Jane Doe COMPLETELY changed my life. When I first heard it, it was the most abrasive, chaotic, and unenjoyable mess I had ever heard. Now, after having listened to it countless times, it's one of my all time favorite records. God, it's so dense, noisy, but it's beautifully constructed. Another amazing video as always Oliver!!!
@@noilick i think It is the most replayable extreme metal/hardcore record ever made...'cause It has everything in between!!...It has the craziest tones,It has haunting tones Also beautiful melancholy when It reaches the final moments
Love Dillinger so much. You listen to an album the first time and it's just so discordant and unpredictable, but the more you listen the more you recognise and it all starts to take shape. It's like solving a puzzle almost
Worse Than Alone by The Number Twelve Looks Like You is the pinnacle of mathcore, for me. Unparalleled riffs and grooves. Punishingly heavy in some parts, while pulling off smooth latin jazz grooves in others. Odd-time meters run aplenty, but, unlike far too many mathcore / mathrock groups (and even this band's earlier records), they don't sound forced / awkward. On the contrary, their rhythmic complexities feel sophisticated and organic. Even when they play in simpler time signatures, the syncopations, polyrhythms, polymeters and countless subtle nuances make for a dizzy-but-delightful rollercoaster ride of a musical experience. maybe it's not a good INTRO to mathcore, but once one has an appreciation/ear for aspects & tendencies of the ~genre, this is a masterful 45 minutes of music to enjoy & (attempt to) analyze / pick apart. On another note... I always found Converge to be pretty boring.
1) Botch - We Are The Romans (1999) 2) The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (1999) 3) Converge - Jane Doe (2001) 4) Car_Bomb - Centralia (2007) 5) The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza - Danza IIII: The Alpha - The Omega (2012)
1) Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas (also, Treasure) 2) Beach House - Teen Dream 3) Fishmans - Long Season 4) Yo La Tengo - And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out 5) The xx - xx
These albums are all incredible, I don’t think there’s a single better mathcore album than Our Puzzling Encounters Considered by Psyopus. Shit goes hard and fast and ive never heard anything like it
Honestly dont really believe I just feel like searching "mathcore" one day having already known and listened to it for years and somehow find a video from someone under 70K subs with alot of thought put into it and the video was also posted a day earlier. This is truly fate. Life is incredible and music is eternal.
Awesome video, and you nailed the reasons for justifying putting 'Jane Doe' on the list, it's definitely their most abrasive and mathcore leaning album. I've never met a Converge fan that doesn't like Dillinger (or vice versa). If you were to add a 6 & 7 it has to be Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics Employed to Serve - Greyer Than You Remember
Five MORE albums to get you into mathcore: *Note; some of these aren't exactly "math" or don't fit in the 'mathcore' category much, but I'm sure you'll like them anyway 1.The Sawtooth Grin - Cuddlemonster, these guys are kind of like the Piglet of mathcore. It was a shortlived mathcore group, but my god did their songs slap, if you like Minakakis era Dillinger Escape Plan, you'll love this album. It is absurd, with descontextual and scathologic song titles, the guitars actually have single coils instead of humbucking pickups, which gives them a 'twangy' sound, something that really doesn't fit in a subgenre like mathcore but at the same time, it's kind of a signature for this band. 2.Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless, this is like Calculating Infinity except it's waaay more grindcore. Shrill, almost woman-like shrieks, gastrointestinal growls, insane blast beats, and entertaining guitar work. I said it's like Calculating Infinity because unlike previous releases from the band, sometimes the songs feel a bit odd, but not as fancy as maybe, We Are The Romans or Miss Machine. Again, if you like the stuff Dillinger did with Minakakis, this is like that except a notch up, at least in terms of sound. 3.Converge - Petitioning The Empty Sky, I never got into Jane Doe too much, never listened to it too much but at the same time never turned it down, however I always got hooked with this album, it just seems to be more thrashy than Jane Doe, this is the album that earned Converge the reputation of being 'mathcore Slayer' and it makes sense, they are fucking fast and loud here, which I think is a good thing. 4.Coalesce - 0:12 Revolution In Just Listening, This band is underrated man, they are really good and contemporary to all the other three bands I mentioned, except they're straight up mathcore, it has sections and odd time grooves instead of blast beats and high screams. I'm not sure if it could be considered a landmark in mathcore's history, but I think it's a good album. 5.Ed Gein - It's a Shame, I'm actually listening to this right now! I was thinking about putting Botch's An Anthology Of Dead Ends (which you should promptly check out if you haven't, it's a short EP but it's so good I consider it an album) but this blows me away, it's awesome, that's what I can say by now, it has samples from interviews, movies, and the usual odd time signature distinctive of mathcore.
Thank you for this video! I was aware of all of these bands besides Car Bomb, however, I had never done a deep dive on most of them. After watching this video I spent my work shift listening to all 5 albums and it was absolutely crushing. Thank you!
Just found your channel. Its excellent. My old band opened for These Arms Are Snakes at the Southampton Joiners way back. Meeting Brian Cook is the most starstruck I've ever been.
6:48 absolutely right xdd i showed to my best friend the album, he never heard nothing about something called "mathcore" (me neither) so when he listened he hated the voice, and he not understood the music, 1 year later he is fan of DEP and mathcore and math rock genres (he presented to me "Don caballero" what a project dude, brilliant)
Hey Oli, I would recommend this year's album Annihilated by the band Sectioned if you haven't listened to it already, some absolutely mind bending stuff ala Car Bomb
the chariot need some love! also, these '5 albums to get into' series are brill but how do you feel about a sort of '5 not so obvious albums' series. these starter kit videos serve their purpose but personally the unknown obscure gems are the reason I digest and flock to music channels
Norma Jean and the chariot are as main stream as you could get in the early 2000s. Josh scogin was the man! Although I fell out of love after the second album chariot released. Felt it lacked the inspiration and depth of his previous albums. Not heard anything from him since. Kinda like Unearth. 😂 Oh if you a big scogin fanboy check out luti-kriss! That's when he first came onto the metalcore/hardcore scene and that shit was amazing!!
The Chariot isn't really mathcore. It's chatoic and noisey but it's not written in the same deliberate way some of these records were. Adding feedback between riffs doesn't really make you mathcore.
@@waveemann8857 it changes time signature but it's from the chaotic side rather than technical side. The Chariot is more Mathcore than any other genre in the outcome of their music but they don't follow the same path to reach that conclusion.
I will never forget when I first discovered The Chariot. I saw their music video for Daggers on tv. It was exactly the kind of music I wanted to hear, especially Josh's vocals. Long Live The Chariot.
7:03 That's How Tripods Work by Oktober Skyline is another mathcore album with a fucking relentlessly brutal intro. Awesome album, awesome band, worth checking out if you like mathcore.
I watched this video during the pandemic, within the last 3 years and then I started digging deeper into Mathcore. Well, November 17, 2023 I saw Botch, Converge and Cave In at Roadrunner in Boston and it was an incredible night for music. I'd see Botch again if given the chance and that was my third time seeing Converge and Cave In. Wish I got into this scene earlier on but it's great to discover now.
Great list but It seems a bit weird to me that you left out Norma Jean's Bless the martyr and kiss the child. I understand that there might be a simmilar issue as with Converge, because that album is definitely very breakdowny and metalcore oriented but still I think that the album is one of the mathcore staples and one of the best and most influential in the genre. Dissonant, crazy yet very melancholic and moody.
Jane Doe is one of the most intense metal albums I have ever heard in my life. I have never heard a scream so ear piercingly loud, yet emotional and pained. Never have I heard a simple drum kit become the instrument to which the soundtrack to the apocalypse would be kept in time with. Never have I heard a guitar so fast and technical, yet so effortlessly played. Never have I heard a bass guitar that rivals the guitar in terms of how intense it is. And never have I heard a record so pummeling, emotional, and at times, horrifying, yet so badass, fun, and at times very catchy.
Weird. I was just listening to that Car Bomb album while I was driving home, wondering whether I would consider them mathcore or not. Then this video happened to pop up in my recommended videos. New to the channel. Have a like and subscribe. Also, though, I think Coalesce deserves a mention here, as they are often credited as the pioneers of mathcore. Functioning On Impatience is a near-perfect album.
Holy shit guy, I found the tony Danza tapdance extravaganza when I was like 11 years old and have never fucking forgotten about them, they had a massive impact upon me. crazy to see them actually being recognised, I thought they where suuuper obscure
Mate, seems like I have to check out that Tony Danze record! Enjoyed the video very much, your vocabulary never seizes to amaze me. Would you think about doing a 5 Albums to Get You Into SLUDGE METAL video? I would love to see your perspective on that genre, or if you have listened to any of it before!
So never heard of car bomb?!? Can't wait to give them a listen!! I agree with the rest of the lineup. Never cared Converge but can respect the role the be played in the metalcore scene. But hey quick question I always considered (The End "Elementary) and (The Human Abstract "Midheaven) mathcore... But now you have me doubting it. Where would you place them?!? I've looked for similar bands countless times to no avail. Quite problematic when you have a particular music itch that needs to be scratched.
still waiting on 5 albums to get you into canterbury scene, lol. calculating infinity was THE album that got me into fast metal before that i only had heard doom stuff. ill never be able to replicate that feeling of having my mind being blown almost like a shotgun blast to my head the first time i heard the first couple tracks off of it. i also feel like ill never be able to replicate that feeling of pure unadulterated intensity that I felt at first
Really like most of these picks and the video overall. Great in depth explanations. I personally would've had Mongrel by The Number Twelve Looks Like You on here. Also, do you think you'd be open to doing 5 Albums To Get You Into Screamo/Skramz? It's one of my favorite genres and I feel it's sometimes a bit overlooked.
I discovered Mathcore through a friend of mine, who showed me Car Bomb probably about two months ago, and even though I didn't really know what i was listening to, I was absorbed with it. Thanks for assembling this list! Now I have a much more varied pallet for this style of music, and I've found that this is the culmination of what was started with the punk movement in the 70s. It challenges everything that I thought music needed, and sticks the landing
1) Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss 2) Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse 3) Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane 4) Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky 5) Ulver - Bergtatt
Even though I don’t usually like listening to mathcore that often, I think it’s the most emotional genre of music I’ve ever heard. Every song is incredibly urgent, chaotic, anxious, and spastic, and expresses each of those emotions in their purest and rawest form. Also Jane doe’s title track is a really good song I know that’s not related but it’s a really good song
See you next Tuesday, duckduckgoose, seeyouspacecowboy, daughters (first album), Ed gein, me and him call it us, destroyer destroyer, and heavy heavy low low (first ep), are awesome "modern" mathcore artists
UM CORRECTION: they broke up in 2017 i miss them so much I swear Jane Doe has one of my most chased after guitar tones ever. It's ridiculously abrasive and punchy. I neeeed it.
I just found your channel and it's so rad. And thank you to the few comments saying #12 should be on the list. haha I played drums since jesse and I started the band. I was on rosy red, inch of gold and nuclear.sad.nuclear!! All the bands mentioned are for the most part brilliant. I can't wait to check out other vids. Stay healthy! Cheers, Chree
I saw Botch in the 90’s from hardcore shows in late night closed coffee shops and rec center weekend shows. So good. Such a great time of life. “The Unifying Themes of Sex, Death, and Religion” was hardcore of the day, then “American Nervoso” got better, leading to “We are the Romans”. Another one to listen to as well is “An anthology of dead ends”. It is interesting looking back now that they were a defining sound/album and at the time we were just rebellious teens listening and appreciating hardcore, and there was this off different type of band hardcore sound that was just as epic as the traditional type hardcore stuff.
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (feat. Mike Patton); Test Switch Isolator - Let's Dance; Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics; YOG - Half The Sky; Ion Dissonance - Solace; Starring Janet Leigh - Spectrum; Noise Trail Immersion - Noise Trail Immersion; Botch - An Anthology of Dead Ends
Fantastic video, I have always wanted to get into Mathcore and this is a great jumping off point. I think an awesome guide video would be a guide to The Mountain Goats. With such an expansive and varied back catalogue of music from the absurd mind John Darnielle, I think it would be an incredible watch.
First- massive props for knowing who Mahavishnu Orchestra is!!!! But. Honesty- the first three are enough. You couldn’t have picked a better 3 album introduction. Well done.🙏 once you go passed 2001, leaving out Daughter’s “Hell Song” album rather than any of the other picks..... but of a crime mate. Check it out if you haven’t heard it.
What’s sad (but cool for me) is that my band played with many of the mathcore greats because no one was doing that kind of thing in the 2010’s. But playing with bands like Dillinger, the Number 12, Norma Jean, etc was life changing. They deserve so much more attention and love, but feel like a bit of a relic from the past. Yet they can still sell out shows. It’s so confusing
I can see how Converge and their album 'Jane Doe' would cause a fission in the those who like to assign (i.e. pigeonhole) their music into nice, neat genres. For me, Converge really treads the lines (more than most) between Mathcore and Metalcore. However (and IMO), they have enough off-kilter shifts in time and unpredictable changes in song forms to spill it into the chaotic Mathcore genre.
Wow I haven’t listened to Mathcore since high school but all the albums you recommended are honestly the perfect ones to get you into the genre great work Oliver
i get why people say converge are more metalcore but they are definitely also mathcore, especially since they were one of the earliest hardcore bands to start putting in that more technical and dissonant sound into their music
Can you do a guide to blackgaze? I've been listening to a lot of deafheaven recently and I thought it would be awesome to see you cover the genre. You are one of the best music youtubers I know! You are so thorough and In depth with all of your comments and reviews! it's remarkable. Keep on doing what you are doing.
well in a world where if someone said mathcore people would starting yelling periphery or some shit, it doesn't hurt to pull out the juggernauts of days past haha
If you want some deeper cuts, check out Germany's War From A Harlots Mouth. While their discography is getting darker and less jazzy as time progressed due to a vocalist change, their debut LP Transmetropolitan is hard-hitting mathcore with insane drumming. I might prefer their sophomore release In Shoals for the pressing atmosphere, but Transmet and their demo EP are wayyyyy more demented and full of great rhythms and untriggered live drums.
I can't argue with these picks, but I have to admit I'm a little sad Coalesce's "0:12 Revolution in Just Listening" didn't make the 5. Probably my all-time favorite mathcore album.
Look up a channel called Lie Like Music. It's not necessarily a guide to them, the person who runs the channel admitted to not knowing enough about them, but he does have an interesting video about the fans. As someone who does really like them, it was an interesting video.
Just a quick correction: TDEP broke up in 2017, not 2016 Besides that, great video. Made me want to listen to Calculating Infinity again + check out Car Bomb and Danza
what about the band ΞΜΞRALD? their song Danger! was the first math-core song I ever listened to. edit: i think that I'll stick to math-rock and instrumental math-core, as I'm not much of a fan of the screaming but I would defensively have put ΞΜΞRALD's album Avantúre what with songs like green train, black stripe, spark! spark!, Danger!, Tonight I saw a Drunken Clown, and Time Travel, I find that this album really gives non scream music listeners a good taste as to what math-core is like without the screams, so they aren't instantly turned off from hearing the screams, I, for one am glad that I wasn't initially introduced to math-core through vocal math-core trash as I probably would have just been done with the genre immediately, as I can't stand scream music but I absolutely love ΞΜΞRALD's music.
mathcore and math have 2 same things:
1 math
2 brutal
Jane Doe COMPLETELY changed my life. When I first heard it, it was the most abrasive, chaotic, and unenjoyable mess I had ever heard. Now, after having listened to it countless times, it's one of my all time favorite records. God, it's so dense, noisy, but it's beautifully constructed. Another amazing video as always Oliver!!!
Dylan McMahon 🙌
couldnt agree more, i listen to it almost everyday and ive never gotten tired of it, definitely my favorite album of all time
hey guys idk if this is mathcore but check out mage hand
I can't relate more I still put Jane Doe in full blast in my home.
@@noilick i think It is the most replayable extreme metal/hardcore record ever made...'cause It has everything in between!!...It has the craziest tones,It has haunting tones Also beautiful melancholy when It reaches the final moments
i see Calculating Infinity in the thumbnail, i click
Franken Crisp great fucking record
Dillinger fans unite!
Bee Eater Johnson unity
This channel seriously has the best quality content. Always looking forward to what your next video will be about
my list:
Calculating Infinity (1999)
Miss Machine (2004)
Ire Works (2007)
Option Paralysis (2010)
One of Us Is the Killer (2013)
Dissociation (2016)
Lmao. That's my list too.
All except One of Us. Weakest album they made
@Cooper Chew I totally disagree, but to each their own.
I'd go for
1. Ire Works
2. Miss Machine
3. Calculating Infinity
4. Dissociation
5. Option Paralysis
Love Dillinger so much. You listen to an album the first time and it's just so discordant and unpredictable, but the more you listen the more you recognise and it all starts to take shape. It's like solving a puzzle almost
Bless your heart for crediting Botch. They don't get enough love. Frequency Ass Bandit is an essential mathcore/metalcore track.
Agreed. So sad they just took them off Spotify
@@pedros7341 they’re finally back on Spotify, and potentially back as a band.
my Spotify profile has been called "the frequency ass bandit" for 3 years lol
@@tpags7398 okumay spotted
Album: *Lost Isles*
By: *Oceans Ate Alaska*
Year: *2015*
It's my favorite mathcore album i've ever heard
Everyone should also check out Frontierer
George Endress Frontierer is awesome. Thank you.
@Tony Kubetz was the heaviest album ever ....until Car bomb release Mordial ..Holy fuck
agreed
One of my favorite new mathcore acts!
They're good but the albums start sounding samey after a while
Looking fresh Oliver. Thank you so much for all the videos you’ve made and all the music you’ve gotten me into.
Worse Than Alone by The Number Twelve Looks Like You is the pinnacle of mathcore, for me. Unparalleled riffs and grooves. Punishingly heavy in some parts, while pulling off smooth latin jazz grooves in others. Odd-time meters run aplenty, but, unlike far too many mathcore / mathrock groups (and even this band's earlier records), they don't sound forced / awkward. On the contrary, their rhythmic complexities feel sophisticated and organic. Even when they play in simpler time signatures, the syncopations, polyrhythms, polymeters and countless subtle nuances make for a dizzy-but-delightful rollercoaster ride of a musical experience.
maybe it's not a good INTRO to mathcore, but once one has an appreciation/ear for aspects & tendencies of the ~genre, this is a masterful 45 minutes of music to enjoy & (attempt to) analyze / pick apart.
On another note... I always found Converge to be pretty boring.
AGREED
YESS !!
i wish people talked more about this album i love it so much
Nuclear.sad.nuclear was a better album in my opinion
that's an interesting album. Put on your rosy Red Glasses is my favorite of the old TNTLLY
It might be because I like the weirdness, but I cant get enough of mongrel.
Got an ad for brilliant.org and in the start they asked "are you interested in math?"
We Are the Romans is one of the best records ever made
I love their more post-hardcore influenced mathcore sound, but the vocals kinda suck...
And for that, for me that album is just unlistenable.
@@Anarchidi that's exactly how I feel about it, if it had harsher and all around better vocals I'd probably appreciate a lot more
@@Anarchidi vocals are completely fine you're nit picking
Jack Smith American Nervoso is better
@@chrisryan2107 it's great but I prefer We Are the Romans
Wow, thank you so much for introducing me to Car Bomb! What a mind-blowing album!
Was REALLY not expecting Danza to show up in this vid but good work, they need more recognition.
Thank you so much for including number 5. This is a band that shouldn't be forgotten.
Rolo Tomassi are my personal favourite. Their first EP and the first 2 albums. Absolute ART!
Dream pop 5 album essentials
1) Botch - We Are The Romans (1999)
2) The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (1999)
3) Converge - Jane Doe (2001)
4) Car_Bomb - Centralia (2007)
5) The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza - Danza IIII: The Alpha - The Omega (2012)
Brutus Records shitty list lmao no cocteau twins lmao
OH YES !
Fair enough, I was basing it off what I like it. Might not be 'essentials' but still dope af
1) Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas (also, Treasure)
2) Beach House - Teen Dream
3) Fishmans - Long Season
4) Yo La Tengo - And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out
5) The xx - xx
5 albums to get you into avant-garde metal.
Sleepytime Gorrilla Museum discography
definitely bath by motw. it's THE avant-metal album
Leaving your body map is almost as good
1)MESHUGGAH
@MrMarioDuck i agree, patton is god
This video makes me so happy, i love mathcore. Not enough people talk about it. This is a great starter list!
Really love Converge and DEP. Great list.
Black matter device and Sleepsculptor are really good if you’re looking for more recent mathcore bands
These albums are all incredible, I don’t think there’s a single better mathcore album than Our Puzzling Encounters Considered by Psyopus. Shit goes hard and fast and ive never heard anything like it
Honestly dont really believe I just feel like searching "mathcore" one day having already known and listened to it for years and somehow find a video from someone under 70K subs with alot of thought put into it and the video was also posted a day earlier. This is truly fate. Life is incredible and music is eternal.
Awesome video, and you nailed the reasons for justifying putting 'Jane Doe' on the list, it's definitely their most abrasive and mathcore leaning album. I've never met a Converge fan that doesn't like Dillinger (or vice versa).
If you were to add a 6 & 7 it has to be
Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics
Employed to Serve - Greyer Than You Remember
Five MORE albums to get you into mathcore:
*Note; some of these aren't exactly "math" or don't fit in the 'mathcore' category much, but I'm sure you'll like them anyway
1.The Sawtooth Grin - Cuddlemonster, these guys are kind of like the Piglet of mathcore. It was a shortlived mathcore group, but my god did their songs slap, if you like Minakakis era Dillinger Escape Plan, you'll love this album. It is absurd, with descontextual and scathologic song titles, the guitars actually have single coils instead of humbucking pickups, which gives them a 'twangy' sound, something that really doesn't fit in a subgenre like mathcore but at the same time, it's kind of a signature for this band.
2.Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless, this is like Calculating Infinity except it's waaay more grindcore. Shrill, almost woman-like shrieks, gastrointestinal growls, insane blast beats, and entertaining guitar work. I said it's like Calculating Infinity because unlike previous releases from the band, sometimes the songs feel a bit odd, but not as fancy as maybe, We Are The Romans or Miss Machine. Again, if you like the stuff Dillinger did with Minakakis, this is like that except a notch up, at least in terms of sound.
3.Converge - Petitioning The Empty Sky, I never got into Jane Doe too much, never listened to it too much but at the same time never turned it down, however I always got hooked with this album, it just seems to be more thrashy than Jane Doe, this is the album that earned Converge the reputation of being 'mathcore Slayer' and it makes sense, they are fucking fast and loud here, which I think is a good thing.
4.Coalesce - 0:12 Revolution In Just Listening, This band is underrated man, they are really good and contemporary to all the other three bands I mentioned, except they're straight up mathcore, it has sections and odd time grooves instead of blast beats and high screams. I'm not sure if it could be considered a landmark in mathcore's history, but I think it's a good album.
5.Ed Gein - It's a Shame, I'm actually listening to this right now! I was thinking about putting Botch's An Anthology Of Dead Ends (which you should promptly check out if you haven't, it's a short EP but it's so good I consider it an album) but this blows me away, it's awesome, that's what I can say by now, it has samples from interviews, movies, and the usual odd time signature distinctive of mathcore.
Thank you for mentioning Ed Gein!
cuddlemonster is literally a masterpiece
I would say your missing Coalesce - Revolution in Just Listening and Breather Resist- Charmer.
I've always considered Jane Doe to be both Metalcore and Mathcore, while most of Converge's other music tends to just lean towards Metalcore.
I'd go further and say Converge is more on the hardcore side tbh
@@SinnedNogara most mathcore is on the hardcore side lol
@@fugue6943 Converge isn't that mathy but thank's for acknowledging that it isn't metal.
Fuck I'd never day they were Metalcore. It's like doing them a diservice by calling them that!
I've heard the album called post hardcore too.
Thank you for this video! I was aware of all of these bands besides Car Bomb, however, I had never done a deep dive on most of them. After watching this video I spent my work shift listening to all 5 albums and it was absolutely crushing. Thank you!
Just found your channel. Its excellent.
My old band opened for These Arms Are Snakes at the Southampton Joiners way back. Meeting Brian Cook is the most starstruck I've ever been.
YES ! I've been looking forward to this list ever since you announced it in "Deep Cuts Needs Your Help". :D
Most likely my favourite genre, glad you're drawing some attention to it and helping people get into it!
6:48 absolutely right xdd i showed to my best friend the album, he never heard nothing about something called "mathcore" (me neither) so when he listened he hated the voice, and he not understood the music, 1 year later he is fan of DEP and mathcore and math rock genres (he presented to me "Don caballero" what a project dude, brilliant)
Hey Oli, I would recommend this year's album Annihilated by the band Sectioned if you haven't listened to it already, some absolutely mind bending stuff ala Car Bomb
YESS! sectioned-annhilated is amazing
You are an awesome speaker; great information!
The list feels incomplete without Coalesce.
YES! I would put Bloodlet and the first Norma Jean album on this list as well. Even Harvey Milk's earlier material fits here as well.
Definitely
I like your channel because it exposes me to new albums I may not have otherwise heard of. Thanks!
the chariot need some love! also, these '5 albums to get into' series are brill but how do you feel about a sort of '5 not so obvious albums' series. these starter kit videos serve their purpose but personally the unknown obscure gems are the reason I digest and flock to music channels
Norma Jean and the chariot are as main stream as you could get in the early 2000s. Josh scogin was the man! Although I fell out of love after the second album chariot released. Felt it lacked the inspiration and depth of his previous albums. Not heard anything from him since. Kinda like Unearth. 😂
Oh if you a big scogin fanboy check out luti-kriss! That's when he first came onto the metalcore/hardcore scene and that shit was amazing!!
The Chariot isn't really mathcore. It's chatoic and noisey but it's not written in the same deliberate way some of these records were. Adding feedback between riffs doesn't really make you mathcore.
@@waveemann8857 it changes time signature but it's from the chaotic side rather than technical side. The Chariot is more Mathcore than any other genre in the outcome of their music but they don't follow the same path to reach that conclusion.
i always just called The Chariot chaotic hardcore.
I will never forget when I first discovered The Chariot. I saw their music video for Daggers on tv. It was exactly the kind of music I wanted to hear, especially Josh's vocals.
Long Live The Chariot.
7:03 That's How Tripods Work by Oktober Skyline is another mathcore album with a fucking relentlessly brutal intro.
Awesome album, awesome band, worth checking out if you like mathcore.
I watched this video during the pandemic, within the last 3 years and then I started digging deeper into Mathcore. Well, November 17, 2023 I saw Botch, Converge and Cave In at Roadrunner in Boston and it was an incredible night for music. I'd see Botch again if given the chance and that was my third time seeing Converge and Cave In. Wish I got into this scene earlier on but it's great to discover now.
Great list but It seems a bit weird to me that you left out Norma Jean's Bless the martyr and kiss the child. I understand that there might be a simmilar issue as with Converge, because that album is definitely very breakdowny and metalcore oriented but still I think that the album is one of the mathcore staples and one of the best and most influential in the genre. Dissonant, crazy yet very melancholic and moody.
I was about to say the same thing!!!!! Awesome album. Takes me back.........
Opened for Norma Jean, probably the last time I heard that name
Jane Doe is one of the most intense metal albums I have ever heard in my life.
I have never heard a scream so ear piercingly loud, yet emotional and pained. Never have I heard a simple drum kit become the instrument to which the soundtrack to the apocalypse would be kept in time with. Never have I heard a guitar so fast and technical, yet so effortlessly played. Never have I heard a bass guitar that rivals the guitar in terms of how intense it is. And never have I heard a record so pummeling, emotional, and at times, horrifying, yet so badass, fun, and at times very catchy.
Also, no love for Norma Jean?
Fear Before the March of Flames LOVE IT !!!
Weird. I was just listening to that Car Bomb album while I was driving home, wondering whether I would consider them mathcore or not. Then this video happened to pop up in my recommended videos. New to the channel. Have a like and subscribe.
Also, though, I think Coalesce deserves a mention here, as they are often credited as the pioneers of mathcore. Functioning On Impatience is a near-perfect album.
HOLY FUCK YOU TALKED ABOUT CENTRALIA????? It's literally my FAVORITE album, thank you SO MUCH. As soon as I heard Centralia, I was hooked.
Holy shit guy, I found the tony Danza tapdance extravaganza when I was like 11 years old and have never fucking forgotten about them, they had a massive impact upon me. crazy to see them actually being recognised, I thought they where suuuper obscure
Car Bomb = best mathcore band that is still going
ikr.. im here cuz i am seachin fo bands like em but im kinda disapointed
Your outro is so badass man. Also, nice as hell list, I gotta check out Botch asap.
Calculating Infinity blew my fucking mind when I heard it. Still a fucking beast now.
The fact that Dillinger did an EP with Mike Fucking Patton means I can die happy
Calculating infinity is such a brutal record.
Also, Dave Knudsen is amazing, his work on Minus the bear is neat too.
Mate, seems like I have to check out that Tony Danze record! Enjoyed the video very much, your vocabulary never seizes to amaze me. Would you think about doing a 5 Albums to Get You Into SLUDGE METAL video? I would love to see your perspective on that genre, or if you have listened to any of it before!
Fantano has already done a similar video, so it would be a little unnecessary. Its better to cover another new genre
palm boy69 Hence why I asked for Oliver’s perspective! I disagreed with some of the points in Anthony’s video.
albert same most of the bands he did were post metal and not sludge
@@somebodyoncetoldme9978 Post metal is just more atmospheric sludge metal.
@SinnedNogara that what I'm saying it's just to different to be for a sludge starter pack
The Trees Are Dead and Dried Out by Sikth and Fall of Troy's debut are bloody classic too
Great video! I bit sad you didn´t mention American Nervoso though.
Great video man.. such a wealth of information on some great bands and albums.. thank you
HELL YEAH DEEP CUTS WELL DONE
So never heard of car bomb?!? Can't wait to give them a listen!! I agree with the rest of the lineup. Never cared Converge but can respect the role the be played in the metalcore scene. But hey quick question I always considered (The End "Elementary) and (The Human Abstract "Midheaven) mathcore... But now you have me doubting it. Where would you place them?!? I've looked for similar bands countless times to no avail. Quite problematic when you have a particular music itch that needs to be scratched.
still waiting on 5 albums to get you into canterbury scene, lol. calculating infinity was THE album that got me into fast metal before that i only had heard doom stuff. ill never be able to replicate that feeling of having my mind being blown almost like a shotgun blast to my head the first time i heard the first couple tracks off of it. i also feel like ill never be able to replicate that feeling of pure unadulterated intensity that I felt at first
I don't know if im the only one that only likes D.E.P pre 2004 material
Really like most of these picks and the video overall. Great in depth explanations. I personally would've had Mongrel by The Number Twelve Looks Like You on here. Also, do you think you'd be open to doing 5 Albums To Get You Into Screamo/Skramz? It's one of my favorite genres and I feel it's sometimes a bit overlooked.
I would recommend number 12 looks like you over a couple of these, but this is a pretty good variety.
yessss Botch. i have that album on cd and it always sounds fresh.
HOW ABOUT 5 ALBUMS TO GET INTO NICKRLBACK
5 albums to listen to before i kill my self.
@Draevon May You dare insult Nickelback?!
LOOK AT THIS GRAPH
Just have a dude jizz in your ear and blast a confetti popper point blank range. Similar experience. 🤘😂
Replace Converge with Cave In - Until Your Heart Stops (1999) I don’t see Converge as a mathcore band.
Car Bomb released 2 more albums, and they are perfection
I discovered Mathcore through a friend of mine, who showed me Car Bomb probably about two months ago, and even though I didn't really know what i was listening to, I was absorbed with it. Thanks for assembling this list! Now I have a much more varied pallet for this style of music, and I've found that this is the culmination of what was started with the punk movement in the 70s. It challenges everything that I thought music needed, and sticks the landing
I'm still diving into PJ Harvey's discography and now I have 5 more albums to add to my listen list! Thx Oliver keep up the good shit
black metal essentials!
trve kvlt kid:
burzum
burzum
burzum
burzum
burzum
1) Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
2) Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
3) Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
4) Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
5) Ulver - Bergtatt
1. Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
2. Ulver - Nattens Madrigal
3. Akitsa - Sang Nordique
4. Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters
5. Mgła - With Hearts Toward None
Too vanilla I like when he gets into really weird shit.
mechalpuco I love bergtatt but every time I try to listen to nattens madrigal I lose my hearing for 80 years due to all the treble frequencies
Even though I don’t usually like listening to mathcore that often, I think it’s the most emotional genre of music I’ve ever heard. Every song is incredibly urgent, chaotic, anxious, and spastic, and expresses each of those emotions in their purest and rawest form. Also Jane doe’s title track is a really good song I know that’s not related but it’s a really good song
Yo I just found your channel. Love how eloquent and passionately you describe music
See you next Tuesday, duckduckgoose, seeyouspacecowboy, daughters (first album), Ed gein, me and him call it us, destroyer destroyer, and heavy heavy low low (first ep), are awesome "modern" mathcore artists
jeormes dream
Torrential Downpour
dont forget As The Sun Sets (pre-daughters mathcore band)
Jane doe rules, I think Axe to Fall is ultimately my fav Converge. Ah but You Fail Me too. It's all so good
UM CORRECTION: they broke up in 2017 i miss them so much
I swear Jane Doe has one of my most chased after guitar tones ever. It's ridiculously abrasive and punchy. I neeeed it.
I've really been looking forward to this guide!
Amazing video man. The only thing I would argue is that I think Danza 3 is much more deserving than 4
Aye! Tony Danza!
Went for the recommendation of Tony Danza straight away without watching the video. I am abso-fucking-lutely not disappointed.
Really cool stuff from those guys, no doubt.
I was so into em in the MySpace days. Never expected them to pop up anymore lmao
First heard of them in college where they were from. They blew me away. Hate they split up. Such a brutal band.
I just found your channel and it's so rad. And thank you to the few comments saying #12 should be on the list. haha I played drums since jesse and I started the band. I was on rosy red, inch of gold and nuclear.sad.nuclear!! All the bands mentioned are for the most part brilliant. I can't wait to check out other vids. Stay healthy! Cheers, Chree
great video and very nice picks. personally i would have put skullgrid by behold the arctopus in there
I saw Botch in the 90’s from hardcore shows in late night closed coffee shops and rec center weekend shows. So good. Such a great time of life. “The Unifying Themes of Sex, Death, and Religion” was hardcore of the day, then “American Nervoso” got better, leading to “We are the Romans”. Another one to listen to as well is “An anthology of dead ends”. It is interesting looking back now that they were a defining sound/album and at the time we were just rebellious teens listening and appreciating hardcore, and there was this off different type of band hardcore sound that was just as epic as the traditional type hardcore stuff.
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (feat. Mike Patton); Test Switch Isolator - Let's Dance; Rolo Tomassi - Hysterics; YOG - Half The Sky; Ion Dissonance - Solace; Starring Janet Leigh - Spectrum; Noise Trail Immersion - Noise Trail Immersion; Botch - An Anthology of Dead Ends
Fantastic video, I have always wanted to get into Mathcore and this is a great jumping off point. I think an awesome guide video would be a guide to The Mountain Goats. With such an expansive and varied back catalogue of music from the absurd mind John Darnielle, I think it would be an incredible watch.
Great list but I have to add my personal favorite: The Locust and their album Plauge Soundscapes. Math core is beautiful ❤
excellent selections there, but i feel like "The Fall Of Troy" missed out here.
Rockstar nailbomb and ex creations are amazing examples
First- massive props for knowing who Mahavishnu Orchestra is!!!! But. Honesty- the first three are enough.
You couldn’t have picked a better 3 album introduction. Well done.🙏 once you go passed 2001, leaving out Daughter’s “Hell Song” album rather than any of the other picks..... but of a crime mate. Check it out if you haven’t heard it.
abe the cop and the mullet burden back in 98/99 blew my mind...been a fun ride
What’s sad (but cool for me) is that my band played with many of the mathcore greats because no one was doing that kind of thing in the 2010’s. But playing with bands like Dillinger, the Number 12, Norma Jean, etc was life changing. They deserve so much more attention and love, but feel like a bit of a relic from the past. Yet they can still sell out shows. It’s so confusing
I can see how Converge and their album 'Jane Doe' would cause a fission in the those who like to assign (i.e. pigeonhole) their music into nice, neat genres. For me, Converge really treads the lines (more than most) between Mathcore and Metalcore. However (and IMO), they have enough off-kilter shifts in time and unpredictable changes in song forms to spill it into the chaotic Mathcore genre.
Now this is the good shit Oli
:disbumps:
marsvoltian :yeethink:
Wow I haven’t listened to Mathcore since high school but all the albums you recommended are honestly the perfect ones to get you into the genre great work Oliver
Tony Danza is one of the most underrated bands ever, if you guys want more Joshua Travis work listen to the newest Emmure album.
Botch perfected it.
Speaking of recent mathcore bands, I would advise to check out Sectioned. Their debut album this year Annihilated was incredible
i get why people say converge are more metalcore but they are definitely also mathcore, especially since they were one of the earliest hardcore bands to start putting in that more technical and dissonant sound into their music
Can you do a guide to blackgaze? I've been listening to a lot of deafheaven recently and I thought it would be awesome to see you cover the genre. You are one of the best music youtubers I know! You are so thorough and In depth with all of your comments and reviews! it's remarkable. Keep on doing what you are doing.
car bomb the only band still keeping mathcore alive
I fucking love this channel keep up the awesome work bro.
>deep cuts
>1st, 3rd, and 4th highest rated mathcore albums on rym
kidding, love you
Ben LeVasseur u right tho
well in a world where if someone said mathcore people would starting yelling periphery or some shit, it doesn't hurt to pull out the juggernauts of days past haha
If you want some deeper cuts, check out Germany's War From A Harlots Mouth. While their discography is getting darker and less jazzy as time progressed due to a vocalist change, their debut LP Transmetropolitan is hard-hitting mathcore with insane drumming. I might prefer their sophomore release In Shoals for the pressing atmosphere, but Transmet and their demo EP are wayyyyy more demented and full of great rhythms and untriggered live drums.
WE ARE THE ROMAAAANNNSSS
I can't argue with these picks, but I have to admit I'm a little sad Coalesce's "0:12 Revolution in Just Listening" didn't make the 5. Probably my all-time favorite mathcore album.
A guide to the cure would be very nice
definitely
Look up a channel called Lie Like Music. It's not necessarily a guide to them, the person who runs the channel admitted to not knowing enough about them, but he does have an interesting video about the fans. As someone who does really like them, it was an interesting video.
i wasn't much a fan of that video, I wanted to hear more about the band itself
Just a quick correction: TDEP broke up in 2017, not 2016
Besides that, great video. Made me want to listen to Calculating Infinity again + check out Car Bomb and Danza
what about the band ΞΜΞRALD? their song Danger! was the first math-core song I ever listened to.
edit: i think that I'll stick to math-rock and instrumental math-core, as I'm not much of a fan of the screaming but I would defensively have put ΞΜΞRALD's album Avantúre what with songs like green train, black stripe, spark! spark!, Danger!, Tonight I saw a Drunken Clown, and Time Travel, I find that this album really gives non scream music listeners a good taste as to what math-core is like without the screams, so they aren't instantly turned off from hearing the screams, I, for one am glad that I wasn't initially introduced to math-core through vocal math-core trash as I probably would have just been done with the genre immediately, as I can't stand scream music but I absolutely love ΞΜΞRALD's music.