What do you think of the Dungeons and Dragons Campaign Case: Creatures? Would you buy this and use it at your table? Do you agree with us? Are we being too hard on this product? Let us know in the comments. Thanks for watching!
I kinda like it, But im 100% New, just startet my First Adventure with my also New mates, But if have an adventure in mind i can prepare all the Stuff we need for this currend Session…. But still Not Sure if i Wand that
Since it makes more sense to prepare these in advance, it would make a lot of sense if wizards sold campaign-specific clings packs. A pack with every cling you'll need to run a specific module that they've published. I would buy the shit out of those.
apart from the price tag, i would say its a great box. And the issue with peeling of the stickers, is not a big issue, you dont have to. Place one sticker on each side, and your 40 standard tokens becomes 80 tokens. It feels like the video needed to find issues, just becouse off. What i did, was that i created my own tokens for creatures, printed them out. cut them out, glued them to mdf bases 25 mm, 50 mm and larger. The total cost of printing, buyin bases, glue, varnish was close to the price of this box, but then i have not counted for the hours it took to make them into tokens. So if i knew then what i know now, i would have spent the money on a kit like this instead. Only issue is the price tag, or not. So to any one starting out, this is a great way to go, unless you want to buy miniatures instead, or don't want to do what i did, create you own creature/monster tokens. And you only need to remove the stickers, when you need to. There is no reason for removing them after a session or many sessions, so buy the box, open the box, and stick the most common stickers for your adventure/campaign on the bases, and leave them on, untill you need a base for some other creature.
These product reviews have been so useful, I especially appreciate you going through alternatives to the thing you're talking about. Having that array of things to look at and your opinion on each of them is super helpful.
Preach! We'd run out and buy that for sure. But maaaaaaybe give us some new artwork? It's not like WotC can't afford it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Leo!
@@BasicLiches I dont understand why WoTC reuse so much artwork. Dont they have any full time artists working for them. I'd have them constantly doing new artwork for stuff. If players can afford to get artwork of their characters done why cant a massive company like that get a decent amount of new monster artwork.
Love the video! Great production value. I’m glad you guys were honest with your takes and provided better alternatives. The thoughts you expressed were pretty much what I felt this product would be when they announced it.
Thanks SLAUGHT3RKITTY! we work on improving our production almost every episode. We were going into this review on the skeptical side and were surprised by the quality of the discs, but we couldn't bring ourselves to recommend this product to anyone at the price point.
This product is on sale at Ollie's stores this week for I think $2.50 a box. Sounds like it is worth it at that price, but I am wondering if the 4th Edition Tokens you reviewed here would fit into the weighted tokens provided in the Campaign Case...
Confirming these still exist at Ollie's for 3$, as I now have accidentally bought 2 more, making 7 count total Creature packages in my closet. (03/12/2024)
I often use Pathfinder pawns, because they're very cheap. And unlike flat tokens, you can see them further away. And I do put them in pocketed pages inside of folders, so I can find what I want easily.
Good point about being able to see the Pawns from further away! The small tokens will certainly be hard to see, especially if lighting isn't great. Thanks for the storage tip. Clearly we need to take your advice!
Yeah i use the paw tokens and print out my works, way cheaper and the best option out there imo. Hopefully wizard of the coast takes the approach to make similar product., for sure the 2D products are not far off and better than the campaign case.
i have been using the starter box pawns exclusively for the last 2 years of GMing pf2. dragon shield also now has the gm companion(screen and content box) and it’s been such a good buy
This was a useful review, especially with showcasing other viable options for the frugal DM. Props for also bringing up Paizo pawns, they are really handy. I got a box of those while growing my mini collection.
Thanks so much for watching and dropping us a comment Curarim! We know there are a ton of options out there for Dungeon Masters, and we want to make sure that they're getting the best bang for their buck! It's so easy to waste money on useless or underwhelming products in this hobby. We're just trying to do our part, and help out the community! Have a lichin' day!
Pawns for the win IMO. They are actually numbered as well so if you leave them in their sheets they are pretty easy to find so you move sorting time to the back end putting them away in the right spots.
Paizo kills it with their Pawn sets. I love how almost all their released are supported with them. Such a great option and doesn't take up half of your game room to store them! Thanks for watching and commenting Randy!
We're curious if this will be a "one and done" product or if they will release more clings. If they don't release more then it will only limit the functionality of this product even further. Thanks for the comment Bamboozled!
Campaign modules, or Bestiary token clings would be great. I at least expect the Monster Manual tokens but reckon this is marketed towards the Starter/Essential Set campaigns based on the tokens present.
This would be a nice way to get artwork that's more styled to the adventure like curse of strahd or spelljammer that would be very costly to have a bunch of minis for each setting.
Thanks for honesty, it means A LOT for making decision on buying (or not) stuff like this. Personally, I use almost all solutions I can obtain, depending on situation. I use minis whenever possible (I do prefer to paint them myself, but I have Wizkids, Nolzurs, Archon, GW, other boardgames...), I made standees for one campaign (including player characters, but mostly because of shitload of goblins) by printing them and gluing them to cardboard disks, and when I don't have mini or standee I use tokens. Even dice as tokens. No embarrassment there. I also either use plastic terrain (Archon), or homemade terrain and objects, or use some battle mats (Loke), or simply draw maps on paper or on dry-erase folders with grid printed on paper inside. Whatever seems to work at the moment. My DM friends also use digital platforms (roll20), and one of them has Pathfinder standees (those really work like a charm, also for both PCs and NPCs). Our strength lies in the descriptions and storytelling and acting... All the other things are there to make some things easier (or if not, than to make our time fun and fulfilling in making those stuff).
Agree with you 100%. It's all situational and it all works. We've been at tables where coins or skittles were skeletons. We've seen a Brock Lesner mini be used as a vampire, and little rubber monkeys as kobolds. If the DM is really on point with the descriptions and combat narrations it doesn't matter what kind of token is representing the monsters. Using theater of the mind for combat really helps a DM level up that particular skill. Totally agree on your final point too. This stuff is all cool and using different options, making your own etc... is all part of the DnD experience. Thanks so much for the comment acidum984!
Thanks for the awesome comment. We thought it was imperative that people saw how this product compared to some other options available to DMs. We're glad you found it informative Nortonapple!
(1) they missed the boat by not selling a $15 packet of stickers with every mob you would need for a published adventure (all goblins numbered of course!) (2) there's a lot of wasted space in the box (3) thanks for showing how few monsters were actually in there!
The amount of monsters provided is laughable. We tried using these for the Dragons of Stormwreck Isle adventure, and we're shocked that we didn't have enough of some monsters (had to use the included numbers). And some popular monsters aren't even in included. If they don't provide more monsters this thing is a total waste!
@@BasicLiches I think the best option would be to buy the Pathfinder PDFs and print the pages you need with as many copies as you need. $40-60 and printing costs and you have pretty much endless cardstock minis.
I use flattened marbles. 12 colors for goblin blue, goblin red, etc. They carry in a cloth bag the size of a fist and 1/2 under $10 total. Some black river rocks with stickers on them to differentiate for bigger creatures and bosses. $3 total getting both at the Dollar Tree. I highly recommend. On a side note: get stickers your group knows. I'm the only female and I originally bought disney princess stickers. Me "are you attacking sleeping beauty or snow white?" My player, "I don't know which one is which" 😂
I'm just curious what you were expecting for numbering or marking monsters. You were upset about having the numbers to add, but had no suggestions for something better, until the comparisons later in the video. My suggestion to easily remove the clings is to leave an edge of the cling slightly hanging over the edge of the token so you have a lip to grab onto. Also, there wasn't much discussion about the ways the different colors could be used in different ways. I have used these a few times and really enjoy them so far. Hopefully they will release sheets of clings in the future. Thanks for the video!
Hi John - Regarding the numbers...After we got done filming we figured that the easiest solution was to use the different colored tokens instead of the numbers. As long as you don't have more than 4 creatures in a mob it's the cleanest way to differentiate between same monster types. Using a different colored token could also indicate a particular strong monster of the same type. Good call on letting the clings hang slightly over the edge. That would certainly make them easier to remove. Glad you're getting enjoyment out of the product. We'd have to image that more creature clings will be released in the future to support this product. Otherwise, it will be a limited selection of monsters. Thanks for the informative and helpful comment! We look forward to seeing you in the comment section in the future!
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Thanks so much Darlacs! We believe in honesty and sharing our gut reactions about things. Whether good or bad. If WotC puts out a lackluster product we'd rather warn people and save them money. Thanks again for watching our video and for taking the time to comment!
The monster stat cards are nice, so if you are doing theatre of the mind fighting or using generic tokens you can show the players the picture of the creature. And then you have all the stats and such in hand, much easier than having the monster manual open
We have those monster cards and they're a nice little time saver. For quick skirmishes and battles we tend to do theater of the mind. Having those monster cards handy always helps. Much faster and you don't have to worry about finding the correct mini or token!
If you prep before the game you could put them in a bag or pocket of your backpack or sling them in the terrain case which probablyhas lots of spare room and cardboard space fillers too. Which makes the case itself just a really large binder in your home den.
If you are interested in picking this up Stephen P, we HIGHLY recommend using a tool to peel the vinyl clings off. We also figured out that you shouldn't pick at the edge, but pinch opposite sides of the vinyl cling to remove it from the disk.
Kobold Press has pawn sets like those Pathfinder Beastiary boxes for their "Tome of Beast" books. I don't think they come with the plastic stands, so you'd have to buy those separate, but if you already have them from a Pathfinder set, then it's a way to add even more image types to your collection. I recommend sorting them by monster type and environment and putting each such group in a clear plastic bag (lunch bags if you don't have extras from board games) for easy organization.
Could you stick a vinyl picture on both sides of the token and leave them on? I saw somewhere there are 150 stickers and 64 tokens. So you could get 128 usable creatures out of it. You would need to ditch 32 creatures.
Not a bad idea...and one that lots of people mentioned in the comments. We also took the suggestion from one person to put the clings on slightly off center near the lip of the token. That gives you an easy edge to grab for removal. It doesn't look pretty, but it makes removal MUCH easier. Thanks for the comment and for watching our vid!
Speaking of the board games behind you that you mentioned in passing, I think that is a very solid option. When I first started out as DM, I was using colored pawns like those from Clue for monsters. And I still use chits and tokens and minis and such from a variety of boardgames. Or you could buy the D&D board games for their minis, too.
I literally have wooden blocks that I use. Red, Blue, Green and Yellow ones, cut to size. Painted in the color, and then numbered. I have 10 of each color for the 1 square ones, 4 of each color for the 2 squares, and then one of each color for 3 and 4 squares. Really really that simple. I let my narration describe the monsters. If it is something difficult to describe (like an abberation or something weird) I might print out a picture that I will just toss onto the battlemap as I describe. the D&D 5e box you showed is tempting, solely for the weighted disks. Slap just the numbers on them (if there are enough?) and then never change them out. The cost though isn't worth it.
Maybe after this things fails spectacularly people will be able to find it on clearance! If you could scoop it up at $20-$30 it would be worth it just for the weighted tokens.
Decades ago, I bought all the sets of Cardboard Heroes from Steve Jackson Games that I store flat in my TSR RPGA soft cases, and have been using them in my away games. They were meant to be used folded as cardboard triangles, but they were too light to stand unless the surface was level (or against incidental breezes from fans or open windows), but plastic stands from another wargame solved the problem (and added a weighted base to keep them from falling or being easily blown over). Miniatures were a huge money & time drain, requiring painting, whereas CB Heroes enabled me to have a massive variety of full color (flat 2-sided) miniatures that were highly portable.
Love it! There are so many affordable ways to play the game without spending a fortune on minis or dwarven forge terrain. We even like running combats in theater of the mind just so we don't have to worry about finding minis etc... Thanks for sharing your token solution with us. We love hearing how everyone plays, because there isn't a wrong way to do it!
I laughed so hard when you read the instructions for assembly after you broke the huge stand. Those 2d acrylics were prettier than pawns, but pawns are a really great product (and wasn't it discontinued?) This is another great product review (I watched the terrain review first) with a keen eye for the practical concerns of the average GM, as well as cost effectiveness. You do the community a great service with this!
We put our mistakes out there so that others can learn from them! I hope that the Pawns weren't discontinued...they're such a great product! We've got some more reviews and other content lined up for the next few weeks that you'll hopefully enjoy. Thanks for the comment on this video as well!
I love the Pawns and own all the sets plus, they rarely get used though due to all the mini's I have. They are a fantastic product that got cancelled for no given reason. Arcknight makes good plastic flats, basically pawns but clear plastic with artwork.
Thanks so much, both, certainly keeping my money close to my pockets. As a UK resident, it's 'really' frustrating that I cannot get hold of the Pathfinder gear. On Ebay, the prices for shipping are nuts ($90). Any UK-Friendly alternatives will be welcome!
Nothing fun about that situation Mathew, really hope accessibility improves for you soon! Etsy has some really great local alternatives for UK players, go check it out!
I met a guy at my local game store who used a really big hole punch on his non essential magic cards. Basically every token was the same size, but it was a really cool way to repurpose stuff he already had
We've seen videos of this and it's such a cool idea. You get great art and you've already bought the magic cards...so you're not spending any more. Great DIY solution for sure. Thanks for popping by the comment section. Have a lichin' day Cameron.
I preordered mine but it hasn't gotten to EU just yet, but by the looks and sound of it it seems like a perfect thing for me. I always DM at my friends' place's and I don't have any minis already. I am still kinda sceptic about the stickers, but the worst case scenario the stickers will just rip or wear off and I will just use the discs as there's already 4 colours that I could use to destinguish my players and the type of enemies.
One commenter mentioned putting the clings towards the lip of the disc/token. They said that helped with getting them off easier. We hope that WotC at the very least supports this product with more creature clings. For folks that do plan on using it, have more variety will be a must at some point. Thanks for taking the time to leave us a comment Bamcki. We appreciate it so much!
Thanks RealSuperDuperJJ! We thought we could prove our point and save people money by providing alternatives to the Campaign Case Creatures product. Glad it was helpful. Thanks for dropping us a comment. Hope to hear from you again soon!
Haven't tried wet/dry erase markers, but we have just used blank colors for monsters that aren't in the set. Looks boring on the table, but it DOES work. Hope that helps a little!
It sure seems like to me at least for smaller creatures just printing up a bunch of circular monster graphics and sticking them to quarters would be way more economical. For larger stuff you could probably make a trip to the hardware store and find some appropriate sized washers and do the same exact thing. You couldn't change them on the fly sure. But it seems like these aren't really well suited to changing them on the fly.
We agree Exturkconner! There are plenty of DIY solutions that will work similarly to this product. We love seeing what clever DMs come up with to save money! Thanks for watching the video and leaving us a comment!
One of my favorite box was the 4th edition monster vault i got for around $20 years ago. Lots of token. Gonna keep filling the box with them if i ever get around to making my own
I just got the Creature Case. Thanks so much, not just for the review and alts, but also concrete, " this works, this don't. " So....* any * further advice on not nicking /bending/damaging clings upon disc/ map board removal, and, since I haven't opened my case yet, could I cut out 1" like "pop tarts" box cardboard disc's, draw on em and put those on the plastic case discs? Waste of time? Thanks again guys!
Great review, love the comparison with other products! Honestly since I make my own dry-erase tokens I am actually interested in this as this are way higher higher quality. Tho before buying I would love to see how much free space there would be in the case without using the plastic holder for the discs and if those discs are actually dry-erase as well or not?
Thanks RainbowPitt! The case is really just heavy-duty cardboard and it was filled with dividers and plastic holders that could be removed to give you more space. We did not attempt to write dry/wet erase on the discs, but from experience we can tell you that wet/dry erase ink typically pools up and wipes off from glossy plastic. The discs were designed for the clings to stick and not much else.
Can you just stick a creature on both sides of the disc and be done never have to remove them? Just make them flippable? Or is there too many creatures and not enough discs?
Hi Steve - We don't think you'd be able to use them all...but most of them for sure. Just make sure to stick duplicates of the same creature on different color tokens. That way it's easy for the players and DM to specify which one just took damage.
@@BasicLiches I recently saw the Pathfinder Bestiary box pawn set. To be honest this looks like the best value if someone didn't want to go down the miniature rabbit hole. And even tho they're Pathfinder I would think we can for sure use them with DnD as well.
I know I am late to the party but can you use them double sided, like sticking a kobold on one side and another monster on the other site and than just never change them or does this not work?
Hi Jan - Yes there isn't anything stopping you from doing that. We don't think you'd be able to do all of them, but you could get the most commonly used monsters on there. It would certainly save on setup and prep!
The weighted discs seem nice. Especially since I use hole punched trading cards for creatures for planned encounters and generic tokens for random encounters.
I think the 4e Monster Vault (both of them and red box) were better. The quality was good, it was easy to transport, and also had an adventure. plus, it was affordable at the moment of their release.
It's really odd that they didn't continue pumping out tokens for 5th Edition. Our only thought is that they didn't want any products out there that reminded folks of 4th Edition. The Monster Vault was an insane value. We think it's still worth it at the slightly inflated prices on eBay. Thanks for dropping us a comment TheSalem777.
4e Monster Vault now costs over $150+ I got it when it was $20 and it is a great box set, I just can't recommend it now being as expensive as it is, but it has a ton of monsters on disc. Great box set, but the value of that product just blew up. 😑
Your review of this item, and other like products, really helped settle me on my future purchases. This D&D set is just lacking, especially for the price point. My good friend and DM for the Pathfinder game I’m in has used the Pawns for some time, and they are an amazing product that I’ll probably get for my 5E games. Another older D&D product that came with mini’s similar to the Pathfinder Pawns was the Black Box starter set they made in the early 90s. It looks like a board game box and was made to work with the Rules Cyclopedia/Basic D&D. They’re paper though, and not as sturdy as the Pathfinder Pawns.
If you want an older DnD product that is genuinely great, search eBay for the 4th Edition Monster Vault. It's pricey...but it comes with TONS of monster tokens. We'd love to see that product "Reincarnated" for 5E! Thanks so much for your comment Peter. Looking forward to seeing you in the comment section again soon.
Thanks for the kind words MedoryK. I went ahead and updated the description of the video to include a link to those dry erase tokens. Looking forward to seeing you in the comments again soon! Have a lichin' day!
I have a sizable pathfinder pawn collection. The interest I have in this product stems from a desire to play with Wotc liscensed creatures. Your beholders, mind flayers, and displacer beasts for instance. Is it worth 50 dollars? Am I gonna buy it anyways? ... I'll give it time and watch the price.
Repost: spent $20 on three hole punchers off Amazon. A 1 inch, 2 inch, and 3 inch one. I then spent $45 on some bases from Bones/Reaper miniatures. Added up to over 100 of them with a variety of sizes. For another $5, I got the glue for it. I then spent $0 on MTG cards that were donated commons, uncommons, and tokens from the game to provide me with images for them. So for the $70 I spent, I got myself prepped for everything I could ever need that this box provided. And the best part is that I don't have to fight taking off stickers and putting them back on.
My travel kit is pretty straightforward. For minis I just have a small puzzle box lined with foam I put the minis I need in. I can fit a whole adventure worth of minis in it and it takes up almost no space. Combined with my Loke flip books my travel kit is even smaller than this box. All of my 3d minis come from my big board game collection and I have some of the PF pawns that served me fantastic before I started buying board games
Makes perfect sense! We're into boardgames as well and they're a great source of minis for DnD. Couple that with the PF pawns and you should be good for almost any situation. Thanks for the comment carmilla!
The weight can be nice to feel but makes it less portable, I just want cardboard coin-style pawns with stuff already printed. Other RPGs do it and Paizo does it for the standing cardboard tokens. This removable cligns seem overengineered to add a premium price tag.
We will also add that since owning this, the weighted tokens don't stay in their case at all. The minute you turn the case on it's side they come tumbling out of their spots. They really didn't think anything through with this product. Thanks so much for watching!
I see why you can now pick these up at Ollies during their 20% off toys sale for $2.40, regular $2.99 I would be soooooooooooooooooooooooooo pissed if I had payed $65 for this!!!
I remember what I use to do was make my own tokens out of washers from the hardware store and then printed out art on my home printer and just cut them out and glued them on to the washers
Has anyone tried the GTG Minis, they look similar but are really cheap but look pretty nice. I've pondered getting them, they are a bit more cartoony though.
Never heard of those, but they look pretty cool. Definitely a little cartoony, but the price is right. I love that we live in an age with so many awesome options! Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!
That's a great suggestion Kyle! That set can run upwards of $100, but you'll likely never need to purchase another mini/token ever again. I think they go for $50-$70 pre-owned on eBay.
How many clings are there in the set? Could a person put clings on BOTH sides of the weighted discs and just leave them attached? (Kobolds on 1 side, Goblins on the other, etc.) If that works, a DM would have 128 creatures ready to go.
Hey William Roop, this is not something we attempted, but we remember there being a very clear "side for sticking" with a different sheen. If this did work, however, I would be worried about removing the 128 clings after staying on the discs for so long. The set comes with 159. There are so many other more affordable options if someone was looking for 128 ready-to-go creatures to use, but that's just our opinion. Have a lichin' day!
Hello! I am new DM and I found the review very useful. For battles now, I use a e-ink table where I draw and screen cast on screen, but is really slow process. Now I am looking to upscale my game and involve the players more with some cool budget terrains. I want to ask if there is a big difference in the monster in the pathfinder set compared to those in dnde5?
I haven't had an issue I would prep them before, since I know what is coming up in game as DM. I love they can release new vinyl decals in the future. Still easier than carrying all the minis.
@@BasicLiches I guess if you really did want this item you could cut out plastic discs for the rest of them, but at that cost you shouldn't have to put any effort into it. That being said I 100% agree with you guys and don't believe you're being too harsh on the product.
I've been using pinto beans and pennies as monsters for 30 years 👍 All those years of saving got me 1 Gargantuan Tiamat. It doesn't matter if I never use the Tiamat figure, beans and pennies will forever rule as the most flexible and fastest encounter setup. Go ahead and buy your $15 2d acrylics, I'll bring thousands upon thousands of beans in 1 bag for less than $5, and you'll never know what encounters I have planned ahead. For minis, all you need is 1 brick of Tyranny Of Dragons mini for $100 and that will be your best bet for actual minis for years, because it comes with kobold, goblins, orcs, bugbears, people, and dragons. If you are kids, and you are broke, beans and pennies will take you further along for more years than you can imagine.
Love it! We've been at tables that have used jellybeans. Those are nice because you can eat the monsters after you defeat them! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I was looking forward to the Creatures Case which has yet to be released in the UK where I live. The amount of creatures is disappointing. I've made my own by printing creatures onto photgraphic paper then applying them onto 3M double sides sticky pads. This works fine but I am looking for a more premium product. The Pathfinder ones look far better value for money so thanks for being so thorough in your assessment. Also I can't believe the price of the Creatures Case! I wonder how much they'll charge in ££s?
Hey Geraint! Thats a crafty technique for buidling tokens! It looks like they are going to charge £50 in UK. We really hope they come out with additional creature clings, otherwise this product is quite the waste of coin. Thanks for watching and have a lichin' day!
Why arent the tokens auto numbered?!?! Number all the token sides 1 to X, then you as a dm can just look at a number while the sticker can be the flavor, also an indent in the token that you can get a nail under. In fact maybe magnetic swap top
Great question! Seems like a massive oversight. If you're only fighting four of a single enemy type you COULD slap each one on a different colored token. To be honest, this thing needed a little more time in the R&D stage at WotC. Thanks for dropping by the comment section William Kirk!
I almost bought this to run a game on vacation, but I couldn't justify it. The weighted tokens look nice, but I could just use flat pack minis or just some bases I guess. Thanks for confirming my previous thoughts.
Starter Kits are WAY better for running games while on vacation, (if they are built correctly and give you the basics of everything you need). Glad you were able to gain some insight from these honest, basic-ass liches, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!
I think the biggest issue with these is the price. I got in on these while they were on sale for $20 for each (creature/terrain). But $40+ and especially the $65 msrp is just way too much for what you're getting IMHO.
I just bought some at the bargain store, $2.99 a piece 😂, yes you read that correctly, $2.99... the case looks good though, and I feel it's great for new players, especially at the basically free price, so i picked some up for myself for the hell of it and a set of characters and terrain for the school I work for since they're trying to start a club.
@twitchster77 Ollies. But they're literally sold out and they sold out literally the first day they were out on shelves. Drove to every one within a 100 mile radius and they were sold out.
There are 159 creatures included in the case. I don't know the exact breakdown in different size creatures. At a glance there appears to be more small/medium creatures than large/huge. So they wouldn't all fit, but you could probably attach the most frequently used clings and leave them. Definitely a good idea to improve on setup time/wear n' tear. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment.
I'd buy extra disks for pennies and never remove them. But I rather buy and paint minis. Off topic but I own a horde of the common enemies. I'm talking 20+ goblins, orcs, ogres etc
That's a solid solution. You could find regular, non-weighted, plastic tokens and the clings should attach to them just fine. We wish we had the time and patience to paint minis! Maybe we'll make a video showcasing some of the unpainted Nolzur's line. Thanks for the comment Dom!
This item and the Campaign Case: Terrain can be found now at Ollie's bargain center stores for $3.99 each. I'm guessing they were not well received and taking up a bunch of space in warehouse. But a $3.99 USD price point for reusable terrain tiles that support dry erase and tons of quality tokens. Buy 2!
Why can’t u just put the stickers on and put it back in the holders so when you need to use it it already sticks on. No need to put them pack on the paper, right?
Hi John thanks for watching and leaving us a comment. There are more clings than tokens. So you could probably leave most of them on the tokens. We would imagine that is how most DMs will approach using this product.
Would be decent. A nice substitute for tokens from those coming from roll 20 and vtts to tabletop. If they continue support and have packs for these pogs. Not sure if you need a full box set I'd like half that much discs
Agreed, dragonmk123. We don't really see the benefit of this set unless they release more cling sheets. They don't give us any multiples of large+ creatures in the set, making our combat encounters kind of like a grab bag. Have a lichin' day!
I have the 4th ed. box with the tokens, simple, easy, I used it earlier today! I also have minis I buy at the game store on a weekly basis which are cheaper if you buy them two at a time. That is a no on that clunky creature case for me.
Great review. I was really disappointed with this case for the same reasons you listed. The only way I could give this a recommendation is if WoTC continues to come out with the clings. The amount supplied in the case for the price just isn’t good enough.
All of the money of this product went into those weighted discs. They feel great. It's too bad they didn't figure out a better use for them! Thanks for watching and for joining in on the comments! Looking forward to hearing from you again soon!
i've spent around $20US on homemade pawn bases made of MDF circles, paperclips and hot glue. made 24 for medium/small creatures, 12 for large, 8 for huge and 2 for gargantuan. also printed the pathfinder pawns from pirated pdfs and got all i need, also i follow like 4 different artists on patreon that make paper minis and got everything in their catalog for $3/month. NOTE: i didn't pirate out of just cheapness, getting TTRPG stuff is very hard in my country and very expensive. even the $10 to $12 on patreon for the paper minis is a big investment for me
We played with DIY stuff for years and that's a huge part of the hobby. Honestly, it's just another way you can be creative while playing a TTRPG! Thanks for the tips and sharing your insights Emanuel!
Another good video! I look forward to more reviews. Here's my review: 1. Cool shirts 2. I hope you recycled that trash 3. Is the word you're looking for "colorform"?
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What do you think of the Dungeons and Dragons Campaign Case: Creatures? Would you buy this and use it at your table? Do you agree with us? Are we being too hard on this product? Let us know in the comments. Thanks for watching!
I kinda like it, But im 100% New, just startet my First Adventure with my also New mates, But if have an adventure in mind i can prepare all the Stuff we need for this currend Session…. But still Not Sure if i Wand that
Great video, did not expect all the different alternative comparisons, but was an important addition to make the video useful.
Since it makes more sense to prepare these in advance, it would make a lot of sense if wizards sold campaign-specific clings packs. A pack with every cling you'll need to run a specific module that they've published. I would buy the shit out of those.
apart from the price tag, i would say its a great box. And the issue with peeling of the stickers, is not a big issue, you dont have to. Place one sticker on each side, and your 40 standard tokens becomes 80 tokens. It feels like the video needed to find issues, just becouse off. What i did, was that i created my own tokens for creatures, printed them out. cut them out, glued them to mdf bases 25 mm, 50 mm and larger. The total cost of printing, buyin bases, glue, varnish was close to the price of this box, but then i have not counted for the hours it took to make them into tokens. So if i knew then what i know now, i would have spent the money on a kit like this instead. Only issue is the price tag, or not.
So to any one starting out, this is a great way to go, unless you want to buy miniatures instead, or don't want to do what i did, create you own creature/monster tokens. And you only need to remove the stickers, when you need to. There is no reason for removing them after a session or many sessions, so buy the box, open the box, and stick the most common stickers for your adventure/campaign on the bases, and leave them on, untill you need a base for some other creature.
Saw this and the terrain case both at a bargain outlet near me, brand new for $3 each today.
These product reviews have been so useful, I especially appreciate you going through alternatives to the thing you're talking about. Having that array of things to look at and your opinion on each of them is super helpful.
Thanks so much! We try to be as thorough as possible. We appreciate your comment and thanks for watching Gnick!
They should just make sets of Weighted tokens with images already on them. The goblin war band. Kobold guards. Hobgoblin patrol. Dragon. Bullette.
Preach! We'd run out and buy that for sure. But maaaaaaybe give us some new artwork? It's not like WotC can't afford it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Leo!
So they should charge $20 a piece for 50 different sets of 5 to 10 plastic discs...
Sorry, I'm not convinced.
@@BasicLiches I dont understand why WoTC reuse so much artwork. Dont they have any full time artists working for them. I'd have them constantly doing new artwork for stuff. If players can afford to get artwork of their characters done why cant a massive company like that get a decent amount of new monster artwork.
It’s a cash-grab. I can run an entire campaign using just 30 goblin miniatures. How many duplicate images come with that overpriced set?
Great video. I found both campaign cases at Olie’s outlet store for$2.99 each
I just got a new Campaign Case for $3 and I think it was worth it. I appreciate the review
I bought mine for $3 each at Ollie’s. I’ve played about 5 short games with my wife and toddler, we had a blast. Well worth the money.
The Ollie's prices definitely change the value of these sets. I would never have paid $60 for this, but it's fine for the
The idea was so great. It is at Ollies for 3 dollars each.
Love the video! Great production value. I’m glad you guys were honest with your takes and provided better alternatives. The thoughts you expressed were pretty much what I felt this product would be when they announced it.
Thanks SLAUGHT3RKITTY! we work on improving our production almost every episode. We were going into this review on the skeptical side and were surprised by the quality of the discs, but we couldn't bring ourselves to recommend this product to anyone at the price point.
This product is on sale at Ollie's stores this week for I think $2.50 a box. Sounds like it is worth it at that price, but I am wondering if the 4th Edition Tokens you reviewed here would fit into the weighted tokens provided in the Campaign Case...
They have these at Ollie's Discount stores for $3 (12/09/23)
Confirming these still exist at Ollie's for 3$, as I now have accidentally bought 2 more, making 7 count total Creature packages in my closet. (03/12/2024)
I often use Pathfinder pawns, because they're very cheap. And unlike flat tokens, you can see them further away. And I do put them in pocketed pages inside of folders, so I can find what I want easily.
Good point about being able to see the Pawns from further away! The small tokens will certainly be hard to see, especially if lighting isn't great. Thanks for the storage tip. Clearly we need to take your advice!
Yeah i use the paw tokens and print out my works, way cheaper and the best option out there imo. Hopefully wizard of the coast takes the approach to make similar product., for sure the 2D products are not far off and better than the campaign case.
i have been using the starter box pawns exclusively for the last 2 years of GMing pf2. dragon shield also now has the gm companion(screen and content box) and it’s been such a good buy
This was a useful review, especially with showcasing other viable options for the frugal DM. Props for also bringing up Paizo pawns, they are really handy. I got a box of those while growing my mini collection.
Thanks so much for watching and dropping us a comment Curarim! We know there are a ton of options out there for Dungeon Masters, and we want to make sure that they're getting the best bang for their buck! It's so easy to waste money on useless or underwhelming products in this hobby. We're just trying to do our part, and help out the community! Have a lichin' day!
for $2.99 at ollie’s, as a beginner i think picking up 2 of each of these isn’t a terrible idea
i just got these a few weeks ago before christmas and i found them for $4 EACH and i think for that price this is definitely worth it!
Pawns for the win IMO. They are actually numbered as well so if you leave them in their sheets they are pretty easy to find so you move sorting time to the back end putting them away in the right spots.
Paizo kills it with their Pawn sets. I love how almost all their released are supported with them. Such a great option and doesn't take up half of your game room to store them! Thanks for watching and commenting Randy!
@@BasicLiches Yup pawns are WAY better than this absolute garbage product
I hope they put out clings for modules so you can run a module with all the monsters you need.
We're curious if this will be a "one and done" product or if they will release more clings. If they don't release more then it will only limit the functionality of this product even further. Thanks for the comment Bamboozled!
Campaign modules, or Bestiary token clings would be great. I at least expect the Monster Manual tokens but reckon this is marketed towards the Starter/Essential Set campaigns based on the tokens present.
This would be a nice way to get artwork that's more styled to the adventure like curse of strahd or spelljammer that would be very costly to have a bunch of minis for each setting.
Thanks for honesty, it means A LOT for making decision on buying (or not) stuff like this.
Personally, I use almost all solutions I can obtain, depending on situation. I use minis whenever possible (I do prefer to paint them myself, but I have Wizkids, Nolzurs, Archon, GW, other boardgames...), I made standees for one campaign (including player characters, but mostly because of shitload of goblins) by printing them and gluing them to cardboard disks, and when I don't have mini or standee I use tokens. Even dice as tokens. No embarrassment there.
I also either use plastic terrain (Archon), or homemade terrain and objects, or use some battle mats (Loke), or simply draw maps on paper or on dry-erase folders with grid printed on paper inside. Whatever seems to work at the moment.
My DM friends also use digital platforms (roll20), and one of them has Pathfinder standees (those really work like a charm, also for both PCs and NPCs).
Our strength lies in the descriptions and storytelling and acting... All the other things are there to make some things easier (or if not, than to make our time fun and fulfilling in making those stuff).
Agree with you 100%. It's all situational and it all works. We've been at tables where coins or skittles were skeletons. We've seen a Brock Lesner mini be used as a vampire, and little rubber monkeys as kobolds. If the DM is really on point with the descriptions and combat narrations it doesn't matter what kind of token is representing the monsters. Using theater of the mind for combat really helps a DM level up that particular skill.
Totally agree on your final point too. This stuff is all cool and using different options, making your own etc... is all part of the DnD experience. Thanks so much for the comment acidum984!
Really appreciate you guys doing the comparisons in detail. Great job!
Thanks for the awesome comment. We thought it was imperative that people saw how this product compared to some other options available to DMs. We're glad you found it informative Nortonapple!
(1) they missed the boat by not selling a $15 packet of stickers with every mob you would need for a published adventure (all goblins numbered of course!) (2) there's a lot of wasted space in the box (3) thanks for showing how few monsters were actually in there!
The amount of monsters provided is laughable. We tried using these for the Dragons of Stormwreck Isle adventure, and we're shocked that we didn't have enough of some monsters (had to use the included numbers). And some popular monsters aren't even in included. If they don't provide more monsters this thing is a total waste!
@@BasicLiches I think the best option would be to buy the Pathfinder PDFs and print the pages you need with as many copies as you need. $40-60 and printing costs and you have pretty much endless cardstock minis.
Respect for a thorough and unbiased review, with options. Thank you very much.
Thanks for the comment and for subscribing Ace! We're just trying to call em like we see em.
I just found your channel, you two are hilarious and really give great information without the sugar coating.
Thanks so much William! We love getting comments like this. Have a lichin' day!
I use flattened marbles. 12 colors for goblin blue, goblin red, etc. They carry in a cloth bag the size of a fist and 1/2 under $10 total. Some black river rocks with stickers on them to differentiate for bigger creatures and bosses. $3 total getting both at the Dollar Tree. I highly recommend.
On a side note: get stickers your group knows. I'm the only female and I originally bought disney princess stickers. Me "are you attacking sleeping beauty or snow white?" My player, "I don't know which one is which" 😂
Love it...such a great idea! Also, we love that they have Disney Princess stickers on them. Thanks so much for watching and commenting Amarella!
Ollie's store sells for $2.99 now
I'm just curious what you were expecting for numbering or marking monsters. You were upset about having the numbers to add, but had no suggestions for something better, until the comparisons later in the video.
My suggestion to easily remove the clings is to leave an edge of the cling slightly hanging over the edge of the token so you have a lip to grab onto.
Also, there wasn't much discussion about the ways the different colors could be used in different ways.
I have used these a few times and really enjoy them so far. Hopefully they will release sheets of clings in the future. Thanks for the video!
Hi John - Regarding the numbers...After we got done filming we figured that the easiest solution was to use the different colored tokens instead of the numbers. As long as you don't have more than 4 creatures in a mob it's the cleanest way to differentiate between same monster types. Using a different colored token could also indicate a particular strong monster of the same type.
Good call on letting the clings hang slightly over the edge. That would certainly make them easier to remove. Glad you're getting enjoyment out of the product. We'd have to image that more creature clings will be released in the future to support this product. Otherwise, it will be a limited selection of monsters. Thanks for the informative and helpful comment! We look forward to seeing you in the comment section in the future!
@@BasicLiches that's a really good idea, using the colors as your "A, B, C", etc. Consider it stolen!
Yo I just wanted to say this is my first time watching you guys I love you channel already I like that you guys don’t ride the hype of wotc and it makes your reviews feel a lot more genuine you got a subscription from me
Thanks so much Darlacs! We believe in honesty and sharing our gut reactions about things. Whether good or bad. If WotC puts out a lackluster product we'd rather warn people and save them money. Thanks again for watching our video and for taking the time to comment!
The monster stat cards are nice, so if you are doing theatre of the mind fighting or using generic tokens you can show the players the picture of the creature. And then you have all the stats and such in hand, much easier than having the monster manual open
We have those monster cards and they're a nice little time saver. For quick skirmishes and battles we tend to do theater of the mind. Having those monster cards handy always helps. Much faster and you don't have to worry about finding the correct mini or token!
If you prep before the game you could put them in a bag or pocket of your backpack or sling them in the terrain case which probablyhas lots of spare room and cardboard space fillers too. Which makes the case itself just a really large binder in your home den.
True. Ain't no way we're dragging around that box by it's handle!
Campaign case looks really cool. You could use a small strip of paper under the vinyl every time you apply it to aid in the reapplication process.
If you are interested in picking this up Stephen P, we HIGHLY recommend using a tool to peel the vinyl clings off. We also figured out that you shouldn't pick at the edge, but pinch opposite sides of the vinyl cling to remove it from the disk.
Just picked up this and the terrain one for $3 each at Ollie's... so I'm guessing it didn't sell very well LOL
Got this and the terrain box at my local Ollie’s for $3.00 a piece! Score!
Just picked this set up for 2.99 at Ollie’s… excited to use it for my first DM session!
you guys seem real... i subscribed 1/2 way through! keep it up
Appreciate it! Thanks so much
Arcknight gtg and skinny mini got you . I feel it's made tokens obsolete.
We love the rise of the plastic/acrylic 2D minis. Such a great value and they have a unique table presence!
Kobold Press has pawn sets like those Pathfinder Beastiary boxes for their "Tome of Beast" books. I don't think they come with the plastic stands, so you'd have to buy those separate, but if you already have them from a Pathfinder set, then it's a way to add even more image types to your collection.
I recommend sorting them by monster type and environment and putting each such group in a clear plastic bag (lunch bags if you don't have extras from board games) for easy organization.
Plenty of folks have to travel to play or DM. love the honest review.
Thanks so much for watching our video and dropping a comment!
Could you stick a vinyl picture on both sides of the token and leave them on? I saw somewhere there are 150 stickers and 64 tokens. So you could get 128 usable creatures out of it. You would need to ditch 32 creatures.
Not a bad idea...and one that lots of people mentioned in the comments. We also took the suggestion from one person to put the clings on slightly off center near the lip of the token. That gives you an easy edge to grab for removal. It doesn't look pretty, but it makes removal MUCH easier. Thanks for the comment and for watching our vid!
Speaking of the board games behind you that you mentioned in passing, I think that is a very solid option. When I first started out as DM, I was using colored pawns like those from Clue for monsters. And I still use chits and tokens and minis and such from a variety of boardgames.
Or you could buy the D&D board games for their minis, too.
I checked out this video because I happened to find both cases at Ollie’s today for……..$2.99!
Do you know if that was some kind of Black Friday or Cyber Monday sale price? Or is that the regular Ollie's price?
Wow...that's a crazy price!
@@CrusaderCoolthat's regular Ollie's price. They are still that price. I picked up the terrain one today
I literally have wooden blocks that I use. Red, Blue, Green and Yellow ones, cut to size. Painted in the color, and then numbered. I have 10 of each color for the 1 square ones, 4 of each color for the 2 squares, and then one of each color for 3 and 4 squares. Really really that simple. I let my narration describe the monsters. If it is something difficult to describe (like an abberation or something weird) I might print out a picture that I will just toss onto the battlemap as I describe.
the D&D 5e box you showed is tempting, solely for the weighted disks. Slap just the numbers on them (if there are enough?) and then never change them out. The cost though isn't worth it.
Maybe after this things fails spectacularly people will be able to find it on clearance! If you could scoop it up at $20-$30 it would be worth it just for the weighted tokens.
I think prepping them before your game is key. It’s an interesting idea for the traveling DM.
Prep away, adventurer! Definitely an interesting idea, though we thought possibly less-than-well executed. Thanks for the comment!
Decades ago, I bought all the sets of Cardboard Heroes from Steve Jackson Games that I store flat in my TSR RPGA soft cases, and have been using them in my away games. They were meant to be used folded as cardboard triangles, but they were too light to stand unless the surface was level (or against incidental breezes from fans or open windows), but plastic stands from another wargame solved the problem (and added a weighted base to keep them from falling or being easily blown over). Miniatures were a huge money & time drain, requiring painting, whereas CB Heroes enabled me to have a massive variety of full color (flat 2-sided) miniatures that were highly portable.
Love it! There are so many affordable ways to play the game without spending a fortune on minis or dwarven forge terrain. We even like running combats in theater of the mind just so we don't have to worry about finding minis etc... Thanks for sharing your token solution with us. We love hearing how everyone plays, because there isn't a wrong way to do it!
I laughed so hard when you read the instructions for assembly after you broke the huge stand. Those 2d acrylics were prettier than pawns, but pawns are a really great product (and wasn't it discontinued?) This is another great product review (I watched the terrain review first) with a keen eye for the practical concerns of the average GM, as well as cost effectiveness. You do the community a great service with this!
We put our mistakes out there so that others can learn from them! I hope that the Pawns weren't discontinued...they're such a great product! We've got some more reviews and other content lined up for the next few weeks that you'll hopefully enjoy. Thanks for the comment on this video as well!
@@BasicLiches They were discontinued with no plans for a product to follow them up. It sucks.
I love the Pawns and own all the sets plus, they rarely get used though due to all the mini's I have. They are a fantastic product that got cancelled for no given reason. Arcknight makes good plastic flats, basically pawns but clear plastic with artwork.
Pawns aren't fully discontinued. They've discontinued the AP pawn line but are still making the bestiary boxes
Thanks so much, both, certainly keeping my money close to my pockets. As a UK resident, it's 'really' frustrating that I cannot get hold of the Pathfinder gear. On Ebay, the prices for shipping are nuts ($90). Any UK-Friendly alternatives will be welcome!
Nothing fun about that situation Mathew, really hope accessibility improves for you soon! Etsy has some really great local alternatives for UK players, go check it out!
I met a guy at my local game store who used a really big hole punch on his non essential magic cards. Basically every token was the same size, but it was a really cool way to repurpose stuff he already had
We've seen videos of this and it's such a cool idea. You get great art and you've already bought the magic cards...so you're not spending any more. Great DIY solution for sure. Thanks for popping by the comment section. Have a lichin' day Cameron.
I preordered mine but it hasn't gotten to EU just yet, but by the looks and sound of it it seems like a perfect thing for me. I always DM at my friends' place's and I don't have any minis already. I am still kinda sceptic about the stickers, but the worst case scenario the stickers will just rip or wear off and I will just use the discs as there's already 4 colours that I could use to destinguish my players and the type of enemies.
One commenter mentioned putting the clings towards the lip of the disc/token. They said that helped with getting them off easier. We hope that WotC at the very least supports this product with more creature clings. For folks that do plan on using it, have more variety will be a must at some point. Thanks for taking the time to leave us a comment Bamcki. We appreciate it so much!
Great honest review! Loved the inclusion of alternatives
Thanks RealSuperDuperJJ! We thought we could prove our point and save people money by providing alternatives to the Campaign Case Creatures product. Glad it was helpful. Thanks for dropping us a comment. Hope to hear from you again soon!
Can you use dry/wet erase pens on the tokens if you are using monsters they don’t have clings for or just don’t want to deal with the clings?
Haven't tried wet/dry erase markers, but we have just used blank colors for monsters that aren't in the set. Looks boring on the table, but it DOES work. Hope that helps a little!
It sure seems like to me at least for smaller creatures just printing up a bunch of circular monster graphics and sticking them to quarters would be way more economical. For larger stuff you could probably make a trip to the hardware store and find some appropriate sized washers and do the same exact thing. You couldn't change them on the fly sure. But it seems like these aren't really well suited to changing them on the fly.
We agree Exturkconner! There are plenty of DIY solutions that will work similarly to this product. We love seeing what clever DMs come up with to save money! Thanks for watching the video and leaving us a comment!
One of my favorite box was the 4th edition monster vault i got for around $20 years ago. Lots of token. Gonna keep filling the box with them if i ever get around to making my own
I just got the Creature Case. Thanks so much, not just for the review and alts, but also concrete, " this works, this don't. "
So....* any * further advice on not nicking /bending/damaging clings upon disc/ map board removal, and, since I haven't opened my case yet, could I cut out 1" like "pop tarts" box cardboard disc's, draw on em and put those on the plastic case discs? Waste of time?
Thanks again guys!
Great review, love the comparison with other products!
Honestly since I make my own dry-erase tokens I am actually interested in this as this are way higher higher quality.
Tho before buying I would love to see how much free space there would be in the case without using the plastic holder for the discs and if those discs are actually dry-erase as well or not?
Thanks RainbowPitt! The case is really just heavy-duty cardboard and it was filled with dividers and plastic holders that could be removed to give you more space. We did not attempt to write dry/wet erase on the discs, but from experience we can tell you that wet/dry erase ink typically pools up and wipes off from glossy plastic. The discs were designed for the clings to stick and not much else.
Can you just stick a creature on both sides of the disc and be done never have to remove them? Just make them flippable? Or is there too many creatures and not enough discs?
Hi Steve - We don't think you'd be able to use them all...but most of them for sure. Just make sure to stick duplicates of the same creature on different color tokens. That way it's easy for the players and DM to specify which one just took damage.
@@BasicLiches I recently saw the Pathfinder Bestiary box pawn set. To be honest this looks like the best value if someone didn't want to go down the miniature rabbit hole. And even tho they're Pathfinder I would think we can for sure use them with DnD as well.
@@jerkomirko we love them and covered them in the video. That box is a TREMENDOUS value for any Game Master. You just need a decent storage solution!
I know I am late to the party but can you use them double sided, like sticking a kobold on one side and another monster on the other site and than just never change them or does this not work?
Hi Jan - Yes there isn't anything stopping you from doing that. We don't think you'd be able to do all of them, but you could get the most commonly used monsters on there. It would certainly save on setup and prep!
The weighted discs seem nice. Especially since I use hole punched trading cards for creatures for planned encounters and generic tokens for random encounters.
The weighted discs are the best part. They're super high quality and feel great. It's essentially what you're paying for with this product.
I think the 4e Monster Vault (both of them and red box) were better. The quality was good, it was easy to transport, and also had an adventure. plus, it was affordable at the moment of their release.
It's really odd that they didn't continue pumping out tokens for 5th Edition. Our only thought is that they didn't want any products out there that reminded folks of 4th Edition. The Monster Vault was an insane value. We think it's still worth it at the slightly inflated prices on eBay. Thanks for dropping us a comment TheSalem777.
4e Monster Vault now costs over $150+
I got it when it was $20 and it is a great box set, I just can't recommend it now being as expensive as it is, but it has a ton of monsters on disc. Great box set, but the value of that product just blew up. 😑
Your review of this item, and other like products, really helped settle me on my future purchases. This D&D set is just lacking, especially for the price point. My good friend and DM for the Pathfinder game I’m in has used the Pawns for some time, and they are an amazing product that I’ll probably get for my 5E games.
Another older D&D product that came with mini’s similar to the Pathfinder Pawns was the Black Box starter set they made in the early 90s. It looks like a board game box and was made to work with the Rules Cyclopedia/Basic D&D. They’re paper though, and not as sturdy as the Pathfinder Pawns.
If you want an older DnD product that is genuinely great, search eBay for the 4th Edition Monster Vault. It's pricey...but it comes with TONS of monster tokens. We'd love to see that product "Reincarnated" for 5E! Thanks so much for your comment Peter. Looking forward to seeing you in the comment section again soon.
I appreciate real honest reviews! Do you have a link for the dry erase chits?
Thanks for the kind words MedoryK. I went ahead and updated the description of the video to include a link to those dry erase tokens. Looking forward to seeing you in the comments again soon! Have a lichin' day!
I have a sizable pathfinder pawn collection. The interest I have in this product stems from a desire to play with Wotc liscensed creatures. Your beholders, mind flayers, and displacer beasts for instance. Is it worth 50 dollars? Am I gonna buy it anyways? ... I'll give it time and watch the price.
Wait for the inevitable clearance on these bad boys!
Repost: spent $20 on three hole punchers off Amazon. A 1 inch, 2 inch, and 3 inch one. I then spent $45 on some bases from Bones/Reaper miniatures. Added up to over 100 of them with a variety of sizes. For another $5, I got the glue for it. I then spent $0 on MTG cards that were donated commons, uncommons, and tokens from the game to provide me with images for them. So for the $70 I spent, I got myself prepped for everything I could ever need that this box provided. And the best part is that I don't have to fight taking off stickers and putting them back on.
Awesome solution! Way better than what this product provides.
My travel kit is pretty straightforward. For minis I just have a small puzzle box lined with foam I put the minis I need in. I can fit a whole adventure worth of minis in it and it takes up almost no space. Combined with my Loke flip books my travel kit is even smaller than this box. All of my 3d minis come from my big board game collection and I have some of the PF pawns that served me fantastic before I started buying board games
Makes perfect sense! We're into boardgames as well and they're a great source of minis for DnD. Couple that with the PF pawns and you should be good for almost any situation. Thanks for the comment carmilla!
So, first I see Colorforms, and then I see Shrinky Dinks. D&D is finally catching up to my toys from the 70’s!
Exactly Steel Mongoose! Maybe we'll get a Lite Bright DM Screen or an Etch a Sketch style product in the near future!
The weight can be nice to feel but makes it less portable, I just want cardboard coin-style pawns with stuff already printed. Other RPGs do it and Paizo does it for the standing cardboard tokens. This removable cligns seem overengineered to add a premium price tag.
We will also add that since owning this, the weighted tokens don't stay in their case at all. The minute you turn the case on it's side they come tumbling out of their spots. They really didn't think anything through with this product. Thanks so much for watching!
I love the pawns. I have them all sorted in a box from harbor freight. I even picked up the npc pawns for one shots or if someone forgets their mini.
I see why you can now pick these up at Ollies during their 20% off toys sale for $2.40, regular $2.99
I would be soooooooooooooooooooooooooo pissed if I had payed $65 for this!!!
Great review guys... Keep up the good work
I remember what I use to do was make my own tokens out of washers from the hardware store and then printed out art on my home printer and just cut them out and glued them on to the washers
Awesome idea!
I picked up two of each of these recently at Ollies for 3 bucks lol
Same here.
Has anyone tried the GTG Minis, they look similar but are really cheap but look pretty nice. I've pondered getting them, they are a bit more cartoony though.
Never heard of those, but they look pretty cool. Definitely a little cartoony, but the price is right. I love that we live in an age with so many awesome options! Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!
Just pick up the 4e Monster Vault (cardboard tokens set). This new set is just trying to make the MV more complicated.
That's a great suggestion Kyle! That set can run upwards of $100, but you'll likely never need to purchase another mini/token ever again. I think they go for $50-$70 pre-owned on eBay.
Do you like these more or less than the Paizo Pawns?
How many clings are there in the set? Could a person put clings on BOTH sides of the weighted discs and just leave them attached? (Kobolds on 1 side, Goblins on the other, etc.) If that works, a DM would have 128 creatures ready to go.
Hey William Roop, this is not something we attempted, but we remember there being a very clear "side for sticking" with a different sheen. If this did work, however, I would be worried about removing the 128 clings after staying on the discs for so long. The set comes with 159. There are so many other more affordable options if someone was looking for 128 ready-to-go creatures to use, but that's just our opinion. Have a lichin' day!
Hello! I am new DM and I found the review very useful. For battles now, I use a e-ink table where I draw and screen cast on screen, but is really slow process. Now I am looking to upscale my game and involve the players more with some cool budget terrains. I want to ask if there is a big difference in the monster in the pathfinder set compared to those in dnde5?
Got it for literally 2.99 at Ollie’s
I haven't had an issue I would prep them before, since I know what is coming up in game as DM. I love they can release new vinyl decals in the future. Still easier than carrying all the minis.
Those weighted disks ARE enjoyable, hope it works out for ya! Thanks for the comment!
Awesome video! 👍
Does the box come with an equal amount of tokens to stickers?
Plus that t-shirt is hilarious. 🤣
There are 159 creature clings and 64 tokens. Thanks so much for watching the video and dropping us a comment Quiffdog!
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I guess if you really did want this item you could cut out plastic discs for the rest of them, but at that cost you shouldn't have to put any effort into it.
That being said I 100% agree with you guys and don't believe you're being too harsh on the product.
Flat Plastic Minis from Arcknight are also an excellent alternative.
Yeah they are, we love their spell effects too!
I've been using pinto beans and pennies as monsters for 30 years 👍
All those years of saving got me 1 Gargantuan Tiamat. It doesn't matter if I never use the Tiamat figure, beans and pennies will forever rule as the most flexible and fastest encounter setup.
Go ahead and buy your $15 2d acrylics, I'll bring thousands upon thousands of beans in 1 bag for less than $5, and you'll never know what encounters I have planned ahead.
For minis, all you need is 1 brick of Tyranny Of Dragons mini for $100 and that will be your best bet for actual minis for years, because it comes with kobold, goblins, orcs, bugbears, people, and dragons.
If you are kids, and you are broke, beans and pennies will take you further along for more years than you can imagine.
Love it! We've been at tables that have used jellybeans. Those are nice because you can eat the monsters after you defeat them! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I was looking forward to the Creatures Case which has yet to be released in the UK where I live. The amount of creatures is disappointing. I've made my own by printing creatures onto photgraphic paper then applying them onto 3M double sides sticky pads. This works fine but I am looking for a more premium product. The Pathfinder ones look far better value for money so thanks for being so thorough in your assessment. Also I can't believe the price of the Creatures Case! I wonder how much they'll charge in ££s?
Hey Geraint! Thats a crafty technique for buidling tokens! It looks like they are going to charge £50 in UK. We really hope they come out with additional creature clings, otherwise this product is quite the waste of coin. Thanks for watching and have a lichin' day!
This is a fantastic video, thank you so much! This reminded me I have a ton of Gloomhaven monsters I could be using in my games too!
So easy to forget when they are boxed up! Thanks for the comment dadordeforma, have a lichin' day!
Why arent the tokens auto numbered?!?! Number all the token sides 1 to X, then you as a dm can just look at a number while the sticker can be the flavor, also an indent in the token that you can get a nail under. In fact maybe magnetic swap top
Great question! Seems like a massive oversight. If you're only fighting four of a single enemy type you COULD slap each one on a different colored token. To be honest, this thing needed a little more time in the R&D stage at WotC. Thanks for dropping by the comment section William Kirk!
Can you buy just the disks?
Not that we're aware of. It would be nice if you could because they're pretty awesome.
I almost bought this to run a game on vacation, but I couldn't justify it. The weighted tokens look nice, but I could just use flat pack minis or just some bases I guess. Thanks for confirming my previous thoughts.
Starter Kits are WAY better for running games while on vacation, (if they are built correctly and give you the basics of everything you need). Glad you were able to gain some insight from these honest, basic-ass liches, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!
I think the biggest issue with these is the price.
I got in on these while they were on sale for $20 for each (creature/terrain). But $40+ and especially the $65 msrp is just way too much for what you're getting IMHO.
Yeah we are very happy people can pick these up for $20 now. Our review would have been very different for that price. Thanks for watching!
I just bought some at the bargain store, $2.99 a piece 😂, yes you read that correctly, $2.99... the case looks good though, and I feel it's great for new players, especially at the basically free price, so i picked some up for myself for the hell of it and a set of characters and terrain for the school I work for since they're trying to start a club.
@@LemonMooseTheMan That's an amazing deal :D Which store was it?
@@twitchster77 Ollie's, they buy overstock and closeout and then sell it at markdown.
@twitchster77 Ollies. But they're literally sold out and they sold out literally the first day they were out on shelves. Drove to every one within a 100 mile radius and they were sold out.
Great video guys, appreciate the insight! ✨🙏✨
Thanks for dropping a comment METABROZ! We're glad you enjoyed the video!
Is it not possible to stick all the clings on the tokens one on each side and just leave them on?
There are 159 creatures included in the case. I don't know the exact breakdown in different size creatures. At a glance there appears to be more small/medium creatures than large/huge. So they wouldn't all fit, but you could probably attach the most frequently used clings and leave them. Definitely a good idea to improve on setup time/wear n' tear. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment.
I'd buy extra disks for pennies and never remove them. But I rather buy and paint minis. Off topic but I own a horde of the common enemies. I'm talking 20+ goblins, orcs, ogres etc
That's a solid solution. You could find regular, non-weighted, plastic tokens and the clings should attach to them just fine. We wish we had the time and patience to paint minis! Maybe we'll make a video showcasing some of the unpainted Nolzur's line. Thanks for the comment Dom!
This item and the Campaign Case: Terrain can be found now at Ollie's bargain center stores for $3.99 each. I'm guessing they were not well received and taking up a bunch of space in warehouse. But a $3.99 USD price point for reusable terrain tiles that support dry erase and tons of quality tokens. Buy 2!
Once they said static clings i knew it wasnt meant foe quick play
Definitely have to set it up before hand
Yeah it's a shame really. Prepping them before play is probably the safest bet. Thanks for stopping by and dropping a comment DannyDarko!
I got the creature case for 3$. Would you say that is worth it?
Why can’t u just put the stickers on and put it back in the holders so when you need to use it it already sticks on. No need to put them pack on the paper, right?
cant you leave them on 64 /64
Hi John thanks for watching and leaving us a comment. There are more clings than tokens. So you could probably leave most of them on the tokens. We would imagine that is how most DMs will approach using this product.
Would be decent. A nice substitute for tokens from those coming from roll 20 and vtts to tabletop. If they continue support and have packs for these pogs. Not sure if you need a full box set I'd like half that much discs
Agreed, dragonmk123. We don't really see the benefit of this set unless they release more cling sheets. They don't give us any multiples of large+ creatures in the set, making our combat encounters kind of like a grab bag. Have a lichin' day!
You solidified my choice I'm going with the pathfinder pawns
I got this and the terrain case for $2.99 each at Ollie's Bargain Outlet. So even if its bad, its still pretty good.
I have the 4th ed. box with the tokens, simple, easy, I used it earlier today! I also have minis I buy at the game store on a weekly basis which are cheaper if you buy them two at a time. That is a no on that clunky creature case for me.
We felt the same way BNDMS. It's clear that their new marketing style is trying to reach us, but doesn't actually KNOW us yet. Have a lichin' day.
Great review. I was really disappointed with this case for the same reasons you listed. The only way I could give this a recommendation is if WoTC continues to come out with the clings. The amount supplied in the case for the price just isn’t good enough.
We completely agree Josh. It will be a wasted opportunity if they don't release more clings. Thanks for the comment. Have a lichin' day!
I laughed when I saw what was inside. At least it's consistent with the new starter kit
All of the money of this product went into those weighted discs. They feel great. It's too bad they didn't figure out a better use for them! Thanks for watching and for joining in on the comments! Looking forward to hearing from you again soon!
i've spent around $20US on homemade pawn bases made of MDF circles, paperclips and hot glue. made 24 for medium/small creatures, 12 for large, 8 for huge and 2 for gargantuan.
also printed the pathfinder pawns from pirated pdfs and got all i need, also i follow like 4 different artists on patreon that make paper minis and got everything in their catalog for $3/month.
NOTE: i didn't pirate out of just cheapness, getting TTRPG stuff is very hard in my country and very expensive. even the $10 to $12 on patreon for the paper minis is a big investment for me
We played with DIY stuff for years and that's a huge part of the hobby. Honestly, it's just another way you can be creative while playing a TTRPG! Thanks for the tips and sharing your insights Emanuel!
Another good video! I look forward to more reviews.
Here's my review:
1. Cool shirts
2. I hope you recycled that trash
3. Is the word you're looking for "colorform"?
If we have more money in the Lich Fund we may review the Campaign Case: Terrain very soooooon!
There's also Skinny Minis - they are like the plastic 2D ones