When Star Wars remembers the source material...
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- Опубліковано 22 бер 2024
- On Mount Tantiss as it appears in the new Star Wars Canon including the Bad Batch, comparing it to the Mount Tantiss from Star Wars Legends and the Thrawn Trilogy.
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We must remind Star Wars that it's getting its source material from that mountain.
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In the Bad Batch, the facility is much larger it seems, than in legends. In the show, Omega’s room is close enough to the base elevation of the mountain so that she can hear Batcher howling and the tunnels from where the hounds are released are also relatively short (which seem to be not on the mountain side, and probably on the base of the mountain). The trenches on the mountain seem to go all the way around the mountain too. There is also a neighboring mountain that’s very similar to Tantiss.
These are huge facilities, but I guess they would need to be to house zillow beast cloning vats…
It would be interesting if Thrawn makes Tantiss his base of operations after returning. Perhaps the facilities from the Bad Batch era have been abandoned since then and still stocked with supplies since it was very much off the record books for the Empire and thus the Republic since then.
I think Tantiss is in Hux's control. He's theone running project Necromancer in the Mando era.
I bet Palpatine will order Tantiss to be blown up with Hemlock inside for the constant security breaches of elite clones running in and out of the facility and move project necromancer to the secret Sith World of Exegol.
The project becomes so secretive that even the Imperial Remnant have no idea that Palpatine had already succeded with project Necromancer and try to recreate Palpatine after ROTJ. That’s also why Thrawn went to Dathomir at the end of Ahsoka instead of Tantiss, because the latter is not a thing anymore in this canon.
@@kungolaf4499 I don't think the death star is anywhere near an option at this point in the timeline. A barrage like what happened on Kamino wouldn't be out of the question. Maybe get the same guy to do it. As he likely didn't have that Officer (I forgot the name) properly incarcerated like he made it out in the senate
@@kungolaf4499 Havok? Maybe?
I do see, that if Tantiss is not destroyed by the end of Bad Batch, it will be the return place of Thrawn where he will meet with Hux and Palleon. Don’t know who will take the dark Jedi role, but I’m hoping it’s Baylan in someway so that Snoke’s full origins can be released finally (such as to why he looks different than Rey’s father but is still cognizant of his own being). I want there to be more meaning behind Snoke telling young Ben Solo that he wasn’t always known as Snoke. I will be happy with Star Wars (100%) when Palpatine’s resurrection is completely explained. Not the bits and pieces were currently putting together now.
Love the bad batch. The animation of this and the CW is fire.
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This is literally the only show I care about from Disney. It will conclude so we'll have at least have that and The Clone Wars, this being an indirect continuation.
All the rest of Disney Star Wars I couldn't care less about. It's, at best, borrowing from already long-established EU (Legends) but butchering it in that special Disney way.
@@jasonbourneistreadstone Rebels, Clone Wars S7, Bad Batch, Mandalorian, Andor, Ahsoka.
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@@jasonbourneistreadstonehopefully they make a new animated show
Love the Thrawn Trology, it was one of the first expanded universe stories I read growing up. Seeing the artwork from it in this video was a huge nostalgia hit.
The Labyrinth beneath Mount Tantiss sounds like the perfect setting for a roguelike dungeon-crawler.
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I have a feeling that if they bring Tantis for canon thrawn to use they may have it contain already grown clones in a form of stasis. They may still bring back the original cloning but who knows what they will do
Palpatine was playing both sides against the middle through the Clone Wars and quickly phased out even the Camino cloning as conscripting large numbers of stormtrooper recruits was important to his plans for the Empire. Its entirely plausible he intentionally stifled, suppressed but preserved a superior process that would've interfered with his prequel trilogy plans yet might make an interesting contingency.
It all depends on what happens to it during Bad Batch, but it appearing in Ahsoka is highly likely.
Heir to the Empire, that's the real source material
I really enjoyed listening to the expanded material, I don’t plan on getting the books, so hearing someone read off of it I really enjoyed, which is one of the reasons why I joined this channel!🙂
Some of those legends era audiobooks and a lot of clips of them are available on youtube. I've been going thru them the past few months
While I can't recommend reading the original books enough, if you can't read then searching UA-cam for the audiobooks or audio dramas is an alternative! Listening to the fan made audio dramas is well worth your time, the voices aren't professionally done but the story is still the same and it's done well enough in every other aspect!
And it's free lol.
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That’s really cool, I always wondered what people thought the Clone Wars were like before the prequels came out. I learned in this video that people assumed that it was the clones vs the Jedi and the clones were evil. That’s actually a really cool idea, probably the inspiration for Order 66 in the story we got.
I mean, in Legends it was explained via CIS having their own Clones and "Clone-Masters" like Morgukai clone army that Pellaeon fought against and he recall it in post-endor books, and there was another Guy with his own cloning facility in "SkyeWalkers".
0:21 Please do, I really like the Victory Frigate
7:30 (in legends) maybe this was set up as a fall-back continuity of government facility, similar to the ones that were made inside mountains (like Mount Weather in Virginia, Raven Rock Mountain in Pennsylvania, and others) during the Cold War in real life. Having a huge computer and a cloning facility Palpatine could quite literally build an army from essentially scratch (similar to what Thrawn did in the book).
Like a lot of the recent material, it definitely seems to be part of the effort to rehabilitate Rise of Skywalker by explaining the "somehow Palpatine returned" line.
I love your videos about different Star Wars ships and more of them are more than welcome!
Bro always out with the consistent solid posts
Man, I love your extros, the corgi snarl cuddles is an excellent ending to every video you post.
Great video. Well done, as always.
I'd love to see a video on the Victory Class Ii frigate.
Thanks this is fantastic! I had no idea it went this indepth. This is pretty neat how they chose to incorporate much of the original mount Tantiss/
Filoni loves to connect his projects together. I'd honestly be shocked if Tantiss doesn't show up in Ahsoka or Heir to the Empire
Man I wish they’d consult you on their projects
Would it be cool if someone let zillo beast clone escape on my tantiss destroying everything inside the mountain facility and I would like to see the zillo beast clone eat dr hemlock to end the craze doctor.
The canon Tantiss base architecture isn’t completely like a typical Imperial base, so perhaps it was pre-existing
I have read on Wookiepedia that Mount Tantiss was once the location of an underground fortress and lab used by the Arkanian mutant scientist and terrorist Zeta Magnus, who entered Darth Sidious' service after Sidious promised him immortality.
The site was used as a major lab for the CIS' most important experiments during the Clone Wars with it being there that Magnus experimented on dashta eel tissue samples for the JK-13 security droids and where were laid the foundation of the Morgukai Shadow Army with the cloning tubes used and deviced by Magnus.
The Spartii cloning cylinders were installed here by Kinman Doriana after he had stolen them from their origin place on Cartao, on Sidious' orders.
I'd like to see a video about the BF 2 ships
I imagine that, seeing as Project Retcon (Project Necromancer) is taking place at Tantiss, the facilities will have either moved when Thrawn returns to the main galaxy, or that he wouldn’t know about it. I believe that the Night Sisters’ magic will be the Canon stand-in for Thrawn’s clones in Legends.
"Mt. Tantis at its peak" ha
Since we saw Thrawn heading to Dathomir I am curious if they are gonna clone the Dark Jedi who rests there - Taron Malikos. He kinda looks like Jorus, if you ask me. Mad clone of Dark Jedi enhanced by Nightsister's Magik seems like a worthy opponent for Luke in his current power.
Probably too of a wishful thinking, but with the amount of references to Fallen Order in recent media - who knows.
I always assumed that it was supposed to be an emergency command bunker just as much as a storehouse (and even that aspect seemed more like a cache to be used in a crisis than anything else).
Victory 2 Class Frigate is definitely one of my favorite ships… for some reason…
There is of course a way to keep both versions and have them be the truth. With Palpatine becoming Emperor he can manipulate the data. There could be two planets named Weyland and two Mount Tantiss installations, one stricken from most records. One the facility shown in the Bad Bath and one Palpatine's storehouse and fallback base. Hide one secret behind the other.
Most would end the search at the research facility and it would take someone with the status of a Grand Admiral and the abilities of Thrawn to see through it.
1) It's bad storytelling. You don't reuse names, or even use too similar names, if you can help it. Yes, yes, you're saying that's the point, but anyone who interacts with them is going to come up with distinguishable names for the places anyway, if only for their own sanity.
2) Logistics. You _might_ be able to get away with them if the super secret facility got all its supplies/materials/troops by way of the secret facility; otherwise you need a way for the outside world to tell them apart* to send stuff to the right base. If all of one base's supplies come via the less secret one, you still have a whole lot of people associated with the more public base that can connect it to the less public one.
* "Why do _these_ rations go to facility 1A01 'Mount Tantiss,' while _these_ rations go to facility 1A10 'Mount Tantiss?' Must be an error in the listing; I'll just send everything to 1A01 and make the next guy's life simpler." Of course, if the records never resolve to the names, you're not hiding the second facility anyway.
Great video
I love the Collection. On the Switch it runs like a dream and that one popular Galactic Civil War mod looks sick.
A potential idea could be that the Mount Tantis we see in the Bad Batch could be phase 1 of the system.
The Mount Tantis in legends could be the final phase. So if the known area is destroyed people will assume all was destroyed.
Hide a secret base near a known base and let known base be destroyed so enemy assumes its all gone
Well with the base destroyed the wildlife would be what keeps people away from it.
@@mightheal it's possible that some of the other clone tests could be on animals
I've always wanted an video on that imperial frigate of classic battlefront
The labyrinth beneath Mt. Tantiss shifts around? Oh shi--, the sci-fi horror move series Cube was secretly Star Wars canon all along! 🤣
I fucking love your outro I watch it every time
I am exited because I think that they announced a heir of the empire movie but idk?
They have done no such thing. Only thing confirmed is the Grogo Mando film. That's all we know. Nothing at all saying it will be Heir. Let's no get ahead of ourselves.
8:07 we will of course be using the air intake shaft to infiltrate the complex 😎. Thank you to the architect firn who designed a six-foot size air shaft 🥳🤗.
i genuinely wonder if we could attribute this base to Plagius instead of Palpatine at least the initial construction and how palps knew where to look for it.
Haven't watched the show yet but I thought the title and thumbnail means, *peak* Star Wars. 👌
i would love to see more battlefront content. i always wondered what the deal with those imperial frigates was.
I’d love to see a break down of all the vehicles and their quirks for the OG Battlefront, namely how a GR-75 is a frigate
Losing a planet to a "filing error" is the sort of thing that would, and likely does, happen in Warhammer 40k. It seems weird that the comparatively more cohesive Star Wars galaxy where you can get anywhere connected to a hyperlane within days would have this be a thing for long.
1:45 IIRC Pellaeon said in the Imperial conference call scene that he's building a fleet for Thrawn in Mando s3, so not necessarily so underpowered. Also the Empire is united (at that point in Legends they were by and large fighting each other because Tarkin's ex hadn't happened yet) while NR is inefficient and has a massive mole problem. So it seems to be almost opposite of Heir to the Empire. Also there's nothing that sounds like the Dark Force, and everybody fandom guessed as replacement Joruus C'Baoth (as if Filoni could not just import the guy like he did Thrawn and Pellaeon) is stranded on another galaxy or a good guy. The story seem in fact be jumping straight to the Last Command.
7:10 It's not. It's people writing source books taking something, not considering its original function and making it ridiculously overcomplicated, resulting in the fiction looking ridiculous in the new, unintended context. It's one of my bigger problems with Legends.
What canon seems to be doing is a Filonism of on one hand Mount Tantiss being this whole complicated structure, and Thrawn's cloning facility, and giving it a backstory tying it to his bosses demanding buildup to the DT being the bottom line. However, notably Tantiss in new canon does not seem to be a cloning facility. They're experimenting in clone prisoners, but I don't think we've seen them produce a single clone, or the equipment for it. It could be that Filoni is just grabbing a name and giving it a new spin, while the facility remains unrelated to Thrawn because, again, Pellaeon seems to be building Thrawn a fleet.
Want to ad that if remembered correctly cloning too quick had bad effects for the clone because something with the force, so Kaminoen clone tech with a low accelerated cloning procedure and now these cloning cylinders as some old tech that Thrawn can still use his idea of those force cloaking creatures, but can only wait and see what they take from the source idea.
One mill hits hard been watching since 2019 ish
I literally the other day tried to find lore videos on the victory 2 frigate so please do one if any lore exists
I would love to see a vid on the battlefront ships. Just use the OG Battlefront games, not the Classic Collection.
with Asoka ending with thrawn coming back to the dathomir mummies, i wonder if he will use their dna to help him make a force sensitive clone, for those old witches to posses.
#AskEck With Helldivers 2 being pretty topical right now, can we see some ship breakdowns of the Eagle Gunship, Pelican Dropship, and maybe even the Super Destroyer? Thanks in advance!
WAIT. I only knew Eck from his hockey channel. I didn't even know this channel existed 😂
Maybe Palpatine constructed a Sith shrine under the mountain, like the one under the Jedi temple.
I don't necessarily mind revising aspects of source material to better fit a narrative Dave Filloni might be cooking up. Only time will tell what thoughts lie beneath that cowboy hat, but what he and his writing colleagues have done has kept me interested in the animated series since high school! I would really like to see what they do with the M. count transfer in cloning... Maybe they link it up to Starkiller/Galen Marek's clone? Since they destroyed Kamino's facilities, I would think it was because they had no use for mass production and wanted to focus on quality over quantity, i.e. cloning force sensitives for a renewed Sith empire.
Huh, didn't realize that the lore said Palpatine built it. My only exposure to Mount Tantiss was a fanfiction during the clone wars era, it established the place as being one of Darth Plagueis' facilities where he studied the ability to clone force users.
Have you ever did a video on the other astromech droids and the one from Kight of The Old Republic?
I always thought Palpatine used the Jedi from the outbound flight project to try to clone a force sensitive and Joruus was a result of that, unstable as he was.
That inevitable Ventriss appearance? Could she be a clone of the original?
m-count m-count m-count!
Perfect test bed for force sensitive cloning, in lieu of any Jorruses or whomevers.
Kinda wish they had the Interdictor instead of the Victory 2. The Victory 2 in BF2 looks like a Lego kitbash.
I'm really hoping we see Thrawn show up in the finale of Bad Batch at Mount Tantis and then Ahsoka S2 starts with him going there. Get all the threads connecting and maybe, just maybe, this web of references can explain "somehow Palpatine returned"
I think it might be to early for Thrawn to be apart of the Empire. I think it's closer to middle of the Empire being in power when Thrawn is discovered.
@@mightheal Yeah, it would just be nice to have that thread exist. Otherwise we'd end up with some expository like about how Thrawn knows about Mount Tantiss
@@Superagent666 They just have Thrawn access one of Palpatine's databases. That can be done simply with one line of dialogue or they'll spend the money to do a scene but it's not a challenge.
Honestly - it'd be cool if what we see in Bad Batch was built by someone other than the Kaminoens, maybe an older group that was more advanced and could do it faster but just as good (maybe something dating back to the wars with the Sith and them trying to gain an edge) or maybe it was less perfected but still faster, something even more disposable than the Republic's clones, so you can get a useable soldier in 5 years or less, which lines up with what we may have seen in Mandalorian with the various Moffs and all as one of their projects, but at that rate of accelerated growing but the time their actually 10 their physically 40 - they aren't gonna last as long which isn't great in a protracted conflict.
You can make that battlefront video with the original games, they're still up on steam and I've gotten tons of enjoyment out of them in the past.
"We don't have any source material, books, comics or novel, so we have to start from scratch"
K.K 2014.
Which is funny since they have been stealing from the EU from day one
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, arachnids, Zerg, rachni,
Should say “when DISENY remembers the source material”. Because remember they influenced Star Wars ever since 2014.
My question is why victory class star destroyers never show up in any media . I really was hoping to see it in bad batch
I think it’d be kinda cool if, instead of finding Joruus on Tantis, Thrawn finds Mace Winduu in new canon.
Although, I guess the whole point of Joruus is that he has the Battle Meditation technique, whereas Mace was never shown to have a particular knack for that specific ability. Still, might be a good way to satisfy the folks who want Mace back without it actually being the same Mace from the prequels; Winduu, not Windu ya dig? A mad clone, that is.
When will* Star Wars remember the source material.
I personally would love to see you break down the original 2 battlefronts still, maybe just use the old games so you don’t need to rebuy the classic collection
That pic at 2:24 with Jango Fett looks really scuffed, especially whatever the hell happened to his antenna in it.
Can you do a video on the Katana fleet?
Do you know why wrath shields stop being used in the empire and on wards?
I could see the tantis base being destroyed by the clones and possibly taking hemlock down with it, this would be a way to end hemlock and tantis if they don’t wanna continue with it. Maybe the bases power station is rigged to detonate or its orbital bombarding
I can see the Bad Batch activating the self destruct system but it really only collapses all the points of entry not completely collapsing the entire mountain and with the perimeter fencing down the wildlife keeps anyone from excavating the contents inside.
Having Any faith in "canon" is a pretty funny joke
#AskEck could you make a video of what would have happen if Ashoka never left the jedi order and went with Anakin and Mace to confront the Chancellor about being a sith lord and how that might change the galaxy.
#AskEck can you give recommendations of Star Wars Legends books for the more hardcore fans. If you look anywhere it is all the same Thrawn and Bane Trilogy, Kenobi, Darth Plagueis, and basically anything from Timothy Zahn, I have read all of those and have read, or am planning to read all of the big series X-Wing, New Jedi Order, Legacy Of The Force and Fate Of The Jedi plus basically everything that is an unabridged audiobook on Audible and would love to hear some recommendations for fans like me who have read all of the big and famous parts and want some more obscure but good books.
I personally enjoyed and would highly recommend the first three Republic Commando books (I haven't read the last two yet), The Old Republic: Revan, and Maul: Lockdown.
@@Overkill-lv7io I have read the last two and own one of the Republic Commando Books and may pick up the others but am going to wait until I finish New Jedi order since they might be put on Audible since they have been rereleased for the Essential Legends Collection
All Han Solo related series. I also think Lando's series is interesting as well, especially for me since it features Sorcerers of Tund.
#AskEck: Why have dedicated Interdictors when you can integrate/conceal them into Star Destroyers and SSDs? I always assumed the bulge on the underside of Star Destroyers being gravity wells.
Amen
8:32 so what you're telling me is that maze runner takes place on tantiss
Look at what they did to my boy
There's no way they aren't setting up for live action Heir to the Empire.
OF-COURSE it was assumed the clones were the bad guys back in the day.. it was called the Clone Wars, as in they were fighting against armies of Clones. Dunno what the heck George was thinking when he made the Clones an army of the "good guys" fighting a mostly Droid based army. That would make it the Droid Wars, or possibly Separatist Wars.
I still wish the original Heir, it had been a deranged clone of Kenobi, instead of them making him change it to just some other Jedi
Iirc George denied this idea
@@mrzirak792 you do not recall correctly
Wait doesn't thrawn find c'baoth in a castle somewhere and bring him to tantis? The fact that joruus was a clone was a twist in the last book
#askeck who would win? Spaceball one or a Bellator class star dreadnought?
I am wondering if canon thrawn will ever find tantiss?
Lol I live in a town called Wayland
Perhaps its complexity was so it could be use how byss was used
I still prefer X11, Wayland isn't ready yet, imo. :)
Hold on what is going on with B.F 2
No way this channel still exists?!,holy shi# I used to love this channel 😅
Honestly what did people expect for 20 year old game they just released it they never said it was a remaster it has problems but so does the original.
So while watching this video, I began to wonder, are Filoni and Favreau steering the series back towards legends by introducing Mt. Tanis therefore allowing Thrawn to use clones upon his return in later Ashoka seasons? #askeck
Doesn’t matter if it’s lore accurate, if the writing is shit. Which you can count on with filoni
#askeck can you pls do a video or even like a short on if star fleet from Star Trek could survive a flood infection
#askeck Could you do a video on Episode 14 season 2 of Star Wars Rebels and how that connects into the over all universe?
Do a halo vid on the finale!
Starwars fans taking L's is starting to bring me joy.
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