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  • @mariamavi6769
    @mariamavi6769 17 днів тому +232

    We has tiktok ceo questioned in court, a telegram founder being held in prison.
    But, the zuck guy is not charged even when he is stealing of personal data.

    • @svetlanak7766
      @svetlanak7766 17 днів тому +12

      “Stealing” is sharing with we all know who with.

    • @sabinereynaudsf
      @sabinereynaudsf 17 днів тому

      Zuckerberg has been sued in Europe many times. Telegram's encryption protects criminals.

    • @h2611
      @h2611 17 днів тому +21

      That’s because he’s cooperating with the state

    • @user-vu9es1we8y
      @user-vu9es1we8y 17 днів тому

      That’s cos zuck is a zionist

    • @altruism123
      @altruism123 17 днів тому +12

      Zionism

  • @TesfayeAman
    @TesfayeAman 17 днів тому +280

    Is the detention aimed at forcing him to render Western Governments backdoor access to surveillance?

    • @thomaskim3128
      @thomaskim3128 17 днів тому +22

      Every western telecom equipment and apps have CIA/NSA/Mi5-6 built in backdoors.

    • @Ricardo-lb4so
      @Ricardo-lb4so 17 днів тому +12

      CIA old school approach

    • @TheGonzogibby
      @TheGonzogibby 17 днів тому

      The Kremlin wanted in, he Emigrated - the west want in … he has nowhere to go now.
      Tl;dr: yes.

    • @davidabode5895
      @davidabode5895 17 днів тому

      Western governments suck. Shariah law is the way to go. Freedom with shariah

    • @akl4709
      @akl4709 17 днів тому +8

      Well it must be to making the backdoor access. Currently it doesn't exist. Encryption end to end means the door doesn't exist

  • @GoodlifeInvestor
    @GoodlifeInvestor 17 днів тому +244

    Based on this logic shouldn’t cell phone company owners be charged as criminals use them?

    • @Maliceless100
      @Maliceless100 17 днів тому

      Law enforcement can get search warrants from judges for phone tapping and texts.

    • @arefkr
      @arefkr 17 днів тому +15

      All Telco companies allow access to comms records to the government.

    • @VoteForBukele
      @VoteForBukele 17 днів тому +2

      You really should never invoke the word “logic” in your life ever again. You are objectively bad at it. Don’t get it at all. 😢

    • @nsjx
      @nsjx 17 днів тому +1

      yeah, it is That ridiculous. don't heed the troll.

    • @xtradi
      @xtradi 17 днів тому

      @@nsjx If a product (telegram) being used for crime, the company producing it is also responsible. Telegram can be changed to any other product in this case, phone car, tortilla, beer, etc

  • @Sibogi33
    @Sibogi33 17 днів тому +60

    Based on this logic every single mobile network provider should be arrested for allowing criminals to use their networks for criminal activities.

    • @franciscouderq1100
      @franciscouderq1100 17 днів тому

      If they don’t cooperate with police investigations, yes

    • @pearpo
      @pearpo 17 днів тому

      What if elements embedded in the police are bullies?
      Tyrants?
      Get people murdered?

    • @Sibogi33
      @Sibogi33 16 днів тому +1

      @@franciscouderq1100
      Don’t you think that’s dangerous? Where does it stop?
      Let’s just have every agency on the planet place every human being under surveillance.
      What could go wrong?

    • @dopemusic6414
      @dopemusic6414 16 днів тому +1

      @@Sibogi33already happens

    • @Sibogi33
      @Sibogi33 16 днів тому

      @@dopemusic6414
      Who?

  • @hlonipenn6155
    @hlonipenn6155 17 днів тому +95

    So therefore... WhatsApp is not private

    • @chrisc9725
      @chrisc9725 17 днів тому +21

      Ofcourse not, Facebook uses all the WhatsApp data. There is no such thing as a free app. If the app is free then the user is the revenue.

    • @arefkr
      @arefkr 17 днів тому +1

      Meta gives your information to your government as well as data analysis companies where your data is used to develop marketing solutions etc. WhatsApp, Facebook and Instagram are absolutely not safe.

    • @arefkr
      @arefkr 17 днів тому +1

      @@chrisc9725 Absolutely. I removed all my social media apps, some of which I had for 15 years, because I don't want to be productised anymore. It's crazy that we spend our time on social media apps for free so somone like Mark Sugarburg make billions out of it.

    • @benjaminlibertarianscorpio
      @benjaminlibertarianscorpio 17 днів тому +6

      WhatsApp is not private

    • @UTubeISphere
      @UTubeISphere 17 днів тому +1

      The user is the product - same for Tesla and similar companies

  • @mihaelatudor2417
    @mihaelatudor2417 17 днів тому +30

    Let's close down all roads. They could be used by criminals 😮

  • @nosheenaslam9399
    @nosheenaslam9399 17 днів тому +69

    Because he refuses to be puppet of governments and share its users private informations

    • @franciscouderq1100
      @franciscouderq1100 17 днів тому

      If it was only that . In fact he refused to complied with repeated demands for some sort of self restrictions to abide French laws. French laws about freedom of expression are not as lax as n the USA and it s a good thing. This is also why the US is in such terrible state.

    • @franciscouderq1100
      @franciscouderq1100 17 днів тому

      No he refused to co-operate with actual official investigations

    • @KatyYoder-cq1kc
      @KatyYoder-cq1kc 16 днів тому +1

      Me too

    • @herlandercarvalho
      @herlandercarvalho 15 днів тому

      If he is aware of criminal activity taking place on his platform, then yes, he is legally bound to do so, otherwise he is an accomplice to a crime.

    • @albeon81
      @albeon81 15 днів тому +1

      @@franciscouderq1100as an American I will make the choice of freedom over security. If you want to be told what you can and can’t say good for you and the French people. France or the EU has no say in what companies outside of Europe do. Let’s be honest you guys will probably be an Islamic caliphate within the next few decades anyway. I think Pavlov was stupid to go to France in the first place but I agree with telegram defending privacy. I will not be scarred into giving up freedom by authoritarians and those that lick their boots.

  • @shaihaanx
    @shaihaanx 17 днів тому +200

    Privacy is not crime

    • @badgrandmatv
      @badgrandmatv 17 днів тому +12

      it is in the present time because we have entered dystopia

    • @jallohhassan
      @jallohhassan 17 днів тому

      @@badgrandmatv

    • @justinkirkman4918
      @justinkirkman4918 17 днів тому +11

      If someone is raping children and hiding their actions behind privacy, are you still sure they are entitled to protection?

    • @leoncutajar1369
      @leoncutajar1369 17 днів тому

      @@justinkirkman4918 According to the people on Epstein's list who have never been reveled for obvious reasons, yes.

    • @1Matik_
      @1Matik_ 17 днів тому

      @@justinkirkman4918people use telegram to rape children ?

  • @hannaray9081
    @hannaray9081 17 днів тому +147

    Of all that has been said, one thing struck me: if Pavel Durov were to be found guilty for the way in which the user illegally uses the product he offers, then all gun manufacturers should be condemned in the same way when the user illegally uses the product they offer. It is exactly the same situation, only the product offered changes.

    • @websitemartian
      @websitemartian 17 днів тому +1

      no.

    • @racerx3667
      @racerx3667 17 днів тому +12

      @@websitemartian yes

    • @manoalex6575
      @manoalex6575 17 днів тому

      Nonsense..Remember..The pen has been replaced by these Evil platforms..They should shut down all Social media platforms complete...X...Telegram... WhatsApp etc...Total...most evil.. unethical and dangerous platforms...it's just a robbery and these so called hitech youth need to find other jobs...

    • @fry_me
      @fry_me 17 днів тому +9

      Then do we drag the CEO before the courts when a driver of a car brand rampages through a crowded square? It's a slippery slope.

    • @fry_me
      @fry_me 17 днів тому +6

      That's the slippery slope isn't it. Do we drag a car manufacturers CEO before the courts when a lunatic plows through a crowded mall? Are they responsible for harm caused? Cigarette companies, ladder manufacturers etc, etc.

  • @mikecohen2400
    @mikecohen2400 17 днів тому +20

    The French really don’t have a case, you can not hold a CEO responsible for what some one does on an encrypted platform, with close to a Billion users, if the activity is encrypted, they have no way to monitor it. This is French over reach.

    • @Iskander448
      @Iskander448 17 днів тому +1

      The only at they could have a case is if the issue had been previously raised with this CEO. My money is on a big fat ‘No’.

    • @herlandercarvalho
      @herlandercarvalho 15 днів тому

      Dude, Pavel acknowledged publicly that he knew that criminal activity was taking place on Telegram! By doing so, he has immediately become an accomplice, at the very least!

    • @shadowban581
      @shadowban581 14 днів тому

      @@herlandercarvalho then what about kiwi farms the owner does the exact same thing?

  • @tnluvais2699
    @tnluvais2699 17 днів тому +104

    Indeed it's double standards.

  • @LaurentPerche
    @LaurentPerche 17 днів тому +23

    If telegram is culprit of facilitating criminal communication, why are the Mobile Telecommunication companies that are facilitating the same communication by providing connectivity to Telegram users not culprit as well?

    • @chari---zard
      @chari---zard 17 днів тому +2

      Because telegram is encrypted and Durov doesn't want to share keys with the governments

    • @chari---zard
      @chari---zard 17 днів тому +2

      I mean because telegram has actual privacy, whereas everything else doesn't

    • @Iskander448
      @Iskander448 17 днів тому

      @@chari---zardPrivacy is a myth. Telegram like every other corporation has been benefiting from its user data. Don’t be deceived.

    • @KatyYoder-cq1kc
      @KatyYoder-cq1kc 16 днів тому +1

      Yes

    • @herlandercarvalho
      @herlandercarvalho 15 днів тому

      The issue is not to facilitate, the issue is, Pavel knowing that criminal activity was taking place. Same thing goes for any company. If your mobile provider is aware that criminal activity is taking place on their network, and chooses to do nothing about it, then immediately is committing a crime. Surely you must have heard about the concept of being an accomplice right? Pavel knew about it AND publicly stated as much!

  • @RedEyeFish1
    @RedEyeFish1 17 днів тому +38

    Political reasons....Why was Huawei CFO held in Canada .....Same reason ..always Political at the behest of G7.

    • @jburron
      @jburron 17 днів тому +1

      And it’s a tool of the State. Don’t forget that.

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому

      Well, Huawei was allegedly actively collecting data and putting backdoors in their equipment.

  • @Ro-oot
    @Ro-oot 17 днів тому +19

    When Russia criticizes lack of freedom of speech you know you’re in trouble 😂

    • @MakateRapulana
      @MakateRapulana 15 днів тому +2

      ask Assange about freedom of speech in the US

  • @DrinkTheKoolAid62
    @DrinkTheKoolAid62 17 днів тому +16

    You always know when the arrest of a famous rich person is illegitimate - they serve an arrest warrant rather than ask them to come in for questioning

  • @Vorname_Nachnahme
    @Vorname_Nachnahme 17 днів тому +38

    So the logical consequence: Privacy equals criminality.
    Wow! ... Oo

    • @herlandercarvalho
      @herlandercarvalho 15 днів тому

      No, this has nothing to do with privacy, this has to do with the fact that Pavel was very well aware that criminal activity was taking place on his platform, and chose to be an accomplice to those crimes. It's not rocket science, surely you can understand that... Oh and btw, Pavel admitted back in 2015, that he knew that ISIS was using Telegram to plot the Paris terrorist attack!

  • @sognatore6199
    @sognatore6199 17 днів тому +36

    Free Durov!

  • @ianmoyer5332
    @ianmoyer5332 17 днів тому +38

    Why does literallly every media organization compare Telegram to Meta or X and not Signal or Session? This whole segment makes no sense at all.

    • @TheGonzogibby
      @TheGonzogibby 17 днів тому

      Signal is basically Israeli - need I say more?

    • @isnotmimi
      @isnotmimi 17 днів тому

      I don't use any social media so don't really understand, what is the difference between them?

    • @keigreencap9192
      @keigreencap9192 17 днів тому +2

      But yet you are socialising on media 🤣

    • @ayemmi
      @ayemmi 17 днів тому

      because this framing let’s them spin it the way they want
      If you state that Telegram private groups are identical to WhatsApp private groups in terms of end-to-end encryption and hence absence of moderation in both (like in any other messenger with end-to-end encryption for that matter) then discussion boils down to who owns those apps? All other major Social and Messaging apps are US owned (except TIkTok which experienced a lot of pressure as well)
      opening this story by saying “the only 2 non-US social & messaging apps out of the top 10 are being targeted by the governments in US and Europe including detention of its CEO” then the whole discusión and narrative will look very different to how those self-proclaimed experts are trying to spin it
      Also, in terms of apps popularity “the experts” should check their data as Telegram is the most downloaded app in a number of regions (not in the countries where those experts live though), and 4th most popular messaging app worldwide (ahead of SnapChat). Chris saying something along the lines “Telegram isn’t used much at all and this is why it should be primary targets for heavy moderation” doesn’t make much sense - why would anyone bother moderating something which no one uses?!

    • @tatianalyulkin410
      @tatianalyulkin410 17 днів тому

      Because I had no idea Zuckerberg was " personally responsible " for every hateful post and every death threat clan Tsarev's been receiving since 2014. " We're gonna torture your Zakharchenko and make you watch. " How do you like them apples? But it never occurred to me to blame Zuckerberg personally!

  • @Jacob-gi3md
    @Jacob-gi3md 17 днів тому +27

    In France, you will be arrested for free speech, but you will be rewarded for blasphemy.

  • @PradeepShantha-m4n
    @PradeepShantha-m4n 17 днів тому +5

    Why can't the authorities work with him in order to catch these people if child trafficking and terrorist activities they are after? So before social media, these criminals who have used, phones, mail, to operate their activities. Did you arrest Ceo's of phone service providers and the post office?

    • @gilaliz1970
      @gilaliz1970 17 днів тому

      Great response!

    • @user-ns7xr5fq1i
      @user-ns7xr5fq1i 11 днів тому +2

      Because it's a lame reason, the actual reason is political. They want to hush the voices that they don't like

  • @moudzy1446
    @moudzy1446 17 днів тому +16

    This appears to be yet another attempt to curtail the fundamental right to freedom of speech. However, I remain confident that the public will continually seek and find ways to circumvent such governmental restrictions.

    • @helenpauls1496
      @helenpauls1496 17 днів тому

      He can say what ever he wants, but the distribution of child abuse images and drug trafficking must be stopped.

    • @leoncutajar1369
      @leoncutajar1369 17 днів тому

      @@helenpauls1496 Has anyone on Epstein's list been apprehended yet?

    • @lf4911
      @lf4911 17 днів тому

      Do you think by arresting Durov all those crimes will stop and criminals will disappear? No, they wil go to another free platform. So then what? Will authorities arrest every CEO of free messaging app?​@helenpauls1496

    • @herlandercarvalho
      @herlandercarvalho 15 днів тому

      @@helenpauls1496 Also, he has publicly admitted back in 2015 that he knew that ISIS was using Telegram to plot the Paris 2015 attack. He is, by his own admission, at the very least, an accomplice.

  • @dimatadore
    @dimatadore 15 днів тому +2

    Governments need to stay out of our business.

  • @placeswelive5388
    @placeswelive5388 17 днів тому +7

    France, you continue embarrassing yourself.

  • @cauwenberghsroeland8607
    @cauwenberghsroeland8607 17 днів тому +30

    "Orange" is a culprit too : telephones have been used in crime, hostages, ..., you can talk in code... raaispap, dialect for rijstpap , in dutch, means riceporridge... could mean "the money". Zua raaispap. Zua, lingala, take. ..If you have codes like that ... who will understand ? Marroons, by tradition, have a lot of words that only Marroons of the same clan can learn if initiated... No need for telegram you can pass the message in the office of the police...
    So...
    And we have heard that some robbers act with cars. The owners of participations in Volkswagen and Fiat should be arrested for that crime !
    .... Decadence...

    • @Maliceless100
      @Maliceless100 17 днів тому

      Law enforcement can get search warrants from judges for phone tapping and text histories.

  • @davidvod8406
    @davidvod8406 17 днів тому +4

    Ok so if there are criminals meeting in a pub it means that the owner of the pub is also responsible right?

  • @malikamasimova7631
    @malikamasimova7631 17 днів тому +2

    French do not allow UAE or Russia embassy employees access to Pavel. Practically, violating international law and denying his acccess to legal defence.

  • @eon4901
    @eon4901 17 днів тому +3

    Love the pushback from the journalist. Great line of questioning

  • @aboucard93
    @aboucard93 17 днів тому +39

    This has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with going after average citizens who organize protest against their governments. Crime has been around forever and this action is unprecedented

    • @Maliceless100
      @Maliceless100 17 днів тому

      France of all countries is not anti- protest

    • @justinkirkman4918
      @justinkirkman4918 17 днів тому

      This is an investigation to get answers to some questions. Don't make this more than it is.

    • @JoejamJam3
      @JoejamJam3 16 днів тому +1

      France is not dem9cratic ,but have populations of low intelligence brain.low self steem. Self hate society. Guilt ridden government. France army are the most cowardice army in the world

  • @grizzlypatttums6945
    @grizzlypatttums6945 17 днів тому +10

    Is Maria Butina the best person to talk about.. anything?
    She is leterally an intelligence officer for the FSB.

    • @Iskander448
      @Iskander448 17 днів тому

      Same thought here. Why arrest a proven Russian agent who was linked to the controversies surrounding the US 2016 election.

    • @TheUncannyObserver
      @TheUncannyObserver 17 днів тому +1

      That in and of itself doesn't make her arguments better or worse. An arguments logical value isn't determined by the person making it.

  • @A_L_Namer
    @A_L_Namer 17 днів тому +51

    # Free Povel

  • @Desyo-wn7ib
    @Desyo-wn7ib 16 днів тому +2

    Where do I know a story similar to this 😂😂😂
    Frédéric Pierucci (born 14 January 1968) is a French business manager and a former senior executive for Alstom, who was accused of willful blindness to corporate corruption by the United States Department of Justice[1] and was arrested and detained in the United States from 2013 to 2014. He is the author of the book The American Trap: My Battle to Expose America’s Secret Economic War Against the Rest of the World, an autobiography that chronicles his experience throughout the legal ordeal.

  • @marytouafek6
    @marytouafek6 17 днів тому +25

    The weapons industry should be arrested too for complicity for everyone killed by a firearm. The French government has lost its mind, while internal affairs wanting macron out of office. They are so desperate for work, while French people are struggling with their own lives.

    • @franciscouderq1100
      @franciscouderq1100 17 днів тому +1

      You are a very confused individual.

    • @dopemusic6414
      @dopemusic6414 16 днів тому

      @@franciscouderq1100😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤

    • @MissRed92837
      @MissRed92837 16 днів тому

      Why are French people struggling with their lives?

    • @KatyYoder-cq1kc
      @KatyYoder-cq1kc 16 днів тому +1

      Correct

    • @herlandercarvalho
      @herlandercarvalho 15 днів тому

      You are aware that Pavel, back in 2015, publicly admitted that he was aware that Telegram was being used by ISIS, to plot the Paris terror attack... right???

  • @barbthegreat586
    @barbthegreat586 17 днів тому +10

    I'm so happy that the Russians are teaching me freedom of speech.

  • @rhys5567
    @rhys5567 17 днів тому +3

    What a disgustingly illiberal and consorous discussion. Absolutely foul and authoritarian. Do you have locks on your doors? Ban curtains next?

  • @michellesaunders5958
    @michellesaunders5958 17 днів тому +4

    Orwell was off by 40 years

  • @A_L_Namer
    @A_L_Namer 17 днів тому +43

    # Free Durov

  • @Lightbringer11.11
    @Lightbringer11.11 17 днів тому +12

    Arrested for what? My privacy? Our privacy? We use telegram only because it offers privacy unlike meta messenger and other platforms. And it’s my practice of freedom. It’s my right. This man got arrested because of my right ? What a shame

    • @sabinereynaudsf
      @sabinereynaudsf 17 днів тому +2

      Are you ok with graphic children material being distributed for your freedom?

    • @EdVelas-y5u
      @EdVelas-y5u 17 днів тому

      ​@@sabinereynaudsfthen in that case they need to arrest Zuckerberg too, this is all about israhel.

    • @mar-a-lagofbibug8833
      @mar-a-lagofbibug8833 16 днів тому

      They always use the kids excuss to remove freedoms.

    • @MissRed92837
      @MissRed92837 16 днів тому +1

      The problem is crime groups using telegram to communicate and to organize crime.

    • @cathbelle5096
      @cathbelle5096 14 днів тому

      Why do you need so much privacy? What to hide ? ..Your rights end at the rights of children to be protected...don't you agree ?

  • @inkipinki8468
    @inkipinki8468 17 днів тому +3

    What about the crimes of Genocide they need to face justice ‼️

  • @rvbvbaservices
    @rvbvbaservices 17 днів тому +3

    a quality discussion again from Al Jazeera

  • @shaheedaessack6142
    @shaheedaessack6142 17 днів тому +38

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

    • @remogatron1010
      @remogatron1010 17 днів тому +1

      Free Sudan!

    • @justinkirkman4918
      @justinkirkman4918 17 днів тому

      Great idea! What's your plan? This occupation is not new.

    • @remogatron1010
      @remogatron1010 17 днів тому

      @@justinkirkman4918 Why has the world ignored Sudan for Palestine? Why are black Africans always ignored? Why no Palestine type marches for Sudan? Sudan has war, genocide, famine, disease and many other worse problems far worse than Gaza.

  • @allanhansford8718
    @allanhansford8718 14 днів тому +1

    Holding Pavel Durov responsible for what people do or say on his platform is like holding the head of the BBC responsible for the actions of Jimmy Savile.

  • @dianafernandez4018
    @dianafernandez4018 16 днів тому +1

    Brasil just had a similar case with X and to avoid jail the company decided to close offices in Brazil

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому

      And Brasil arrested SpaceX's accounts.
      Viva da Silva! Hope for democracy for all the world! 😂😂😂

  • @sueanngrant
    @sueanngrant 17 днів тому +3

    How do print media editor letters compare. Would an editor be held responsible for printing a contentious letter from a reader?

    • @Iskander448
      @Iskander448 17 днів тому

      They would if there is no disclaimer.

  • @Vapmod710
    @Vapmod710 15 днів тому +2

    Can’t believe I’m watching a foreign governments state media, but it’s better than mine lmaooo

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому

      That's always like this.
      RT critiques the US better then the US media, BBC and CNN do a better job critiquing Russia then their local.
      That's why globalization is evil.

  • @jamm8284
    @jamm8284 17 днів тому +2

    The example of weapons manufacturing is a good point. Why are you held responsible for private messages through your app but companies that make guns and bombs that are used to commit crimes against humanity are legit 🤦🏻‍♂️
    It's like arresting the person who sold you the pen that you used to write your manifesto with.

  • @RussXodare
    @RussXodare 17 днів тому +3

    They have to arrest every single telecom head... After all, all criminals make phone calls...

  • @retroboomer3197
    @retroboomer3197 17 днів тому +6

    You've got to let the government control what you can say and hear. You can trust them. Just look at the corporations that already doing it. Aren't they benevolent? Surely you can give them the power they need to "protect" you and keep you "safe", right?

  • @chari---zard
    @chari---zard 17 днів тому +2

    Between moderator responsibilities, free speech, praising hitler and regulations is a question of philosophy, epistemology, and philosophers should be actively excersiizng their discipline through seminars. Govt should take those into acccount, and not impose contradictory laws and make outrageous arressts before that.

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому

      And they shouldn't write vague laws.
      What is "moderation"? If the platform closes one CSAM group a week out of thousands -- is that enough?
      If they find and report 999 out of 1000?
      But someone might claim that the latter is still reluctant moderation.
      As for replying to police requests, it's the same thing. If it's say 10 legitimate requests a day -- platform might easily do it, but what if there're thousands and half of it are direct requests without court order? Should the platform even entertain that illegitimate half?

  • @s-code-b
    @s-code-b 17 днів тому +2

    Just simple common folk head-scratching here. If governments already have evidence to allege that the app is being used in the commission of criminal activity, what further need is there to gain a backdoor access to the app's contents? They already have the evidence. Then just leverage the supposed evidence against the actual perpetrators of the unlawful acts. There is actually NO FURTHER NEED for access to the app.

    • @lesabooth5243
      @lesabooth5243 16 днів тому

      It's a made up story that's why.

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому

      in theory even if you have evidence you have to link account to a person.
      On top of it, it's reasonable assumption that police might get some more evidence from secret chats of a known criminal and find their accomplices.

  • @botman7409
    @botman7409 17 днів тому +7

    It's either privacy or no privacy. Stop this Western hypocrisy.

    • @justinkirkman4918
      @justinkirkman4918 17 днів тому

      As long as children get abused and media of the abuse is shared and guns/drugs are trafficked we will never have privacy. In my view, privacy should be earned through good moral standing and is not a fundamental human right

    • @chari---zard
      @chari---zard 17 днів тому +2

      ​@@justinkirkman4918what is the moral imperative and how do we calculate who deserves privacy?

    • @botman7409
      @botman7409 16 днів тому +1

      @@justinkirkman4918 Crimes don't logically lead to the conclusion that privacy must be stripped off. People livestream crimes like mass shootings on Facebook, giving up privacy doesn’t stop these crimes. The issues you brought up are related to safety and law enforcement, not privacy.
      Your idea suggests that as long as crimes exist, no one should have privacy but it confuses the relationship between crime and privacy. Saying that only those with "good moral standing" deserve privacy raises serious ethical issues. Who gets to decide what’s considered "good"? If privacy is only for "good" people, it will be unfairly taken away from others. Have you thought about how this reasoning could justify invasive surveillance or discrimination, giving the government the power to judge "morality"? You sound like you’d be best suited to live in China.

  • @sashamcdonald4697
    @sashamcdonald4697 17 днів тому +28

    And why do we care what Elon Musk says? And Why is it in the lead?

    • @LadieKadie
      @LadieKadie 17 днів тому +1

      What’s your problem with free speech there Stalin?

    • @KletoReese
      @KletoReese 17 днів тому +3

      Because Elon is the "defender of free speech"

    • @Iskander448
      @Iskander448 17 днів тому

      @@LadieKadieHave you paid attention to what Elon does? He only believes in free speech when it benefits him.

    • @Infinity-and-Beyond.011
      @Infinity-and-Beyond.011 17 днів тому +4

      Elon plays both sides be careful in the illusion

    • @JoejamJam3
      @JoejamJam3 16 днів тому

      Elon is double pigs

  • @fahimyasin6511
    @fahimyasin6511 17 днів тому +24

    He's the wrong ethnicity. Like TikTok, must be forced to sell to the right one

    • @Native_soul321
      @Native_soul321 17 днів тому

      It seems Benjamin Nethanyahu is the right one too

  • @xingxing85
    @xingxing85 17 днів тому +11

    The ceo is incredibly good looking . I can imagine him in a Hollywood movie

  • @juniormolefe3046
    @juniormolefe3046 17 днів тому +9

    Gun manufacturers accordingly will have to be arrested for complicity

    • @herlandercarvalho
      @herlandercarvalho 15 днів тому

      If they are aware that a crime is being committed, then yes, that is the definition of complicity. In this case, Pavel was very much aware, so yes, he is complicit. Questions?

  • @fayzullohdushanbe8558
    @fayzullohdushanbe8558 17 днів тому +7

    He hurt IsraHell

  • @yoviferial1667
    @yoviferial1667 17 днів тому +3

    Iron dome is paranoid at it's peak.

  • @StorytimeIST
    @StorytimeIST 13 днів тому +2

    Didn't the US Navy invent the dark web? Lets have them all arrested 🎉

  • @marioshipp4810
    @marioshipp4810 16 днів тому +1

    We have to draw the line at the exploitation of children. Refusing to assist law enforcement while simultaneously providing aid and comfort to the criminals just doesn't seem right

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому

      We have to draw a line what is "assistance" and under which conditions it can be demanded by LEOs.
      In my book it's fine if police go to a jydge with a case that their agent had a chat with this account user and it looks like he's into CSAM distribution, please give us court order to get info on that account and possibly their chats from the messaging app.
      That is totally fine.
      On the other hand police might demand let's say all the data and all the chats of all users in certain group cause they suspect one member of said group in CSAM or extremism or whatever.
      In that case they should pound dust.
      I guess we'd have to wait till the court trials to see the evidence and judge for ourselves.
      As at this point government or police saying something doesn't mean shyte on it's own.

  • @gboete
    @gboete 17 днів тому +2

    Now they can arrest every founder, CEO or investor in every sector like weapon industry, car, alcohol…. Because all of these products can be used and misused for criminal or bad things that happen. Do these directors bear responsibility if weapons are used in terroristic actions, in war, in robberies…. Or if people are driving cars too fast, killing people in accidents is the producer of the car then responsible? Or the one that produces wine or alcohol, if a drunken man has a deadly accident ? How can Pavel be responsible for the content on telegram ??

  • @kevanhess2105
    @kevanhess2105 14 днів тому +1

    Freedom of speech yes ....Freedom of criminal activity no .

  • @marvinfok65
    @marvinfok65 15 днів тому +1

    Durov left Russia because of Freedom. He was not arrested in Russia, but he was arrested in France again for wanting Freedom in messaging.

    • @kabzaify
      @kabzaify 15 днів тому

      A lot of this liberal Russians will learn the hard way 😂😂😂😂

  • @malikamasimova7631
    @malikamasimova7631 17 днів тому +1

    If someone kills using knife, all knife producers should be arrested?

  • @SpineGevity
    @SpineGevity 10 днів тому

    telecom, automobile, and postal executives might also be in trouble by such government regulations. If bad people use a certain cell phone, drive a certain automobile, or send a letter - this is truly a slippery slope

  • @StorytimeIST
    @StorytimeIST 13 днів тому +1

    The American government is already making plans for extraordinary rendition to get him on a black site ship in international waters😅

  • @StorytimeIST
    @StorytimeIST 13 днів тому +1

    Why isn't Apple's directors in jail then? They refused to unlock the Boston marathon bombers phone? Or did we all forget about that?

  • @TGWazoo1
    @TGWazoo1 17 днів тому +2

    Telegram is NOT comparable to X or Meta. This about encrypted messaging that government/s cannot get access to.

  • @calimerosolo9551
    @calimerosolo9551 17 днів тому

    Hypocrisy at it's highest level, the French jester is proud

  • @filmawayvlad
    @filmawayvlad 17 днів тому +2

    What came on Pavel to become French in the first place?..

    • @YozNaturali
      @YozNaturali 12 днів тому

      Am also looking for an answer to this question

    • @user-ns7xr5fq1i
      @user-ns7xr5fq1i 11 днів тому

      He fell for the lies of democracy and freedom of speech

    • @user-ns7xr5fq1i
      @user-ns7xr5fq1i 11 днів тому

      He fell for the lies of democracy and freedom of speech

  • @Native_soul321
    @Native_soul321 17 днів тому +3

    Not allowed western propaganda on his social media giant

  • @muha5593
    @muha5593 17 днів тому +8

    Westerners are siding with Westerners as usual, talking about the two guests 😂

  • @phandapanda9644
    @phandapanda9644 17 днів тому +2

    We the users, are going to have to fight for either;
    1.) absolute privacy or
    2.) yield to semi-privacy under the guardianship of our 'trusted' governments.

  • @franciscouderq1100
    @franciscouderq1100 17 днів тому

    No French specialist interviewed about this matter? We are talking about French laws and regulation not even European ones. Therefore a German or a Brit seem a bit odd to say the least

  • @robertkennedy9188
    @robertkennedy9188 17 днів тому +1

    This conversation did not make a whole lot of sense.

  • @danid6171
    @danid6171 17 днів тому +2

    This presenter is a very poor interviewer! This is the second episode I have watched where he repeatedly abruptly interrupts the guests just as they are trying to make a point. It's rude to the guests and frustrating for viewers. Inside Story has other presenters who manage their guests graciously, whilst keeping to the show's running time. I hope we will see more of them.

  • @petrastolle6798
    @petrastolle6798 17 днів тому +1

    Why would he fly into France when he had an arrest warrant out ??? i do not get it

    • @chari---zard
      @chari---zard 17 днів тому +1

      They issued the arrest mid air?

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому

      They issued a warrant just b4 he landed. Plus, there're hypothesis that it was arranged for him to get out of Putin's hands without raising alarm

  • @iranoveryourhead
    @iranoveryourhead 12 днів тому +1

    So a terrorist who posts a sealed letter detailing an operation, should the post office CEO be arrested ?

  • @Raingaming289
    @Raingaming289 17 днів тому +4

    If u say telegram doesnt take action on explicit content, ur wrong, it does take action, but only when it goes public

  • @Moksiwan
    @Moksiwan 17 днів тому +5

    Interesting topic. A pity the interviewer was constantly interrupting his guests....

  • @inkipinki8468
    @inkipinki8468 17 днів тому +4

    You are naive if you think it’s about trafficking ‼️

  • @benjohnson1705
    @benjohnson1705 17 днів тому +1

    That is why Al Jazeera isn't took serious: you let Putina talk... .

    • @gerryburntwood9617
      @gerryburntwood9617 17 днів тому

      Oh dear another person happy to live with lies via Zionist controlled western media!

  • @MakateRapulana
    @MakateRapulana 15 днів тому

    The French still waiting for the US to give direction

  • @erlombard8010
    @erlombard8010 16 днів тому +1

    these Guests are very one sided and against Telegram, but what about the Right to PRIVACY ??

  • @Infinity-and-Beyond.011
    @Infinity-and-Beyond.011 17 днів тому

    This means every CEO of Telecommunications network company in the UK and worldwide needs to be arrested, as they are to been used for criminal activity.

  • @MuhammadAhmadShafqatOkara
    @MuhammadAhmadShafqatOkara 17 днів тому +3

    USA sanetors can't do nothing except questions

  • @richardrosebealprestonjohn3144
    @richardrosebealprestonjohn3144 17 днів тому

    That is like saying anyone can come into my house! I will shut my eyes if they are child traffickers and hide stolen children in my house?!!! I won't interfere.
    Questionable attitude.

  • @danimears5398
    @danimears5398 17 днів тому +3

    Free Durov

  • @XVW1234
    @XVW1234 16 днів тому

    Oh buhuu… as if he was „targeted“. Guys, there is no doubt that the prosecutor has a direct charge against durov acting with intent. In no way is it legally possible to charge him for remaining somehow inactive.

  • @proudtobe9932
    @proudtobe9932 15 днів тому

    So why didn't they arrest Jeffrey epstien and his people?????

  • @songnianzhang366
    @songnianzhang366 17 днів тому +2

    USA did it ,just like mengwanzhou Huawei cfo

  • @social.media.command
    @social.media.command 17 днів тому

    Thank you for your report.

  • @meemee0797
    @meemee0797 17 днів тому +1

    Please stop cutting off the guests 😢 Its annoying

  • @eloundainfo
    @eloundainfo 10 днів тому

    So if a terrorist phones another terrorist does that mean the telephone company is at fault, do landline phone corps listen to everyone's calls? If someone buys a car then goes around running people down with it..is the car manufacture or even the car seller also guilty?

  • @lumencandela9033
    @lumencandela9033 17 днів тому

    Reminds me of what happened to Kim Dotcom in New Zealand

  • @mick8888V
    @mick8888V 17 днів тому +2

    I'd rather listen to the two guests and not the interviewer.

    • @user-vu9es1we8y
      @user-vu9es1we8y 17 днів тому

      And why is that? Cos you a genocide supporter or just an appalling racist ?

  • @joshgreatscott
    @joshgreatscott 17 днів тому

    Was arrested for wearing a “hoodie-vest”. Fashion crimes hold the death penalty in France

  • @user-ns7xr5fq1i
    @user-ns7xr5fq1i 11 днів тому

    This is nonsense about criminal activity etc. The case is purely POLITICAL

  • @SarwaanVlog
    @SarwaanVlog 15 днів тому +1

    Indian government asked identity of scammers who looted money they refused to break it's secure chat and they refused to give their identity. I lost my money , this guy has to abide if any country asks cyber crime criminals identity list.

    • @adrianalexandrov7730
      @adrianalexandrov7730 14 днів тому +1

      Question is "can telegram break those end-to-end encrypted chats? And do they have the identity?"
      if I was a criminal -- I wouldn't register account from SIM in my own name.

    • @SarwaanVlog
      @SarwaanVlog 14 днів тому

      @@adrianalexandrov7730 or else sim owner ll surely hv connection with the culprit .

  • @user-if4zh3vi1n
    @user-if4zh3vi1n 17 днів тому

    Interesting take on political move against Russia.

  • @arshiaameena1338
    @arshiaameena1338 14 днів тому

    We condemn his arrest but I hate how child predators hide in anonymity behind Telegrams privacy laws.

    • @user-ns7xr5fq1i
      @user-ns7xr5fq1i 11 днів тому

      This is false pretence. Predators hide in a lot of places and government doesn't care

  • @franciscouderq1100
    @franciscouderq1100 17 днів тому +1

    Stop interrupting your guests particularly for asking stupid questions!!!