The very first Curseblade that let's you know that all your levels don't matter. Midra was my favorite actual boss. His whole level was something out of a horror game, and his cut scene was nuts.
Maybe it's related to the Meteoric Ore Greatsword? It's massive and apparently it's _just_ the shard of an arrowhead that the 'old gods' had in their arsenal. I could easily imagine giant gods fighting giant dragons
Torrent is like a ride-share system. When we aren't using him, that's when he takes his other passengers. & He made a whole week's paycheck in the time we were trying to navigate the Abyssal Woods without him.
Messmer's in-game theme actually answers the question of who his father is. The theme incorporates motifs from Radagon's theme heavily implying that Messmer is his son. This would also add a generation of born empyreans before Marika's relationship with Godfrey, those we know of being Melina and Messmer.
Yeah but Radagon gained his red hair in the war with Giants, they cursed him and gave him his red hair. The war with Giants were when Marika was with Godfrey (so after Messmer and Melina were born), after the war she banished Godfrey, changed to redhaired radagon and went to Rennala. If Messmer is Radagons Son then he shouldnt have red hair but whatever hair Radagon then had when Marika framed him into becoming her consort
Metyr didn't betray the Greater Will, at some point she was wounded and lost both the ability to recieve communications from the Greater will and give birth to two fingers (giving birth to simple minded finger creepers instead). Most likely what gave her the wound is the finger slayer blade as it lines up with both Metyrs wounds and the the blades description.
Nah, nowhere does it say Metyr was injured. The Greater Will was using her to feel around in the dark before deciding to send the Elden Beast to turn the lights. However after sending Elden Beast the Greater Will was like "That oughta do it." and fucked off, never to return or even acknowledge the Lands Between. Meanwhile the fingers, who were essentially tv antennae for the Greater Will's messages, couldn't accept this and continue relaying their own made-up messages.
@HeckYep dawg, she literally has a massive prolapsed gash on her front where her guts are pouring out. That's also her weakspot. Quit yappin. She was very obviously Injured.
I thought deep about why miquella didn't heal malenia and somehow healed the red mane chick, and I think that has a lot to do with the fact malenia isn't just affected by scarlet rot but she is actually a vessel for the god of rot which I think goes a lot deeper than being able to heal it.
@@100StepProgram Because again, your charecter is only afflicted and not even that long before you heal yourself. Malania is a vessel for the creepy ass scorpian rot god and so can't be cured. Remember she wasn't infected she was born with it. When you become the vessel for a diffrent outer god like the Frenzied Flame, you have to travel outside of time to Farum Azulah to rid yourself of the influence.
You're right. People would probably think they're cursed, but actually, they're blessed because they were chosen as a vessel of a God. Just like how Malenia were chosen by Goddess of Rot, so does Messmer by whatever that serpent is.
Someone on reddit said it best so here Miquella isn't cursed to be an eternal child, he's actually cursed with NASCENCY. Everything from his body to his ambitions will never grow and develop to their full form. His plan to cure Malenia was incomplete, his plans to give Godrick a true death could never be accomplished, and his dream of making the Haligtree an alternative to the Erdtree never happened not because he lacked the power or the focus, but simply due to the facts of his curse. This also extends into the Lands of Shadow. His ambitions towards the ending of becoming a true God are fated to be foiled by us the players. Everything from his body to his schemes are incapable of being developed, and this isn't a plot hole: it's an integral part of his character and curse. It makes him tragic in a similar way to his sister-he might have had good intentions, he might have been doing things for good reasons debatably, but he's incapable of bringing his will fully into the world because of his curse.
While the map doesn't line up perfectly, I think the idea is that the new map is meant to at some point had been the center of the old map (in universe, not as in an older version of the game or anything), but stuff just moved out of place with time. The suppressing tower in the middle is probably meant to be right on the intersection of the 6 divine towers around the central chasm in the original map. Since the towers are very peculiarly placed and always pointed to nothing.
Was jumping all over the dragon to see if its body lead to anywhere (I fell off its tummy and died from fall damage) honestly those two flower areas are just one giant nothing burgers
I find the "Malenia and Radahn fight was a ritual send off" theory stupid, to be fair. That makes no sense at all. The fight ended up with the Halightree army in shambles, the Redmanes all messed up and Radahns region made basically a nuclear wasteland. If you're about to join forces with someone you don't go destroying both your armies and destroying your own stronghold. Justifying that by saying "Radahn is all about war" is pretty much saying Radahn is a complete lunatic
I feel like that's the biggest sign that this wasn't the plan. Radahn would never choose the most destructive path. Also Millicent's quest reveals how Malenia lost her dignity and sense of self when she resorted to unleashing the scarlet rot, this is a desperate act which at least to me shows that Radahn was unwilling.
@@BanditGamesI disagree. This is elden ring, this is fromsoft, a character who's mentioned as "kindness" can fundamentally not be kind of actions. We always knew miquella was a manipulator jst by reading some item description and the lore. Plus he literally has one of the strongest demi gods as his blade... like the kid is not here to play the good boy if he wants something he will do what is necessary
The entire story is centered around a silly, nonsensical story. Lazy writing if you ask me. The big cliffhanger was dissapointing indeed. It centers around a failed concept. One person is two people. You have to really suspend disbelief. Luckily there is brilliance wrapped around the silly premise. Redahn was then reused. Another lazy decision. Compared to bloodborne, thier magnus opus, it's a noticeable step down. Nothing is done as well as previous games except gameplay. I correct myself, those artists are top tier. Whole team is. Less site of graces in future I hope at least. That feeling of do I keep pushing has long been gone. Not one (barely was any) short cut in elden ring felt rewarding or good. I want a big sprawling interconnected city again. As do all vets. Quality over quantity, always. I know kids love the new style. There's a clear pattern I've noticed and I've been playing since ps3 demon souls. On release. I hope they stay away from open world design for now on and concentrate more on bloodborne esque level design and spend more money on writers. If you do go open world, at least fill it with a few more npcs. It was a harder sell this time around. They did get a writer with George Martin this time but they clearly struggled being limited creativley by his framework. What he wrote anyway doesn't top dark souls or bloodborne. Fromsoft writers were obviously handicapped by this framework. Most players don't care about story or even know what it is or care to know. Most need to be told what it is from youtubers. The game has been flooded with young kids. The amazing community souls games always had has been diluted. It is much better on pc however than console. Message quality in game proves that. Give the artists a raise and never let them go.
a theory of mine is that radahn and malenia both agreeing to help miquella transcend to godhood,fought to send off radahn to the shadow realm while trying to bring the whole redmane army with them, but radahn being the warrior he is fought at his full power and couldn't hold back, resulting in malenia doing the same and spreading rot all over caelid without being able to properly send radahn to miquella. just a wild theory
About Miquella’s healing powers: Freya was just infected with the Scarlet Rot, and could be healed just like we do with the Flame Cleanse Me incantation or the Preserving Boluses (both magical and medicinal cures), Malenia cannot be healed because hers is a curse directly from the Outer God that created the rot in the first place
Thinking about it, why didn’t we help Millicent that way? She was afflicted with the rot because she’s descended from Malenia herself, so I guess she inherited the curse also
@@alejandroantoniovaladezuva4504 Could be that Malenia is simply too far gone along with Millicent. If Miquella can suspend the rot with unalloyed gold he may be able to fully get rid of it if it hasn't spread far enough.
@@alejandroantoniovaladezuva4504 millicent and her sisters aren't the biological children (she didn't smash anyone) of malenia, they were born from the scarlet bloom that nuked caelid, so the reason we can't cure millicent of the rot, is because she's quite literally MADE of it
To be more specific, I heard that the Needle Knights were Miquella's knights, and Leda's Sword's skill Needle Piercer is capable of cleansing status effects. I think that is because of unalloyed gold, which is implied to be pure and thus able to cure status effects. There is also Miquella's needle, which is capable of stopping the meddling of outer gods, but only apparently after Malenia's bossfight, which is absolute nonsense.
About the location of the Shadow Realm, there’s a tower near the place where we first travel there called The Suppressing Pilar. On top, there is a plate with an inscription that states something about the Shadow Realm being the place where all matters of death wash up, only to be suppressed, and also that it’s in the center of The Lands Between.
The unheard line that you found in the game’s text for #5 is an unused voice-line that originally played over the intro cutscene of the Radahn fight. There are videos uploaded of people who managed to get it to play.
As far as Bayle and Placidusax's feud goes, there is an NPC in the Elder's Hovel where you get the Talisman of the Dread who talks about Bayle. All he says is that Bayle is furious at the ancient dragons and calls them proud, conceited, and arrogant. So maybe Bayle just hated how they thought they were better than the drakes (or him) and decided to rebel. But I think that's about all we get as far as why they fought.
Its either that or Bayle led a rebellion against placidusax after he was abandoned by his god, making his reign as dragonlord less legitimate in face of the lesser drakes
Bonus mystery: in Midra’s manse there are what appears to be fingers and eggs, nearly identical to what is found in the finger ruins, underneath some fabric. Are these the 3 fingers and how did they get there?
I like to think they conducted a series of experiments to basically corrupt and clone their own conduit fingers with Frenzied Flame to connect with Chaos (as the fingers are used as conduits for contacting outer gods), and that the Three Fingers were created here at Midra's Manse. This may be the real secret as to why this whole area was quarantined. Midra had to get hugged by the three fingers at some point in order to become lord of frenzied flame...but then how did they appear under Llendell?...I believe there is a connection between Nanaya (who is a shaman too, and likely the first three-finger maiden) and Marika, and there was a conspiracy to contain this under the city..."roots mired in madness" was used to describe Marika.
New Theory: I like to think a series of experiments was conducted or ritual done to basically corrupt and clone unique conduit fingers with Frenzied Flame to connect with Chaos (as the fingers are used as conduits for contacting outer gods), and that the Three Fingers were created here at Midra's Manse. This may be the real secret as to why this whole area was quarantined. Midra had to get hugged by the three fingers at some point in order to become lord of frenzied flame...but then how did they appear under Llendell?...I believe there is a connection between Nanaya (who is a shaman too, and likely the first three-finger maiden) and Marika, and there was a conspiracy to contain this under the city..."roots mired in madness" was used to describe Marika...could be some conspiracy theory to just burn it all down if things go south with the Shamans again.
My assumption with Messmer being Marika’s first born is that she had tried to have a child with Radagan originally, but realized that there would be some weird magical curse complications with having a child with herself after he was born. So then she took Godfrey as her consort, until his fall from grace lead to her having to banish him and hook back up with herself.
And theyre found in Charo's Hidden Grave. Charo being suspiciously close to Charon, the ferryman that takes one across the river Styx. It's also similar to how the tarnished rides in coffins downriver in other parts of the game.
I always thought the coffin's, was how Messmer transported his army to the land of shadow, cause in game they don't mention where Messmer's Army of convicts came from, I'm thinking outside the lands between, cause just based on the base game lore, I didn't read anything about a whole prison being lead into battle, and not one person mention it, not one spirit being like "I hope my brother returns." Or "Those convicts were put to good use, on the front lines." So yeah it does say somewhere that the stone coffins could "float" on the water (but don't quote me on that) but that's just a guess
The coffin ships and the hands appear to have come from another land. The hands are also prevalent in place with magic; so I wonder if glinstone magic originated some where else and come to lands between; maybe this is why Radagon could not beat Rennala; she's an empyrean like life from whose ancestry is not from the lands between. Faith abilities came from the Erdtree, and fire came from the fel gods.
I think that part is gonna be wonky for people searching for mysteries, cause the whole fissure and cerulean coast seem to be reused content that was cut related to the Gloam Eyed Queen lore. As pointed in this video the coffins share some design elements with the Eternal City and the putrescent slimes as well as the putrescent knight with the purple eyes (not quite the same shade of St Trina's purple imo) are prob reskinned tears. I imagine (hope) they held some of that stuff back because they are planning to focus or explore it in the a future game.
Honestly I think there’s hidden science-fiction. The Greater Will, according to Ymir, was basically the rules of the universe starting with the Big Bang, and the one becoming many, we are all stardust. It seems the Numens came to this world in sleeper cryogenic pods in these petrified space ships that crashed into the planet. The silver tears are almost definitely the grey goo of advanced nanotechnology, and putrescence its decayed form from an older version with flaws. The Nox made of it, and the spirits they infuse with them after solidifying the Nox being advanced AI and somewhat independent solid holograms carried by little nanochips called spirit ash. The Carians descend more directly from these “silver blooded” forms. And Marika with the golden forms are the original humans/Numen just enhanced with cybernetic nanotech which makes the red blood become golden, and the sap of their trees too. The hornsent are genetic experiments, and the Omens from a gene where some Numen interbred with them and the Numens to become more one with nature and converge with their environment, in the opposite of the nanotech being a way to impose on the environment. A race between the AI, the genetically engineered, and the golden enhanced race that they tried to make a perfect blend of it all.
Florissax was an ancient dragon, not a drake, so the corpse definitely doesn't belong to her. Considering she decided to set up shop there, I'm pretty inclined to believe she's the one who's responsible for slaying it, either directly or indirectly. Why did she do it? Simply because it was Bayle's spawn (who's one of the oldest, but not the oldest, ancient dragons). According to her, Igon and Bayle shared a common trait: their fearless (and foolish) ambition. So, if her words are to be trusted, we can deduce that Bayle's rebellion was simply motivated by his thirst for power. Whether it happened before or after the dragon god fled is unknown, but it resulted in Placidussax sustaining heavy injuries and having to lock himself beyond time to await her return. The reliefs on the stone coffins make it evident that they belong to the same culture that gave rise to the Anicent Dynasty. The fact that they resemble ships and can be found near the coastline leads me to believe they were not only mausoleums, but also the means of transportation used to arrive to the Lands Between. The similarities between putrescence and silver tears likely stem from the fact that they're both living things originating from non-living things.
The Erdtree was a twin tree since the beginning, it is the light tree + dark tree intertwined together and its location is exactly the same place where Erdtree is in the base game. It should have the quality of life and death, light and shadow, and every concept contradicting each other. However, when Marika sealed away the Shadow Realm, the physical body of both trees was removed from the world hence Marika made a glowing phantom tree to replace the Erdtree. This might be because Marika always wishes to get rid of all the darkness in the world, but the twin trees can not be separated, so might as well just seal them both away and only leave the "good part" in people's vision.
I had always assumed that we shared Torrent with Miquella. When we dismissed Torrent, he returned to Miquella's side (and probably acted as his eyes and ears to report back to Miquella).
The super big dragon and the proximity of Charo's Hidden Grave indicates to me that dragon is Charo, and its blood watered the flowers of the Hidden Grave zone.
This is where my mind goes, the only issue is it goes against the naming conventions of ancient dragons. If I had to guess it’s a sibling of granssax, or is as old as him, that was sent to take down Bayle. We see how it went.
@@bobdylanlovr69 most of the lesser dragons don't end in sax so the large lesser dragon at the grand alter being named charo don't step on the ancient dragon naming conventions
YES ! I was thinking the same - that that Dragon must be named "Charo" though no in - game lore or items support it - only that the corpse of the largest dragon in any Fromsoft game adorns the map - Charo's Hidden Grave.
@@bobdylanlovr69 ancient dragons have stone skin, golden flesh and forearms as well as wings. They also turn to stone upon death and this big corpse is still very fleshy. I think it is potentially the original big main drake of the shadow realm, who Bayle killed when he fled/was banished to the shadow realm after his tousle with Placidusax
Messmer's father is Radagon. It's in his boss's music, and it is shown in the trailer that Marika turned into Radagon during the betrayal. Miquella's dialogue was in the Radahn fight when he grabs and charms you. Melenia isn't infected with scarlett rot, she IS scarlett rot.
Melenia is not Scarlet Rot. Scarlet Rot is the manifestation of an outer God. When she becomes a God, she becomes the vessel for it. As for Radagon being Messmer's father, we have no idea. Marika is holding who we assume to be Messmer by herself, so either the husband wouldn't be accepted by the people, or her early attempt at having a child was done alone. I believe Mesmer's father is an ancient snake God. Probably the OG serpent God of the numen.
I thought the same. I tried every gesture there is there hoping it would do something. The archway leading to it is also a mystery to me. It's an awfully big structure for it to be just a big solid block basically
@@shawnmiller1432the structure itself brings a lot of questions, I can’t really tell what it’s made of and the big indent at the top of it looks like it has a purpose
@@Wallahi13 the whole thing just seems out of place and/or the only thing made of that material. There has to be more to it even if it's just lore wise
So about some of those mysteries... Messmer's dad right ? According to an old theory, people thought that the butterflies found in he lands between symbolized the children that Marika and Radagon had (Aeonian butterfly for Malenia, Nascent for Miquella and supposedly smoldering for Melina). Now that the dlc has a 4th butterfly and that the connection of Melina and Messmer was made, I'm pretty sure that the whole theory is confirmed. About St Trina plant like body, a friend of mine reminded me that the Radagon we meet was kinda made of some sort of clay. So supposedly, all discarded flesh went in some kind of transformation before or after becoming whole again. And lastly if Radahnn agreed to the consort thing at all ? Absolutely not. Why not resurrect Radahnn in his own body instead of choosing a vessel that is easily manipulated by Miquella's powers ? Yes, it is stated in the rememberance.
Bayles arena could possibly be where Farum Azula was before it flew away: It has the same red sparks that float around in farum, it has a similar design on the edges to farum, it’s filled with strong winds like the tornado, and it has a very circular shape on the map which if placidusax’s arena is farum Azula before being torn apart then matches the shape
My take was that Bayle made the circular structure and the square holes in the area around. He did it because he wanted to be, and feel like, the dragon lord and ended up making a crude recreation of Placidusax’s arena, or peak Farum Azula
I think i agree more with that take, Farum Azula being the same shape and size and Radahns Arena, as well as the buildings around and the great bridge lining up definetly points towards it originating there @SpremeCalami
nah, farum azula was located in dragon barrow, that's why the beastial sanctum has the exact same architecture, and that's why the drakes who rebelled stayed there/ were exiled.
My current *guess* with the three fingers and Metyr is that the frenzied flame used the fingers and corrupted it with frenzy creating the three fingers. Might be worth a look if there actually merit to it more than a random guess
@@ba6368 my mistake I read wrong, I thought you said Melina was one of Messmer's parents. On another note I think it could be implied that Melina was not 'sacrificed' when the erdtree was burnt considering she is a demigod
@@helium269c2Considering death is just a minor setback in Elden Ring’s Lore, it’s very possible Melina survived her sacrifice and just achieved another form.
17:40 in regard to Miquella riding "Torrent", keep in mind that those giant stone structures littered around the DLC map (especially all over the place in the St. Trina area as you're platforming down) are all adorned with what appears to be a figurehead of some kind that looks juts like Torrent. When I saw this, it made me assume that there is just a general species of steeds like Torrent. Perhaps Miquella is depicted as generally riding one of those Steeds. If they are figureheads on ships and whatnot, they must be popular mounts for people in the lands between--or were at one time (since we don't see any of them in the game outside of these examples). That could explain why they're "spectral steeds", perhaps? Maybe they're a species of now extinct steeds who were once material but now only exist as spectres who choose when and whom to serve? I don't know. (edit: ironically, in the gameplay footage shown while you talk about this subject, you are riding around on those stone structures that are all adorned with spectral steed figureheads!)
Because of the death knights , I ended up forming the hypothesis that Godwin was not only complicit with the night of black knives, The ritual was fully intended to transform him into the prince of death, and the only reason that didn’t happen is because Ranni carved the half wheel of the centipede into her flesh at the same time, thus interfering with the execution of the ritual.
@@rashadsanders6716 I REALLY wanted some more godwyn info. i always felt bad for him. the golden child, the only one born without ailment. and had that taken from both him and his mother. I dont necessarily take fundamental issue with Radahn being the resurrected as it makes sense in the lore (because they wrote it that way) but i believe Godwyn would have been a much better choice. Seeing a prime decked out Radahn is something I think they could have achieved if they went with Godwyn being the resurrected considering he is the prince of deathz it would have been easy to make prime radahn the gate to the final battle with Godwyn and Miquella. But considering the way the lore paints Godwyn, I would venture as to say it's possible that Godwyn might even turn against Miquella, heeding the advice of St Trina and realizing godhood is prison for Miquella. It would also be a really cool idea as you finish the boss fight, miquella's hold over Godwyn breaks due to fatigue but he doesnt realize and Godwyn deals the final blow to his younger brother, allowing us to become elden lord like his mother wanted.
@@Night-Lordhow could he become the prince of death if the ritual were to be completed? The only thing that would happen is that he would truly die, not only in soul, but also in body and mind (wich is what remains of him btw). The plot was about Ranni getting rid of her empyrian flesh mostly, killing Godwynn at the same time would be more of a setup for the events to come (the Shattering) than anything else probably
I think the Scadutree Chalice is a really big mystery too. It's marked on the map for a reason. In the artbook for the dlc, it's split up into categories of areas, weapons and enemy types. However on the last page, it's the chalice. IF this was just a random place, then it would've been put in the area section of the artbook. It's almost implying there's something more than just a place to get fragments from. Also the tall shadow sunflowers in the area are all pointing towards the chalice. Sunflowers are heliotropic, which means they crave and wait for sunlight. I think in the shadow sunflowers are waiting for something else to happen. So maybe in the future the chalice could be used to offer materials or something like in bloodborne with the chalice dungeons, or maybe like a gauntlet of strength from sekiro.
The coffins are most likely the "ships" that the Numen used to land on the shores of the Lands Between, back when the Lands of Shadow were still physically part of them. The back of the coffins is actually very reminiscent of old ships. We also use coffins for transportation within the game.
Another point to that is that the ships are "phased" into the ground and wall so i think they did not sail here but actually teleported from their world to the land between and the survivors became the numen race
@@shini1908yeah spaceships are my guess (hope). There’s just something so fascinating to me about these old space vehicles not looking modern at all. Also good point about coffins always being used as transportation. I also have a theory that when the astronomers become the graven mass balls (or whatever they are called) they actually turn into a vessel that can traverse space.
And given that the Shaman people have a skill for fusing souls and bodies, I think it's very possible that they traveled here in the form of goo within the coffins.
The Suppressing Pillar text indicated that all manner of Death just washed up there in the Realm of Shadow, so the Numen race letting their dead go, and ending up there, makes sense. The Glovewort flowers are also planted on them: Since times of old, large gloveworts were used to comfort heroic spirits. Given in tribute to those who died the most glorious of deaths, in the hope their stories would become legend… Some of the design shares similarities with known Numen architecture, like the Nox cities. But the Bull motifs are interesting… asfaik, there’s no mentions to any other Bull like animals in the rest of the game.
Okay so it's actually pretty simple who mesmer's father is. There was a theory when the game first came out that there was a third child of Radagon and merika, that being Melina. The reason why this was believed is that each of the three butterfly variants in the game represent 1 of 3 characters, melena, miquella and melania. In the DLC a fourth type of butterfly is added, the black pyrefly which represents messmer. The description for mesmer's ember also states that he had a younger sister with a similar affliction to himself. This is obviously a reference to Melina, all but confirming the butterfly theory. And if that's not evidence enough, messmer's first phase theme literally samples from radagon's theme. This trope of musical samples and motifs is pretty common throughout the DLC. Consort Rodahn's theme very heavily samples from his star scourge theme, midra's samples from the nomads violin tune that plays in The Forsaken deaths and rellana samples of good portion of her first phase from her sister renala. The thing is that a whole new interesting section to the timeline it's stated that radahn looked up to Messmer, so he was either born after the omen twins or before Godwynn, either way this imo shows that the marriage between radagon and renalla was purely political as far as the golden order was concerned.
If you're asking what the Scadutree is, you might want to consider Jungian psychology wherein the Shadow represents the hidden, repressed and for the most part the inferior and guilt-laden personality of the unconscious, it typically possesses a person's morally reprehensible tendencies, but can also have good parts because it possesses some of our normal instincts, creative impulses and the like. In essence, you could consider it is not a separate Erdtree, but rather the secretive and darker reflection of the lands between. It is not a separate place, but rather contained within the lands between in such a way that it is only accessible via Miquella's dream, hence you enter through the slumbering egg of Miquella. It is theoretical that it is where Marika put her misdeeds so a new foundation for the Golden Order could be built.
Really nice point! That interpretation didn't even cross my mind. Both her trauma and her guilt are enclosed in there so it does fit the idea of the Jungian shadow self.
Torrent having horns always threw me for a loop until we fight the horse-like bosses underground. What that implied to me was that Torrent comes from a line of horse-like spirit entities so maybe Miquella is riding another horse but that still could mean that Torrent was indeed Miquella’s horse at one point. Also in the Storehouse in the Shadow Keep see more bones of giant beasts with horns further implying that there’s more horses like Torrent out there
Nobody talks about the storehouse enough. What are those creatures in there? We don’t see any living versions of them so I think they were incredibly important, ancient creatures. Huge, humanoid creatures with beautiful horn structures around their heads, basically crucified? Yeah there’s no way they aren’t significant to Hornsent lore
Arent those deer? I mean im not denying torent might be a decendant or a relative to them but their skull shape and horns indigate they were giant deers and not horses.
Been thinking about how Marika is a shaman which is a race that allows them to fuse and bond with other things easily. This would mean the reason where her children had certain grifts was because they had the same blood of marika. Melania fused with rot, rykard fused with a serpent, Ranni with a doll, godrick with his grafting. You could even say godwyn fused with the death rune to create deathroot etc.
Like others pointed out, radagons theme is used in messmers theme. There's nothing to suggest that Messmer was marikas first child. In fact it's stated that Messmer was dispatched from the lands between to the shadow lands to wage the crusade. Queelign, rellana, and others left the lands between with Messmer, thus the crusade on the hornsent occurred after Marika established the golden order. The reason the fire visage and the fell god is on the furnace men is cos it's the enemies that are burnt inside the furnace man, and it's using those motifs is mocking and scaring their enemies we well as illustrating who they've conquered. So we can also presume that due to the furnace giants that the crusade occurred after even the war with the giants. There's also trolls that serve rellana and trolls pledged allegiance to the carians after the war with the fire giants
Thats such a good point. Messmer doesnt have to be her first child. Everyone is so caught up on that because the Shadow Lands were sealed away and no one ever mentions Messmer as if he was the first "forgotten child"
Additionally, a wild theory I have is Marika and Radagon surviving the jar process of the hornsent and thus this is how they can share one body and have children. A successful divine experiment that actually, ironically somewhat, ended up creating a god. Radagon's ties to the fell god got so much weirder after the dlc, I'm constantly questioning how the timeline functions now just in case I've messed up placing his first appearance or even the first time he influenced anything. He might've not originally been a part of anything giant-related like the whole curse thing suggests, which could make him another shaman, either related to Marika or just being different altogether and getting messed up once Marika and him share one body. Another theory has to do with the gate of divinity, now that we know such a thing exists. In order to ascend to godhood (ignoring outer gods and what have you) one must also have a consort to attach to, who serves as the king / queen of their land in the physical world while the god mostly provides guidance and power from their own chambers. What if Radagon had this role from the beginning? What if he was the first Elden Lord all along? It makes sense with Godfrey in mind as well because Godfrey had to have Serosh on his back to contain his wild nature, so that position was taken by a sort of "dummy" god. Radagon sharing his body with Marika's is the perfect way to hide until you can be revealed to the world, plus they kept the truth hidden afterwards as well (that Radagon is Marika and vise versa despite having 2 different plans by the end). Lots of wild stuff now man.
We know that Messmer was like an older brother to Radahn, which means he was born earlier than Radagon and Rennala's children and the empyrean twins Miquella and Malenia. We also know that Marika raised him in what would later become the Land of Shadows, before she became the queen of the Lands Between and took Godfrey as her king consort and elden lord, so Messmer is also older than Mohg, Morgott, and Godwyn. Melina is heavily implied to be his little sister, so with no other child of Marika left we can deduce that Messmer was her firstborn.
I basically just started NG+2 and I was gonna play something else today but first I gotta go see if I grabbed that gesture because if I did I totally forgot about it lol
Ok bandit, hear me out, that giant dragon is the father (mother?) of all of the Ghostflame dragons, its in CHARO‘s (reference to charon in Greek mythology) hidden grave, and there is A tibia mariner there, too. Although it either A. Died before creating any more ghostflame dragons (through Igon, or through ghostflame dragons being made of His matter) B. Got Drake Hunted, and afterwards, the Ghostflame Dragons were hunted to near extinction. Or C. Anything y’all can come up with. I do have high hopes for it being related to the Ghostflame dragons (there’s a ghostflame dragon in the Cerulean Coast, close to Charo‘s Hidden Grave, and the only dragon communion spell you can get from the big guy is ghostflame breath) I hope you find this in the Plethora of comments, good day!
Ancient Dragons have 4 wings. So, it's not Florisaxx. You only get dragon hearts from 2 winged dragons. Ancient Dragons give you incantations or smithing stones.
You get dragon hearts from Greyoll in caelid, which is definitely not an ancient dragon. Ancient dragons have stone skin, golden flesh, and don’t produce red blood or a fleshy sound upon attacking. They also have forearms as well as wings and much smaller heads. They also use red dragon lightning. Greyoll is actually called the mother of all modern dragons, the stupid ones with flesh and leathery hide. The big drake body is potentially Charo, as the area is called Charo’s grave. That’s the best option for what it’s name is but doesn’t really tell us anything else
@@Brynwyn123 Cause she got relinquished to a lower status as a being most likely. My guess is that ancient dragon's gravel skin is too strong to carve out the heart inside. Now in humanoid form we can actually harvest it. The drakes have flesh so its easier to take too.
@@Brynwyn123 "The priestess was once an Ancient Dragon herself, but sacrificed that form for feeble flesh" straight from the hearts description perfectly explains why you get the heart. She went from being an Ancient Dragon made of stone to a lesser being of flesh
It's still so weird for me to watch these videos. For the longest time I had Zelda lore folks, and I had FromSoftware lore folks, but none that had overlap. It's so cool to see one of my favorite Zelda creators doing Elden Ring content.
I doubt there's a new ending. I think, in typical Fromsoft fashion. That dialogue is just cut content they left in the game for... some reason. Now, if they WANTED a new ending. Getting your "heart stolen", then beating Radabeast. That would have been the best way to do it.... But, nah, that didn't happen. They likely wanted this DLC to not affect ANYTHING in the base game.... Though, it would have been neat to see base game NPCs, or even bosses react to what you do in the DLC. Imagine how PISSED Malenia would be if you kill Miquella, then come back to fight her then.... Also, would have been neat if Gideon had something to say. "That is some FINE intel, my friend."
I have discovered an affect of DLC to the base game is All knowing Ofnir fight. He used some DLC sorceries on me but that can be explained with Ofnir copies us or what we have in the inventory i guess.
I know but, it's so weird. The gameplay trailer only showed stuff from the game. It'd be weird to me if they'd completely removed it, even though they had a cutscene for it apparently. Or it could just be that they chose that one, really important cutscene out of the game and only used it for the trailer. If the ladder is true, then I do think that shadow of the erdtree's ending was extremely dissapointing.
Maybe all mystery will solve in next DLC, I assume it will be "The Greater will" or "The roots of edtree" or "The death of Greater will" something like that!!
@@buckyhurdle4776 Florissax calls drakes (flying dragons in japanese) his bloodline when asked about Bayle. There seems to be three distinct kinds of dragons in Elden Ring: ancient dragons (koryuu 古竜), drakes (Hiryuu 飛竜) and wyrms (Doryuu 土竜) ryuu 竜 meaning dragon ie. ancient dragon, flying dragon and earth dragon. They are all called dragons but it seems that they are distinct. Wyrms are warriors who partake in dragon communion eating dragon hearts, Placidusax ordered drakes to be made into sacrifices for dragon communion after Bayle betrayed him. Also ancient dragons seem to all have "sax" or "seax" suffix in their name while that doesn't match with other types of dragons. I couldn't find all the neccessary flavor texts in japanese to check if this is a translation mistake or if they really mean ALL the dragons. Doesn't help that Elden Rings chronology is quite messy in the first place.
13:01 Ymir directly states that the fingers have been wrong from the very start, at least since Marika became a god - so the greater will either abandoned the world all at once, or for the last time, when Metyr couldn’t commune with it anymore Considering that Metyr is the daughter and first being sent to the lands between by the GW though, I think it’s safe to assume it abandoned it all in one instance, not multiple times
I think Greater Will just makes new worlds and then fucks off after they are done to make another. There is so many different golden erdtrees and background looks like galaxies and stars in Elden Beasts arena suggesting that.
The snake skin resembles the god eating serpent rather than the base serpent, take a look to the shape of the head! There is also a similar skin like that at the Eiglay Temple, guarded by a godskin noble, so this might be the only stiff we've got related to ghe GEQ lol
I quite exhaustively tried everything Miquella-related to find a hidden ending and/or cutscene, including permutations of getting heart stolen, having the unalloyed needle, using it to remove the chaos ending, using Miquella's great rune at Marika, doing St. Trina's stuff, wearing Miquella's crown (in NG+), etc....If there's something, it's beyond me what it could be.
The word "Shadow" in Elden Ring has many different interpretations, the biggest one being, in my opinion, the Shadows of the Empyreum. I think the Scadutree is like that type of Shadow.
My personal head canon as to why Bayle attacked Placidusax is that probably prior to Placidusax being born, Bayle, as the "father of all dragons" ruled over the dragons, however Placidusax is obviously revered as the dragonlord now and even before Bayle attacked him. We don't know why he is, but I think it's possible Bayle was trying to regain his lordship by killing Placidusax, but ultimately failed and fled with a few others who were still faithful to him.
Bayle could be just the father of all Drakes. Reminder that Dragons in elden ring refer to Drakes aka Wyverns, while the ones like Placidusax are refered to as Ancient dragons who were directly created by the Greater will. To me it seems like a case of jellousy, bayle was born deformed with just 2 legs, 2 wings and a short neck. While when Placidusax was born he was seen as blessed since his mutation gave him 5 heads. Out of jelousy and bitterness that bayle was born like he is, he decided to fight Placidusax whos own deformity was seen as a blessing. Thats what i believe atleast.
No idea about the first question but I'm pretty sure Miquella waits for you to burn the sealing tree before sneaking in just ahead of you, there's a misconception that Miquella's been in the Land of Shadows for a while but I believe he's actually just going through it barely ahead of the player character the whole time
@@Nitrex-zl5iq i think that makes sense. Considering when you approach shadow keep Miquella shatters his great rune which would imply he was just there
Marika or Messmer sealed enir ilim. Grandam said that the tower was "Our tower was by thy kind sealed in shadow." This is when she still thinks you're one of Messmer's soldiers. I have no clue how this was done tho
Y’know how Marika is a Numen (and therefore the Nox too) and it’s said that Marika first stepped foot in the Realm of Shadow? And how all manner of death ends up there? What if… those stone coffins in the Cerulean coast were sent by the Numen? The putrescence is leaking out of one of the coffins you plunge down to fight the Putrescent Knight, but idk what if the Numen drove those boats? They seem to have rudders, and the old maps showed boats coming to the Lands Between…
the description of Radagon’s rings of light incantation says that Miquella abandoned fundamentalism because it could not heal Malenias rot. this was the beginning of unalloyed gold
I think the 3 fingers is a mutated child of Metyr, and the reason it was born is because of the time the greater will abandoned Metyr which gave birth to the 3 fingers (the opposing power of the greater will) or the birth of the 3 fingers is the reason why the greater will abandoned Metyr, maybe the flame of frenzy minipulated metyr to make it give birth to its own fingers it needs to communicate with the lands between "THE 3 FINGERS".
Interesting to note that Miquella's curse of eternal nascency affects his entire being, motivations, aspirations and ambitions. 1. Castle Sol and the plot to deliver Godwyn a true death. - Failed. 2. Miquella's plan to cure Malenia of scarlet rot - Failed. 3. The Haligtree, a place where all outcasts could live in peace. - Failed. 4. The Age of Compassion. - Failed. It seems Miquella will remain forever young and his plans will never come to fruition.
Not a fan of this narrative. I see it parroted often. Most characters motivations, aspirations and ambitions fail in the game. It's not just Miquella. I'd say the Haligtree & Miquella's needle were a success to an extent.
@maykomarquez The reason it's "Parroted" is because it's true. Miquella never had one fulfilled accomplishment of his own. The needle never truly worked. It only stalled the Rot sickness. It was our Tanished that completely repelled the Frenzied Flame, by entering Placidusaxs domain and using the needle there. Not Miquella. His needles are incomplete. The Haligtree is dying, split, and is now infested with Rot. It never reached its Zenith. The point is that Miquella is doomed to have everything he does stopped at a certain point. He can create powerful things, yes, but they will never reach their full potential because, like him, they are stuck in eternal nascency.
@@LaughableSynonyms Needle succeeds at stopping the rot. It just does not get rid of the god of rot's influence. Miquella is not the only one who's plans are doomed in their nascent stage. Almost every character's plans end before being completed. Miquella actually succeeds to become a god. We just kill him after. He's the one that planned to get kidnapped by Mohg, causing the Haligtree die (I think it's dumb but... that's what it seems)
@@maykomarquez Yeah sure, he "succeeds" in halting the Rot Gods influence. The reason he made the Unalloyed Needle is to cleanse the Rot, meaning get rid of it entirely. But the needle doesn't do that because of his curse of Nascency. Yeah he became a God, after shedding his emotions, body and lineage. Technically negating his curse. And then his whole "Age of Compassion" was ruined by our Tarnished anyways. We aren't talking about his plans failing or succeeding specifically - it's more that he never fully realizes his goals and plans due to the curse.
I mean, it literally is the shadow of the Erdtree. Marika hid the Land of Shadow with a giant magical veil, that is the projection of the Erdtree though that veil (in a more magical stuff sense, you know). Its distorted and twisting shape is said to represent the emotions of the inhabitants of the Land of Shadow, forsaken and hurted. It's quite interesting that it not only is not golden, but it drips sap. The Erdtree was supposed to look like a brown tree dripping golden sap during the Age of Plenty (you've even got a painting of it on a shield) and then stopped dripping and somehow became golden and ethereal (my crackhead theory is that Marika burned it, like in the painting in Roundtable, and remade it to be golden and dominated by the golden order, but that's a diferent rabbithole). Anyway, the similarities of the Scadutree to the Age of Plenty Erdtree suggest to me that the Scadutree is a shadow that maintains the aspect (although distorted) of the old Erdtree.
what I don't see in other lore videos is Radahn might have been involved in making eclipse fail in Castle Sol! The Amber starlight in Seluvis's quest being next to a Miquella statue
In regards to the "secret" ending, has anyone tried having their heart stolen, and then going **without re-entering the radahn arena** and killing the elden beast while carrying miquellas broken rune?
It still puts you back to Marikas statue with her back blown out and lets you choose endings, I had option to summon Ranni, use Prince of death rune and regular ending, tried all 3 (save scum) and nothing happened.
Likely irrelevant to the lore, but the putrescent coffins remind me of Aldrich of the Deep from Dark souls 3. Since Aldrich was sealed in the coffin and when he leaves it a lot of sludge (in essence putrescence) comes out. Not sure what to do with that information, just thought I'd share this insight :D
2:52 that weapons looks soooo similar to dragonlord cragblade that we get from placidusax's remembrance maybe one of placidu's followers throw this to kill that massive dragon at this spot to declare war on drakes? also another question, I heared that Greyoll is the mother of modern drakes that means Bayle was her partner at that time then? or she is also from his offspring or wat
The Nox, who made the silver tears, are suggested to be either part of the Numen of Numen descendant. The Numen come from outside the Lands Between (including the Land of Shadow that was probably part of it until Marika hide it), so the boats might be how they arrived.
For the big dragon, i raise the idea of GIANT GIANTS FIGHTING DRAGONS (there are stupid huge bodies in the lands between so large weapons are a possibility.) Also food for though, maybe Miqella did all this so that another godwyn event doesn't happen. He tried to do some eclipse and I'm pretty sure that didn't happen because Rahdan is holding the stars in place, and the sun is a star so the eclipse was destined to never happen and probably gave Miqella a cruel reality check that this world isn't right, giving him motivation to be a god and fix everything marika ruined. And one more is that Miqella was destined to fail. Marika cursed her demigod children, to be whatever they wanted to be, be it a lord, be it a God, but if they fail to become either, they will be sacrifices. Not only that, but since Radagon and the Carian Royals were once wed and united, their fate was intertwined with the stars, so if Rahdan dies, failure is set in motion. By the time Miqella became a god, it was too late because so many demigod children started to die (assuming you killed Rahdan 3rd, making him the first of marikas children to die, godrick doesn't count)
Honestly I had the thought Gransax killed this dragon after all the lands of shadow weren’t always disconnected so maybe gransax slew this dragon since the ancient dragons hate the drakes
Could bayle have killed the Drake to access dragon communion to summon his wings? Crag dragons can also summon yellow lightning so perhaps this giant Drake was able to do so too.
I used to have the same question regarding Torrent. But now I think the promo image was just taken long ago when the Land of Shadow was still a part of the world. Miquella could simply travelled there once or many times before its sealing. But then it draws out another question: If Miquella knew that a Tarnished is going to become the Elden Lord and fix the world then gave Torrent to this person, why would he choose a different plan to try to ascend to Godhood knowing it would lead to a conflict with the old order? Did he regret putting his trust on the Tarnished? Or was that just a backup plan in case himself fucked up?
Are we sure the three fingers are not children of Metyr? Since we know the Greater Will abandoned even the fingers, I could easily see some of them getting disillusioned or full of despair and reaching out to other outer gods. And as we all know, the frenzied flame is always willing to take in those full of madness and despair.
My Bayle Placidusax theory is that Bayle was so disgusted with the coddling of humans after the dragon cult sprang up and dragons lowered themselves to the level of human. Bayle challenges Placidusax and does a lot of damage but ultimately is thrown down from Farum Azula and lands on Jagged Peak.
It seems to me the Dragon attack on Leyndell hapened after Bayle had allready left since the attack takes places after Placidusaxes god left. And we know the cult came to action after the battle and we also know Placidusax didint want it, it was made by Lanseax and Fortissaxes alliance with humans. The Bayle betrayal hapened before when Placidusaxes god was most likely still with him. Unless you ment the Dragon Communion and Not the Dragon Cult then that was made after Bayles Banishment as stated ingames lore.
The gate of divinity is a creation of the hornsent imo, it has similarities to the jar stuff and there is a lot of babel tower thematic that fits how it was used by Marika to destroy them. It probably is related to the crucible (maybe channeling it) judging by the strong faith of the hornsent on the crucible and its nature (all the body melding stuff)
Don't know if anyone's tried this yet. It is pretty simple. Get double grabbed by miquela and then don't beat him. Go beat the base game having miquela still alive, but you've been hit by his charm in the boss battle.
My head canon is Ranni, Melina nd Miquella are working together to fix the lands between Melina to restore death to fix the broken cycle of life Ranni to take the elden ring and order away from the world leaving the world to free will of its own Miquella to absolve his family's sins and curses and to unite the lands under his charm whilst he uses his newfound divinity to repel all outter gods Melina restores death, Ranni removes the Elden Ring, and Miquella acts as the god and supreme ruling force in the lands between.
I LOVE that you cover Elden Ring lore! You have a very soothing voice and I love your Zelda content, so seeing your thoughts and opinions on this stuff is great! 💜
13:03 Not just the two fingers, from Metyr’s remembrance we learn that the two fingers actually commune with her. So that can mean that literally EVERYTHING could have never had the greater will’s influence at all. Which completely changes how we interpret everything we’ve seen and heard in the game up till now.
I have 2 big questions: - Why is there 2 Godwyn catacombs, I mean they originally Mesmer's doing but the death knights just showed up and took over? -What is the Great Chalice at the foot of the Scadutree for? You have to fight the bloody Hog Rider to get there and it even marks it on your map, maybe if you use Messmer's kindling there instead?
I think the cut dialogue is just that, a cut content, because the thing said are part of the grab attack the second phase does. A thing i can think about that could make a "new ending" is getting your heart stolen and then try to end the game. But we know that the DLC is set after the game because we are addressed by as Lord of Marika in more than one occasion, so idk, i think it's just cut content
Hey, Elden Ring lore nerd here! I’m gonna attempt to solve each of these mysteries as best as I can: 1) The dragon is likely a dragon similar to greyoll (although as shown by Zullie the Witch, it is much larger than greyoll), is a child of greyoll that grew to be much larger than her and escaped to the shadow realm, likely to avoid the drake warriors, such as us, but yet fell to the drake warriors of the shadow realm. I like to believe that that large weapon in the back of it’s head was either A) Used by the dragon god to kill this dragon or B) Was a harpoon fired from either a giant ballista of sorts or thrown with the strength of a thousand drake warriors (literally, as in a lot of drake warriors threw it there). It also is definitely NOT Florissax’s old form. 2) I like to believe that the reason they duelled comes down to their names. The weak, feeble dragons of today are NOT called dragons, instead, they are called Drakes. Placidusax is the Dragonlord, and since Bayle is the father of all Drakes, he is likely a Drakelord of sorts. So this could’ve been due to a war of factions. 3) With Zullie actually covered this in a video, and it turns out that these are actually boats of some sorts, which could explain why they are there. 4) This one is quite obvious. His father was VERY likely Radagon. I mean, think about it, Malenia was cursed with rot, Miquella with youth, and since Messmer is a child of Marika and Radagon, the serpent inside him. It makes sense. It’s also likely that the furnace golems look like the fell god as a sort of MOCKERY towards Messmer’s father Radagon for abandoning him. As we all know, Radagon was cursed with his red hair by the giants, hence the reason he hated it. 5) I have no idea whatsoever. I have done more research on this than you can imagine, and I genuinely have no clue. I think this is probably a job for a community effort. 6) It is likely cut content and I don’t think that there is an “Age of Abundance” ending. 7) I don’t think Radahn consented. It is likely miquella sent malenia to kill Radahn for the same reason WE kill him, so miquella can use him to ascend to godhood. 8) The greater will likely abandons a lot because it has no reason to stay with us. I mean, why would it? It is confirmed by Ymir that a long time ago in space, the greater will and the frenzied flame were two parts of the same thing, and they split. The greater will causes suffering, while the frenzied flame burns the suffering away. 9) The scadutree’s grace might be for a different purpose, but I still don’t know. 10) Who said torrent is the ONLY spectral steed? There could be a bunch, they could be a whole bunch of them, like a specie of some sort. Anyways, that is all. If I have made any mistakes, please correct me!
The thing that makes 4) confusing is Radagon and Marika having a child (or children we don't know when the younger sister was born to be fair) before Radagon and Marika were a known pair. Like it's kinda silly to think after Godfrey left Marika just popped out Messmer and Melina without a known Elden Lord and nobody questioned it. Then Radagon went off to have 3 kids with Renalla. Then Radagon came back and had 2 more documented children with Marika. The themes being the same is telling but it doesn't make the timeline any less confusing to me.
@@tha_juice3262 Yeah, I’ve also thought about this, and while I still DO think that 1) Melina IS the gloam-eyed queen and that 2) melina and messmer are siblings and 3) That their parents are Radagon and Marika, the mystery to me is WHEN it occurred, I have no idea when messmer and/or melina were born.
My theory on Messmer: The DLC trailer showing Marika ascending the bloody Divine Steps, and the mystery "shape" she is removing the threads of grace from is the eyelid of the Base Serpent. I wonder if she was consort to the base serpent during her machinations to Godhood, got pregnant, and killed the Elden Lord of the age, the base serpent at the gate of the Divine to ascend.
And so she went and seduced the serpent, got two kids, then betrayed the serpent and ascended. Seems to fit the seduction and the betrayal part of the trailer pretty well.
Bayle isn’t the oldest dragon. Not even close. Just the oldest of the DRAKES. The dragons with only 2 legs. All the ancient dragons like Placidusaax, Granssax, Florissax, Fortissax, And Lansseax are ANCIENT dragons. With 4 legs and 2 pairs of wings. Placidusaax lost 2 head and a pair of wings against Bayle. And he likely lost a fifth head a long time before that. Bc the dragonlord talisman shows placidussax with 4 heads but his model has 5 necks.
It's okay if you didn't pay any attention Ranni killed his fucking Soul. It's permanently dead. Miquella's 'whole thing' was not to revive Godwyn. It was to become the next God. That motivation was borne of a desire to cure Malenia. He tried to cultivate a new tree with his own blood and that failed. And so he fell back on his plan to ascend to Godhood, but it requires a Lord. And Godwyn obviously can't be his Lord anymore, Castle Sol's failed Eclipse Ritual makes it explicitly clear that's not an option. So he went with option number 2 : Radagon Boogaloo.
13:34 Regarding the shadow thing: shadows don't HAVE to be 2d. Strictly speaking shadows are projections of an object that show one dimension less than said object; so every shadow is 2d for us because we're only capable of perceiving 2d and 3d things. Since the Erdtree is this cosmically grand structure coming from outside the world , we very well might be able to see only one projection of it at a time. So the Erdtree and Scadutree would technically both be shadows to whatever the hell crashed into the Lands Between.
The coffins are positioned in such a way that they look like they fell there. And from an interview with Miyazaki he said something along the lines that "the shadowlands are the place Marika first set foot on" along with the cosmic nature of the story implies they literally traveled here in gigantic space faring coffins. The shadowlands seem to be a sort of hell or underworld. A placard says all manner of death washes up on the shadowlands, the denizens seem to live burnt and shadowy lives. Messmer has satan like iconography, snakes, fire, and impalment. This along with the rune of death being removed implies that no one in the lands of shadow can truly die. An unending hell. I suspect that the shadowlands is also where the Helphen is. The hornset candles resemble the helphen.
In the beginning of the base game, I believe there is an NPC ghost that says something along the lines of a soul can enter the cycle of the Erdtree once they pass. However, those who are cursed, or live in death cannot enter the cycle of the tree. Here's my theory: The Erdtree was nourished with souls. Markia sacrificed all those people for their souls to make the tree sprout and grow. Ego: souls who live by the Shadow Tree are completely disconnected, and they cannot enter the cycle of Erdtree, so they are endless wonder in those dark forms in the DLC. Perhaps the outer God wanted to consume the tree or a Fruit of the Tree, but Marika interfered with this plan by sealing death. All the people rotting away in the lands between seem almost unable to die of old age. Then the outer god abandoned the tree because it would never bear fruit with out enough souls. The whole game, the grace is guiding us to destroy the tree, Radagon/Markia, and the beast that gives them their power.
If "seduction and betrayal" is used in the literal sense, could it be possible that the was another "first elden lord" before Godfrey? My thought is that, during her rise as an Empyrean in the Land of Shadow, she might have chosen an Elden Lord so she could gain access to the Gate of Divinity, and then played a double jeux to get what she needed, with the unknown object she is digging her hand into being their corpse. The lore is a bit difficult to keep track of, so correct me if I am blatantly overlooking something important
8:49 From what I understand what the DLC was trying to tell us is this: Everyone in the lands between is in some way some portion of a greater being, we each hold a bit of divinity. If you pile up a bunch of people together and fuse their very being in some messed up ritual well... you create something truly divine. I believe the gate of divinity is actually something close to either an offering to the god (we know Marika was a miko or shrine maiden/shaman) or it could be that the gate is some kind artificial god itself.
The way to get the miquella ending is to put a shabriri grape on radahns head during the fight. Then, when miquella climbs off him, jump on him and put a warmth stone up his chocolate starfish. This'll do it.
Thank for a very quality video! My mine still blowing after i finished this game yesterday. Maybe we will get one more DLC for these mysteries in next few years lol.
The text specifically mentions only the Finger Hands and the Two Fingers. No mention of Three Fingers. If it were, it would say "mother of All Fingers"
Metyr:"yes i am the mother of all finger based beings, 2 fingers & fingercreepers alike" Marika:"What about that burning 3 fingered one over there?" Metyr:"oh..uh.. i dont know that one ..hehe..he" 3 fingers:"Look at me mother" 😐
11:40 in an item description it's mentioned what Malenia whispered in Radahn's ear. "Miquella is waiting, O'Promised Consort." If he totally consented to that, he wouldn't have the sheer force of will to stay alive in the Dunes, he would of let himself die to the rot. Even then, there would be no reason for them to fight.
15:50 I think this is during the battle between Radahn and Melania's forces, as the clean rot nights are all afflicted with scarlet rot, so they are capable of spreading it. As for Miquella healing the rot, the only thing I can say is that either Freya is tarnished, able to never truly die permanently from any ailment, and Miquella was able to heal her because of that, or scarlet rot needs a much more potent form of affliction. As in a stab or a high dosage or contact with scarlet rot, so getting bonked really wouldn't be a deep infliction, but getting stabbed, bitten, or walking through lakes of rot is.
I'd like to mention for 15:00 , in the dlc, there's a tower that has a slab at the top that says something like "this is the center of the lands between" even tho it's in the land of shadow, and when putting the dlc map over the base game map, it actually does seem to be close to the middle of both maps when put together, which makes you wonder, both maps must be connected in some way, even if it's minor like the land of shadow being the literal opposite of the lands between, like the empty ocean in the middle of the lands between
I think the shadow three was the original 'erdtree' of the lands between. But marika created her own 'improved' version of it. I also believe that the erdtree is taking powers away from the scadutree, which is why we see the scadutree bleeding something golden
The best theory I've heard so far regarding Radahn's consent to being Miquella's consort is that he originally did consent, but then the shattering occurred, which essentially provided him his heart's desire: unending combat. As a result, he changed his mind regarding the vow, which is why Miquella had to send Melenia after him, and why he fought so fiercely against her. After the shattering he found his purpose and didn't want to just be a slave to Miquella.
After seeing the weapon in the back of the dragon's head, i just realized the meteoric ore greatsword's description says that it was forged from the arrow of a god, maybe the same one that killed the dragon?
I think Torrent being formerly owned by Miquella is a piece in a story about how Miquella influenced us from the start. At the Chapel of Anticipation, before we fall down the cliff, there are Nascent Butterflies in the spot we fall from, and as we go to grab them, we fall. We don't see Nascent butterflies again for a long time in the game, so this was clearly deliberate. Torrent was another means by which Miquella facilitated our journey. After all, why would he have put so many of his crosses near sites of grace if not for us to never miss them?
I doubt theres another ending, im near positive it woulda be found/datamined by now,And the one about the greater will leaving metyr isnt even a mystery its outright stated she was broken leaving the greater will to abanonded her
What was your favorite boss fight in the Elden Ring DLC? Mine was, by far, Bayle the Dread.
CURSE YOU BAYLE edit : Thanks Bandit for Putting an Heart on my Message .
Messmer. Hot take, I know.
After beating consort a few times now he's starting to become my favorite (!). Midra / Bayle are amazing as well, but my current top dog is Messmer.
Bayle by a looooong mile is my fav he’s easily froms best dragon
The very first Curseblade that let's you know that all your levels don't matter. Midra was my favorite actual boss. His whole level was something out of a horror game, and his cut scene was nuts.
The huge weapon in the dragon corpse looks like a harpoon... the new mystery is how Igon managed to throw it, perhaps just out of pure anger?
Maybe it's related to the Meteoric Ore Greatsword? It's massive and apparently it's _just_ the shard of an arrowhead that the 'old gods' had in their arsenal. I could easily imagine giant gods fighting giant dragons
😂😂😂
Igon must've used EVERY DROP OF HIS BEING 😆
he cursed bayle, but missed his target
And I’m guessing the dragon ripped its own heart out cus of the excessive dialogue
Torrent is like a ride-share system.
When we aren't using him, that's when he takes his other passengers.
& He made a whole week's paycheck in the time we were trying to navigate the Abyssal Woods without him.
Messmer's in-game theme actually answers the question of who his father is. The theme incorporates motifs from Radagon's theme heavily implying that Messmer is his son. This would also add a generation of born empyreans before Marika's relationship with Godfrey, those we know of being Melina and Messmer.
Also he's cursed like every other child Marika and Radagon had. Inbreeding is bad, guys
The generation of born empyreans , aka Gloam eyed queen, this game is great but to many unanswered lore
So melina IS an empyrean?
Yeah but Radagon gained his red hair in the war with Giants, they cursed him and gave him his red hair.
The war with Giants were when Marika was with Godfrey (so after Messmer and Melina were born), after the war she banished Godfrey, changed to redhaired radagon and went to Rennala. If Messmer is Radagons Son then he shouldnt have red hair but whatever hair Radagon then had when Marika framed him into becoming her consort
@@666SHOEI I wouldnt dwell too much on the red hair. Miquella himself is blonde 😂
Metyr didn't betray the Greater Will, at some point she was wounded and lost both the ability to recieve communications from the Greater will and give birth to two fingers (giving birth to simple minded finger creepers instead). Most likely what gave her the wound is the finger slayer blade as it lines up with both Metyrs wounds and the the blades description.
so thats how ranni knew of blade also ? and that finger died giving birth to the two fingers
Nowhere ingame is this confirmed, stop making stuff up lol
@@eulemcowl4457thats how souls like lore works
Nah, nowhere does it say Metyr was injured. The Greater Will was using her to feel around in the dark before deciding to send the Elden Beast to turn the lights. However after sending Elden Beast the Greater Will was like "That oughta do it." and fucked off, never to return or even acknowledge the Lands Between. Meanwhile the fingers, who were essentially tv antennae for the Greater Will's messages, couldn't accept this and continue relaying their own made-up messages.
@HeckYep dawg, she literally has a massive prolapsed gash on her front where her guts are pouring out. That's also her weakspot. Quit yappin. She was very obviously Injured.
I thought deep about why miquella didn't heal malenia and somehow healed the red mane chick, and I think that has a lot to do with the fact malenia isn't just affected by scarlet rot but she is actually a vessel for the god of rot which I think goes a lot deeper than being able to heal it.
Is there a reason why our character can easily heal themselves using the boluses or is that just entirely a gameplay thing and doesn’t effect lore?
@@100StepProgram Because again, your charecter is only afflicted and not even that long before you heal yourself. Malania is a vessel for the creepy ass scorpian rot god and so can't be cured. Remember she wasn't infected she was born with it.
When you become the vessel for a diffrent outer god like the Frenzied Flame, you have to travel outside of time to Farum Azulah to rid yourself of the influence.
@@100StepProgramboluses would do nothing to help malenia , she isn't just afflicted with rot , she is a source of it
You're right. People would probably think they're cursed, but actually, they're blessed because they were chosen as a vessel of a God.
Just like how Malenia were chosen by Goddess of Rot, so does Messmer by whatever that serpent is.
Someone on reddit said it best so here
Miquella isn't cursed to be an eternal child, he's actually cursed with NASCENCY. Everything from his body to his ambitions will never grow and develop to their full form.
His plan to cure Malenia was incomplete, his plans to give Godrick a true death could never be accomplished, and his dream of making the Haligtree an alternative to the Erdtree never happened not because he lacked the power or the focus, but simply due to the facts of his curse.
This also extends into the Lands of Shadow. His ambitions towards the ending of becoming a true God are fated to be foiled by us the players. Everything from his body to his schemes are incapable of being developed, and this isn't a plot hole: it's an integral part of his character and curse. It makes him tragic in a similar way to his sister-he might have had good intentions, he might have been doing things for good reasons debatably, but he's incapable of bringing his will fully into the world because of his curse.
While the map doesn't line up perfectly, I think the idea is that the new map is meant to at some point had been the center of the old map (in universe, not as in an older version of the game or anything), but stuff just moved out of place with time. The suppressing tower in the middle is probably meant to be right on the intersection of the 6 divine towers around the central chasm in the original map. Since the towers are very peculiarly placed and always pointed to nothing.
The inside of that giant dragon with its mouth wide open not being a dungeon is criminal. Lock Miyazaki up for that missed opportunity.
Oh man that would've been amazing
VOOOORE
Was jumping all over the dragon to see if its body lead to anywhere (I fell off its tummy and died from fall damage) honestly those two flower areas are just one giant nothing burgers
@@sentinelslayer8328There are a lot of wide open areas with literally nothing to find in the DLC.
It looks like the tongue was hastily added to cover an entrance.
I find the "Malenia and Radahn fight was a ritual send off" theory stupid, to be fair. That makes no sense at all. The fight ended up with the Halightree army in shambles, the Redmanes all messed up and Radahns region made basically a nuclear wasteland.
If you're about to join forces with someone you don't go destroying both your armies and destroying your own stronghold. Justifying that by saying "Radahn is all about war" is pretty much saying Radahn is a complete lunatic
THANK you. I feel the same. It betrays the “kindness” he was known for.
I feel like that's the biggest sign that this wasn't the plan. Radahn would never choose the most destructive path. Also Millicent's quest reveals how Malenia lost her dignity and sense of self when she resorted to unleashing the scarlet rot, this is a desperate act which at least to me shows that Radahn was unwilling.
@@BanditGamesI disagree. This is elden ring, this is fromsoft, a character who's mentioned as "kindness" can fundamentally not be kind of actions. We always knew miquella was a manipulator jst by reading some item description and the lore. Plus he literally has one of the strongest demi gods as his blade... like the kid is not here to play the good boy if he wants something he will do what is necessary
The entire story is centered around a silly, nonsensical story. Lazy writing if you ask me. The big cliffhanger was dissapointing indeed.
It centers around a failed concept. One person is two people. You have to really suspend disbelief. Luckily there is brilliance wrapped around the silly premise. Redahn was then reused. Another lazy decision.
Compared to bloodborne, thier magnus opus, it's a noticeable step down. Nothing is done as well as previous games except gameplay. I correct myself, those artists are top tier. Whole team is. Less site of graces in future I hope at least. That feeling of do I keep pushing has long been gone. Not one (barely was any) short cut in elden ring felt rewarding or good. I want a big sprawling interconnected city again. As do all vets. Quality over quantity, always. I know kids love the new style. There's a clear pattern I've noticed and I've been playing since ps3 demon souls. On release.
I hope they stay away from open world design for now on and concentrate more on bloodborne esque level design and spend more money on writers. If you do go open world, at least fill it with a few more npcs. It was a harder sell this time around. They did get a writer with George Martin this time but they clearly struggled being limited creativley by his framework. What he wrote anyway doesn't top dark souls or bloodborne. Fromsoft writers were obviously handicapped by this framework.
Most players don't care about story or even know what it is or care to know. Most need to be told what it is from youtubers. The game has been flooded with young kids. The amazing community souls games always had has been diluted. It is much better on pc however than console. Message quality in game proves that.
Give the artists a raise and never let them go.
a theory of mine is that radahn and malenia both agreeing to help miquella transcend to godhood,fought to send off radahn to the shadow realm while trying to bring the whole redmane army with them, but radahn being the warrior he is fought at his full power and couldn't hold back, resulting in malenia doing the same and spreading rot all over caelid without being able to properly send radahn to miquella. just a wild theory
About Miquella’s healing powers: Freya was just infected with the Scarlet Rot, and could be healed just like we do with the Flame Cleanse Me incantation or the Preserving Boluses (both magical and medicinal cures), Malenia cannot be healed because hers is a curse directly from the Outer God that created the rot in the first place
Thinking about it, why didn’t we help Millicent that way? She was afflicted with the rot because she’s descended from Malenia herself, so I guess she inherited the curse also
@@alejandroantoniovaladezuva4504 Could be that Malenia is simply too far gone along with Millicent. If Miquella can suspend the rot with unalloyed gold he may be able to fully get rid of it if it hasn't spread far enough.
@@alejandroantoniovaladezuva4504 millicent and her sisters aren't the biological children (she didn't smash anyone) of malenia, they were born from the scarlet bloom that nuked caelid, so the reason we can't cure millicent of the rot, is because she's quite literally MADE of it
To be more specific, I heard that the Needle Knights were Miquella's knights, and Leda's Sword's skill Needle Piercer is capable of cleansing status effects. I think that is because of unalloyed gold, which is implied to be pure and thus able to cure status effects. There is also Miquella's needle, which is capable of stopping the meddling of outer gods, but only apparently after Malenia's bossfight, which is absolute nonsense.
I thought that the new lore was that the centipede bitch created the scarlet rot?
About the location of the Shadow Realm, there’s a tower near the place where we first travel there called The Suppressing Pilar. On top, there is a plate with an inscription that states something about the Shadow Realm being the place where all matters of death wash up, only to be suppressed, and also that it’s in the center of The Lands Between.
The unheard line that you found in the game’s text for #5 is an unused voice-line that originally played over the intro cutscene of the Radahn fight. There are videos uploaded of people who managed to get it to play.
Come ooooooon. I was so hyped that there could be a hidden ending, that would feel better than the abrupt one we get....
I had a feeling that was the case based on what was being said 🤔
Those are just some sentences that she says when grabs us ( not all of it)
As far as Bayle and Placidusax's feud goes, there is an NPC in the Elder's Hovel where you get the Talisman of the Dread who talks about Bayle. All he says is that Bayle is furious at the ancient dragons and calls them proud, conceited, and arrogant. So maybe Bayle just hated how they thought they were better than the drakes (or him) and decided to rebel. But I think that's about all we get as far as why they fought.
Its either that or Bayle led a rebellion against placidusax after he was abandoned by his god, making his reign as dragonlord less legitimate in face of the lesser drakes
Bonus mystery: in Midra’s manse there are what appears to be fingers and eggs, nearly identical to what is found in the finger ruins, underneath some fabric.
Are these the 3 fingers and how did they get there?
I think 3 fingers were there but Marika moved it closer to seal it off
I like to think they conducted a series of experiments to basically corrupt and clone their own conduit fingers with Frenzied Flame to connect with Chaos (as the fingers are used as conduits for contacting outer gods), and that the Three Fingers were created here at Midra's Manse. This may be the real secret as to why this whole area was quarantined. Midra had to get hugged by the three fingers at some point in order to become lord of frenzied flame...but then how did they appear under Llendell?...I believe there is a connection between Nanaya (who is a shaman too, and likely the first three-finger maiden) and Marika, and there was a conspiracy to contain this under the city..."roots mired in madness" was used to describe Marika.
nanaya (the women who was pregnant with midras child) is propb a finger maiden for the 3 fingers
New Theory:
I like to think a series of experiments was conducted or ritual done to basically corrupt and clone unique conduit fingers with Frenzied Flame to connect with Chaos (as the fingers are used as conduits for contacting outer gods), and that the Three Fingers were created here at Midra's Manse. This may be the real secret as to why this whole area was quarantined. Midra had to get hugged by the three fingers at some point in order to become lord of frenzied flame...but then how did they appear under Llendell?...I believe there is a connection between Nanaya (who is a shaman too, and likely the first three-finger maiden) and Marika, and there was a conspiracy to contain this under the city..."roots mired in madness" was used to describe Marika...could be some conspiracy theory to just burn it all down if things go south with the Shamans again.
It seems to me that midra may have been stealing fingers to grow his own three fingers, or was the one who grew the three fingers we find.
My assumption with Messmer being Marika’s first born is that she had tried to have a child with Radagan originally, but realized that there would be some weird magical curse complications with having a child with herself after he was born. So then she took Godfrey as her consort, until his fall from grace lead to her having to banish him and hook back up with herself.
5:04 those coffins appear to be ships actually. Which would explain why they are close to the shore as well as underground(underneath the shore)
And theyre found in Charo's Hidden Grave. Charo being suspiciously close to Charon, the ferryman that takes one across the river Styx.
It's also similar to how the tarnished rides in coffins downriver in other parts of the game.
I always thought the coffin's, was how Messmer transported his army to the land of shadow, cause in game they don't mention where Messmer's Army of convicts came from, I'm thinking outside the lands between, cause just based on the base game lore, I didn't read anything about a whole prison being lead into battle, and not one person mention it, not one spirit being like "I hope my brother returns." Or "Those convicts were put to good use, on the front lines." So yeah it does say somewhere that the stone coffins could "float" on the water (but don't quote me on that) but that's just a guess
The coffin ships and the hands appear to have come from another land. The hands are also prevalent in place with magic; so I wonder if glinstone magic originated some where else and come to lands between; maybe this is why Radagon could not beat Rennala; she's an empyrean like life from whose ancestry is not from the lands between. Faith abilities came from the Erdtree, and fire came from the fel gods.
I think that part is gonna be wonky for people searching for mysteries, cause the whole fissure and cerulean coast seem to be reused content that was cut related to the Gloam Eyed Queen lore. As pointed in this video the coffins share some design elements with the Eternal City and the putrescent slimes as well as the putrescent knight with the purple eyes (not quite the same shade of St Trina's purple imo) are prob reskinned tears. I imagine (hope) they held some of that stuff back because they are planning to focus or explore it in the a future game.
Honestly I think there’s hidden science-fiction. The Greater Will, according to Ymir, was basically the rules of the universe starting with the Big Bang, and the one becoming many, we are all stardust. It seems the Numens came to this world in sleeper cryogenic pods in these petrified space ships that crashed into the planet. The silver tears are almost definitely the grey goo of advanced nanotechnology, and putrescence its decayed form from an older version with flaws. The Nox made of it, and the spirits they infuse with them after solidifying the Nox being advanced AI and somewhat independent solid holograms carried by little nanochips called spirit ash. The Carians descend more directly from these “silver blooded” forms. And Marika with the golden forms are the original humans/Numen just enhanced with cybernetic nanotech which makes the red blood become golden, and the sap of their trees too. The hornsent are genetic experiments, and the Omens from a gene where some Numen interbred with them and the Numens to become more one with nature and converge with their environment, in the opposite of the nanotech being a way to impose on the environment. A race between the AI, the genetically engineered, and the golden enhanced race that they tried to make a perfect blend of it all.
Florissax was an ancient dragon, not a drake, so the corpse definitely doesn't belong to her. Considering she decided to set up shop there, I'm pretty inclined to believe she's the one who's responsible for slaying it, either directly or indirectly. Why did she do it? Simply because it was Bayle's spawn (who's one of the oldest, but not the oldest, ancient dragons).
According to her, Igon and Bayle shared a common trait: their fearless (and foolish) ambition. So, if her words are to be trusted, we can deduce that Bayle's rebellion was simply motivated by his thirst for power. Whether it happened before or after the dragon god fled is unknown, but it resulted in Placidussax sustaining heavy injuries and having to lock himself beyond time to await her return.
The reliefs on the stone coffins make it evident that they belong to the same culture that gave rise to the Anicent Dynasty. The fact that they resemble ships and can be found near the coastline leads me to believe they were not only mausoleums, but also the means of transportation used to arrive to the Lands Between. The similarities between putrescence and silver tears likely stem from the fact that they're both living things originating from non-living things.
The Erdtree was a twin tree since the beginning, it is the light tree + dark tree intertwined together and its location is exactly the same place where Erdtree is in the base game. It should have the quality of life and death, light and shadow, and every concept contradicting each other. However, when Marika sealed away the Shadow Realm, the physical body of both trees was removed from the world hence Marika made a glowing phantom tree to replace the Erdtree. This might be because Marika always wishes to get rid of all the darkness in the world, but the twin trees can not be separated, so might as well just seal them both away and only leave the "good part" in people's vision.
I had always assumed that we shared Torrent with Miquella. When we dismissed Torrent, he returned to Miquella's side (and probably acted as his eyes and ears to report back to Miquella).
That is pretty neat theory, but I think that there just are multiple spectral steeds. One on the promo-art doesn't have a saddle on him.
@@tengr0057 A charmed horse wouldn't need a saddle.
So like sharing a Spotify account? Miquella gets kicked off mid stride every time we call torrent 😂
:o not a snitch!
The super big dragon and the proximity of Charo's Hidden Grave indicates to me that dragon is Charo, and its blood watered the flowers of the Hidden Grave zone.
This is where my mind goes, the only issue is it goes against the naming conventions of ancient dragons.
If I had to guess it’s a sibling of granssax, or is as old as him, that was sent to take down Bayle. We see how it went.
@@bobdylanlovr69 most of the lesser dragons don't end in sax so the large lesser dragon at the grand alter being named charo don't step on the ancient dragon naming conventions
YES ! I was thinking the same - that that Dragon must be named "Charo" though no in - game lore or items support it -
only that the corpse of the largest dragon in any Fromsoft game adorns the map - Charo's Hidden Grave.
@@dmruggabugga6270 that’s true. I don’t know why, I thought it was an ancient dragon corpse but yeah it’s totally a drake
@@bobdylanlovr69 ancient dragons have stone skin, golden flesh and forearms as well as wings. They also turn to stone upon death and this big corpse is still very fleshy. I think it is potentially the original big main drake of the shadow realm, who Bayle killed when he fled/was banished to the shadow realm after his tousle with Placidusax
Messmer's father is Radagon. It's in his boss's music, and it is shown in the trailer that Marika turned into Radagon during the betrayal.
Miquella's dialogue was in the Radahn fight when he grabs and charms you.
Melenia isn't infected with scarlett rot, she IS scarlett rot.
That's not Radagon. Her hair is just reflecting all the viscera and gore around her on the steps of the gate. It's the lighting, not red hair.
Melenia is not Scarlet Rot. Scarlet Rot is the manifestation of an outer God. When she becomes a God, she becomes the vessel for it. As for Radagon being Messmer's father, we have no idea. Marika is holding who we assume to be Messmer by herself, so either the husband wouldn't be accepted by the people, or her early attempt at having a child was done alone. I believe Mesmer's father is an ancient snake God. Probably the OG serpent God of the numen.
What about the Scadutree Chalice? Pretty weird that you cant do anything with it despite it even being marked on the map.
I thought the same. I tried every gesture there is there hoping it would do something. The archway leading to it is also a mystery to me. It's an awfully big structure for it to be just a big solid block basically
@@shawnmiller1432 Yeeaah, the archway looked promising and important from the very beginning and then... not a whole lot going on.
@dracoroth05 right lol that whole area seems like there should be more than some random ass albinauric with some pants and the chalice some shards
@@shawnmiller1432the structure itself brings a lot of questions, I can’t really tell what it’s made of and the big indent at the top of it looks like it has a purpose
@@Wallahi13 the whole thing just seems out of place and/or the only thing made of that material. There has to be more to it even if it's just lore wise
So about some of those mysteries...
Messmer's dad right ? According to an old theory, people thought that the butterflies found in he lands between symbolized the children that Marika and Radagon had (Aeonian butterfly for Malenia, Nascent for Miquella and supposedly smoldering for Melina). Now that the dlc has a 4th butterfly and that the connection of Melina and Messmer was made, I'm pretty sure that the whole theory is confirmed.
About St Trina plant like body, a friend of mine reminded me that the Radagon we meet was kinda made of some sort of clay. So supposedly, all discarded flesh went in some kind of transformation before or after becoming whole again.
And lastly if Radahnn agreed to the consort thing at all ? Absolutely not. Why not resurrect Radahnn in his own body instead of choosing a vessel that is easily manipulated by Miquella's powers ? Yes, it is stated in the rememberance.
Bayles arena could possibly be where Farum Azula was before it flew away: It has the same red sparks that float around in farum, it has a similar design on the edges to farum, it’s filled with strong winds like the tornado, and it has a very circular shape on the map which if placidusax’s arena is farum Azula before being torn apart then matches the shape
My take was that Bayle made the circular structure and the square holes in the area around. He did it because he wanted to be, and feel like, the dragon lord and ended up making a crude recreation of Placidusax’s arena, or peak Farum Azula
I think i agree more with that take, Farum Azula being the same shape and size and Radahns Arena, as well as the buildings around and the great bridge lining up definetly points towards it originating there @SpremeCalami
That arena is a spec of sand compared to the actual size of Farum Azula.
@@petrodynamite1124 which Radahn?
nah, farum azula was located in dragon barrow, that's why the beastial sanctum has the exact same architecture, and that's why the drakes who rebelled stayed there/ were exiled.
My current *guess* with the three fingers and Metyr is that the frenzied flame used the fingers and corrupted it with frenzy creating the three fingers. Might be worth a look if there actually merit to it more than a random guess
Messmer's theme is a remix of Radagon's theme. I would assume he and Melina are Radagon's kids.
Melina?????????? Its heavily implied Melina is Messmer's younger sister
@@helium269c2 Yeah, Melina is his sister, Radagon and Marika are their parents.
@@ba6368 my mistake I read wrong, I thought you said Melina was one of Messmer's parents. On another note I think it could be implied that Melina was not 'sacrificed' when the erdtree was burnt considering she is a demigod
@@helium269c2Considering death is just a minor setback in Elden Ring’s Lore, it’s very possible Melina survived her sacrifice and just achieved another form.
17:40 in regard to Miquella riding "Torrent", keep in mind that those giant stone structures littered around the DLC map (especially all over the place in the St. Trina area as you're platforming down) are all adorned with what appears to be a figurehead of some kind that looks juts like Torrent. When I saw this, it made me assume that there is just a general species of steeds like Torrent. Perhaps Miquella is depicted as generally riding one of those Steeds. If they are figureheads on ships and whatnot, they must be popular mounts for people in the lands between--or were at one time (since we don't see any of them in the game outside of these examples). That could explain why they're "spectral steeds", perhaps? Maybe they're a species of now extinct steeds who were once material but now only exist as spectres who choose when and whom to serve? I don't know.
(edit: ironically, in the gameplay footage shown while you talk about this subject, you are riding around on those stone structures that are all adorned with spectral steed figureheads!)
i blind played thru the DLC fully believing Godwyn would be making an appearance bc of the death knights and other things
Idk dude 😎
Because of the death knights , I ended up forming the hypothesis that Godwin was not only complicit with the night of black knives, The ritual was fully intended to transform him into the prince of death, and the only reason that didn’t happen is because Ranni carved the half wheel of the centipede into her flesh at the same time, thus interfering with the execution of the ritual.
@@Night-Lordwould have been better then what we got
@@rashadsanders6716 I REALLY wanted some more godwyn info. i always felt bad for him. the golden child, the only one born without ailment. and had that taken from both him and his mother. I dont necessarily take fundamental issue with Radahn being the resurrected as it makes sense in the lore (because they wrote it that way) but i believe Godwyn would have been a much better choice. Seeing a prime decked out Radahn is something I think they could have achieved if they went with Godwyn being the resurrected considering he is the prince of deathz
it would have been easy to make prime radahn the gate to the final battle with Godwyn and Miquella. But considering the way the lore paints Godwyn, I would venture as to say it's possible that Godwyn might even turn against Miquella, heeding the advice of St Trina and realizing godhood is prison for Miquella.
It would also be a really cool idea as you finish the boss fight, miquella's hold over Godwyn breaks due to fatigue but he doesnt realize and Godwyn deals the final blow to his younger brother, allowing us to become elden lord like his mother wanted.
@@Night-Lordhow could he become the prince of death if the ritual were to be completed? The only thing that would happen is that he would truly die, not only in soul, but also in body and mind (wich is what remains of him btw). The plot was about Ranni getting rid of her empyrian flesh mostly, killing Godwynn at the same time would be more of a setup for the events to come (the Shattering) than anything else probably
I think the Scadutree Chalice is a really big mystery too. It's marked on the map for a reason. In the artbook for the dlc, it's split up into categories of areas, weapons and enemy types. However on the last page, it's the chalice. IF this was just a random place, then it would've been put in the area section of the artbook. It's almost implying there's something more than just a place to get fragments from.
Also the tall shadow sunflowers in the area are all pointing towards the chalice. Sunflowers are heliotropic, which means they crave and wait for sunlight. I think in the shadow sunflowers are waiting for something else to happen. So maybe in the future the chalice could be used to offer materials or something like in bloodborne with the chalice dungeons, or maybe like a gauntlet of strength from sekiro.
The coffins are most likely the "ships" that the Numen used to land on the shores of the Lands Between, back when the Lands of Shadow were still physically part of them. The back of the coffins is actually very reminiscent of old ships. We also use coffins for transportation within the game.
Another point to that is that the ships are "phased" into the ground and wall so i think they did not sail here but actually teleported from their world to the land between and the survivors became the numen race
You can also see these galleon throughout the ancient dynasty architecture.
@@shini1908yeah spaceships are my guess (hope). There’s just something so fascinating to me about these old space vehicles not looking modern at all. Also good point about coffins always being used as transportation. I also have a theory that when the astronomers become the graven mass balls (or whatever they are called) they actually turn into a vessel that can traverse space.
And given that the Shaman people have a skill for fusing souls and bodies, I think it's very possible that they traveled here in the form of goo within the coffins.
The Suppressing Pillar text indicated that all manner of Death just washed up there in the Realm of Shadow, so the Numen race letting their dead go, and ending up there, makes sense. The Glovewort flowers are also planted on them: Since times of old, large gloveworts were used to comfort heroic spirits. Given in tribute to those who died the most glorious of deaths, in the hope their stories would become legend…
Some of the design shares similarities with known Numen architecture, like the Nox cities. But the Bull motifs are interesting… asfaik, there’s no mentions to any other Bull like animals in the rest of the game.
Okay so it's actually pretty simple who mesmer's father is.
There was a theory when the game first came out that there was a third child of Radagon and merika, that being Melina. The reason why this was believed is that each of the three butterfly variants in the game represent 1 of 3 characters, melena, miquella and melania. In the DLC a fourth type of butterfly is added, the black pyrefly which represents messmer. The description for mesmer's ember also states that he had a younger sister with a similar affliction to himself. This is obviously a reference to Melina, all but confirming the butterfly theory.
And if that's not evidence enough, messmer's first phase theme literally samples from radagon's theme. This trope of musical samples and motifs is pretty common throughout the DLC. Consort Rodahn's theme very heavily samples from his star scourge theme, midra's samples from the nomads violin tune that plays in The Forsaken deaths and rellana samples of good portion of her first phase from her sister renala.
The thing is that a whole new interesting section to the timeline it's stated that radahn looked up to Messmer, so he was either born after the omen twins or before Godwynn, either way this imo shows that the marriage between radagon and renalla was purely political as far as the golden order was concerned.
If you're asking what the Scadutree is, you might want to consider Jungian psychology wherein the Shadow represents the hidden, repressed and for the most part the inferior and guilt-laden personality of the unconscious, it typically possesses a person's morally reprehensible tendencies, but can also have good parts because it possesses some of our normal instincts, creative impulses and the like.
In essence, you could consider it is not a separate Erdtree, but rather the secretive and darker reflection of the lands between. It is not a separate place, but rather contained within the lands between in such a way that it is only accessible via Miquella's dream, hence you enter through the slumbering egg of Miquella.
It is theoretical that it is where Marika put her misdeeds so a new foundation for the Golden Order could be built.
I figured it’s simply the seal itself set by marika just like the one you burn before you enter the final level. but i could be completely off lmao
Amazing and true interpreting imo. Miyazaki definitely wanted to make a literal fantasy version of it
@@DonutSwordsman Thank you. Very kind of you to say so.
Really nice point! That interpretation didn't even cross my mind. Both her trauma and her guilt are enclosed in there so it does fit the idea of the Jungian shadow self.
The shadow, the part of sociopaths that is actually humane
1. Bayle is a Drake, not a Dragon
2. That "dead" dragon is snoring
Torrent having horns always threw me for a loop until we fight the horse-like bosses underground. What that implied to me was that Torrent comes from a line of horse-like spirit entities so maybe Miquella is riding another horse but that still could mean that Torrent was indeed Miquella’s horse at one point. Also in the Storehouse in the Shadow Keep see more bones of giant beasts with horns further implying that there’s more horses like Torrent out there
Nobody talks about the storehouse enough. What are those creatures in there? We don’t see any living versions of them so I think they were incredibly important, ancient creatures. Huge, humanoid creatures with beautiful horn structures around their heads, basically crucified? Yeah there’s no way they aren’t significant to Hornsent lore
Arent those deer? I mean im not denying torent might be a decendant or a relative to them but their skull shape and horns indigate they were giant deers and not horses.
@@draw2death421right, and they were antlers not horns.
@@ness354 sorry, brainfart.
There are real world racing yaks and Torrent looks exactly like those.
Been thinking about how Marika is a shaman which is a race that allows them to fuse and bond with other things easily. This would mean the reason where her children had certain grifts was because they had the same blood of marika. Melania fused with rot, rykard fused with a serpent, Ranni with a doll, godrick with his grafting. You could even say godwyn fused with the death rune to create deathroot etc.
Like others pointed out, radagons theme is used in messmers theme. There's nothing to suggest that Messmer was marikas first child. In fact it's stated that Messmer was dispatched from the lands between to the shadow lands to wage the crusade. Queelign, rellana, and others left the lands between with Messmer, thus the crusade on the hornsent occurred after Marika established the golden order. The reason the fire visage and the fell god is on the furnace men is cos it's the enemies that are burnt inside the furnace man, and it's using those motifs is mocking and scaring their enemies we well as illustrating who they've conquered. So we can also presume that due to the furnace giants that the crusade occurred after even the war with the giants. There's also trolls that serve rellana and trolls pledged allegiance to the carians after the war with the fire giants
Thats such a good point. Messmer doesnt have to be her first child. Everyone is so caught up on that because the Shadow Lands were sealed away and no one ever mentions Messmer as if he was the first "forgotten child"
Additionally, a wild theory I have is Marika and Radagon surviving the jar process of the hornsent and thus this is how they can share one body and have children. A successful divine experiment that actually, ironically somewhat, ended up creating a god.
Radagon's ties to the fell god got so much weirder after the dlc, I'm constantly questioning how the timeline functions now just in case I've messed up placing his first appearance or even the first time he influenced anything. He might've not originally been a part of anything giant-related like the whole curse thing suggests, which could make him another shaman, either related to Marika or just being different altogether and getting messed up once Marika and him share one body.
Another theory has to do with the gate of divinity, now that we know such a thing exists. In order to ascend to godhood (ignoring outer gods and what have you) one must also have a consort to attach to, who serves as the king / queen of their land in the physical world while the god mostly provides guidance and power from their own chambers. What if Radagon had this role from the beginning? What if he was the first Elden Lord all along? It makes sense with Godfrey in mind as well because Godfrey had to have Serosh on his back to contain his wild nature, so that position was taken by a sort of "dummy" god. Radagon sharing his body with Marika's is the perfect way to hide until you can be revealed to the world, plus they kept the truth hidden afterwards as well (that Radagon is Marika and vise versa despite having 2 different plans by the end).
Lots of wild stuff now man.
We know that Messmer was like an older brother to Radahn, which means he was born earlier than Radagon and Rennala's children and the empyrean twins Miquella and Malenia.
We also know that Marika raised him in what would later become the Land of Shadows, before she became the queen of the Lands Between and took Godfrey as her king consort and elden lord, so Messmer is also older than Mohg, Morgott, and Godwyn. Melina is heavily implied to be his little sister, so with no other child of Marika left we can deduce that Messmer was her firstborn.
@@XIII_Vanitas No? Messmer was secreted away to the Land of Shadow, he was not born in it, or anything. That's where he was shoved.
@@Detriax That's contradicted by every bit of circumstantial evidence and item description in the game.
I was not expecting this video to be as good as it is. Thank you for knowing the game better than a thousand redditors and UA-cam slop grifters
''Two Finger Gesture'' the most mysterious thing since the Dark Souls 1 Pendant.
I basically just started NG+2 and I was gonna play something else today but first I gotta go see if I grabbed that gesture because if I did I totally forgot about it lol
@@Vordb666 It's located in a forest area where the Shaman Village is, near the finger ruins where there is a meteor crater, it's easy to miss.
Ok bandit, hear me out, that giant dragon is the father (mother?) of all of the Ghostflame dragons, its in CHARO‘s (reference to charon in Greek mythology) hidden grave, and there is A tibia mariner there, too. Although it either A. Died before creating any more ghostflame dragons (through Igon, or through ghostflame dragons being made of His matter) B. Got Drake Hunted, and afterwards, the Ghostflame Dragons were hunted to near extinction. Or C. Anything y’all can come up with. I do have high hopes for it being related to the Ghostflame dragons (there’s a ghostflame dragon in the Cerulean Coast, close to Charo‘s Hidden Grave, and the only dragon communion spell you can get from the big guy is ghostflame breath) I hope you find this in the Plethora of comments, good day!
Ancient Dragons have 4 wings. So, it's not Florisaxx. You only get dragon hearts from 2 winged dragons. Ancient Dragons give you incantations or smithing stones.
You get dragon hearts from Greyoll in caelid, which is definitely not an ancient dragon. Ancient dragons have stone skin, golden flesh, and don’t produce red blood or a fleshy sound upon attacking. They also have forearms as well as wings and much smaller heads. They also use red dragon lightning. Greyoll is actually called the mother of all modern dragons, the stupid ones with flesh and leathery hide. The big drake body is potentially Charo, as the area is called Charo’s grave. That’s the best option for what it’s name is but doesn’t really tell us anything else
You can get Florisaxxs heart though
@@Brynwyn123 Florissax is an ancient dragon, any dragon with a name ending in Sax is an ancient dragon
@@Brynwyn123 Cause she got relinquished to a lower status as a being most likely. My guess is that ancient dragon's gravel skin is too strong to carve out the heart inside. Now in humanoid form we can actually harvest it. The drakes have flesh so its easier to take too.
@@Brynwyn123 "The priestess was once an Ancient Dragon herself, but sacrificed that form for feeble flesh" straight from the hearts description perfectly explains why you get the heart. She went from being an Ancient Dragon made of stone to a lesser being of flesh
It's still so weird for me to watch these videos.
For the longest time I had Zelda lore folks, and I had FromSoftware lore folks, but none that had overlap. It's so cool to see one of my favorite Zelda creators doing Elden Ring content.
I doubt there's a new ending. I think, in typical Fromsoft fashion. That dialogue is just cut content they left in the game for... some reason.
Now, if they WANTED a new ending. Getting your "heart stolen", then beating Radabeast. That would have been the best way to do it.... But, nah, that didn't happen.
They likely wanted this DLC to not affect ANYTHING in the base game.... Though, it would have been neat to see base game NPCs, or even bosses react to what you do in the DLC.
Imagine how PISSED Malenia would be if you kill Miquella, then come back to fight her then.... Also, would have been neat if Gideon had something to say. "That is some FINE intel, my friend."
I have discovered an affect of DLC to the base game is All knowing Ofnir fight. He used some DLC sorceries on me but that can be explained with Ofnir copies us or what we have in the inventory i guess.
Do you know which sorceries?@@morgenstern7865
I know but, it's so weird. The gameplay trailer only showed stuff from the game. It'd be weird to me if they'd completely removed it, even though they had a cutscene for it apparently. Or it could just be that they chose that one, really important cutscene out of the game and only used it for the trailer. If the ladder is true, then I do think that shadow of the erdtree's ending was extremely dissapointing.
Yeah, telling Gideon: hey turns out Mohg wasent a lunatic like you said.
Whould have been pretty nice ngl.
It’s still possible they added a new ending
Maybe all mystery will solve in next DLC, I assume it will be "The Greater will" or "The roots of edtree" or "The death of Greater will" something like that!!
Bayle isn't the oldest dragon tho he's the oldest of the Drake dragon lineages
Don't believe what u want to believe....it literally said of ALL the dragons
Placidusax is called Primeval you can't be older than that lol
@@I.svcrificemodern dragons not ancient dragons
"The oldest and vilest of ALL dragons." Guys, learn to fucking read
@@buckyhurdle4776 Florissax calls drakes (flying dragons in japanese) his bloodline when asked about Bayle. There seems to be three distinct kinds of dragons in Elden Ring: ancient dragons (koryuu 古竜), drakes (Hiryuu 飛竜) and wyrms (Doryuu 土竜) ryuu 竜 meaning dragon ie. ancient dragon, flying dragon and earth dragon. They are all called dragons but it seems that they are distinct. Wyrms are warriors who partake in dragon communion eating dragon hearts, Placidusax ordered drakes to be made into sacrifices for dragon communion after Bayle betrayed him.
Also ancient dragons seem to all have "sax" or "seax" suffix in their name while that doesn't match with other types of dragons. I couldn't find all the neccessary flavor texts in japanese to check if this is a translation mistake or if they really mean ALL the dragons. Doesn't help that Elden Rings chronology is quite messy in the first place.
Malenia is not infected by the scarlet rot like Freya, she is the source of the scarlet rot, it's not the same.
13:01 Ymir directly states that the fingers have been wrong from the very start, at least since Marika became a god - so the greater will either abandoned the world all at once, or for the last time, when Metyr couldn’t commune with it anymore
Considering that Metyr is the daughter and first being sent to the lands between by the GW though, I think it’s safe to assume it abandoned it all in one instance, not multiple times
I think Greater Will just makes new worlds and then fucks off after they are done to make another. There is so many different golden erdtrees and background looks like galaxies and stars in Elden Beasts arena suggesting that.
Idk how much I trust Ymir tho
Then where did the Elden Beast and the Elden Ring come from?
@@guygordon2780 Elden Ring is just McGuffin so we can have a game. Not everything is in need of an answer necessarily. For example. The Greater Will.
The snake skin resembles the god eating serpent rather than the base serpent, take a look to the shape of the head!
There is also a similar skin like that at the Eiglay Temple, guarded by a godskin noble, so this might be the only stiff we've got related to ghe GEQ lol
I quite exhaustively tried everything Miquella-related to find a hidden ending and/or cutscene, including permutations of getting heart stolen, having the unalloyed needle, using it to remove the chaos ending, using Miquella's great rune at Marika, doing St. Trina's stuff, wearing Miquella's crown (in NG+), etc....If there's something, it's beyond me what it could be.
The word "Shadow" in Elden Ring has many different interpretations, the biggest one being, in my opinion, the Shadows of the Empyreum.
I think the Scadutree is like that type of Shadow.
My personal head canon as to why Bayle attacked Placidusax is that probably prior to Placidusax being born, Bayle, as the "father of all dragons" ruled over the dragons, however Placidusax is obviously revered as the dragonlord now and even before Bayle attacked him. We don't know why he is, but I think it's possible Bayle was trying to regain his lordship by killing Placidusax, but ultimately failed and fled with a few others who were still faithful to him.
Bayle could be just the father of all Drakes. Reminder that Dragons in elden ring refer to Drakes aka Wyverns, while the ones like Placidusax are refered to as Ancient dragons who were directly created by the Greater will.
To me it seems like a case of jellousy, bayle was born deformed with just 2 legs, 2 wings and a short neck.
While when Placidusax was born he was seen as blessed since his mutation gave him 5 heads.
Out of jelousy and bitterness that bayle was born like he is, he decided to fight Placidusax whos own deformity was seen as a blessing.
Thats what i believe atleast.
Who sealed enir ilim? How did miquella enter enir ilim along with mohgs body?
No idea about the first question but I'm pretty sure Miquella waits for you to burn the sealing tree before sneaking in just ahead of you, there's a misconception that Miquella's been in the Land of Shadows for a while but I believe he's actually just going through it barely ahead of the player character the whole time
@@Nitrex-zl5iq i think that makes sense. Considering when you approach shadow keep Miquella shatters his great rune which would imply he was just there
Marika or Messmer sealed enir ilim. Grandam said that the tower was "Our tower was by thy kind sealed in shadow." This is when she still thinks you're one of Messmer's soldiers. I have no clue how this was done tho
@@Nitrex-zl5iqno idea how anyone thinks that when he breaks the rune while we are there
@@Nitrex-zl5iqwhich is why he only breaks the rune when we get to shadow keep. I think that’s where he broke it
Y’know how Marika is a Numen (and therefore the Nox too) and it’s said that Marika first stepped foot in the Realm of Shadow? And how all manner of death ends up there? What if… those stone coffins in the Cerulean coast were sent by the Numen? The putrescence is leaking out of one of the coffins you plunge down to fight the Putrescent Knight, but idk what if the Numen drove those boats? They seem to have rudders, and the old maps showed boats coming to the Lands Between…
the description of Radagon’s rings of light incantation says that Miquella abandoned fundamentalism because it could not heal Malenias rot. this was the beginning of unalloyed gold
I think the 3 fingers is a mutated child of Metyr, and the reason it was born is because of the time the greater will abandoned Metyr which gave birth to the 3 fingers (the opposing power of the greater will) or the birth of the 3 fingers is the reason why the greater will abandoned Metyr, maybe the flame of frenzy minipulated metyr to make it give birth to its own fingers it needs to communicate with the lands between "THE 3 FINGERS".
Interesting to note that Miquella's curse of eternal nascency affects his entire being, motivations, aspirations and ambitions.
1. Castle Sol and the plot to deliver Godwyn a true death. - Failed.
2. Miquella's plan to cure Malenia of scarlet rot - Failed.
3. The Haligtree, a place where all outcasts could live in peace. - Failed.
4. The Age of Compassion. - Failed.
It seems Miquella will remain forever young and his plans will never come to fruition.
Not a fan of this narrative. I see it parroted often. Most characters motivations, aspirations and ambitions fail in the game. It's not just Miquella. I'd say the Haligtree & Miquella's needle were a success to an extent.
@maykomarquez The reason it's "Parroted" is because it's true. Miquella never had one fulfilled accomplishment of his own.
The needle never truly worked. It only stalled the Rot sickness. It was our Tanished that completely repelled the Frenzied Flame, by entering Placidusaxs domain and using the needle there. Not Miquella. His needles are incomplete.
The Haligtree is dying, split, and is now infested with Rot. It never reached its Zenith.
The point is that Miquella is doomed to have everything he does stopped at a certain point. He can create powerful things, yes, but they will never reach their full potential because, like him, they are stuck in eternal nascency.
@@LaughableSynonyms Needle succeeds at stopping the rot. It just does not get rid of the god of rot's influence. Miquella is not the only one who's plans are doomed in their nascent stage. Almost every character's plans end before being completed. Miquella actually succeeds to become a god. We just kill him after.
He's the one that planned to get kidnapped by Mohg, causing the Haligtree die (I think it's dumb but... that's what it seems)
@@maykomarquez Yeah sure, he "succeeds" in halting the Rot Gods influence. The reason he made the Unalloyed Needle is to cleanse the Rot, meaning get rid of it entirely. But the needle doesn't do that because of his curse of Nascency.
Yeah he became a God, after shedding his emotions, body and lineage. Technically negating his curse. And then his whole "Age of Compassion" was ruined by our Tarnished anyways.
We aren't talking about his plans failing or succeeding specifically - it's more that he never fully realizes his goals and plans due to the curse.
@@maykomarquezwell the lore doesn't care if you agree or disagree. Its just a fact miquella plans are always unfinished
I mean, it literally is the shadow of the Erdtree. Marika hid the Land of Shadow with a giant magical veil, that is the projection of the Erdtree though that veil (in a more magical stuff sense, you know).
Its distorted and twisting shape is said to represent the emotions of the inhabitants of the Land of Shadow, forsaken and hurted.
It's quite interesting that it not only is not golden, but it drips sap. The Erdtree was supposed to look like a brown tree dripping golden sap during the Age of Plenty (you've even got a painting of it on a shield) and then stopped dripping and somehow became golden and ethereal (my crackhead theory is that Marika burned it, like in the painting in Roundtable, and remade it to be golden and dominated by the golden order, but that's a diferent rabbithole). Anyway, the similarities of the Scadutree to the Age of Plenty Erdtree suggest to me that the Scadutree is a shadow that maintains the aspect (although distorted) of the old Erdtree.
what I don't see in other lore videos is Radahn might have been involved in making eclipse fail in Castle Sol! The Amber starlight in Seluvis's quest being next to a Miquella statue
Radagon was probably the person who summoned Marika when she became a god like Rhodan summonsed Miqulla
In regards to the "secret" ending, has anyone tried having their heart stolen, and then going **without re-entering the radahn arena** and killing the elden beast while carrying miquellas broken rune?
I need answers o:
It still puts you back to Marikas statue with her back blown out and lets you choose endings, I had option to summon Ranni, use Prince of death rune and regular ending, tried all 3 (save scum) and nothing happened.
Sadly, there is definitively no secret ending. You can unpack all the files in the game, cutscenes/dialog etc. It simply doesn’t exist :(
@@josiah6328 :(
Likely irrelevant to the lore, but the putrescent coffins remind me of Aldrich of the Deep from Dark souls 3. Since Aldrich was sealed in the coffin and when he leaves it a lot of sludge (in essence putrescence) comes out. Not sure what to do with that information, just thought I'd share this insight :D
Aldrich wasn’t made of putrescence. He ate so much until he bloated then liquefy.
2:52 that weapons looks soooo similar to dragonlord cragblade that we get from placidusax's remembrance
maybe one of placidu's followers throw this to kill that massive dragon at this spot to declare war on drakes?
also another question, I heared that Greyoll is the mother of modern drakes
that means Bayle was her partner at that time then? or she is also from his offspring or wat
The Nox, who made the silver tears, are suggested to be either part of the Numen of Numen descendant. The Numen come from outside the Lands Between (including the Land of Shadow that was probably part of it until Marika hide it), so the boats might be how they arrived.
For the big dragon, i raise the idea of GIANT GIANTS FIGHTING DRAGONS (there are stupid huge bodies in the lands between so large weapons are a possibility.)
Also food for though, maybe Miqella did all this so that another godwyn event doesn't happen. He tried to do some eclipse and I'm pretty sure that didn't happen because Rahdan is holding the stars in place, and the sun is a star so the eclipse was destined to never happen and probably gave Miqella a cruel reality check that this world isn't right, giving him motivation to be a god and fix everything marika ruined.
And one more is that Miqella was destined to fail. Marika cursed her demigod children, to be whatever they wanted to be, be it a lord, be it a God, but if they fail to become either, they will be sacrifices. Not only that, but since Radagon and the Carian Royals were once wed and united, their fate was intertwined with the stars, so if Rahdan dies, failure is set in motion. By the time Miqella became a god, it was too late because so many demigod children started to die (assuming you killed Rahdan 3rd, making him the first of marikas children to die, godrick doesn't count)
Honestly I had the thought Gransax killed this dragon after all the lands of shadow weren’t always disconnected so maybe gransax slew this dragon since the ancient dragons hate the drakes
@@joaseleneromero9838 or Floriseax herself. I think Floriseax used to be a really big ancient dragon
Meteoric Ore Greatsword item description implies that there were physical Gods that used physical weapons... Hmmm...
Could bayle have killed the Drake to access dragon communion to summon his wings?
Crag dragons can also summon yellow lightning so perhaps this giant Drake was able to do so too.
I used to have the same question regarding Torrent. But now I think the promo image was just taken long ago when the Land of Shadow was still a part of the world. Miquella could simply travelled there once or many times before its sealing. But then it draws out another question: If Miquella knew that a Tarnished is going to become the Elden Lord and fix the world then gave Torrent to this person, why would he choose a different plan to try to ascend to Godhood knowing it would lead to a conflict with the old order? Did he regret putting his trust on the Tarnished? Or was that just a backup plan in case himself fucked up?
Are we sure the three fingers are not children of Metyr? Since we know the Greater Will abandoned even the fingers, I could easily see some of them getting disillusioned or full of despair and reaching out to other outer gods. And as we all know, the frenzied flame is always willing to take in those full of madness and despair.
My Bayle Placidusax theory is that Bayle was so disgusted with the coddling of humans after the dragon cult sprang up and dragons lowered themselves to the level of human. Bayle challenges Placidusax and does a lot of damage but ultimately is thrown down from Farum Azula and lands on Jagged Peak.
It seems to me the Dragon attack on Leyndell hapened after Bayle had allready left since the attack takes places after Placidusaxes god left. And we know the cult came to action after the battle and we also know Placidusax didint want it, it was made by Lanseax and Fortissaxes alliance with humans.
The Bayle betrayal hapened before when Placidusaxes god was most likely still with him.
Unless you ment the Dragon Communion and Not the Dragon Cult then that was made after Bayles Banishment as stated ingames lore.
@draw2death421 Ah yeah. You're right on the timeline. My mistake.
The gate of divinity is a creation of the hornsent imo, it has similarities to the jar stuff and there is a lot of babel tower thematic that fits how it was used by Marika to destroy them. It probably is related to the crucible (maybe channeling it) judging by the strong faith of the hornsent on the crucible and its nature (all the body melding stuff)
Don't know if anyone's tried this yet. It is pretty simple. Get double grabbed by miquela and then don't beat him. Go beat the base game having miquela still alive, but you've been hit by his charm in the boss battle.
Yoooooooooooo you on to something.
My head canon is Ranni, Melina nd Miquella are working together to fix the lands between
Melina to restore death to fix the broken cycle of life
Ranni to take the elden ring and order away from the world leaving the world to free will of its own
Miquella to absolve his family's sins and curses and to unite the lands under his charm whilst he uses his newfound divinity to repel all outter gods
Melina restores death, Ranni removes the Elden Ring, and Miquella acts as the god and supreme ruling force in the lands between.
It's been tried to no avail.
Feel free to waste your own time with this shit and report back.
@@ninjacom3 F#$k!
I LOVE that you cover Elden Ring lore! You have a very soothing voice and I love your Zelda content, so seeing your thoughts and opinions on this stuff is great! 💜
I'm rolling on the floor at that little zullie the witch coded segment 2:32
18:00 So nothing to do with the giant corpses in the specimen room of the Shadow Castle that bear a strange resemblance to Torrent?
I think Radahn changed his mind about the vow so Malenia went after him. Maybe him getting a great rune changed his decision
13:03 Not just the two fingers, from Metyr’s remembrance we learn that the two fingers actually commune with her.
So that can mean that literally EVERYTHING could have never had the greater will’s influence at all. Which completely changes how we interpret everything we’ve seen and heard in the game up till now.
I have 2 big questions:
- Why is there 2 Godwyn catacombs, I mean they originally Mesmer's doing but the death knights just showed up and took over?
-What is the Great Chalice at the foot of the Scadutree for? You have to fight the bloody Hog Rider to get there and it even marks it on your map, maybe if you use Messmer's kindling there instead?
I think the cut dialogue is just that, a cut content, because the thing said are part of the grab attack the second phase does.
A thing i can think about that could make a "new ending" is getting your heart stolen and then try to end the game.
But we know that the DLC is set after the game because we are addressed by as Lord of Marika in more than one occasion, so idk, i think it's just cut content
Hey, Elden Ring lore nerd here! I’m gonna attempt to solve each of these mysteries as best as I can:
1) The dragon is likely a dragon similar to greyoll (although as shown by Zullie the Witch, it is much larger than greyoll), is a child of greyoll that grew to be much larger than her and escaped to the shadow realm, likely to avoid the drake warriors, such as us, but yet fell to the drake warriors of the shadow realm. I like to believe that that large weapon in the back of it’s head was either A) Used by the dragon god to kill this dragon or B) Was a harpoon fired from either a giant ballista of sorts or thrown with the strength of a thousand drake warriors (literally, as in a lot of drake warriors threw it there). It also is definitely NOT Florissax’s old form.
2) I like to believe that the reason they duelled comes down to their names. The weak, feeble dragons of today are NOT called dragons, instead, they are called Drakes. Placidusax is the Dragonlord, and since Bayle is the father of all Drakes, he is likely a Drakelord of sorts. So this could’ve been due to a war of factions.
3) With Zullie actually covered this in a video, and it turns out that these are actually boats of some sorts, which could explain why they are there.
4) This one is quite obvious. His father was VERY likely Radagon. I mean, think about it, Malenia was cursed with rot, Miquella with youth, and since Messmer is a child of Marika and Radagon, the serpent inside him. It makes sense. It’s also likely that the furnace golems look like the fell god as a sort of MOCKERY towards Messmer’s father Radagon for abandoning him. As we all know, Radagon was cursed with his red hair by the giants, hence the reason he hated it.
5) I have no idea whatsoever. I have done more research on this than you can imagine, and I genuinely have no clue. I think this is probably a job for a community effort.
6) It is likely cut content and I don’t think that there is an “Age of Abundance” ending.
7) I don’t think Radahn consented. It is likely miquella sent malenia to kill Radahn for the same reason WE kill him, so miquella can use him to ascend to godhood.
8) The greater will likely abandons a lot because it has no reason to stay with us. I mean, why would it? It is confirmed by Ymir that a long time ago in space, the greater will and the frenzied flame were two parts of the same thing, and they split. The greater will causes suffering, while the frenzied flame burns the suffering away.
9) The scadutree’s grace might be for a different purpose, but I still don’t know.
10) Who said torrent is the ONLY spectral steed? There could be a bunch, they could be a whole bunch of them, like a specie of some sort.
Anyways, that is all. If I have made any mistakes, please correct me!
The thing that makes 4) confusing is Radagon and Marika having a child (or children we don't know when the younger sister was born to be fair) before Radagon and Marika were a known pair. Like it's kinda silly to think after Godfrey left Marika just popped out Messmer and Melina without a known Elden Lord and nobody questioned it. Then Radagon went off to have 3 kids with Renalla. Then Radagon came back and had 2 more documented children with Marika. The themes being the same is telling but it doesn't make the timeline any less confusing to me.
@@tha_juice3262 Yeah, I’ve also thought about this, and while I still DO think that 1) Melina IS the gloam-eyed queen and that 2) melina and messmer are siblings and 3) That their parents are Radagon and Marika, the mystery to me is WHEN it occurred, I have no idea when messmer and/or melina were born.
Miyazaki: I want a BIG dragon
FS Team: how big ?
Miyazaki: make it part of the map
My theory on Messmer: The DLC trailer showing Marika ascending the bloody Divine Steps, and the mystery "shape" she is removing the threads of grace from is the eyelid of the Base Serpent. I wonder if she was consort to the base serpent during her machinations to Godhood, got pregnant, and killed the Elden Lord of the age, the base serpent at the gate of the Divine to ascend.
And so she went and seduced the serpent, got two kids, then betrayed the serpent and ascended. Seems to fit the seduction and the betrayal part of the trailer pretty well.
Bayle isn’t the oldest dragon. Not even close. Just the oldest of the DRAKES. The dragons with only 2 legs. All the ancient dragons like Placidusaax, Granssax, Florissax, Fortissax, And Lansseax are ANCIENT dragons. With 4 legs and 2 pairs of wings. Placidusaax lost 2 head and a pair of wings against Bayle. And he likely lost a fifth head a long time before that. Bc the dragonlord talisman shows placidussax with 4 heads but his model has 5 necks.
What happened to Godwyn The Golden?! In base game Miqiellas whole thing was to cure Melania and revive Godwyn
Well Miquella can't revive Godwyn because unlike Radahn, they killed Godwyn's soul and not the body therefore, can't place his soul into Mogh's body.
Having your soul destroyed in elden ring means permanent death
Godwyn’s soul isn’t chilling in the Erdtree waiting to be recycled because his soul was killed. He’s shit out of luck
He wanted to give Godwyn a true death (and failed), not revive him
It's okay if you didn't pay any attention
Ranni killed his fucking Soul.
It's permanently dead.
Miquella's 'whole thing' was not to revive Godwyn.
It was to become the next God.
That motivation was borne of a desire to cure Malenia.
He tried to cultivate a new tree with his own blood and that failed.
And so he fell back on his plan to ascend to Godhood, but it requires a Lord.
And Godwyn obviously can't be his Lord anymore,
Castle Sol's failed Eclipse Ritual makes it explicitly clear that's not an option.
So he went with option number 2 : Radagon Boogaloo.
13:34 Regarding the shadow thing: shadows don't HAVE to be 2d. Strictly speaking shadows are projections of an object that show one dimension less than said object; so every shadow is 2d for us because we're only capable of perceiving 2d and 3d things. Since the Erdtree is this cosmically grand structure coming from outside the world , we very well might be able to see only one projection of it at a time. So the Erdtree and Scadutree would technically both be shadows to whatever the hell crashed into the Lands Between.
10:29 what if the way is getting 'heart stolen' couple of times in a row
same way as we die couple of times before hearing strina's dialogue 😂
what if the way is modding the game to add in content that's not in it?
same way Sekiro Dubi put together the original Saint Trina plotline.
The coffins are positioned in such a way that they look like they fell there. And from an interview with Miyazaki he said something along the lines that "the shadowlands are the place Marika first set foot on" along with the cosmic nature of the story implies they literally traveled here in gigantic space faring coffins.
The shadowlands seem to be a sort of hell or underworld. A placard says all manner of death washes up on the shadowlands, the denizens seem to live burnt and shadowy lives. Messmer has satan like iconography, snakes, fire, and impalment. This along with the rune of death being removed implies that no one in the lands of shadow can truly die. An unending hell. I suspect that the shadowlands is also where the Helphen is. The hornset candles resemble the helphen.
In the beginning of the base game, I believe there is an NPC ghost that says something along the lines of a soul can enter the cycle of the Erdtree once they pass. However, those who are cursed, or live in death cannot enter the cycle of the tree. Here's my theory: The Erdtree was nourished with souls. Markia sacrificed all those people for their souls to make the tree sprout and grow. Ego: souls who live by the Shadow Tree are completely disconnected, and they cannot enter the cycle of Erdtree, so they are endless wonder in those dark forms in the DLC.
Perhaps the outer God wanted to consume the tree or a Fruit of the Tree, but Marika interfered with this plan by sealing death. All the people rotting away in the lands between seem almost unable to die of old age. Then the outer god abandoned the tree because it would never bear fruit with out enough souls.
The whole game, the grace is guiding us to destroy the tree, Radagon/Markia, and the beast that gives them their power.
If "seduction and betrayal" is used in the literal sense, could it be possible that the was another "first elden lord" before Godfrey? My thought is that, during her rise as an Empyrean in the Land of Shadow, she might have chosen an Elden Lord so she could gain access to the Gate of Divinity, and then played a double jeux to get what she needed, with the unknown object she is digging her hand into being their corpse. The lore is a bit difficult to keep track of, so correct me if I am blatantly overlooking something important
now the question is, will we find the secret ending naturally before zullie the witch or garden of eyes decode the game for it?
Garden already has it uploaded, has he not?
It seems Garden & Zullie have both covered it & it seems to be cut content.
i hope im wrong tho
8:49 From what I understand what the DLC was trying to tell us is this: Everyone in the lands between is in some way some portion of a greater being, we each hold a bit of divinity. If you pile up a bunch of people together and fuse their very being in some messed up ritual well... you create something truly divine. I believe the gate of divinity is actually something close to either an offering to the god (we know Marika was a miko or shrine maiden/shaman) or it could be that the gate is some kind artificial god itself.
The way to get the miquella ending is to put a shabriri grape on radahns head during the fight. Then, when miquella climbs off him, jump on him and put a warmth stone up his chocolate starfish. This'll do it.
Thank for a very quality video! My mine still blowing after i finished this game yesterday. Maybe we will get one more DLC for these mysteries in next few years lol.
Why is Metyr not the mother of the 3 fingers? Is there anything that says so?
The text specifically mentions only the Finger Hands and the Two Fingers. No mention of Three Fingers. If it were, it would say "mother of All Fingers"
Metyr:"yes i am the mother of all finger based beings, 2 fingers & fingercreepers alike"
Marika:"What about that burning 3 fingered one over there?"
Metyr:"oh..uh.. i dont know that one ..hehe..he"
3 fingers:"Look at me mother" 😐
11:40 in an item description it's mentioned what Malenia whispered in Radahn's ear.
"Miquella is waiting, O'Promised Consort."
If he totally consented to that, he wouldn't have the sheer force of will to stay alive in the Dunes, he would of let himself die to the rot. Even then, there would be no reason for them to fight.
My thought is that radahn was willing but the vow was that radahns condition for accepting was to be bested in honorable combat
15:50 I think this is during the battle between Radahn and Melania's forces, as the clean rot nights are all afflicted with scarlet rot, so they are capable of spreading it. As for Miquella healing the rot, the only thing I can say is that either Freya is tarnished, able to never truly die permanently from any ailment, and Miquella was able to heal her because of that, or scarlet rot needs a much more potent form of affliction. As in a stab or a high dosage or contact with scarlet rot, so getting bonked really wouldn't be a deep infliction, but getting stabbed, bitten, or walking through lakes of rot is.
I'd like to mention for 15:00 , in the dlc, there's a tower that has a slab at the top that says something like "this is the center of the lands between" even tho it's in the land of shadow, and when putting the dlc map over the base game map, it actually does seem to be close to the middle of both maps when put together, which makes you wonder, both maps must be connected in some way, even if it's minor like the land of shadow being the literal opposite of the lands between, like the empty ocean in the middle of the lands between
I think the shadow three was the original 'erdtree' of the lands between.
But marika created her own 'improved' version of it.
I also believe that the erdtree is taking powers away from the scadutree, which is why we see the scadutree bleeding something golden
The best theory I've heard so far regarding Radahn's consent to being Miquella's consort is that he originally did consent, but then the shattering occurred, which essentially provided him his heart's desire: unending combat. As a result, he changed his mind regarding the vow, which is why Miquella had to send Melenia after him, and why he fought so fiercely against her. After the shattering he found his purpose and didn't want to just be a slave to Miquella.
For the secret ending, what about getting your heart stolen and then beat the game without killing miquella ?
After seeing the weapon in the back of the dragon's head, i just realized the meteoric ore greatsword's description says that it was forged from the arrow of a god, maybe the same one that killed the dragon?
I think Torrent being formerly owned by Miquella is a piece in a story about how Miquella influenced us from the start. At the Chapel of Anticipation, before we fall down the cliff, there are Nascent Butterflies in the spot we fall from, and as we go to grab them, we fall. We don't see Nascent butterflies again for a long time in the game, so this was clearly deliberate. Torrent was another means by which Miquella facilitated our journey. After all, why would he have put so many of his crosses near sites of grace if not for us to never miss them?
I doubt theres another ending, im near positive it woulda be found/datamined by now,And the one about the greater will leaving metyr isnt even a mystery its outright stated she was broken leaving the greater will to abanonded her