It was a mercy killing. Tony knew that Phil would torture Tony B and saw that he needed to resolve it. Tony also knew that he had created the problem too.
Putting here cuz no responses. The moment Phil started going after Chris’s mom, Tony should’ve started plotting against NY. Blundetto had no idea how correct he was in siding against the Lupertazzis. Remember this, Carmine Sr. was willing to sit down and negotiate with Tony. The timing of it was spectacular, since he was about to get whacked. He capitulated to Tony because he knew Tony could set things in motion. People underestimate Soprano family’s performance in a war with NY. There’s a reason why Carmine Sr. showed respect, there’s a reason why John spent so many years grooming moles. Tony should’ve started plotting after Phil attacked Chris’s mom, and he should’ve capitalized on Blundetto’s hit on Joey Peeps. They totally could’ve beat the Lupertazzi’s and gotten along with little Carmine.
Tony's mistake was staying neutral in the gang war occuring in the other family. The correct move was to help Carmine eliminate Phil, John Sac, and that side of the family. However, he tried to ride the fence and ended up getting impaled, much like Vito. Poor guy.
You're talking crazy. Johnny Sacrimoni probably had 3/4 of the 21 Capos backing him. Each Capo having anywhere from 8-12 made men. Then each made man would have 3-6 associates. If Tony tried anything against either side, the entire Dimeo (Sopranos) Family would be extinct. There are only 7 Capos at the highest point in Jersey with 2-4 made soldiers. Who really knows how many associates each has. But my guess is 2-3 at most.
@@FreeOpenTruth you can be totally wrong here…..not saying you are but……. Look at the mafia war in 1931……..the smaller family which ended up being the Bonanno’s beat what would become the Genovese family. Think about that…..
@@antoinesilva1527 Maranzano didn't garner enough support to spare his bullet parade. Joe Bonanno had to go along. The point is, mob wars just have a body count. Even if most capos backed Johnny Sack over Carmine Jr. (I doubt it was 3 to 1, probably more like 3 to 2), Phil & Johnny Sack dying would likely inspire more acquiescence to Junior's claim to the throne than revenge.
There is so much humor in the Sopranos, i almost consider it to be a "dark" comedy. The headstone for Joey Peeps is just one example, the humor throughout the whole series is so clever that I'm still picking up on little jokes i missed even after watching the series ten times. Brilliant writing
The Sopranos is a comedy/drama, it's not some CRAZY or original statement to say it's a funny show, almost every episode is filled to the brim with puns, jokes, etc
He handled the situation as humanely as possible Tony was doomed for a slow hard death, Tony did the most loving thing a man in his position could have done.
Oooohhhh Handled differently, I was denied revenge on dat animal Blundetto. He killed my kid brudda Billy in cold blood, I never had da chance to take him out personally, which I made a promise to our mudda.
I always felt, no matter how many times I watch the series, that Tony S handled Tony B the best way he could under the circumstances. Also, Tony B's arc is such an important part of how the plot evolves (even after his demise) from season 5 to 6 from "I want regular work til I'm a certified" to "No more, Butchie. No more of this." It all ties in.
Tony always talks about the good times, which really were seasons 1-4. Once he kills Ralph he steps over the line, really breaks the rules and season 5 is all about everyone's lack of respect for 'our thing'.
Tony always talks about the good times, which really were seasons 1-4. Once he kills Ralph he steps over the line, really breaks the rules and season 5 is all about everyone's lack of respect for 'our thing'.
New Jersey wasn’t established by (((Lucky Luciano))). The entire series was about how Tony was a Godless loser. He had literally not a single shred of the “good times” in his being. He should have been selling speakers for a legitimate company or something. He was a degenerate friend of Christ-killers 👍🏻
I disagree, Tony should've picked the side of the guy who didn't move to New Jersey & genuinely wasn't sticking his beak in. However, Tony Soprano's arc is crucial in his decision to handle Tony B himself, the last bit of conscience in his psyche was gone. It makes clipping Adrianna all the easier, he sees Tony B again at the end of his Kevin Finnerty dream (last person he sees before walking into a blinding light), & the rest of the series is him running on the hardest impulse.
Honestly, although I love the character, Blundetto got what was coming to him. Imagine someone murders your brother in front of you, Phil had every right to his bloodlust
@@paul-dq6lk Damn, I’m glad for the leotard family Chris wasn’t involved. Would of been no remains left to identify with his punch-shots. Probably would of destroyed the whole city block
Tony S did the right thing. It was a mercy killing. In La Cosa Nostra, torture is not uncommon. IRL these men are much more brutal than can be shown on even HBO television. Of course, a don would not have done the killing himself as shown, but The Sopranos is the best drama TV show ever, and it was perfect writing. Anyway, you've become the very best Sopranos YT content creator. You've obviously had the makings of a ...yeah, we get it. Tu salude, have at it.
I never really considered the fact that giving up blundetto could’ve harmed Tony’s image to his own crew. They of course were mad that he wasn’t giving up Blundetto and their own guys were being attacked as a result, but we can see from when Vito was killed that someone like Carlo who wanted Vito dead, was quick to kill Fat Dom for coming to their headquarters and insulting the man. No matter what Vito did, killing one of their own was out of line.
Tony should've supported Brainless II in the war. The war that started at the end for Jersey really started in Season 5. Phil's rampage was absolutely grounds to put him down. Chrissy whined to Tony in fear when he should've made a case against Phil right then. No one could've forseen what happened next, but Phil was already close to the throne & it was predictable enough that he'd never let his grudge go.
FINALLY someone who shares my opinion. Johnny Sack was such a snake idk how Tony could remain friends with him. Little Carmine being the moron he was could have been a big advantage for the Glorified Crew.
That breadstick in a bow tie brought this all on. Had he not gone into business for himself relations with New York would never have deteriorated and both Tony's would still be alive.
I think he did good with the Tony B situation he just hesitated a little too long. Like he knew right away Tony B did the hit on peeps. He could have made plans then but he didn't and then it escalated. But outside of that he handled it the best he could. Now the Vito situation that's one where he messed up royally how he handled it. Definitely lost points with his crew on that one.
lost point with his cews regarding Vito ??? not at all.. Aside from Patsy who didnt give a damn about the whole thing, they were all disgusted by Vito. Phil would wage a war on NJ if the matter wasnt settle. The crews wouldnt accept to die for an homosexual, a dude they all rejected.
I'm saying he should have ordered the hit on vito and not allow Phil be the one to do it. That's how he is losing points with his crew cause it shows that he is going to let another family hit one of their guys when their family could have done it just like how Tony did with Tony B.
You're forgetting the key revelation Johnny Sack made to Tony prior to the FBI raid: Phil was ultimately just using Billy's death as an excuse to climb the ladder. He wanted either Consigliere or Underboss, and was using Billy as an excuse to leverage for it. Phil was a lot of things, but he wasn't totally unreasonable at that time. Not yet anyways. He became unreasonable once he tasted power, but prior to this he was more realistic in his expectations. He knew that in that life, any one can get clipped at any time. He had to have been somewhat prepared for this possibility given the civil war in NY between Little Carmine and Johnny Sack. I still don't consider Phil's wrath being 100% genuine as much as I view it as his bargaining chip to make up for doing 20 years in the can for losers like Doc Santoro and Rusty Milio, with no reward awaiting him at the end of it as he anticipated.
Now that is exactly how I was thinking about it. I think Tony b would've been great to win the war against NY. I mean let's be honest ny has been poking at Jersey for a good while cuz they know they can. The war was not preventable. Killing Tony b only held it off a year or so. That's where I get that if Ralph was around and Christopher and Tony b , those guys alone could've took down NY.
3:36 the part of the whole saga that a lot of people seem to forget. One of Tony's worst ever ideas (no way in hell was Johnny ever going to agree to a power sharing idea) that that lead to multiple deaths, both directly and indirectly. Tony HAD to kill or give up his cousin to make up for that blunder alone. Anyways, to answer your question, yes, Tony made the best of a bad situation. But who knows what would have happened if the Feds hadn't raided Johnny Sack to effectively make Phil the acting boss of the family and divert his attention elsewhere. My only criticism of your video was that you didn't include the best scene from during when Tony is trying to decide what to do about the situation and visits Paulie's house unannounced and finds the painting of Pie o My and himself made up to look like a general. The effect clearly spoke louder than words.
Tony did what he had to do in this situation. Tony B basically gave him no outs here with what he did and left Tony Soprano to deal with the stronger and angry New York Family as well as his own family being pissed that they were at risk financially and their well being with New York because of Tony protecting his cousin. Which they knew deep down he would probably not give them the same protection if they had done the same thing.
I feel like Tony S was checkmated in this situation. I don't think he had any other choice but to either eliminate Tony B himself or let Phil get to him. He could have let Tony B stay in hiding and hope he was never found but that was a big gamble and could have caused Tony S alot of trouble down the road with his own family and worse, with Phil and NY. That all went south anyhow later on but that's a whole other story.
That's part of the great tragedy of it all. A couple of years in hiding, there wouldn't have been anyone in NY left to give a shit about whatever happened there
Tony Blundetto personified the leader ideal. Crazy but controlled. A man of action, the kind of guy who could take the Sopranos from a small fry outfit to greater heights. Tony tried very hard to maintain a balance with New York, realizing perhaps too much how much more powerful they were in reality. Blundetto would have blasted his way to prominence or an early grave. Tony recognized this and it certainly factored into his decision to kill him.
Nah. I thought of it when rewatching the series. Here's the scenario. Tony has Sil get some goods together (guns, explosive, and unmarked van). He calls TB and tells him the plan, he'll send Chris with the van and goods to the farm, he'll call Johnny and give up TB's location. When Phil and his guys show up, they'll go into the house. TB blows up the house and mop up any stragglers if they are still outside. Next, stage is TB phones Tony and threatens to kill him. He goes back to Jersey and takes a shot Tony (hitting him non-lethally). Tony then puts a price on TB's head. TB hides out at a safe house in North Carolina and waits for Chris to bring the money he promised. TB hops on a flight to Sicily to hangout with their "cousins" overseas. They find someone of similar build to TB, kill him, and places his body in the van. Chris heads to IL, find a small town, pay off the coroner to say that the body is TB. Tony can easily talk Johnny down, it was Phil who placed so much pressure on Johnny and Joey's death. TB's punishment is ultimately exile, after faking his death. Maybe show up from time to time to do a clandestine hit or two.
@@masterzombie161 not really. It was never stated if the Lupretasi Family had connections overseas. If you fake his death, then no one would be looking for a dead man. Don't forget the rat Tony killed back in S1. He was literally hiding in their backyard, upstate NY, and no one even knew he was there. Definitely could have gotten away with it.
I think Tony did the best he could. He obviously didn't want his cousin to die, let alone tortured to death. I think Tony did right. BTW, I still love your sense of humor. Cracks me up every video.
He defied a direct order on a couple different occasions, not to mention operating out of pocket/unsanctioned against a stronger more powerful family and putting everyone else at extreme risk, only because of the chip on his shoulder about going to prison and tony being his cousin. Had to go.
Tony's hands were tied. Phil was out for blood, he even threatened Christopher's mom. Tony knew Phil wasn't gonna stop until Blundetto was dead, so Tony made the difficult decision to do it himself because he knew Phil and his guys wouldn't have done it cleanly.
Idk what tony should have done, but I just want to say that your ability to sneak in the best lines from the show into your script is top tier. with love, Jamaal Ginsberg
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Tony S said it himself: they’re soldiers, they take orders, they obey. And if you’re going to accept those steaks 🥩 then you gotta accept those consequences. The sit down with Johnny Sack was to tell Tony S to deliver Tony B, end of story.
Yup. Glad u mentioned how Tony floating the power sharing idea? Got everyone at the table not named Soprano killed! Because he blames his idea on Angelo. That always bothered me.
7:24 I’ve always said that animal would have absolutely taken Phil considering how obvious his approach to the house is. Animal had a reputation as a top hitman hence why NY hired him in the first place so Phil would have definitely lost that fight. So yeah, Tony saved Phil’s life weirdly enough.
best he could in a bad situation...tony b should of remained a civilian...he knew by gunning down made men from new york it could bring pressure on tony in jersey....regardless if he thought he was going to get caught or not...theirs always somebody lurking unawares and you can never really be sure of no eyes....if anything..tony b should of wore a disguise or drove a different type of car than ditched it....he screwed up by allowing it to come back to him in one way or another....tony b was missing that mob life...and those envelopes....
As I think about it, Tony needed to take Blundetto out swiftly before anyone could have said a thing or done anything, quick, fast and decisive. To wait and let things fester was his biggest mistake. The fact that he waited pretty much set the winds of war into motion later down the line, Phil wanted this guy badly and procrastinating only made things worse. If Tony was waiting he may have well gone to war and tried to take Phil out as soon as he could.. A real tough spot for Tony no doubt.
Tony made the best decision And played perfectly Even though it killed him to hurt his own cousin If he had Of given into Johnny sack He would be perceived as weak And they will keep pushing until they decidedly get rid of him all together
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Tony Killing his Cousin was definitely Better then Letting Phil Have Him for Tony B anyway. I think it would have been Better for Jersey\ New York Relations if Tony would have Handed Him over. but then again at The end of the Series Phil was just looking for any Excuse to Go to the Mattresses and because of the size disparity things probably would have ended up the same way they did. Tony B screwed up the Hit. he probably should have tried to get Closer instead of wasting all of his bullets from so far away. what's Sad about Tony B is He was so close to making it away from That Life but His children had to make those comments and make him Feel as if He had no choice but to attempt the Hit.
Have you ever seen Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch? That would be a fantastic and rich source of content for future videos, as it's an amazingly layered and nuanced movie.
Yes. He had to. Phil would never let it go, and he'd never get a green light on Phil. Maybe if some financial opportunity came up that Phil was obstructing with his vendetta, New York would get fed up. But that's something impossible to predict and would be ridiculous to plan around.
Same thing with Vito Spatafore Tony was hiding him when Phil tried confronting Tony about his whereabouts Tony refused to cooperate and tried hiding him that caused Phil to find him first Torture Vito with that merciless beating and raming a pool cue up his ass If Tony would have took care of it Vito would not have suffered and Tony would not have lost the respect from New York and his own Crew. Most importantly there would not have been the war with New York that resulted in the death of Bobby and the coma of Silvio and eventually the demise of Tony. Tony is to blame for what happened because he failed to act when he was supposed to and he failed in the leadership role as Boss of his family
If he would have took care of Vito right away instead of telling Phil to mind his own business Phil wouldn't of ended up doing it himself and things would not have happened the way they did and business would of continued as normal and Bobby Silvio and Tony would have probably not been Killed The Vito Spatafore situation was the beginning of the end of the Soprano family
I had a friend come home from prison and misjudged what type of time he was gonna be on. I was and still am so off. Like a whole new guy. I respect it too. Tony S didn't respect Tony B's decision
Peeps...it's a fu#kn nickname, his family name is Peparelli. One of the most inappropriate things I can't help but find funny. The way Tony's grilling Silvio and just seeing "Peeps" on the tombstone 😅
I always thought it was hilarious that Phil shows up by himself to a house where a mobster is hiding out for his life. Absolutely zero guarantee Phil comes out on top.
Tony should got blundetto to do the Jackie Gleason mambo impression for Phil as compensation, GET OUT GETT OUUUUT. Thats how it should've been solved imo.
You mention this being a moment people use for an example of Tony being a bad boss. Can you do a video discussing how bad of a boss Tony is or isn’t ? I guess in comparison to other bosses in the show in ranking them to see where Tony lines up
Listening to this video made my mind do the strangest connection: Between this and the death of Dumbledore in Harry Potter. There is a discussion in the seventh book taking place before the event where him and Snape discuss the pros and cons on who has to kill him. They know Draco is ordered top do it and Snape has to at least make the attempt of helping him as to not come off as suspicious (which is also something he's promised Draco's mother to do), however they both know that this will deeply traumatize Draco and ruin his life, but not allowing his plan to succeed would lead to his death as a punishment to his father's failings. The other Deatheaters in Draco's team are psychopaths who will likely torture him, so Snape has to put him out of his misery.
If Tony made an error it was not having Phil clipped sooner. His major flaw as a boss was allowing clearly dangerous, volatile people like Richie, Ralph and even Chris poison the well. Like he tells Ralph he's known for having bad tendencies but he empathises because he has them too. He lets himself be surrounded by the toxicity that he can relate to, and not just when it comes to associates either. He's always too late to recognise what a threat they are while we the audience sees it a mile away. Empathy might be the only positive emotion he was capable of, and ironically it's his biggest weakness.
The "animal Blundetto" actually makes sense if you think about. Tony B goes ballistic and kills high ranking mafia members which causes huge problems for the gang and Tony is forced to take care of the situation. Just like a rabid animal who starts attacking people and you need to put him down, you don't want to do this and you feel bad about it but you have to do that, just like how Tony had to kill his own cousin. It's a very interesting parallel.
The main error to me is leaving a dead body on a porch for New York to stumble upon. They are in no position to go into the unknown not knowing. I know it's rural but wtf...anyone could of rolled up on that before Phil gets there. If I was New York I'd be more pissed now Tony sent Phil into that situation
Sammy The Bull Gravano got into a situation like this. He was a captain at the time and one of his soldiers killed a Lucchese soldier. He got caught and was tied up in the basement. Sammy sent a few of his guys over to confirm the story. The Gambino did not lie and told the guys what happened and why. But then the Gambinos left him there to be beaten and tortured to death. Sammy was fucking furious!!! He told his men that they should have taken the guy with them because he was a Gambino so his own family would have handled it with honor! The fucking Luccheses with Gaspipe being one of them tortured the poor guy all night!!! My point is, Tony was 100% correct to do it himself or anyone else in his family. When you start torturing people for breaking rules, you are no longer La Cosa Nostra! You are Al Qaeda or ISIS.
Having recently re-watched this stuff, I can think of only one other way this could have turned out: The only way out of a tunnel is through it. Tony Soprano should have used Tony B as a way to take out the troublesome Phil Leotardo - focused and surgical this time. If Phil is stalking the NJ guys, looking for revenge, then reverse it. Surveillance on Phil and when the time is right, send Tony B to do it with the best possible targeting. If Tony B dies in the attempt, he dies likely by Phil's hands and the revenge is satisfied. If Phil dies, the hit Tony B originally tried is completed, and one who wants revenge is gone. It's darwinistic. Would NYC be pissed? Yes, but mainly Johnny Sack, who will have just lost his most fearsome right hand man at a time when Johnny still needed to worry about coming out above Carmine Jr. And if it's still going to be war, that war starts with Johnny Sack already in a bad position. Given what actually happens later, it's clear that Phil was the real danger / problem to the NJ family, so that could have been avoided if he was removed earlier.
I thought that Johnny and Phil were out of control from the start, and were breaking a lot of rules with their war against Carmine Jr. I think the actual right thing to do would have been to get rid of both of them. Everyone was so afraid of the NY mob, but when we actually get to see them, they are a bunch of old men and misfits. I didn't see them as formidable.
Tony should have gave up Tony B. and turned his back. Yeah he felt shame for what happened to Tony B. and it being his fault. But as we know of any crime family activity blood isn’t always thicker than water and Tony B. stepped out…..totally unacceptable.
If Tony S. had given Tony B. up, Tony B. would have been tortured and admitted killing Joe Peeps. This would mean that Johnny Sack would have known that Tony S. lied to him about being with Tony B. at the time of the killing. Tony S. was also protecting himself by not giving up Tony B.
Tony handled it by the book. Bosses are supposed to handle their own families, not hand soldiers over to other bosses. Tony B broke the rules and his boss carried out fair retribution
Tony taking out tony B was the best case situation, at this point. You are right he should have done it sooner. Although giving him to Phil, would not have been bad though too. Phil showed up to the house with just a gun and on a cane by himself. I think that ether himself or Johnny sac talked him out of torture, with what he had that night killing tony B would have to be quick and not endanger himself, but tony giving up his family (even though he is not even a made guy) would have made him look weak, and would have the rest of his crew asking themselves who is next.
Isn't it also possible that Tony made up the whole torture thing when talking to his family as a strategy to justify his hesitency to give up Tony B beyond just nepotism. Like I totally believe Phil would request that, but the whole torture thing is only attested by what Tony says IIRC.
For such an animal lover it must have been awful for Tony to put down that animal Blundetto.
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It's like poetry--it rhymes.
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It was a mercy killing. Tony knew that Phil would torture Tony B and saw that he needed to resolve it. Tony also knew that he had created the problem too.
Putting here cuz no responses.
The moment Phil started going after Chris’s mom, Tony should’ve started plotting against NY. Blundetto had no idea how correct he was in siding against the Lupertazzis. Remember this, Carmine Sr. was willing to sit down and negotiate with Tony. The timing of it was spectacular, since he was about to get whacked. He capitulated to Tony because he knew Tony could set things in motion.
People underestimate Soprano family’s performance in a war with NY. There’s a reason why Carmine Sr. showed respect, there’s a reason why John spent so many years grooming moles. Tony should’ve started plotting after Phil attacked Chris’s mom, and he should’ve capitalized on Blundetto’s hit on Joey Peeps. They totally could’ve beat the Lupertazzi’s and gotten along with little Carmine.
Tony's amoral dissent definitely happened on the plight of killing the closest person he had to a brother.
@@BiggityBoggity8095Agreed. In the end he calls Little Carmine for help getting peace & Phil out of the picture.
“put me in, coach”
He just never had the makings of a varsity athlete. Small hands 🙌
That animal Blundetto murdered my brother Billy, he was only 47, just a kid.
Don't put yourself through this Phil...
The wine makes you emotional Phil
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It’s because I’ve got an empty fking stomach.
@@ShahPhilLeotardo haha
These jokes are something else. That screencap of Chrissy is particulat was hilarious.
I was literally only thinking that😂😂 he's legit low-key hilarious. Top man 👌🏼
Very allegorical
I love how we can all gather in this chit chat room to make jokes together
Hahaha, “social club….. he’s gotta go!”. Always loved that part.
He told Phil where I was hiding out tho
Is this "pool cue" in the room with us right now?
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Phil was in the same closet as vito, he wasnt hard to find
@@marketpapiI doubt you’ll ever find that one… That que is lost forever in eternal blackness.
That animal blundetto decided to go into business for himself.
Tony's mistake was staying neutral in the gang war occuring in the other family. The correct move was to help Carmine eliminate Phil, John Sac, and that side of the family. However, he tried to ride the fence and ended up getting impaled, much like Vito. Poor guy.
Didn’t Vito want to get impaled though hahaha
You're talking crazy. Johnny Sacrimoni probably had 3/4 of the 21 Capos backing him. Each Capo having anywhere from 8-12 made men. Then each made man would have 3-6 associates.
If Tony tried anything against either side, the entire Dimeo (Sopranos) Family would be extinct. There are only 7 Capos at the highest point in Jersey with 2-4 made soldiers. Who really knows how many associates each has. But my guess is 2-3 at most.
@@FreeOpenTruth you can be totally wrong here…..not saying you are but…….
Look at the mafia war in 1931……..the smaller family which ended up being the Bonanno’s beat what would become the Genovese family. Think about that…..
@@danevertt3210 But Maranzano was able to garnered support from other outfits, and Masseria wasn’t.
@@antoinesilva1527 Maranzano didn't garner enough support to spare his bullet parade. Joe Bonanno had to go along. The point is, mob wars just have a body count. Even if most capos backed Johnny Sack over Carmine Jr. (I doubt it was 3 to 1, probably more like 3 to 2), Phil & Johnny Sack dying would likely inspire more acquiescence to Junior's claim to the throne than revenge.
There is so much humor in the Sopranos, i almost consider it to be a "dark" comedy. The headstone for Joey Peeps is just one example, the humor throughout the whole series is so clever that I'm still picking up on little jokes i missed even after watching the series ten times. Brilliant writing
I’ve said for years the more I watch it the more I see it as a comedy.
I laugh harder at the jokes in the Sopranos than on most comedic TV shows.
The Sopranos is a comedy/drama, it's not some CRAZY or original statement to say it's a funny show, almost every episode is filled to the brim with puns, jokes, etc
Did u warble,my lil wren?
The "PEEPS" Headstone is funnier than any joke ever told. Fatal humor for your street name to go there.
He handled the situation as humanely as possible Tony was doomed for a slow hard death, Tony did the most loving thing a man in his position could have done.
Oooohhhh Handled differently,
I was denied revenge on dat animal Blundetto. He killed my kid brudda Billy in cold blood, I never had da chance to take him out personally, which I made a promise to our mudda.
Phil, taggeiteasy, taggeiteasy.
Don't put yourself through this Phil...
Dat? You wanna talk like mulignan?
Whateva happened there...
I always felt, no matter how many times I watch the series, that Tony S handled Tony B the best way he could under the circumstances. Also, Tony B's arc is such an important part of how the plot evolves (even after his demise) from season 5 to 6 from "I want regular work til I'm a certified" to "No more, Butchie. No more of this." It all ties in.
Tony always talks about the good times, which really were seasons 1-4. Once he kills Ralph he steps over the line, really breaks the rules and season 5 is all about everyone's lack of respect for 'our thing'.
Tony always talks about the good times, which really were seasons 1-4. Once he kills Ralph he steps over the line, really breaks the rules and season 5 is all about everyone's lack of respect for 'our thing'.
New Jersey wasn’t established by (((Lucky Luciano))). The entire series was about how Tony was a Godless loser. He had literally not a single shred of the “good times” in his being. He should have been selling speakers for a legitimate company or something.
He was a degenerate friend of Christ-killers 👍🏻
@@stephenduckham9736be quiet Albert
I disagree, Tony should've picked the side of the guy who didn't move to New Jersey & genuinely wasn't sticking his beak in. However, Tony Soprano's arc is crucial in his decision to handle Tony B himself, the last bit of conscience in his psyche was gone. It makes clipping Adrianna all the easier, he sees Tony B again at the end of his Kevin Finnerty dream (last person he sees before walking into a blinding light), & the rest of the series is him running on the hardest impulse.
Honestly, although I love the character, Blundetto got what was coming to him. Imagine someone murders your brother in front of you, Phil had every right to his bloodlust
Had he got Phil too, it wouldn’t of mattered.
@@CongressSux1776if it had been Chris instead of Tony b it would have been both of them. The man had aim
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Damn, I’m glad for the leotard family Chris wasn’t involved.
Would of been no remains left to identify with his punch-shots.
Probably would of destroyed the whole city block
Now imagine if he was just a kid
@@CollaredConsultinghes a good kid...
Tony S did the right thing. It was a mercy killing. In La Cosa Nostra, torture is not uncommon. IRL these men are much more brutal than can be shown on even HBO television. Of course, a don would not have done the killing himself as shown, but The Sopranos is the best drama TV show ever, and it was perfect writing.
Anyway, you've become the very best Sopranos YT content creator. You've obviously had the makings of a ...yeah, we get it. Tu salude, have at it.
Didn’t John Gotti allegedly torture someone who ran over a kid? Those dudes absolutely got their hands dirty.
@@hithere4719yeah it was his son.
@@joeoconnor8344 people really need to drive carefully…and if they don’t they should expect a chainsaw to interfere with their life 🤌🏻
@@hithere4719Gotti was in Florida when the neighbor disappeared
Thank you!
I never really considered the fact that giving up blundetto could’ve harmed Tony’s image to his own crew. They of course were mad that he wasn’t giving up Blundetto and their own guys were being attacked as a result, but we can see from when Vito was killed that someone like Carlo who wanted Vito dead, was quick to kill Fat Dom for coming to their headquarters and insulting the man. No matter what Vito did, killing one of their own was out of line.
Tony should've supported Brainless II in the war. The war that started at the end for Jersey really started in Season 5. Phil's rampage was absolutely grounds to put him down. Chrissy whined to Tony in fear when he should've made a case against Phil right then. No one could've forseen what happened next, but Phil was already close to the throne & it was predictable enough that he'd never let his grudge go.
FINALLY someone who shares my opinion. Johnny Sack was such a snake idk how Tony could remain friends with him. Little Carmine being the moron he was could have been a big advantage for the Glorified Crew.
That breadstick in a bow tie brought this all on. Had he not gone into business for himself relations with New York would never have deteriorated and both Tony's would still be alive.
2:48 - my guy just said it was some VIOLENT DYSENTERY in them ranks!!!
I didn't realize the ranks were suffering from diarrhea in those scenes lol
I think he did good with the Tony B situation he just hesitated a little too long. Like he knew right away Tony B did the hit on peeps. He could have made plans then but he didn't and then it escalated. But outside of that he handled it the best he could. Now the Vito situation that's one where he messed up royally how he handled it. Definitely lost points with his crew on that one.
Long John Silver, maybe
lost point with his cews regarding Vito ??? not at all.. Aside from Patsy who didnt give a damn about the whole thing, they were all disgusted by Vito. Phil would wage a war on NJ if the matter wasnt settle. The crews wouldnt accept to die for an homosexual, a dude they all rejected.
I'm saying he should have ordered the hit on vito and not allow Phil be the one to do it. That's how he is losing points with his crew cause it shows that he is going to let another family hit one of their guys when their family could have done it just like how Tony did with Tony B.
You're forgetting the key revelation Johnny Sack made to Tony prior to the FBI raid:
Phil was ultimately just using Billy's death as an excuse to climb the ladder. He wanted either Consigliere or Underboss, and was using Billy as an excuse to leverage for it. Phil was a lot of things, but he wasn't totally unreasonable at that time. Not yet anyways. He became unreasonable once he tasted power, but prior to this he was more realistic in his expectations. He knew that in that life, any one can get clipped at any time. He had to have been somewhat prepared for this possibility given the civil war in NY between Little Carmine and Johnny Sack.
I still don't consider Phil's wrath being 100% genuine as much as I view it as his bargaining chip to make up for doing 20 years in the can for losers like Doc Santoro and Rusty Milio, with no reward awaiting him at the end of it as he anticipated.
Now that is exactly how I was thinking about it. I think Tony b would've been great to win the war against NY.
I mean let's be honest ny has been poking at Jersey for a good while cuz they know they can.
The war was not preventable.
Killing Tony b only held it off a year or so.
That's where I get that if Ralph was around and Christopher and Tony b , those guys alone could've took down NY.
3:36 the part of the whole saga that a lot of people seem to forget. One of Tony's worst ever ideas (no way in hell was Johnny ever going to agree to a power sharing idea) that that lead to multiple deaths, both directly and indirectly. Tony HAD to kill or give up his cousin to make up for that blunder alone.
Anyways, to answer your question, yes, Tony made the best of a bad situation. But who knows what would have happened if the Feds hadn't raided Johnny Sack to effectively make Phil the acting boss of the family and divert his attention elsewhere.
My only criticism of your video was that you didn't include the best scene from during when Tony is trying to decide what to do about the situation and visits Paulie's house unannounced and finds the painting of Pie o My and himself made up to look like a general. The effect clearly spoke louder than words.
Tony did what he had to do in this situation. Tony B basically gave him no outs here with what he did and left Tony Soprano to deal with the stronger and angry New York Family as well as his own family being pissed that they were at risk financially and their well being with New York because of Tony protecting his cousin. Which they knew deep down he would probably not give them the same protection if they had done the same thing.
I feel like Tony S was checkmated in this situation. I don't think he had any other choice but to either eliminate Tony B himself or let Phil get to him. He could have let Tony B stay in hiding and hope he was never found but that was a big gamble and could have caused Tony S alot of trouble down the road with his own family and worse, with Phil and NY. That all went south anyhow later on but that's a whole other story.
Whatever happened there…
Turns out junior "went south" aswell!!
That's part of the great tragedy of it all. A couple of years in hiding, there wouldn't have been anyone in NY left to give a shit about whatever happened there
That’s not checkmate, that’s zugzwang. Tony S had an obligation to do something, but they were all losing outcomes
@paul-dq6lk I heard you were in the muff!
Based on what happened to Vito Tony absolutely gave blundetto the easy one way put
Tony Blundetto personified the leader ideal. Crazy but controlled. A man of action, the kind of guy who could take the Sopranos from a small fry outfit to greater heights. Tony tried very hard to maintain a balance with New York, realizing perhaps too much how much more powerful they were in reality. Blundetto would have blasted his way to prominence or an early grave. Tony recognized this and it certainly factored into his decision to kill him.
Hell no. He was even more impulsive than Tony.
Steve's character always has to die, it's a standard clause in his contract.
Nah. I thought of it when rewatching the series.
Here's the scenario. Tony has Sil get some goods together (guns, explosive, and unmarked van). He calls TB and tells him the plan, he'll send Chris with the van and goods to the farm, he'll call Johnny and give up TB's location.
When Phil and his guys show up, they'll go into the house. TB blows up the house and mop up any stragglers if they are still outside.
Next, stage is TB phones Tony and threatens to kill him. He goes back to Jersey and takes a shot Tony (hitting him non-lethally).
Tony then puts a price on TB's head. TB hides out at a safe house in North Carolina and waits for Chris to bring the money he promised. TB hops on a flight to Sicily to hangout with their "cousins" overseas.
They find someone of similar build to TB, kill him, and places his body in the van. Chris heads to IL, find a small town, pay off the coroner to say that the body is TB.
Tony can easily talk Johnny down, it was Phil who placed so much pressure on Johnny and Joey's death.
TB's punishment is ultimately exile, after faking his death. Maybe show up from time to time to do a clandestine hit or two.
Always with the scenarios
But would Johnny not figure it out or least suspect. He would have lost a top guy
i love this senerio, because phil is the cause everybody on the show died.
Issue is that people know who he is, so even if he were to run he would forever be hunted, much like Fredo they were dead man walking.
@@masterzombie161 not really. It was never stated if the Lupretasi Family had connections overseas. If you fake his death, then no one would be looking for a dead man.
Don't forget the rat Tony killed back in S1. He was literally hiding in their backyard, upstate NY, and no one even knew he was there.
Definitely could have gotten away with it.
I think Tony did the best he could. He obviously didn't want his cousin to die, let alone tortured to death. I think Tony did right. BTW, I still love your sense of humor. Cracks me up every video.
8:50
"... slipped on a shinebox, or something..."
Omg, you make me laugh!
He defied a direct order on a couple different occasions, not to mention operating out of pocket/unsanctioned against a stronger more powerful family and putting everyone else at extreme risk, only because of the chip on his shoulder about going to prison and tony being his cousin.
Had to go.
Love the delivery of your videos, the inside jokes and references. So funny and informative!!
Tony's hands were tied. Phil was out for blood, he even threatened Christopher's mom. Tony knew Phil wasn't gonna stop until Blundetto was dead, so Tony made the difficult decision to do it himself because he knew Phil and his guys wouldn't have done it cleanly.
All these cineranter Sopranos videos are fascinating. Just subscribed.
Idk what tony should have done, but I just want to say that your ability to sneak in the best lines from the show into your script is top tier.
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I'm addicted to this channel, man. It was supposed to be just one or two videos to keep me from getting bored while I worked. But UA-cam kept Recommending more.
Tony S said it himself: they’re soldiers, they take orders, they obey. And if you’re going to accept those steaks 🥩 then you gotta accept those consequences. The sit down with Johnny Sack was to tell Tony S to deliver Tony B, end of story.
Fantastic video as ever, Varsity athlete worthy!
Yup. Glad u mentioned how Tony floating the power sharing idea? Got everyone at the table not named Soprano killed! Because he blames his idea on Angelo. That always bothered me.
7:24 I’ve always said that animal would have absolutely taken Phil considering how obvious his approach to the house is. Animal had a reputation as a top hitman hence why NY hired him in the first place so Phil would have definitely lost that fight. So yeah, Tony saved Phil’s life weirdly enough.
It cracks me up in his videos every time he says "dysentery" instead of "dissention". It's as if the crew had all gone to Taco Bell for dinner.
best he could in a bad situation...tony b should of remained a civilian...he knew by gunning down made men from new york it could bring pressure on tony in jersey....regardless if he thought he was going to get caught or not...theirs always somebody lurking unawares and you can never really be sure of no eyes....if anything..tony b should of wore a disguise or drove a different type of car than ditched it....he screwed up by allowing it to come back to him in one way or another....tony b was missing that mob life...and those envelopes....
"More is lost by indecision than by wrong decision."
-Carmella Soprano
Thanks for the great work.👍
As I think about it, Tony needed to take Blundetto out swiftly before anyone could have said a thing or done anything, quick, fast and decisive. To wait and let things fester was his biggest mistake. The fact that he waited pretty much set the winds of war into motion later down the line, Phil wanted this guy badly and procrastinating only made things worse. If Tony was waiting he may have well gone to war and tried to take Phil out as soon as he could.. A real tough spot for Tony no doubt.
Tony made the best decision And played perfectly Even though it killed him to hurt his own cousin If he had Of given into Johnny sack He would be perceived as weak And they will keep pushing until they decidedly get rid of him all together
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Tony Killing his Cousin was definitely Better then Letting Phil Have Him for Tony B anyway.
I think it would have been Better for Jersey\ New York Relations if Tony would have Handed Him over. but then again at The end of the Series Phil was just looking for any Excuse to Go to the Mattresses and because of the size disparity things probably would have ended up the same way they did.
Tony B screwed up the Hit. he probably should have tried to get Closer instead of wasting all of his bullets from so far away.
what's Sad about Tony B is He was so close to making it away from That Life but His children had to make those comments and make him Feel as if He had no choice but to attempt the Hit.
Have you ever seen Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch? That would be a fantastic and rich source of content for future videos, as it's an amazingly layered and nuanced movie.
I think no matter what Phil would always be a problem - he had a 20 year chip on his shoulder.
This never would have happened if Kim could pronounce "West Caldwell."
Unless he had a mastermind plan, it was either kill him or go to war. I don't think he made a mistake, its just a fucked up situation all around.
Have you done a video about all the Jasons in the show?
Yes. He had to. Phil would never let it go, and he'd never get a green light on Phil. Maybe if some financial opportunity came up that Phil was obstructing with his vendetta, New York would get fed up. But that's something impossible to predict and would be ridiculous to plan around.
I love this channel like cheese of the Radiator.
Good analysis - forgot about the intricacies of Tony's Rubix cube....I did not know Mercedes made them.
Same thing with Vito Spatafore Tony was hiding him when Phil tried confronting Tony about his whereabouts Tony refused to cooperate and tried hiding him that caused Phil to find him first Torture Vito with that merciless beating and raming a pool cue up his ass If Tony would have took care of it Vito would not have suffered and Tony would not have lost the respect from New York and his own Crew. Most importantly there would not have been the war with New York that resulted in the death of Bobby and the coma of Silvio and eventually the demise of Tony. Tony is to blame for what happened because he failed to act when he was supposed to and he failed in the leadership role as Boss of his family
If he would have took care of Vito right away instead of telling Phil to mind his own business Phil wouldn't of ended up doing it himself and things would not have happened the way they did and business would of continued as normal and Bobby Silvio and Tony would have probably not been Killed The Vito Spatafore situation was the beginning of the end of the Soprano family
Your Carlo is spot on! Lol Hilarious 😂
I had a friend come home from prison and misjudged what type of time he was gonna be on. I was and still am so off. Like a whole new guy. I respect it too. Tony S didn't respect Tony B's decision
Tony and Tony take down the whole NY crew period!
VIDEO IDEA! “Who told Phil that Tony calls him ‘The Shah of Iran’?”
Peeps...it's a fu#kn nickname, his family name is Peparelli. One of the most inappropriate things I can't help but find funny. The way Tony's grilling Silvio and just seeing "Peeps" on the tombstone 😅
That jason, he was a dyslexic after all
I always thought it was hilarious that Phil shows up by himself to a house where a mobster is hiding out for his life. Absolutely zero guarantee Phil comes out on top.
"Dysentery" in the ranks hahaha ... Good one!
He uses that in practically every video😂😂
Tony should got blundetto to do the Jackie Gleason mambo impression for Phil as compensation, GET OUT GETT OUUUUT. Thats how it should've been solved imo.
more like that Animal Tony BlunDYSENTERY
I love the non-stop references, it's like having a Sopranos version of r/okbuddychicanery in my ear
Shine box reference - well done. 😂😂
How can you say that ANIMAL’s name so often? Your heart must be made of stone!
Tony B was lucky to get taken out quickly.
Slipped on a shinebox😂😂😂
He should’ve had him take out Phil before he took out Tony B
You mention this being a moment people use for an example of Tony being a bad boss. Can you do a video discussing how bad of a boss Tony is or isn’t ? I guess in comparison to other bosses in the show in ranking them to see where Tony lines up
He likely took it upon himself to mercifully off him, as he knew that if Phil and his crew got him, it would be a much harsher death
Listening to this video made my mind do the strangest connection: Between this and the death of Dumbledore in Harry Potter. There is a discussion in the seventh book taking place before the event where him and Snape discuss the pros and cons on who has to kill him. They know Draco is ordered top do it and Snape has to at least make the attempt of helping him as to not come off as suspicious (which is also something he's promised Draco's mother to do), however they both know that this will deeply traumatize Draco and ruin his life, but not allowing his plan to succeed would lead to his death as a punishment to his father's failings. The other Deatheaters in Draco's team are psychopaths who will likely torture him, so Snape has to put him out of his misery.
46 years old he was just a kid
It was actually the most cleverly cunning move that Tony Soprano did as boss. Setting Feech up for parole violation was the second most clever.
Great video but do some more Carlitos Way videos that movie doesn't get enough analysis or reviews
If Tony made an error it was not having Phil clipped sooner.
His major flaw as a boss was allowing clearly dangerous, volatile people like Richie, Ralph and even Chris poison the well.
Like he tells Ralph he's known for having bad tendencies but he empathises because he has them too. He lets himself be surrounded by the toxicity that he can relate to, and not just when it comes to associates either.
He's always too late to recognise what a threat they are while we the audience sees it a mile away. Empathy might be the only positive emotion he was capable of, and ironically it's his biggest weakness.
I like the angle of giving up Tony then tipping him off. Resulting in Tony B becoming bait to whack Phil in self defense.
HOW CAN I BUY TONY'S SHIRT ON 0:55 ?
You pay for it I would guess. Probably would have to pay some tax on it as well which can vary depending on where you are from
How bout some videos on Sons of Anarchy???
The "animal Blundetto" actually makes sense if you think about.
Tony B goes ballistic and kills high ranking mafia members which causes huge problems for the gang and Tony is forced to take care of the situation.
Just like a rabid animal who starts attacking people and you need to put him down, you don't want to do this and you feel bad about it but you have to do that, just like how Tony had to kill his own cousin.
It's a very interesting parallel.
Nice little hint about Phil slipping on his “shine box” Phil got a bad beating in Good Fellas 😂
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I would have gave Tony b information where Johnny sack side of the argument was and let them duke it out
The main error to me is leaving a dead body on a porch for New York to stumble upon. They are in no position to go into the unknown not knowing. I know it's rural but wtf...anyone could of rolled up on that before Phil gets there. If I was New York I'd be more pissed now Tony sent Phil into that situation
Sammy The Bull Gravano got into a situation like this. He was a captain at the time and one of his soldiers killed a Lucchese soldier. He got caught and was tied up in the basement. Sammy sent a few of his guys over to confirm the story. The Gambino did not lie and told the guys what happened and why. But then the Gambinos left him there to be beaten and tortured to death.
Sammy was fucking furious!!! He told his men that they should have taken the guy with them because he was a Gambino so his own family would have handled it with honor!
The fucking Luccheses with Gaspipe being one of them tortured the poor guy all night!!!
My point is, Tony was 100% correct to do it himself or anyone else in his family. When you start torturing people for breaking rules, you are no longer La Cosa Nostra! You are Al Qaeda or ISIS.
Vito loved the pool cue.
Having recently re-watched this stuff, I can think of only one other way this could have turned out: The only way out of a tunnel is through it.
Tony Soprano should have used Tony B as a way to take out the troublesome Phil Leotardo - focused and surgical this time. If Phil is stalking the NJ guys, looking for revenge, then reverse it. Surveillance on Phil and when the time is right, send Tony B to do it with the best possible targeting.
If Tony B dies in the attempt, he dies likely by Phil's hands and the revenge is satisfied. If Phil dies, the hit Tony B originally tried is completed, and one who wants revenge is gone. It's darwinistic.
Would NYC be pissed? Yes, but mainly Johnny Sack, who will have just lost his most fearsome right hand man at a time when Johnny still needed to worry about coming out above Carmine Jr. And if it's still going to be war, that war starts with Johnny Sack already in a bad position.
Given what actually happens later, it's clear that Phil was the real danger / problem to the NJ family, so that could have been avoided if he was removed earlier.
Besides, if Tony B had actually taken out The Shah, we could've nicknamed him Ayatollah Blundetto. 😈
I thought that Johnny and Phil were out of control from the start, and were breaking a lot of rules with their war against Carmine Jr. I think the actual right thing to do would have been to get rid of both of them. Everyone was so afraid of the NY mob, but when we actually get to see them, they are a bunch of old men and misfits. I didn't see them as formidable.
Tony should have gave up Tony B. and turned his back. Yeah he felt shame for what happened to Tony B. and it being his fault. But as we know of any crime family activity blood isn’t always thicker than water and Tony B. stepped out…..totally unacceptable.
If Tony S. had given Tony B. up, Tony B. would have been tortured and admitted killing Joe Peeps. This would mean that Johnny Sack would have known that Tony S. lied to him about being with Tony B. at the time of the killing. Tony S. was also protecting himself by not giving up Tony B.
i loved the way carlo 😂😂😂😂😂said "hes got gooo"
Phil’s a made guy the jersey guys would be fucked if they set it up
Richie, Feech, Animal B - everyone who gets out of the can gives Tony agita
Tony handled it by the book. Bosses are supposed to handle their own families, not hand soldiers over to other bosses. Tony B broke the rules and his boss carried out fair retribution
Yes. And twice on Sunday. Anthony Jr., too.
Great analysis and narration of animal blundetto and parade float Tony uncle Johnny
Tony taking out tony B was the best case situation, at this point. You are right he should have done it sooner. Although giving him to Phil, would not have been bad though too. Phil showed up to the house with just a gun and on a cane by himself. I think that ether himself or Johnny sac talked him out of torture, with what he had that night killing tony B would have to be quick and not endanger himself, but tony giving up his family (even though he is not even a made guy) would have made him look weak, and would have the rest of his crew asking themselves who is next.
This is the real ending to Nucky Thompson.
Isn't it also possible that Tony made up the whole torture thing when talking to his family as a strategy to justify his hesitency to give up Tony B beyond just nepotism. Like I totally believe Phil would request that, but the whole torture thing is only attested by what Tony says IIRC.