Nightwish - The Greatest Show on Earth (live Tampere) - Married Historians React
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Forget "the path". There's no one single right way to enjoy Nightwish, even though hardcore fans, i.e. The Army tries to convince to you. Just pick the order you choose and go nuts!
Of course pick what want, but it’s tough to fully appreciate songs like Poet and the Pendulum without the proper context
Just dig in the rabbit hole. Nothing more and nothing less though Storytime is a nice start. I started with Alpenglow wich is good too. But just go what feels good. Rock on!
Yes, Absolutely. An important point many die-hard fans forget: Everybodies taste in music is different. Everybodies. Even when two people align 99%, there's usually at least 1% (ot 0.1%) where they don't agree. Not everybody is required to like the same stuff you do :) Sometimes it makes sense to get introduced to certain things in a certain order for different purposes. Chronologically of course would let you experience the actual growth and change of the band as a whole. Though others may group stuff what fits together musically or stylistically. Others may exlude certain pieces completely because they didn't like xyz (the singer, the melody, the background, the hype, *insert reason here*).
So as you said, there's no right or wrong way. You listen to something, you like it or not, decide if you want to continue or not and then pick what may tickle you next :) Of course one can use suggestions or polls to make the decision, but don't just try to follow the "command" by self-entitled experts.
I''m happy they choose the tampere version. The community is kinda split in half which version is "the best". For me this version has clearer lyrics, the flute --> ullean pipe progression fits better in my opinion and the fireworks is awesome. There are many reasons to watch the wembley version as well. Especially the guitar fanatics go crazy about the use of the e-bow and my personal highlight would be Richard Dawkins coming on stage at the end. Some say that the intro in the tampere version is too long. However I think it fits the theme just perfectly to convey the vast timescales. In the Wembley version the intro is shorter which may please those with ADHD that can't stand the suspense :) (That should not be a blame or shame on those with ADHD. People are different, deal with it).
"Ah, Tampere Tampere, the Cradle of the Evolution". Haha, so true.
The whole Evolution in one song! No other than Nightwish can and want to do this. Greetings from the freezing Finland! ⛄👍
I think he says cradle of civilization.
@@KristiinaBerg Yes, he did say it before the "My Walden". I just modified it here. Silly, maybe?
The title of the issue is taken from a 2009 book by evolutionary biologist and atheist writer Richard Dawkins, about the evidence for biological evolution. Dawkins also contributes to the album. Holopainen explained to HMV in March 2015: "I wrote him a letter a little over a year ago and explained what ideas we had for this album, mainly about evolution. Since one of the songs goes straight to one of his books, it felt like a perfect match to try and recite him on the album. A few weeks later, he sent me an email accepting the invitation."
"Later in 2014, we recorded his parts at Hats Off Studios, Oxford. This is a huge honour for us, as Dawkins is one of our greatest heroes and his writings have been a huge inspiration for the album."
Yes, you are so right. Greetings friend from nothern Germany 🤘🤘🤘
The melody she got stuck on was "Bach". I still want to hear the first written version of this song. Tuomas once said it was around 90 min long.... LOL
the first tune in background on harpsichord is often wrongly attributed the Bach but is almost universally now attributed to Christian Petzold. The band then comes in with Bach, Toccata & Fugue in D Minor ... with an embellishment of Metallica, Enter Sandman of course
Since you were complaining about the subtitles I don't understand why you didn't use the Tempere version with English subtitles, I even belivere there is more than one of those 😂
As a Brazilian, the Portuguese subtitles caught me off guard. lol
Floor is dressed as the mother goddess Gaia, wearing a dress in the colors of the Finnish flag with strings of dna on it. And coincidence or not, Little Lucy of the Afar is an important accent in this song, and Floor’s recently born daughter was named Lucy😮
r could be the supposedly oldest human form ever found. in south africa. since was female named lucy. since a historical song of life. everybodies interpretation to music is personal
Technically she is from the Netherlands the band was formed in Kitee Finland. Her first daughter Freja also has Scandinavian meaning as well.
@@richardmead5969 Afar is the region in Ethiopia where Lucy was found🤓
The stand is Groot, Tuomas is a big Disney fan 😄
The melody you were stuck on (mentioned at ~35:10) is "Notebooks for Anna Magdalena (Bach): Menuet in G Minor, BWV Anh. 114 "
Here's one you'll both love. It's the disc 2 from the Human Nature Album. There's a lovely Video with this song on You Tube that shows all these lovely parts of the world and nature. All this with Nightwish music playing to each scene and finishes with Floor singing. It's called: All the works of Nature that adorn the world.
I concur
I concur
Yea, honestly, that's my favorite part of the human nature album. The rest wasn't the greatest. Doesn't come close to Imaginaerum
THE TAPESTRY OF CHEMISTRY:
The periodic table of the chemical elements.
based on "4.6" i think it is the forming of earth, and the many orchestral punches are the period called "big bombardment" ... that´s just my take on it
Nice, thoughtful breakdown and analysis of this masterpiece. Thank you.
Small info: Richard Dawkins will never be a Sir "Controversial people don’t get knighthoods. Dawkins is purposely adversarial toward fundamental religion".
Ya get Sir Roger Moore (one of OO7's agent)
Luca, ok but you passed the "Goldie Lock Zone" your again, LOL
Emppu, hobit was the second Judo in Europen Championship - and here titles cannot be bought...
you can gauge how good a Nightwish show was by Tuomas's reaction as he takes his hands off the keys for the last time
Thank you for making me feel like I have friends I can watch this incredible masterpiece with. ❤ (and greetings from Finland :))
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
🤩👍💥💯🎼
*OPUS PERFECTUM*
🤘😎 🇫🇮 💙
here's your history and lyrics, if you missed any of it:
"Archaean horizon, The first sunrise"
Earth's history is divided into four principal Eons: the Hadean, the Archean, Proterozoic, and the Phanerozoic. The Hadean is the Eon during which the Earth and Moon formed; in the Archaean, primordial life appeared.
"On a pristine gaea"
Gaia is the primordial Greek goddess of the Earth. More recently, the Gaia hypothesis is a recognition of the living and nonliving Earth systems which form an interdependent whole.
"Opus perfectum, Somewhere there, us sleeping" Pristine perfection (of silence, of a blank page, of the very point from which the big bang itself sprung) implies a rich creative potential. Here Earth is painted in the same powerful way. Diversity awaits; unborn beings are sleeping the same sleep to which they will return at death. This interpretation is thematically linked with the album's opening track, "Shudder before the Beautiful," which includes the lyrics, "The music of this awe, Deep silence between the notes, Deafens me with endless love." Or as the furious hobbit screamed at the novice trumpeter, "An artist respects the silence, it serves as the foundation of creativity."
[Part 2: Life]
"The cosmic law of gravity Pulled the newborns around a fire, A careless cold infinity in every vast direction. Lonely farer in the Goldilocks zone"
Gravity pulls the Earth and its inhabitants around the energizing Sun in an otherwise inhospitable universe. Earth is the only planet in our solar system's circumstellar habitable zone, orbiting at the "just right, not too hot, not too cold" distance from the Sun.
"She has a tale to tell, From the stellar nursery into a carbon feast, Enter LUCA"
In astronomy, stellar nurseries are the birthplaces of stars: they nurse stars. Poetically, our solar system is another "stellar nursery," in which a star is the nurse, caring for and warming a planet of 'newborns,' early carbon-based life. "Feast" evokes the incorporation of plentiful chemical building blocks into rudimentary life forms. "LUCA" stands for "Last universal common ancestor," the one single organism from which all other presently existing life on Earth descended.
"The tapestry of chemistry is a writing in the garden, Leading us to the mother of all"
The periodic table of elements does look like a sort of patchwork tapestry, but this can go further. The historical function of tapestries was as "nomadic murals," pictographical histories which moving people could pack up and revisit wherever they went. The "writing in the garden," in nature, is not only the stone murals left by dead animals in the form of fossils, but is also this chemical writing that encodes the relatively nomadic DNA molecule with the instructions for life. The scientific investigation of this information leads us back to LUCA, and further.
"We are one, We are a universe,"
This is the natural conclusion to draw from the fact that life shares common origin, that all life is built with the same blocks, and that all life on Earth is interdependent (gaia hypothesis). The multiplicity of beings on Earth are one, just as the cells in a body are one.
"Forebears of what will be Scions of the Devonian sea."
The Devonian geologic time period marked the first significant, rapid diversification of life (and the more well-known Cambrian explosion is another of these 'adaptive radiation' events). It was during the Devonian that the 'higher plants' appeared and blanketed the continents with forests. The word "scion" refers to a shoot of a plant cut for grafting, and is also used to denote a descendent of a notable family. Both meanings apply.
"Aeons pass, Writing the tale of us all. A day-to-day new opening For the greatest show on Earth"
Evolutionary adaptation is written in the DNA and as fossils in the rocks, and is ongoing. Species die, diversifiy and delineate. Every day is different, every day something changes.
"Ion channels welcoming the outside world To the stuff of stars"
Ion channels are found in the membranes of all cells, controlling the flow of energy through the cells. The stuff of stars is all the physical matter we're made of. So it's the ion channels, guiding enery, which allow living bodies to interact with the rest of the world by exchanging energy with it. "Stuff of stars" is surely a Sagan reference: "The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff."
"Bedding the tree of a biological holy, Enter life"
The bed of a tree is the nutrient-rich soil from which it grows, a soil made of dead things. The "tree of a biological holy" is probably the tree of life. This line refers to the "holy" legendary tree of everlasting life but also means the conceptual, branching family tree of all life, whose bed consists of all deceased beings (in a more literal sense), or all extinct ancestral species (in a more abstract sense). This is thematically linked with the song "Alpenglow."
"We are here to care for the garden, The wonder of birth Of every form most beautiful"
"We" could be human beings tasked with acting as nature's stewards, garden of eden style, but that's not chronological -- human beings haven't quite appeared in the song yet. "We" could instead be all of life itself, in a gaia-philosophy sense, which posits that life creates environments ever more hospitable to more life. Or maybe it's a combination of these two thoughts: life eventually creates an environment suitable for the development of consiously acting, thinking human stewards.
[Part 3: The Toolmaker]
"After a billion years, The show is still here. Not a single one of your fathers died young."
Every single one of a given person's ancestors, male and female, lived past puberty at least. But "fathers" evokes "forefathers," which has a nicer storytelling ring to it than "parents."
"The handy travelers Out of Africa Little Lucy of the Afar"
Handymen are good with tools; travelers posessing hands rather than forefeet walk upright. Hominids originated in Africa and spread to the rest of the world from there. Lucy is a particular specimen of the Australopithecus, one of many "missing links" between modern humans and nonhuman ancestors.
"Gave birth to fantasy, To idolatry, To self-destructive weaponry. Enter the God of gaps Deep within the past. Atavistic dread of the hunted!"
The brain grows, consciousness and creativity along with it. Atavism is the tendency to revert to ancestral type, an evolutionary throwback. Fight-or-flight instincts that helped human ancestors survive have now been creatively projected onto the world to both explain it (origins, meaning, suffering) and gain security in it (bargaining through sacrifice). These are the roots of theism.
"Enter Ionia, the cradle of thought, The architecture of understanding. The human lust to feel so exceptional, To rule the Earth"
Nomadic people develop agriculture and settle down into civilizations. The word "architecture" is at once both literal and figurative. The efficiency of civilization graces people with free time to do more than just feed themselves. They develop rich cultural traditions, arts and philosophies, much of which are deeply influenced by how different humans now are from all the rest of life.
"Hunger for shiny rocks, For giant mushroom clouds, The will to do as you'd be done by."
Shiny rocks are wealth: gold, precious stones, jewels, and later uranium which leads to the nuclear arms race. The golden rule -- "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" -- is a coin with a dark side: "an eye for an eye," revenge. This ensures the "MAD"ness of mutually assured destruction.
"Enter history, the grand finale. Enter ratkind."
"Ratkind" comes from Richard Dawkins' book "The Ancestor's Tale." Dawkins imagines a post-apocalyptic world in which rodents feast on the remnants of humanity (and humanity's garbage). The rat population explodes, and then as they exhaust these resources they turn on one another for food. As a consequence of natural selection, the rats diverge into new carnivorous and herbivorous species, and perhaps, eventually, a specices of rodent whose intelligence rivals that of humans. This is "ratkind."
"Man, he took his time in the sun, Had a dream to understand A single grain of sand."
From William Blake: "To see a World in a Grain of Sand, And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour." ...And the story of the planet in 24 minutes. Not bad.
"He gave birth to poetry, But one day'll cease to be. Greet the last light of the library"
A bittersweet redundancy: poetry with library, the last light with ceasing to be. Reminiscent of Elan: "Be the first to greet the morn [...] Travel with great élan, dance a jig at the funeral."
A few notes: 5.4 is from 5.4 billion years the earth has been around. Drunk history man, you know your stuff on this song mostly. Its your fault for the subtitles, it says right there in the title it's Portuguese subtitles lol. Hopefully you find something interesting in this comment + all the lyrics.
Edit: the timeline you're talking about is Gregorian chant -> harpischord (Bach) -> Mozart -> explosion -> Enter Sandman -> EDM
Thank you very much. I figured out most, but also missed a lot. I was wondering if someone would write this stuff. Nice that someone replied more about the evolution of music as well.
Great choice buddies 💙
Yeah. I always interpreted the bangs as the great bombardement, when the planets where shaped to get their definitive form, but evolution starts after 'A lonely farer in the goldilocks zone'. And yes, it's actually an image of Groot. :D
One has to be either a musician or very, very learned in music to identify all the musical quotes in this song.
Right before the Bach piece that you recognized, over Tuomas' piano part you hear a short melody on a woodwind instrument. That's the beginning of the medieval Gregorian Dies Irae chant.
Then the Bach piece comes.
When the full band comes back the keyboard plays another quote by Bach, the theme of the fugue from the Toccata and Fugue in d minor BWV 565.
Then you hear the Metallica riff and right at the end of it an EDM beat.
In my opinon Emppu is the soul of Nightwish. Tuomas, the genius, Floor the VALKYRIE. But we need all. The new Album 2024. I waint 🤗🤘🤘
Forget, what you hear in the interlude to the end Pergolosi(not shure), Bach and Metallica
This keyboard position you are looking at is not made for this song, but symbolic for the theme of another song by Nightwish: "The Poet and the Pendulum" which they also play at this concert. It is Tuomas as figurehead of the Nightwish ship, as frontman, figuratively beheaded and nailed to the cross by the Tarja fans after her expulsion in 2005. After her expulsion, horrible things were thrown at him, which is very evident in this song. is visualized plastically by Marko.
I'm pretty sure the keyboard stand is The Vehicle os Spirit, the name of the tour.
Okay, I'm still laughing at the whole meme discussion 😂😂😂
the part you couldnt remember the name of is the tool maker
I think it is a representation of Groot being sacrificed for humanities need for wood. Save our forests.
Not sure if i was watching a reaction video or just accidentally tuned intto a couple having a night in wuth a few drinks! Great entertainment either way. 😁👍
Awww!! Best comment ever!
Speaking of a few drinks, where can I get that awesome wine glass 😄
@@BOOMBiggityBam the pet store in the fish bowl section!
The space bar does work - if you start the video with the mouse click in the middle of the displayed video. If you start the video in another way, you have to use the shortcut key - this has always been the case. However, as people start doing reactions, they change how they start videos (often clicking on a record button for video capture which is not on the video). If you click outside the video, the space bar will stop working and you will have to use the shortcut key.
The beginning section is called “4.6” so it’s definitely the formation of Earth no the Big Bang (which would be 13.8 presumably).
Firing off confetti is expensive for the band - they have to pick up any left-over confetti. You also cannot fire off fire off fireworks over a crowd. Floor's parents were in the audience. Not all countries use names like Bob.
18:45 LUCA is the *last* common ancestor meaning that probably long time before LUCA was FUCA which was the first living thing with RNA or DNA on this planet. We have no idea about its actual features but we can tell for sure that all the living things found this far originate from LUCA.
And the LUCA or even FUCA hasn't yet appeared at this point of the song. Wait for the part where Floor sings "enter life" for FUCA.
You got it all. Last light of the library.
Alexdria.
How much one can just kunnioittaa (translate)
Luca, last universal commun ancester. Lucy, the oldest human rest finded. The paleontologist who finded this was listening Lucy in the sky with diamonds. Bach's Opsicord, and Metallica's Enter Sandman
Emppu Vuorinen was born June 24, 1978.
You missed out on Lucy from afar, and Beethoven but you nailed Metallica otherwise great reaction
Greetings from Sweden
Don't forget the two pieces of Bach.
The text in the end is from a book of Dawkins, not Darwin. Nightwish is a Finnish band, yes. But Floor Jansen (Yansen) is Dutch and not Finnish, just like Troy Donnockly is not Finnish but English. Just a bit of info.
Well, part of your info is false. 2/3rds of it is Dawkins, but the very last quote, "there is grandeur.....have been, and are being...evolved". are the final words written in Darwins "origin of species". I'm literally looking at my copy right now, just to be sure.
Then I made a mistake. Because I have seen Dawkins saying it out loud in the Wembley performance. At thecend of thr song, so I assumed it was fa quote from his book. When ypubare right you ate right. 👍
All good brother! You definitely made me second guess.
That's interesting about the idea of returning to a Dark Age. I'm not sure if we will given how ubiqutous technology is, even if there were a catastophe on one continent it would require a truly global event to trigger that. On the other hand, we are so connected now that something could spread easily. A recent situation is an obvious example lol.
Have watched both Tampere and Wembley and prefer Wembley for many reasons. I love the whole Wembley show which includes the big three, Ghost Love Score, The Poet and the Pendulum and The Greatest Show on Earth. I love Tuomas's reaction at the end of the music part. I love Floor's performance and outfit. Love Troy's use of the ebow early in the show vs whistle at Tampere. More animal sounds as they transitioned into The Toolmaker. The audience reactions especially during Richard Dawkins' speaking live the final paragraph of the Origin of Species at the very end. That said, loved your reaction. There is so much more - Poet and the Pendulum and Song of Myself are a couple of my other favorites. English subtitles would have been nice...
The only thing better in the Wembley version is Floors outfit .....I prefer Troy's whistle over the use of the E Bow and Marcos and Floors vocals are better in this one .
Yea true. Wasn't a big fan of the E bow. He also had way too much screen time IMO.
I just wish Dawkins appeared in this version. It would have been perfect!
@@BOOMBiggityBam I fully agree on this. Fireworks is one big plus for Tampere and I like the long stage walk at the end. If Dawkins was in this one, it would be close to perdect.
Funny that this song has taught probably more about evolution than school did :) Well, school was so long ago that don't remember that much anymore. Intersting to search for those meanings and the whole song opens up differently when you actually know what the song means and what is happening.
We are here to care for the garden
Troy also sings.
UA-cam spacebar not working for pause is a recent problem. I think it's some kind of focus handling bug in UA-cam's JavaScript code and the best workaround I know is using the letter K in the keyboard, which seems to toggle pause even when spacebar fails.
Awesome! Thanks
Maybe it's not quite finished but atleast he's Finnish 👏
Tuomas is a huge Disney fan. He used to have a Jack Sparrow doll on the stand. This is Groot. No big deal.
Atlas is the Titan condemned to hold up the sky and the heavens, not the world. Most people have seen the painting and get confused because of how we use his name today as a word for map.
The other one is at Wembley with Richard Dawkins appearing live on stage at the end quoting from Charles Darwin and Troy playing guitar with E-bow to create the cello sound not the low whistle as here but it lacks fireworks but at least the subtitles are in English !! LOL
A Tuomas masterpiece!🎸🤘
We were here.... We existed. We got to experience life.
What Dawkins meant by potetntial is that every sperm and egg is a potential person.
the other performance was Wembley Arena in London
I like both the Tampere and Wembley Arena versions.
I think it's a celebration of man and what we've achieved in small time on a planet we got to see and live on.
Are you being sarcastic? :) Greedy humans after shiny things like diamonds and gold and atom bombs with mushroom clouds and desire to rule the Earth regardless what happens to the Earth itself and human race.
There is so much potential of doing good, but instead of good human race is for materials and war.
I wouldn't call that a celebration. This is how I see and hear this song, or work of art.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 The song is called "The greatest show on earth "not a nightmare or a disaster on earth.
We assume that Alexandria had incredible information. However... since nobody actually knows what we lost, it could be useless things like recipes for spider stew. We don't really know.
yes we also listenr bach
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Astronomi the science, Astrology the scam
Only one glass of wine per day 😉
Not a bottle?
No discussion here. This is a lots of page book in musical greatness here. point made!
Uranium is shiny.
Floor in her DNA double helix dress and unicorn heels 😊 the part with the history of music starting with monk chants to Bach and enter sandman even a disco beat on the drum just after ! The more times you listen the more you pick out ❤
Not to forget the Hurrian hymn or the country Banjo. 🤩
I copied this from someone else's comment to add this comment of evolution of music.
Right before the Bach piece that you recognized, over Tuomas' piano part you hear a short melody on a woodwind instrument. That's the beginning of the medieval Gregorian Dies Irae chant.
Then the Bach piece comes.
When the full band comes back the keyboard plays another quote by Bach, the theme of the fugue from the Toccata and Fugue in d minor BWV 565.
Then you hear the Metallica riff and right at the end of it an EDM beat
Nice reaction :) A million years is a megaannum and a billion years is called an eon in Astronomy and Geology. Neither terms are really used much in History since History by definition studies man and civilization, which are nowhere near a million years old.
Empuu is a twin.
I see a resemblance to Groot, remember Tuomas big Disney fan...
Why you pick up the "brazilian" version of this song??? Just asking...
Lol, no clue
i`s not just animals all life on our planet
Some meaning, band comments and my comments, below
You really should eatch both Wembley and Tampere. They each have something special.
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Troy: At some point we ended up watching Richard Dawkins lectures on the internet. After a while I suggested, half in jest, that maybe we should ask Dawkins to be our special guest on the new album.
Tuomas: It was an amazing idea, and I immedia\tely started wondering if could really make it happen.
Jukka: We were naturally a bit sceptical, too - we had to try and ask him of course, but it was better not to have such high hopes. Dawkins had pretty much shied away from popular culture apart from one episode of The Simpsons.
Troy: I enthusiastically assured them that I can make this work, like "You'll see, guys". Well the next morning I wasn't feeling so confident any more and I rtemembered Tuomas and Jukka going "Told you so"
TUOMAS: Still, there was no way we could let it drop without at least trying. So we started thinking about a proper manner to approach Dawkins. We decided our best option would be to send him a hand-written, polite letter, where we would tell him about the band, the scientific themes on the forthcoming album and the fact that he had been a great inspiration
TROY: We got no reply, so we sent another letter. In the end, I guess we had a bit of luck, because it turned out Dawkins personal assistant knew the band and actually liked Nightwish. He suggested that Dawkins should take our inquiry seriously
TUOMAS: I was in Paris doing interviews for the Scrooge album. When I got back to the hotel in the evening. I noticed there was an email from Dawkins, something like, "1 went to the internet and browsed your band, and what I heard l liked very much. So I'd be happy to co-operate.
FLOOR: Tuomas sent us a triumphant message: "You won't believe what just
M happened: Dawkins said yes!"
TROY: It was obvious from the start that Dawkins' appearance would attract a lot of attention - both positive and negative. His book God Delusion had created a worldwide controversy. after all.
JUKKA: We didn't invite Dawkins to be on our album to criticize religion but to speak as a scientist: an evolutionary biologist. Of course neither the fans nor anybody else outside the band knew it at that point.
TUOMAS: There has been a lot of unreasonable criticism hurled at him for all kinds of reasons. A lot of people seem to ignore the fact that Dawkins is also happy to listen to contrary opinions and is always open for new ideas. In that sense, he's like Esko Valtaoja, with whom we had the honour to work on Showtime, Storytime DVD.
I had endless possibilities in my hands for "The Greatest Show on Earth" What is the sound of crumpling continental plates that mountains are made of? Or the disintegration of radioactive components? Or the sound of space particles bombarding the earth? And how would I refer to immortal works of music composed by man? Well, I included shades of "Dies Irae" by Thomas Celano, "Toccata" and "Fuga" by Johann Sebastian Bach, banjo music from Western movies, "Rock around the Clock" by Bill Haley & His Comets, and "Enter Sandman" by Metallica. I was also thinking about borrowing "Sandstorm" by Darude, but in the end, we just went for an unrecognizable techno loop.
Also Petzold and Bach.
Recording - and Jukka Resigning:
MARCO: Kaitsu handled the drum parts admirably, so we could continue with the other instruments right away, This time we tried to concentrate on one song at a
time and kept on working on it till we felt there was nothing more we could add.
TROY: And we didn't even have thunder. Rauhala does not have the best sound proofing in the world, so it would have been pretty challenging to mike the instruments if there had been rain and thunderclaps.
TUOMAS: I actually got off easier than I expected, because a lot of the demo keyboards from Hämeenlinna were good enough to be included on the album. The stuff in "Sea-Worn Driftwood", part five of "The Greatest Show on Earth", for example, was salvaged straight off the demo. In Hämeenlinna, I had explained to Tero that this passage would be about "whales singing and rats taking over the world". I had just come up with that improvised stuff, and it made it on the album
MARCO: Recording the vocals was teamwork in the best possible sense, no matter who was behind the mike. We kicked around suggestions and tried out all kinds of last minute ideas. Like, "Hey Floor, throw in some of that sweet upper octave of yours in the second verse...
Yeah, that's a nice touch!"
FLOOR: Marco kept on surprising us. He might just suddenly say, "Wait, I have an idea!" Then he'd pull out his bass and introduce an excellent harmony
MARCO: It was great fun recording the vocals. I've never had the chance to impersonate a troglodyte in front of a microphone before, so creating gorilla sounds for "The Greatest Show on Earth" was pretty hilarious. I didn't want to undermine the majesty of the song in any way, but I didn't exactly do it with a straight face, either!
TROY: I recorded my own ape grunts at home. To get in character, I took off my shirt, banged my chest with my fists, and pretended I was an ancient Homo Erectus. I think my wife was a bit worried
MARCO: I cut my bass parts pretty quickly in about one and a half days. I even got a bit lazy towards the evening of the first day - if I had really pushed it, I might have been able to complete them in a single day.
Notes:
The first part, "Four Point Six", is a reference to the age of our planet -in billions of years. The journey starts with a simple but persistent keyboard theme, interrupted by massive thunder claps - the origin of life that despite the murderous bombardment by asteroids, sprouts time and again and finally manages to grow permanent roots. The word "archaean" in the lyrics refers to the Archean Eon, the first of the geological eons of the world (Gaea).
The second part of the song chronicles the birth and the first on Earth. "Enter Luca" is a reference to an early life form, an acronym for the Last Universal Common Ancestor. We can make assumptions about the characteristics of Luca and other early life forms by reading the DNA of current organisms: "There's a writing in the garden, leading us to the mother of all."
Right from the beginning, one of the key characteristics of living cells has been the ability to sense their environment and react to their perceptions: "Ion channels welcoming the outside world."
In the third part, chronicling the age of man, there's a fascinating reminder: All of us current organisms are descendants of an
unbroken lineage of winners. "Not a single one of your fathers died young".
"Little Lucy of the Afar" refers to the famous fossil of Australopithecus Afarensis that was found in Afari, Ethiopia, a hominin that might have been the ancestor of man (genus Homo). In the long run, all species have the tendency to become extinct, and a fitting vision of the future of mankind is presented in the song, "One day'Il cease to be" On the other hand, man had earlier had "a dream to understand" and "[given] birth to poetry" . He wanted to leave his mark stating "We were here!" In the fourth part, man strives to understand it all, and Richard Dawkins takes up the story once again with a surprising claim:"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. The explanation folows shortly."Most people are never going die, because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been herein my place, but who will in fact never see the light of day, outnumber the sand grains of Sahara."
In the fifth and final part, Dawkins recites the concuding words of The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin: "From so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved."
FLOOR: I felt real good after the final rehearsals [for EFMB] in a New York studio. There were obviously many challenging parts in the set - I'd have to be extra careful in the beginning of "The Greatest Show on Earth", for example because some of the phones rise from the back of the throat but "operatic vocals are produced in the front of the mouth
this song is the finest account of the birth of mankind!
Always check out that Nightwish videos are not from Spanish fansites they like to add Spanish subtitles to everything what they do.....
So I have to ask. Is the song historically accurate? 🤔
You heard Enter Sandman
I was so disappointed she missed that!
J.S. Bach. Minuet. The melody
Fact, there were a. Lot of reptiles that were warm blooded in the pre history, that is now proven in the last 10/15 years, and they already lived at the poles in the Jura and Trias .
Women are 80% water, 20% bullsht. 100% ❤
You could change the subtitles...
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Regarding to unborn ghosts. Just think how many sperm cells are en one portion.
Marko also contributed to this song.
As to Emppu, there is discussion what he is doing in the second part of "The Poet and the Pendulum"...
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The Wembley show was better with Troy using the EBow on his guitar at the beginning instead of playing the Recorder and with Richard Dawkins making a personal appearance. You're over thinking it. The song is a musical interpretation of Richard Dawkin's book of the same title. The only way to fully understand this song is to read the book.
How am i over thinking it? I read almost all of his books
Sadly there is no colloquial wording for beyond a millennia, the scientific wording however is, and it's a word you don't want to spell wrong :) : megaannus
You don't think we are evolving physically? That's absurd. If we weren't, we couldn't evolve intellectually. Our brains need to be physically evolved to expand with new knowledge. We also have to live longer to attain more knowledge. That takes more ability to survive. I'd say we evolve BOTH biologically and intellectually.
Holy hell, you're full of yourself, aren't you? Wasn't planning on replying to any of your asinine comments, but this one I had to. We are technically always "evolving" one way or another, yes. But physically, we are not evolving in any way that benefits the species. We have defied the very laws of darwinism through our societal efforts. We no longer need to be fast, or have good eyesight, or have good problem solving skills or anything really to survive long enough to reproduce. People who naturally wouldn't have survived a week a few thousand years ago, are now well taken care of. It's not even really up to the ability to find a mate, because reproduction has become a "universal rite" and folks can go to clinics and such. So yes, we're changing, but not how we have been for the millions of years that brought us to the impressive species we have become. New mutations come about, whether it's poor eyesight, lack of intelligence, cancer, or any undesirable trait, and it is no longer stripped from the genetic pool, but is cultivated. I'm not saying this is bad, but is contrary to nature. So it's definitely safe to say, we are evolving societally, but definitely NOT physically. Now let's talk about intelligence. It's truly sad you feel we are improving upon this over the last century. True, there were many years that our cranium evolved insanely rapidly to get us to where we are now, but we have not had to problem solve for some time. We no longer know how to get our own food. How to navigate the world around us to ACTUALLY survive. About a century ago, people could actually memorize entire books. We all had to know many phone numbers and other things all at once compared to this generation who couldn't find their way out of a paper bag. Survival skills do exist for some, but have to be preserved as a hobby. Not a necessity. And if the world goes to hell in a handbasket, and we lose all infrastructure, 98% of this incredibly enlightened race you speak of, will become either scavengers, stealing from the other 2% or die off very quickly. I try not to be a gatekeeper like yourself, but maybe you should study up on evolution as well, before you make comments like yours. ALL authorities in the matter will disagree with you. What's evolving? Our collective societal structure (for now), we're probably at its zenith and we're already seeing signs or regression, and our ideas. Which again, is the meme. Take an individual though, and we no longer need to physically improve to survive or compete with the natural arms race. Mentally, we don't need the intellectual band width we used to, because it's already been done for us. We don't need math or even to use our imaginations because it's all right there for the taking. We don't have to remember facts because they are a Google away. Shit, we won't even be painting or writing anymore soon, thanks to AI. To your point. People don't just sit and listen to music or read a book. They watch cat videos all day and 20 minute videos are too long for their short attention spans! Peole have become increasingly bored, volital and depressed, because we are no longer exercising the mental capacities that brought us here. And to top it all off, who's reproducing quicker? The mentally elite or the clinically ignorant? I'm absurd!? Seriously!?
A millennium is actually 1,000 years. From Latin "mille" = 1,000.
We knew that was a millennium. Question was, what's a million years
@@HistoryBuffMaybe a milli eon. ;)
Dawkins is much more real as any three bible Religiouns.
"Physically we don't evolve anymore" that just makes no sense ^^. Every species on thei planet evolves all the time, physically. Evolution also is not always "upwards" whatever that actually means. When there's no or very little pressure, evolution could take you anywhere. In many cases we actually loosing many of the traits we inherited and thanks to "artificial selection" / lack of evolutionary pressure we actually grow many bad traits like shortsightedness and other inheritable issues which be can treat for the most part. However because we can treat them, they aren't a survival necessity anymore like it was in the past.
That was exactly my point. I said, we are de-evolving, which I know is really a misnomer. We are always evolving, just not in the typical darwinian sense, where we are pressured to improve or die. It's literally the opposite. Everyone survives, and in many cases, those with undesirable traits (I know I'm dabbling in hot water here a tad) reproduce more frequently. See the intro to the movie idiocracy for what I mean. But yea, definitely speaking, you are correct.
Not bad for an astrophysiocolist
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As historians you should pay attention to Swedish band SABATON.
Check out my channel. Covered them a ton
And yes, the Wembley show is not only musically superior, but it also has Dawkins himself. All it is missing is the fireworks, about which - meh.
Seriously dude let her do her own reaction. You are steering her to your conclusions.. it's terrible when people already see it and try to tell them everything they think they know and of which you are partially right but you are way off on most.. please let her do this on her own
You need to review your history. Some of the dinosaurs survived the so called "extinction event" and co-existed with humans briefly. We know for sure that the woolly mammoth existed during early human times. We also know that some of the smaller dinosaurs of reptiles made it because they needed fewer resources to survive - but they didn't coexist long simply because they were going extinct, like many species do as superior species take over.
If you enjoyed Nightwish, you should check out another metal band called Lovebites. They are all female group
from Japan and dress up like princesses, but they shred and rock better than almost any band out there today.
Please check out a song called Swan Song with Chopin Etude, Live from Zepp Diver City, Tokyo, 2019.
ua-cam.com/video/WBhtqgiXEA4/v-deo.html If you do be prepared the Wolfpack will invade your channel.
Yep. Swan song is my favorite! I covered about half a dozen of their songs.
I prefer the Wembley-version when Prof. Dawkins is live on stage at the end...
People... there have been many ice ages, the extinction of the dinosaurs was millions of years before the last ice age. I would expect an historian to have some basic knowledge of that even though it was prehistoric. Do not believe movies are historically correct, they never are
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Darwin was mostly wrong. There isn't Darwinism. Read up. The science evolution changes. That being said Nightwish is an awesome band. You haven't scratched the surface. Do what you will.
Lol, Darwin was wrong? You may have to expound on that. And also, I'm a huge nightwish fan, so I've definitely "scratched the surface". Thanks for watching though.
Nice reaction! I prefer the Tampere performance as well. Love Nightwish and this masterpiece of music, but in my opinion Dawkins is full of it - you can't have a watch without a Watchmaker. Darwinian evolution is pure speculation
There is more proof of the evolution theory then for a 'watchmaker'
And who made the watchmaker?😉
Watchmaker only came about after Toolmaker had "Evolved". 😁
Life isn't a watch.
@@bujin1977but it can be a but of a wind-up at times. 😁
You two should just sit back, relax and enjoy. Nightwish is meant to be listened to in that way. You are WAY over analyzing this performance. Just chill. You turned a 20 minute masterpiece into an almost 50 minute drudgery.
Some people enjoy that, others with short attention spans should just sit back and watch the original video.
That's the point of a reaction video!
Thanks!
Don't people just listen to music anymore?
Chopin? Really? You should NOT be reacting to music. It's J.S. Bach, and there was a part before and then the part in Harpsichord. Then there was a clip from Metallica on the guitar. Baroque to modern.
Also Gregorian chant before Back and pre-baroque and also EDM so time after Metallica. Someone posted this list.
Gregorian chant -> harpischord (Bach) -> Mozart -> explosion -> Enter Sandman -> EDM.
One had a list of songs as well, but that list didn't have Mozart. I wish they had used Darude's Sandstorm which they apparently thought about instead of less known EDM.