces from your efforts and the reality of no more water.
Thank-you so much, take care and safe travels 😊
Am a Landy lover - you and that Defender have just lifted me respect for them up another 5 notches. Great vid !
Thanks Henry! :)
All the “modifications” on my defender have earned their place, more like additions as the suspension, ride height etc are still the same. Lights, added after not seeing floodwater had crept onto a road in Wales, scary moment with a friendly hedge. Winch, after getting very stuck in some peat bog where digging was fruitless, spare wheel as a jack base and a pontoon made from fence posts and old rope got us out and also to get through sections where attempting to drive through would just cause more damage to the trail. Snorkel, floods and dust. Recovery gear just to make life easier....you don’t have to be kicked in the nuts to know it hurts🤷♂️ like you many lessons learned the hard way. I have had customers with super tricked up trucks, all the add-ons and lifts etc but unable to drive “off road”.....looks good in the car park though😂 I love defenders...had mine for over 15 years, she’s a part of the family and has done some serious overland mileage, over 200,000 miles and still going strong. I disagree, defenders can have a soul, yes they are a tool...but there is something different, something special about them? Awesome video and narration thank you 🙏
I loved this video. Without rehashing the content, I completely get it. I bought my first 4x4, two years ago. A 1998 Toyota Prado (Colorado in the UK) 3.4 V6 petrol. I have kept it completely standard, and proudly so. I go bush in Victoria, Australia ever chance I get and I have the best times.
Thanks. Enjoy yourself!
An excellent ethos in my opinion. My Series 3 88 is superb as standard. It goes anywhere!
Great video, that woman is truly awesome and one in a million. Makes a change to see people engage brain when problems arise. Certainly makes you think what is necessary on such a trip 👍
I remember a few years back pulling into a wet field with a trailer on the back to drop a few trees and take payment with what wood I could take away...well after loading near on 2 ton of wood on the trailer both defender and trailer where sat up to there axles...all the guys where laughing saying your knackered now and looked on to see me struggle to get out...well what happened was that the old girl had a quick scramble and then popped herself and the trailer up out of that hole and drive straight past them all...the look on there faces was priceless (even I was shocked at what had just happened!)...standard defender 110 on all terrains...they are amazing machines and still have her 13yrs later...for me they have a character and a soul albeit a machine...she's a family member and a keeper!
Love it thanks , what a woman she is a keeper.😀
Thanks John, she is!
Reminds me 35 years ago crossing some deep mud pits, We: my father, the series ll and I (at 7 years old) in someplace in the tropic. Greetings from Costa Rica
Brilliant video , simply brilliant....Keep it standard all the way......thanks for this
Thanks Curtis!
Love your story telling and sharing your experience mate. Much love and respect
What an oddly compelling video. Very good.
Narration, camera, editing -- all great! Excellent video!
Brilliant video!
You sir need more subs, this was great! Honest and straight up solid storytelling, so happy I found this channel. Watching this after spending hours trying to fix a damn UAZ(actually two of the bloody things) and missing my Defender back home. Thanks and keep 'em coming!
Well sir, I have to tell you, drove a 1972 series iii for 14 years, did all the crazy off road stuff you can think of, and it never EVER left me stranded. True enough they are a particular and querky vehicle. But yiu just have to love them 🤪
I love the sound of the 300 TDi motor. Sounds just like my 1997 Discovery.
Ohh, for God's sake, buy a winch.... Loved the video btw
He can also use more the 3rd, 4th and 5th gear on low range... And avoid get so high rpms, not so good for Diesel engines...
Excellent video. Shows how to use common sense, analytical skill, patience and your environment. I have watched a LOT of people doing a LOT of things, but there are very few of US that believe in being minimalists and surviving on stock vehicles and our brain power to overcome terrain that seems unbeatable.
Well I guess I am the guy who has a very well equipped Land Rover Discovery and I love it. I also love your story. It is well narrated and very interesting. I am 68 yo and started 4WDing when I was about 22 yo so I have a lot of years under my belt in 4WD's. My Land Rover is well equipped with a Bull Bar, a high lift jack, recovery points front and back and is slightly modified in the suspension and tyre areas. But, the mods I like the most are my home built cupboards in the rear which I keep tools, cooking gear etc etc. I have a solar panel on the roof with a 12v deep cycle battery which I use for for my 12v air compressor and it also runs my extra 'Camp Lights". This 1998 Landrover Discovery is my 'play' car and I really love it. I totally agree with your comments about Land Rover and yes, they are very capable in the right hands. I hope you have many more years of enjoyment from Land Rovers and I also had a partner just like the girl you have. Bloody beautiful mate. See ya - Gerry
What an awesome footage! I truly enjoy not only the Defender itself with no modifications but also you and your lady managing it all, plus the jungle. Love everything in it (even your deep voice, ha ha!). All the best, mate
Thanks Cam 👍
Good stuff, well done - I love the way you think and your values!
Thoroughly enjoyable video with some great memories for the two of you. Thanks!
My 110 is stock (apart from underbody skid plates for the steering and fuel tank) with the 2.5NA and the 1.67 transfer case. I am slow on the highways, but fine off road. I have great fun on the same trails as my friends in lifted Toyotas and Wranglers.
Cheers! :) A 2.5NA and 1.67 T-box.... you're a braver man than me!
In my experience, a 90 or 110 will almost always get through something if it sounds pissed off enough with the terrain causing it difficulty. They are just a tool, but like all great tools which help you through difficult situations, they become a friend you would miss too. Perhaps for that reason we lend them some of our soul.
I feel like a winch, shovel, hi lift and traction boards are necessary. Great video and brilliant idea with the logs. I do agree though. I do agree though. In some cases larger tires and lockers are great but skill and ingenuity are greater.
That great was fun, trust me getting stuck alone isn’t a lesser experience (lesson) but it’s more fun when you have someone to share it with and is willing to help with ideas and labor if needed, enjoy this brave new world, try to expect the unexpected and you could be a little bit more prepared
That was brilliant to watch mate. And I reckon you're spot on with your narration. Great to watch. Cheers for sharing. 'Go that Landy'!
Great story and video, loved it.
Very interesting story.well done great driving.
Hello and thanks for sharing a (some?) great moment(s). I had some laughs ("balls deep in modificatinos"??haha, "broad shouldered, square and white") discovered that you're the same fellow presenting LR defenders in Afganistan and the one I had discovered a year ago plowing through deep mud and falling in love with Defenders doing it. Nice video and lucky man having found love driving a LR in Belize!!!! Cheers
thanks Nicolas 👍
This was bloody fantastic. Great story on an evening I needed a good chuckle. Proud Perentie 110 owner. I figure if it was good enough for thirty years service to the Australian Army its good enough for the likes of me and I’m not changing much on it at all. Mine did not come with a winch so I wouldn’t mind adding that. Subbed.
Perentie is far away different from factory landrover! Perentie is how they should come from the Landy factory.
Your right about that but you would be surprised how many people think bigger tyres and diff locks are the be all end all and start modding the things before they have even drawn their first civilian mud.
That was awesome ! Thanks for sharing this video ...Years ago we had a 90 and a 110 both series 3 models ( The 110..5 door one was a Ex Fiji Police (Black Maria) and the 90 used to belong to Fiji Sugar corp),....both 2 -1/4 litre diesels. Years later i sold the 110 to a guy ,n came to Australia,..then 5 years later i went back to Fiji met the guy by chance n asked about the Landie. (He said he busted the transfer case n retired it) ...so i bought back the same ,my ex 110 Landie from him , rebuild motor and all ..used it for a while an then sold it again...lol . I have an old 1998 FZJ105 now back in Land Down Under, but every time i see a Landie , i get a smile.
I loved watching this. Just a raised air intake and a full length roof rack on my 1997 110 300tdi.
Best 4x4 video on YT so far. Period.
To add to the story, I did the same for 2 years in the *Peruvian Amazon.* As a scientist (yes, we can too hahaha) I drove on worse mud roads, almost daily, in my stock Kaiser *Willy Jeep CJ-3B.* The Jeep had a standard "Hurricane” F-head engine, no winch or snorkel, and less power than specs due to wear and tear. Even the wheels were standard with all-terrain non-mud tires, but with max diameter for clearance.
My main problem was the narrower wheel track compared to most other all-terrain and trucks that frequented the same mud roads, hence I often got stuck on a close to 45 degrees angle in the bottom of deep pits. The tracks could be so brutal and run down that the side walls could be in line with my eye sight. So seriously stuck and the night was closing in (and a non-desired over-nighter was coming), I often had to jacked the Jeep out of the pits with some beefy logs and some $ to the locals, and i was able to do that bcs the vehicle's light weight. Couldn't have done that with any Land Rover. Period!
Great video, thanks . Defender 110 owner in Brazil
21:14 PHENOMENAL BONDING experience with Jen - yeah, I know exactly what you mean bro!
That 110 certainly got a hammering... I like that they can be beaten to death but still do what they're told :) I hate to see them all damaged and stuff but the point is they can take it!
Cant remember last time i watched a video i enjoyed this much, your videos at least remind me not go manic depressive every time our defender coughs up something.
Good to hear Mark!
Great video well done you two
The best part; your girl doesn’t complain about anything, she knows everything is going to be fine.
Thanks for the video, for those off road entusiasts, two words "differential locker" 90% of the time I see difficult off road situations they can be passed without problems with a diff-lock, only a useful suggestion 😁 regards.
Love the story, what a great experience!!! Refreshing to see the honesty of mistakes. Thank you!! I agree on overbuilt expensive rigs. Yet I’ve modified every off road vehicle we’ve owned when we reach its limits. To go deeper, get lost more and see the greatest the wilds have to offer. The best modifications... Tallest tires, traction boards and a Jet Boil for a warm brew after digging out.
Great job and keep it up!!!
I purchased a 1997 300tdi Defender that was lifted with muddies, drove horribly on road. I then purchased some secondhand standard springs, some secondhand standard steel wheels, fitted 14 ply cross ply tyres on said wheels and it's unstoppable off road, And drives much better on road. It's all down to the attitude behind the wheel. Loved the video 👌
cheers!
Brilliant! Great narrative about learning skills and using the Landrover to best effect. Landrovers taught me to: keep thumbs out of steering spokes (series lll), steer into slide/skid. Welly it when needed and laugh your head off when going sideways. Teach children to drive on beach and sit on wings as well. Finally enjoy driving (most important)
Thank you so much for this video. Take care.
Mark
Thanks Mark :) My first driving experience was in a field but a beach sounds just as fun!
What a fantastic video, thank you very much. My 110 300tdi isn't standard, but it's all body protection ( I have to pay for the repair work, so would rather avoid damaging it) a snorkel and a bit more go go bits to make it more drivable in modern traffic. Standard wheels and suspension, but I take her off road as much as possible. Thank you again for reminding us of just how capable these trucks can be 💪
Thanks Marco. It's a good point you make. I've seen pickup trucks driven on bald tyres in places where a Defender struggled. It's amazing what abilities can be unleashed when you're not worried about the consequences to your vehicle. It's not always a luxury you have when it's your daily driver or hobby.
Your Mrs is what got you through mate, not the Landrover, any real 4x4 would have done that, not any woman or girl would have though 👍
Great work Will. Drove an out of the box Nissan Patrol through some treacherous boggy terrain in South Sudan, didn't skip a beat. Wish I had been in a LR110 and employed your philosophy, the LR would’ve smashed it.
Thanks!
great commentary mate and lucky to have a mrs whos not scared to pick up a shovel good onya
Great video. When you go off-roading at some event if you get stuck someone comes up and yanks you out, so no opportunity to experiment, try different approaches and to really learn to off-road. Your video is a perfect example of how to really learn to off-road and how to problem solve.
Cheers Dave. I was lucky enough to have the personal space to make mistakes and learn the hard way
Overland vlogging before overland vlogging was even a thing. Great video.
What a outstanding video! Thanks to you and your female counterpart.If she cooks as good as she is as co-pilot: let the wedding bells ring! That was a really entertaining video, do more of those man and two machines shows....
Thanks Thomas. She cooks better than I do that's for sure!
Loved the video, keep it up. If it's one thing I have learned, the factory makes things really really reliable, mods add stress on all parts. The weak link will never go away.
Not really true, manufacturers make cars as cheaply as possible while having similar perfomance with competing brands and be as reliable as necessary. I kind of find your opinion ironic considering you made it on a video about a Land Rover, because Land Rovers are famous for their unreliability not to mention many aftermarket parts are actually far superior in quality than OEM parts. The point of aftermarket parts is to personalize or specialize your vehicle for the type of driving you want to do so that it's more capable and does the job with as little effort as possible.
For example in this youtuber's case (while it's a good story) he's actually putting more stress on his 4x4 by keeping it stock because it's not built specifically for the terrain he is covering.
I agree with you to a point. most car manufacturers make a vehicle good enough to compete with the competition like you said I agree. but also the bean counters get involved and it gets worse. I think manufacturers make more money selling parts and they want to sell the new model soon, which of these two recalls!!
the correct statement I think both of us are looking for is planned obsolescence.
For the record I drive a Toyota Land cruiser. 80 Series
Why didn't you try straddling the ruts?
Conservation Volunteers Australia’s I had the same problem, it Australia had troop carrier Toyota .and had Trailor, the road was bad too ! I really enjoyed your video!
Amazing video. Why no winch? I live and love my winch. Running the old school bellview power in only. They are so cheap to buy. Around 200$. And such a life saver.
I’ve watched this video numerous times...I live here in Belize and I know very well the area you was in. Very entertaining to watch, had hoped you had more footage 🤣 currently fixing up my defender to have 35s and a winch...makes it a bit easier. Like the statement you said also...about modification of attitude, very true!
Thanks Christopher. Stay tuned there will be a few more videos from my time in Belize
I don't think add-ons are an all-or nothing proposition, more like a continuum. The right few can definitely add to a Defender while alternatively trying to make it into a monster truck brings diminishing returns (or negative returns). Slightly bigger tyres, modest lift, winch and maybe a spot light have all been welcome additions. I ditched my 3,000lb ARB bullbar for a standard (with an A-bar) and felt immediate relief. Dual battery for camping and the only thing left to change is this suburban environment. I almost found myself envious of your jungle struggles (and certainly of your first-class partner). Cheers!
Great video there Will, dirty date hey. The good old 110, I agree totally, basically less is more. Good X member ...OH !! ;-) thought you where going to mention her outriggers at one point ;-) All the best, Cheers Wayne
hehe ;)
This was a great video. Really interesting and entertaining. I have a 2015 Defender 90 and I definitely fall into the bolting bits on camp. I feel safer off-roading knowing I have a steering guard and diff guards. I could not resist the after market LED Lights either - they do look cool but also I can now see where I am going at night!! Looking forward to the next video!!
Thanks Wayne!
Standard Defenders are amazing things, I can't believe where they will go, they really are the real McCoy and it's easy to make them much worse by bolting unnecessary crap on.. 300tdi, 235 tyres, standard suspension and learn how to use it. Great video.
Loved this vid. Great approach.
Love it! Keep it standard. Even my ex- Oman army 2.5 Petrol is standard and capable.
this is an awesome mini documentary ! thank you !
i have two jeep cherokee XJs, one is totally stock, the other is totally modified, they are both spectacularly fun in their own way.
i like the challenge of the driving the stock xj through really rough terrain, and i like the ease of maintaining it.
while i also love the ease of driving the modified xj through even tougher rougher terrain, and i love the challenge of building it (it has no fancy add-ons, only functional stuff).
For a self-confessed newbie to 4wd, you made some very intelligent choices. Maybe trade the vehicle, but definitely keep the girl. She’s priceless. 😎
Proper good video. Great commentary. 👍👌
Brilliant story- I totally agree. I leard to drive off road in a series 3 at 17yrs from a Ex pat in Canada. My Buddy and I even won several off road races in our 1973 series 3 against a lot of jacked up shiny throttle jockeys (as teenagers in the funny old truck) by picking good routes and letting the rover do the work
I drove a Disco 4 on an offroad course once and it was really easy. Too easy. The Defender isn't as capable but it's extra ability could come from practising my skills, which helps you not become reliant on technology. Yours is a good example of that. Thanks for the comment Mike :)
Love this video on so many levels. i've also driven all thoughout Belize, the jungle is real, lol. I'm sorry Jen, he has the LR disease, lol. I drive a Series 3 109, stock.
Very nice Video & great story.
I own a 85 Wolf ex-mod 110 Rover that I named Wylie.
all stock expect i have added:
*exmoor canvas softop
*custom Overhead Tan speakers w/dome light
*Onboard 3000Watt power converter & 110V California air compressor
*1994 defender 90 brush guard mounted on stock military bumper. ,( found on local classifieds really cheap)
*Cb radio & CD stereo
*MudUk center console w/ rocker switches & gauges
*center cubby box
* mud tires with stock Wold wheels
Other than that is the best Vehicle I have owned in my entire life..
I can see it on your channel header image. Looks good!
I always tough! never go along into the woods with 1 vehicle i was wrong you guys Handel it real good! Even with out No winch!!!!! And your girl she is a super woman!
excellent video. I have a standard Jeep Wrangler and it works fine for my needs. Some of these guys get a "little" carried away with mods. I do have aggressive tires on it but standard 17 inch.
My father loved his land rovers and never modified one yet made it through the worst terrain the west coast of Tasmania could serve up.You done well.
Sir, I honestly believe the last question you asked is the correct one. Apply your experience. However, when your experience tell you to modify think of the pro and cons. But, by far Experience over modification. Save money and get out camping. In other words, "Just do it." God Bless...
Cool story thanks for sharing 👍
Love your take on mods although I dont fully agree. Its more horses for courses and what trails and obstacles you are doing that dictate imo.
LROR totally agree only 90 km from civilisation if you have any clue u won't die. But here in Australia I'm not doing remote tracks on my own without a winch. Something to do with being thousands of km from anybody.
Land rovers have no soul! Mmmmm dunno about that. I'm lucky as I have 4 cars (classics) but my defender is the only one I talk to.
What does it say in return? :)
Usually " you broke it you fix it".
@@craig_chaznibond452 Good one...!
seems too familiar lol
A winch it is good money spend
Just went nuts rebuilding a 4.0. Disco2.
Rebuilt the motor Added about 50hp, 3" terra firma kit(all of it), bfg 33", brakes/abs, and added some bumpers/ skid plates.
I want to turbo it but I have to adapt that new BMW 8spd everyone's using in their jeeps and Ashcroft axles.
I loved this whole adventure! I subbed for sure.
Other than that I have a stock 1990 Isuzu Trooper 2 diesel that can't be stopped.
I couldn't imagine the old Rover V8 could handle a turbo for very long and soon a better alternative to rebuilding old Rover engines will be upon us. An American will soon be selling an affordable mostly bolt on kit to adapt LS V8's to Disco 1's and 2's. A standard LS' max torque is right on the limit for what Rover drivetrains can handle so there's no need for boost but everyone knows LS V8's can handle plenty of it.
JRC - 395 Its an easy swap I just budget rebuilt the motor in frame instead. New bearings and things. I only need 6-8psi to compensate the horrendous head design.
I have a mechanical built 4jg2 and tranny laying around and that would also drop right in with custom mounts and driveshafts. Just got to hit up Dakota digital for your gauge adjustments. Electrical engineering is easy.
Loved video even though Im that guy you described. Toyota 80 series 4" lift 35" tyres 3 diff locks etc etc. Only the right mind set will get you home whatever the gear you have.
Same, more gear less stuck more fun.
Great video, every real off-roader has been though a similar experience and has fallen in love more with of-road driving. I too absolutely love the look and potential of stock 4x4s, however I like my 37s and rear locker stuffed in 2000 Suburban with no lift ;-)
Interesting and informative. The Defender in stock form has been a works horse for many years and why Land Rover thought it would be a good idea to stop making it only the accountants at Tata know. Land Rovers Centre Diff Lock is the key to the vehicles success.
We currently on a Discovery IIA and it is totally stock, with the only addition of the CDL as the Traction Control system is good, but it has it's limitations. Most of the work has been on the engine and keeping on top servicing, etc.
Up against some highly modified Land Rovers and other vehicles over the years the Discovery has kept up with only the use of All Terrains and the DIIs ground clearance being an issue.
I do not intend to lift the vehicle, as choosing the right line and the ability to use not only the CDL but the TC as well means for our use the vehicle will get us where we need to go. We do have front and rear recovery points and carry recovery ropes, etc.
Fantastic video
I’d of done that in my van. 😜👍🏻
Great video Both of ya and sense of humour those 300 tdi tractors 🚜 are awsum at least you survived 👍🏻😂
Hah thanks Glenn!
Great video. Stock all the way for me.
Amazing story. Long live the defender
Great video and I echo most of the the comments below, I agree totally with the fact that the then current “ out of the box” capabilities of the Land Rover products were, are excellent with the caveat of they could be enhanced by tyre choice and added underbody protection. I really enjoyed your candid and amusing narrative, but is it me? Does that 300tdi sound like it needed a bit of tic? , ( my Froader is a 300tdi and magnificent, my overlander is a Landcruiser, fantastic but not bulletproof) best regards to all
Thanks Billy. Yeah the engine was wrecked with 160000km (100k miles). Had overheated on the highway twice in its life and wouldn't drive faster than 100km (62mph) - there was something going on inside we never got to the bottom of
i prefer to wheel stockish rigs main 2 reasons is its hard to find parts in backwater towns for liftkits and it takes away the fun and thinking ill oversize the tires by only an in. or 2 (max 3 from stock) and try to get a unit with stock limited slip diff.
my current truck is a 87 dodge dokota longbox 2wd stock lsd with 2 inch taller tires and had it in lots of crazy spots in the backcountry quad/cow paths included only had to do one recovery with a short shovel and a jack
Just to put the mileage into perspective, I have a Range Rover buggy we started racing in 1995. It’s done trials and the odd comp and maybe 30 or more winch challenge? We have had a lot of fun in it :o) In that time it has done 380 miles. It must average 1 mile per hour :P
Cool story but in the right hands the barbi cars are ok not great but ok . The biggest problem with the deefer is the rear diff now of you put a disco diff in you would not drag as much . I am a landy tragic have at present a disco 300tdi auto only auto as i have been crippled. The looks you get from the lifted and locked brigade is priceless when you drive past them and they are winching. It is more the driver knowing how to read the track and not rely on horsepower that gets you much further. The handiest thing i have found for recovery in soft conditions is a garden hoe , great reach pulls a heap of material and is easy to use . Cheers from Australia
I agree, i've seen some phenomenal driving done in pickup trucks with bald tyres..! Garden hoe is a good shout, not heard of that one.
I fitted a P38 diff to my Defender which gives a bit better ground clearance, hich was largely inspired by the events of this video - www.landroverexpedition.com/technical/replacing-a-300tdi-salisbury-axle-with-a-td5puma-110-rear-axle/
Cool story love it
Thanks Lee!
good point! I like this 4x4 philosophy
I know nothing about Land Rovers or off roading , but love your no nonsense vids 👍🏻
So a silly question, you said it was a 300tdi , but on the front wheel arch it says Td5
Are they the same thing , as I thought they were different ?? !!
I fitted a Safety Devices roll cage when I rebuilt mine because i was worried after seeing pictures of them rolled over but it adds so much weight! I am so fed up with mine because a tiny gasket has blown behind the cambelt cover and its pissing out water. Bang goes another weekend. Sometimes i want a Toyota Yaris instead but watching this video reminds me that it will never be for sale. I’m 16 years and £20k into it now.
Cages are about 100kg aren't they? P gasket by any chance?
I know the feeling when it seems like they turn against you. Maybe it's a good excuse for a rebuild...? :D
I spent between 2013 and 17 rebuilding it but when you can't afford to replace every single item it takes so long to get it reliable. Yes it is the P gasket! 10 points to you. I don't know how heavy the roll cage is but it was bloody heavy getting it off the van when it was delivered!
Good video, thank you. Tell me in 20 years if you still like digging out of the mud. I drove off road for about 25 years with no big modifications. But I'm getting old, and I really don't have the energy for digging. With some mild modifications, you can increase the capabilities of your 4x4, get over more obstacles, avoid getting stuck, and get unstuck easier. A mild lift improves your approach and departure angles. I prefer to be over prepared when in the middle of nowhere. You have a better chance of getting home. You still need some driving skill.
Steve F. Totally agree mate
those are two Mega Awesome Ladies never let either go, and teach the kids the good stuff later
My discovery 2 has only 1 mod and thats changing from air suspenzion to coils on the back, never got stuck, as you say its all down to how you drive off road, not what you drive.