DIY MOTION COMPENSATION - We got Motion Tracking working with Fixed Triple 65inch 4K Screens!
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
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Most motion simulation platforms in the consumer market can't support the weight of triple monitor setups, but when the monitors aren't moving with the platform, you end up feeling like you're floating around inside the car.
At worst, this leads to motion sickness for some people, but at best it takes away from the immersion that would otherwise be possible.
So today we are going to experiment with a TrackIR5 system to see if we can make our own DIY Motion Tracking system which compensates for the movement of the platform and provides a more immersive sim racing experience!
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#simracing #motionsim #tractionloss
BTW - If you want to see what rolling a car looks like with this system...... 17:39
Have you tried using iRFFB for more SOP?
Yep. Too much latency and instability for me.
Can we just appreciate how commited will is to making the experience the best it can be for the viewers
Thanks Dominic. :)
Meanwhile other youtubers are more focused on shoving a bazooka mic in their face or downgrading their kit because they're more focused on "content creation" or some other bollocks.
This channel keeps it about the stuff everyone is interested in and less about the creators ego. Great stuff.
Imagine going flat out in DiRT Rally 2.0 with this setup! Absolute dream rig
Lol Tom's the perfect amount of comical relief to help balance out Will's desire for control and perfection.
You have definitely created something special with this channel between the two of you.
Flipping the car was the ultimate test. It really is looking good.
The best part of your vids is the sheer joy you all have in them. The rig looks like a heck of a lot of fun!
The GoPro POV angle looks amazing! Well done boys.
I loved the view where I can actually see the dashboard. and what's in front of you. the side view is looking at your face and a door. and I'm always trying to look at the left part of the video because that's where I can't see where you're driving too.
I like the headcam more, but it's always tilted to the left because when you move your head to the left the arm on the gopro will extend the radius and it will look further to the left. maybe fiddle with a camera that's fixed and points at the main monitor? :)
Exactly, I like both, maybe have this view as a little video at the corner and have a view of the game as the main or the other way around, I want to see what's actually happening in the race
this channel and let's GO RACE is my fav racing sim youtube channel
you guys are so fun to watch. your definitely on to something with the IR tracking. That crash was actually convincing. Happy new year guys! Can't wait for the evolution of the rig in the coming year!
Got myself a trackir5, this gadget is absolutely phenomenal.
Wow thanks guys, I didn’t know this was possible. I have been holding off on a full motion rig with traction loss for the same reason. I always thought is was weird that your rig would move but your dash and car stayed stationary on screen. I’m going to look into this. Keep the good content coming!
Firstly... Wow, this is amazing! With the Bezel free thing you’re looking into and more upgrades I’m sure you have planned I can’t want to see this progress even more, it looks amazing from our view for me atleast although seeing the dash move away from the wheel is a bit noticeable from time to time but I can get over it, and lastly today’s joke wasn’t the best, I’ll plan a good one for the next video
Awesome use of a track ir!! Your rig came together incredibly!
the over the shoulder cam deffo looks really good, I can tell you are moving in the rig because of the screen bezel is moving if I let my eyes watch them, but if I watch the track framed by the roll cage with your shoulder in shot then it certainly looks as if you are one with the car, quite an achievement considering the screens are stationary. Well done
Yep the over the shoulder cam lets you see whats going on, on the track. The other view just seems wrong/boring to me.
Yeah that’s more just for intros and outgrow and talking bits. Not used for racing footage much.
I've used track IR for about 7 years, love it
Thank you very much for doing this much for viewers.
Loved it
Build just keeps getting better mate. Hope you and all family have great new year
That's looking fantastic right now, congratulations on your great work!
what an epic setup and the creativity that goes into it, respect
This is awesome Will! Taking sim content to the next level!
Nice to see your Brorher Will. Tom 🤘 Very fun stream and the end result was very nice 👍
I really appreciate what Will does and the things he thinks of for the best viewing experience all around for both him and the viewers. An amazing job Will, keep up the great work!
Thanks very much mate. That means a lot ❤️
@@boostedmedia loved the flipping of the car as well and the absolute terror and being like, oh god, oh F**K! I really love the Genuity of your content and your passion for sim racing.
Was writing my comment as I was watching your vid, and just heard you mentioning you gonna tackle this problem for VR as well, can’t wait, thanks
I have it in VR with a V3 + Traction Plus. It works totally flawlessly with the integrated compensation tool and it's simply jaw dropping.
Yup feels like we are sliding around with you Will
Wow. You guys are finding ways to make things "more realistic" I would have NEVER considered, let alone been too confused to implement. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the tracking settings, why inverted works, etc. ;) That said, what amazing stuff. I'm no idiot, and it's all VERY interesting. Having heard about the motion platforms, but not really understanding how they all worked until seeing your videos... it really is "a whole new world". ;)
Thanks a lot mate. We’re learning as we go too. :) Glad you’re enjoying following along.
Great video you guys! Love that roll on 17:39. I was laughing so hard even my wife questioned what I had just seen (I rarely laugh that hard..) LOL......
Took the mrs a good minute before she even realised it was a screen. Unreal man, enjoy.
I love how when you upshift the camara shakes also are they new camaras because it looks much higher quality
That, is a very clever use of the trackir man.
Loving the progress guys.
Will probably never have a setup like this but these videos have been great!
Hello, great vid as usual. I think it would really be interesting if you could show us how to setup motion compensation for VR using the Reverb G2 which I know is needed the same way screen needs it. I know it might not be as relevant for us watching you drive with your screens, but it would be really helpful for us using VR (HP Reverb G2, inside out tracking) and some sort of motion platform. In my case, I have the G2 in combo with D-Box actuators. I am currently inquiring about this problem as well on my side.
Thanks for your always amazing and very professional content.
Why don't you attach your controller to the rig? It will eliminate the movements which are independent of the platform.
@@JanosZsinor A bit too simplistic of an answer, I think there is a lot more to it than simply attaching the controller to the rig...Please expand if you know about the full setup, thanks
Very well setup Will. could hardly notice all of it was moving, wasn’t until I really looked at the door pillars I could see it move
That looks incredible! Definitely a dream rig 👍
Tripple screens are in my eyes the most immersive. They got to be big enough to 'immersh' your full eye view tho.
Seems like you nailed everything here.
The gopro view was amazing to watch.
Im using TrackIR for years and love it. Have also Tobi5, but does not work with racing games. VR is still the best. 😎👋🇨🇭
Fixed rig cam definitely works as us as viewers shouldn't see much movement. However I actually prefer the headcam view so I can "experience" what you're experiencing. Great job putting it all together though, definitely a dream rig!
Yeah we’ll definitely use the head cam view for the majority of driving footage. Probably with the side cam down in the corner
You setup everything great, you have a good co-driver
You can see the car dash at the bottom of the middle screen by your feet. Just below your steering wheel mount. Not sure if you notice later in vid but that needs to be removed or covered up. It’s visible from the mounted camera on rig. Other wise looks quite good.
The upgrades are coming so fast to the rig
Looks so funny with your bro in the car pmsl 🤣
Haha!! “Nobody likes the tuner here”
Really cool. Once you had the camera mounted on the rig it was hard to see any motion at all. Nice job syncing it up with the traction platform.
Dude this is actually very clever! Have thought bout a similar soloution but wasnt sure
lol
I decided to run alongside my mates car, when I was in front it was Tyring and when I fell back behind the car it was just Exhausting
"or like a non-linear response"....It's like I'm watching star trek with the script that says [insert scientific term here]. I've said it once but I'll say it again, you are damn good at what you do. 1000 IQ racing rig gentlemen!
you guys are so brave tweaking this setup on a rally course lol. I would have blown chunks 2 minutes in lol
Haha I was pretty close a few times.
@@boostedmedia Also watching from my end I didn't really notice the size proportion of you and the right monitor changing as the rig slid side to side. Everything looked good from this end! I think I only noticed it slightly after he mentioned it but not at all before.
That roll was crazy to watch... can't imagine what you were feeling.
I expected him to throw up 😂
Looks phenomenal. I think you nailed it! The only thing that stands out for me is that bit of screen that can be seen under the wheel mount bar, it's kinda distracting. That and the Omen logo on the bezel.
17:32
Engineer: My sort of benchmark's been looking at this bit of profile sticking out here...
Driver: (looking away from the track to the right where the piece of profile is) Yeah
Engineer: ...and seeing how it's matching the cockpit of the car.
Driver: mmm... yep... Wow!!!! aarrrrggg! ooohhh shit! xD (Car doing four lateral rolls while both are having a blast out of it).
Simple priceless, guys... That part alone is worth watching. 🦽💨
Interesting video that highlights adding more and more tech brings more and more challenges or issues to overcome.
Now, the question is how does the motion feel in VR in comparison to all this hassle triples and motion tracking brings?
This is a brilliant idea!
It looks like you needed to invert the X axis just like the Yaw axis, since its moving the perspective with the platform relative to the screens rather than cancelling out the platform movement relative to the screens. Acting like additive movement on screen rather than subtractive if ya get what I mean... bit hard to explain! Btw I finally bit the bullet on a Platform V3 thanks to your videos and have been having a blast in VR over christmas with it!
Man, I would love to see a Dirt Rally 2.0 video on this setup. Looks great!
We’ll give it a go. It’s a shame it doesn’t have proper triple screen support though so the FOV can’t be set correctly. Same deal with WRC9.
Correct
These are great videos and I appreciate all the work you are putting into this! Part of the issue of the movement mismatch is that the head tracker is positioned behind where your in-game camera is located. I would suggest adjusting your seat position in Iracing to put the virtual camera close to the real life TrackIR position. That will make your TrackIR camera rotations pivot the in-game camera where it needs to instead of behind where you are viewing from. You will need to adjust your studio camera to compensate for the perspective change but it should be worth it. My other area of concern with your method is you are stacking up the latency from the motion platform on top of the TrackIR latency. While both are relatively low latency, added together they do introduce enough to reduce your immersion. Keep at it!
Ahh yes of course! We didn’t think of that. Thanks! We’ll give it a try :)
I think the fixed camera to the rig was the best way to calibrate this! When nothing feels like it moves its perfect and the only thing we should be seeing moving is the screen bezel
With that said I liked the camera on the floor so we could see all the craziness 😅
Good effort guys. You are first movers in this. 💪
As a trackir user myself, I’m actually surprised you made it work :)
I would suggest more B roll of the whole rig moving about. All the wonderful traction loss is difficult to see from the cam mounted to the rig.
The camera fixed to the ground is waaaaay better. You can see the platform en visuals moving together. Which is, I think, way cooler to watch!
Setup goals gahdayum
I like this kind of unscripted video. Just two guys sitting there and try to implement new stuff :)
So who won the Feats of Strength at Festivus
Side camera view was much better in latter half of video after you changed cars with the cars interior and onscreen outside view and with it not looking like you spinning inside the cabin . Much better !
You could shoot The Mandalorian in Will’s sim room
Attach the screens to a roller system attached to the front of the front of the traction platform. You will have a lot of fun with this rig. I have had mine since late February. Try lots of different settings it will take some time. When driving formula cars in vr the reverb cannot compensate fast enough this still needs work on the traction plus. Motion compensation needs more software changes.
I actually did think about doing that. Not enough space where we are now unfortunately, and probably still too much offset weight for the system. But would certainly be a fun and interesting experiment.
It looks fantastic!
damn, sooo crazy, felt like you where rolling there...
This setup with a Pimax would be AWESOME!
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@@boostedmedia oh....
Looking much better than I thought it would, good work will/Tom.
Would the trackir have an easier time if it was fitted on the new (side) camera profile, the camera could be mounted under the left monitor so it's aligned. Whilst not obvious in the video I would guess the seat mover moving the trackir led's around is causing some of the movement(like the jump to light speed early in the video when you had Y enabled)
First, absolutly one hell of a setup, what an dream rig. Really cool, and thanks for all the great content you put out.
One question or more some thoughts around my own setup...
I have limited space for my rig. Only using one single 27" screen ATM. Probably gonna get a bigger screen soon but not sure how big, dont think i can fit much bigger the 49"
How would a head tracking work on smaller single screen, is it worth it?
Don't feel like VR is ab option, want to see the wheel and my hands.
If space is an issue I’d definitely recommend at least trying Vr before investing in a bigger screen. You might love it. If you’re going to go with a single screen then really it comes down the the biggest one you can fit practically. Head tracking does work quite well for smaller screens when set up right. Eye tracking is an option too.
Hello. In AC The best way to compensate for the movement of the chair is to use the Real Head Motion plugin. For the other simulators such as ACC they already have the movement incorporated.
Well I’m no longer seeing movement on screen independent of the platform movement thanks to the new camera mount so it looks good, plus the few vibrations that make it through I think add an immersive touch 😉
Thanks Daniel. Still some fine tuning to do but I felt like we achieved quite a bit in this video.
This is cool but I feel a software solution that just took the angle from the traction loss software and fed it to the viewport software might be more simple and have less latency
I totally agree. I really hope they add a software solution. I think what you see as latency here in the finished result is more just a slight mismatch in the adjustment. Still some fine tuning to do yet to get it perfect.
24:10 It looks like the yaw effect is a bit too much but the latency and directions of the movement seems to be surprisingly good. I would have assumed that correct mapping would have looked like a very wide V with sides of V straight lines (instead of default curves + dead zone) and the middle at the origin.
The close the camera is your head, the more realistic the movement looks. I think that if you want to priorize the view that camera can see, you should put the trackir stuff as close to the camera as possible. That way the rig movement is corrected for the camera view.
And I think you should enable tracking all dimensions and just keep adjusting the mapping until it looks good.
The right side camera looks best to me. I'd say more of it should be on screen (nothing wrong with how you look Will :D).
I still think your brake pedal setup is too hard for you. You'll never be consistent with braking PCup in corners when you need so much force from whole body to press it.
I just had to switch back to the ultimates and haven’t done tuned them yet. Will experiment with softer adjustment. Thanks :). And yes, the right side view is what we’ll be using primarily for racing content.
i would leave all axis on and adjust the curves i have had ir5 for almost 10 years and fine tuning is the key
Doesn’t seem to work well like that for motion. As I’m physically moving relative to the screen no additional movement is necessary to add that element. Plus it looks weird on camera to have the cars cabin moving differently to me in the cabin.
If we add surge and heave to the system then absolutely.
a chin mounted camera perspective would look really good on camera
Happy festivus!
The POV looks amazing. Definitely less is more. It looks like VR 2.0
Couldn't help but notice you're back with the HE Ultimates there, you prefer those? Or is it more difficult to set up full motion with the Racewerk pedals? Either way, awesome video can't wait to see further where this goes (:
The hydro pedals ceased again so we had to switch back to the ultimates for now while we wait for a solution from Racewerk. Once we have it figured out I’ll do a follow up video.
huh, so 2020 wasn't a complete bust. real nice content about a real nice rig. while on the rally cross course, would have liked to see more of the main camera angle through the corners as that is where TrackIR really shines. but the camera kept cutting away to the left side angle view. anyways, hope you and yours have a happy new year, and am looking forward to seeing more from down under.
Yep. Don’t worry. We’ll be using the other camera primarily for any proper driving content.
The end result looks a lot better., the only thing I think would be better is the GoPro on top of head or hat peak than to one side ,
We experimented with that but it was too high up snd ruined the immersion. Will keep trying to optimise the GoPro angle though. :)
@@boostedmedia great job on trying to make it the best for your viewers , one of my channels to watch 👍👍👍
I just say it looks like it's reacting slower to the input of the steering wheel. Like a few milliseconds off. Like you turn in wait then the body turns in. So when you drift if looks little off but also seems off for apexing
This is really interesting. I love my Pimax and I just got my motion compensation setup properly on my new SFX-100. It's a phenomenal experience and I'm having a great time but I use TrackIR for a lot of games that don't have VR and I love it for years. I even use it in FPS games for lean left/right! I do sometimes have friends over and we all have sim'd for years and as great as VR is - it can be a bit of a pain and it totally takes you out of the room. I was wondering if there was a motion compensation possible on flat panel using TrackIR & here it is!
I've only used TrackIR with a single superwide before I got the motion platform, but found it really nicely bridged the gap for mechanical advantage and even a little depth perception; obviously you aren't getting visuals in stereo but you can still peer around A pillars, etc. Track IR hands you back some of that physicality in the game world, without cutting you off from the real one.
I do feel like it probably gives much bigger gains on a single panel than triples?
I love my trackir5
Looks pretty good. Although frankly I think the camera looked like a more realistic "on-board" with the flimsier mount. No on-board cam is as stable as this one is. Not sure if that's better or worse (maybe it gets annoying af after a while) but to me it was more realistic. Rest looks pretty good.
I really like the videos but I like the rear camera where you can see where you are going.
Yep that’s the view we’ll use primarily for driving videos.
looks 99.9% right.... But I was expecting you to come back to a "flat" line at 1 for Yaw, X and Y.... maybe there is a 'multiplier' in the fact that the TrackClipPro is positioned a distance behind Will's eyes ??
Hey Will, I'm not sure if you can look at this video and edit the movement of the screen to line up exactly with the cockpit so it actually looks like your dash isnt moving at all. Basically your note at 23:50. You may be able to fix that with like 2 camera views, maybe one behind you? Or a gopro like Davecam does sometimes? not sure
Looks like your shoulder cam later in the video was doing it for me, and honestly the porsche looked way better to me than the rally car
Yeah I think there’s always going to be a bit of mismatch, but it’s o oh really noticeable with the side view camera, which in normal videos won’t be used much when the car is in motion anyway. Most of our racing content will be done with a fixed over shoulder view or POV head mounted like in this video.
31:00 The final result looks nice! I think you should work a bit on the lighting of your setup. From this video it seems that the lights you need to have nice exposure of your face cause reflections from the screen causing the screens to have washed out look. Perhaps try having the lights from the direction of the screens more so that you have less light falloff towards the screens?
I'd like to watch more that gopro view, perhaps with software stabilization to make the final video look less bouncy but still have at least some of the movement in the final video.
I think the correct approach to tnuning this would be to turn the motion platform off and moving it manually to the extremes, setting the value in the curve and then adding some points in between. After that you can do the dynamic test for setting the dampening and speed factors
I prefer the gopro view much over the side one bc you can actually see where you’re going. Maybe consider installing a wider angle objective on the side cam or even a wider format. Most of the smartphones today have a wider frame than 16:9 anyway.
I'm sure dirt rally would be quite an experience in this.
Did I miss the airing of grievances?
You can more easily spot the imperfections of the calibration after mounting the camera onto the rig. Before that, things looked pretty flush to my eyes
if there was a way to "hide" the frames of the screens, this would probably be the best setup ever! I mean, probably is already, but that would make it GOD TIER xD
Done ;) Chexk out our latest community post :)
Quality content as always!
hey Will, amazing video here. Looks like you have might some flex on the pole that holds the track IR. Have you considered mounting it on a extrusion connected to the back of the frame of the P1x? that way you will be truly compensating for the x and k axis. In this case the trackir is moving also in the x and k axis when the seat [nlr platform ]is moving.
Yep we will definitely that pole with something more sturdy now we know the proof of concept works.
Did you adjust the height of the screens once your rig was raised? If not -- do you think the new screen height is better or worse for your personal immersion? I'm thinking that you have wasted screen real estate for the front screen since the bottom of the screen is blocked by wheel and wheel mount etc, (but the side screens aren't affected as much). I'm wondering if losing screen at the top of your vision is worse in this case.
We set the screens up originally at the height we thought we would want one traction was added and I’m happy with it. It gives a great sense of sitting in the car, especially with open wheelers.
Waiting on g923 through best buy. got it for price of g29 so...yeah my last wheel was a serial "game port" wheel from the 90's with no feedback. hope to build up to similar to what ya got and pass along the g923.