Nice to see this album covered on UA-cam. I acquired the original back in the 80's not knowing what it was. Maybe knowing Michael B. was on it? I guess. Still a treat to listen to even now.
The problem with Led Zeppelin isn't that they borrow from other artists. It's that they not only fail to credit the original artist, but give themselves credit instead. It's why they've been sued many times over and have had to change their album credits, either to avoid being sued or as a result thereof. Even when they use a traditional song, which is fair game to cover, they give themselves credit instead of saying it's a trad song. And Zep's apologists are in denial about the band's plagiarism. If it was once or twice, I could understand, but it's like: "Whole Lotta Love" heavily relies on "You Need Loving" by Small Faces "The Lemon Song" copies "Killing Floor" by Howlin' Wolf "Dazed and Confused" is an uncredited cover of "Dazed and Confused" by Jake Holmes "Bring It On Home" is an uncredited cover of "Bring It On Home" by Sonny Boy Williamson "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" is an uncredited cover of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" by Joan Baez (among many others) "Black Mountain Side" is a blatant ripoff of "Black Water Side" by Bert Jansch "Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp" was stolen from "Wagoner's Lad" by Bert Jansch "In My Time of Dying" is an uncredited version of "Jesus Make Up My Dying Bed" by Blind Willie Johnson "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" should be called Hats Off To Bukka White, because it cops White's "Shake Em On Down". Zep actually copied the song again on "Custard Pie" "Boogie with Stew" is a shameless ripoff of "Ooh, My Head" by Ritchie Valens "I Can't Quit You Baby" is an uncredited cover of "I Can't Quit You Baby" by Otis Rush (willie Dixon wrote it) "How Many More Times" is a hybrid copy job, 1st part is "How Many More Years" by Howlin' Wolf and the 2nd part is "The Hunter" by Albert King "Nobody's Fault But Mine" is an uncredited version of "Nobody's Fault But Mine" by Blind Willie Johnson "Gallows Pole" is Zep's version of "Gallis Pole" by Lead Belly "White Summer" is an uncredited cover of "She Moved Through The Fair by Davey Graham "The Girl I Love Got Long Curly Hair" is an uncredited cover of "The Girl I Love Got Long Curly Hair" by Sleepy John Estes All would be forgiven if Zeppelin had given credit where it was due, but they didn't do that and their legacy has suffered as a result. The band features some of the best rock instrumentalists ever and a charismatic lead singer. And yet there'll always be detractors who point to their plagiarism.
@@chromeheart6597, and these, * Babe I'm Gonna Leave You * You Shook Me * Dazed And Confused * I Can't Quit You Baby * How Many More Times (How Many More Years) * Whole Lotta Love (You Need Love) * The Lemon Song (Killin' Floor) Bring It On Home Since I've Been Loving You * Gallows Pole (hangman) Bron-Y-Aur Stomp Hats Off To (Roy) Harper Stairway To Heaven When The Levee Breaks
@@chromeheart6597, Kansas Joe McCoy did not receive a writer's credit on it and The lyrics sung during the fade out appear to be borrowed from "Goin' to Chicago Blues" by Joe Williams, Lambert, Hendricks & Ross.
I am a big Zep fan, but it's clear that the whole concept of "Since..." has been taken from this song. Zep just added more gunpowder as they were living in 70's
+pitagorico and you forgot to add: and LZ took all the money that came after this song. Over 30 songs from zeppelin are rip-offs of other artists that never saw a dime. Some of them that could afford the legal demands processes won and afeter that they were forced to add them in the credits.
@@Rekeza yea ..it's called plagiarism , and if Moby Grape came out with this a few years after Zep's SIBLY ...Plant and Page would have their asses hauled into a courtroom before you could say Dazed and Confused
Outstanding ! the great Moby Grape 🍇 the Beatles of San Francisco ! Bob Mosley was great and Miller ! I saw them in Winterland San Francisco in 1974 and at Golden Gate Park 2007 50th anniversary of the summer of love 💕
It's funny that some people consider Zep's song to be a cover of this one just because of couple of lines in lyrics.As a song It's a slow blues song like ''since'' but musically It has nothing similar to Zep.So Since I've been loving you is Led Zeppelins song with all rights reserved .
Zeppelin could be considered the greatest "cover" band of all time, lol. Here is something to consider. Michael Jordan did not invent "anything" in basketball. Dribbling, dunking, shooting, all done before. He just did it better than anyone else. The same analogy can be made here. Eventhough Zepp's "ideas" may not have been that original, it is the "way" it was delivered that was paramount.
Fair enough. Zep would not be on my personal Mount Rockmore because of their "borrowing" from great musicians who could have used a few more dollars more for their efforts.
If they " adore " Jerry Miller as much as you say and pay respect to him ....how about putting his name on the writing credits ? If this were done today , Led Zeppelin would have their collective butts hauled into court and sued for plagiarism ..they seem to " adore " Jake Holmes , Bert Jansch, Sonny Boy Williamson etc in much the same way
You're obviously not even familiar with the lyrics to Since I've Been Loving You . It's not just the first line , there are lines and phases throughout the the entire song that are the same "I've really been the best, the best of fools "Said I've been crying "Don't you hear them "- both way too similar to this song Google lyrics to SIBLY and listen to this . Not only that ,the song structure is the same . I still listen to Zep , I buy the remasters etc, but the fact of the matter is they are plagiarists. It's not my opinion that they steal other people's music - that's what Led Zeppelin did - like it or not .
well , if you want to discount the first two lines "Working from eleven to seven every night Ought to make life a drag, now I know that ain't right" . ( btw , working from 7 -11 is repeated 3 times throughout the Zep version) , if you want to discount the best of fools line and the "Can't you hear " line which Zep ingeniously changed to " don't you hear ". If you want to discount " know I love you " and "cause I love you " in the context of the same song structure And if you also want to discount the fact the song structures are the same and the intros are similar . If you want to discount all that then you have two completely different songs . . I love Zeppelin too , I bought all their albums on vinyl when I was a kid , bought 'em on 8 track when I got a car , bought 'em on cassette when they fazed out 8 tracks . bought 'em on CD when they fazed out cassettes ...even bought that cube box set with the drawers that set me back 120 $ . But , they are , whether you or I like it or not - PLAGIARISTS - period .
+Tony Morielli If i read it right on wiki, the name and their songs where bought by their former manager. You can look it up if you like.It is a sad story that these guys (Moby grape) lost everything when they could have been famous.Great musicians.Cheers
You're right . It's written by Bob Mosley. When you lift lyrics and the melody it's called plagiarism .You're a Zeppelin apologist . " Heavily inspired" huh ? Zeppelin had a really nasty habit of picking and choosing lyrics and guitar riffs from other artists ( not just the blues ) and taking writing credits . Ask Bert Jansch, Jake Holmes and Willie Dixon - All of whom sued Zeppelin . They stole people's music . It's not my opinion . It's what they did
Nothing new, Plant also bit some of Jimi Hendrix's lyrics on "If 6 Was 9"... "If the sun refused to shine (I don't mind- JH), If the mountains fell in the sea (let it be, it ain't me- JH)" You be the judge
So, There is a lot of bickering about Led Zep in the comments here. Zeppelin had used so many songs to spring board off of and it's true they don't seem to drop the part that inspired them from their song but that's actually really clever and honest of them. It's a way of writing a thank you letter to the group that inspired them. The song, by Spirit called, Taurus Led Zep took and Stairway to Heaven came out of it. Taking small elements and extrapolating an entire adventure out of it was their specialty. There haven't been many people in the music world who could take basic building blocks and create the way they could. Cheers.
Not to mention that everyone did that back in the day. People played each others songs and did variations to them all the time. This was especially true of blues and jazz because of the whole concept of blues or jazz standards (songs everyone played since the beginning of time). In fact, it's very possible these guys stole some of the ideas from someone they heard do something like it. In those days it was an honor when others covered your song and they weren't in court every other week suing each other about it.
@polasco77 It wouldn't be too surprising given Robert Plant was a huge fan of West Coast rock at the time he joined the New Yardbirds. He was a huge fan of bands like Love and Moby Grape.
in '76 I gave a speech regarding "borrowing/stealing" songs & Led Zep was cited several times. say what you will regarding Eric Clapton;however, Cream gave credit to skip James "I'm so glad" on fresh cream lp & the $1500. royalties paid his medical care the last year of his life. Eric, Jack, & Ginger were class acts. page & plant not so much.the only thing that plant ever did that impressed me was in the film about hurricane Katrina (he was backstage with fats domino & said, "it doesn't get any better than this" he was referring to sharing a beer with fats !!! surprised he didn't claim song writing credit for "blueberry hill"
Happy after all the reviews, no dislikes!! Simple but yea...this version held so much of a carefree vibe and free of so much add ins. Raw!! I guess you could call it. Pleseant!
@jurgengaas1 They didn't "sample" it. True, the lyrics are mostly the same (as are many blues songs), and the tempo and rhythm are similar (like a thousand other blues songs), but the tune is different. The vocal melody, dynamics, and instrumentalism are quite different.
I agree Tim . Every band nicks a lick or two . No band did it to the extent that Lz did . Their plagiarisms are actually a fascinating part of rock history
I think Lyrer0 said it best, borrowing and sharing of lyrics is part of the history of blues. How many people wrote songs based off of Hoochie Coochie Man and Rollin' and Tumblin' for example? "Working from 11 to 7 (or 7 to 11) really makes life a drag" is the only thing that's the same between this and Since...
Zeppelin's song was obviously indebted to jamming on this song but they took it in a very different direction. Lots of famous songs get their start from other sources, it's all over rock n'roll and pop music. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
It says a lot about the guys in Moby Grape knowing what a colossal fucking over that they would have to endure for DECADES with regards to unpaid royalties and unfair business practices directed at them by their horrendously evil manager (Matthew Katz) and, how their lives have been a struggle to say the least (mental illnesses, homelessness, houses being destroyed by acts of god, several court cases, etc...). Yet, they very much could have easily sued the exceptionally wealthy Page/Plant for obvious plagiarism...and, easily win...but, they chose to be classy. Page/Plant should just give the $ to them. Not like it would hurt them one bit
Even though the lyrics are WAY obviously stolen (oh, I'm sorry... sampled and reversed)... I'm gonna let this one go. Even Jerry Miller (guitarist from Moby Grape, and a friend in Tacoma) said, "Hey. Like WE were never influenced ?" He's a good dude. No probs.
I agree that since ive been loving you is by far the superior version, but its just a bitter side test that they shamelessly and coldheartedly just lifted a few elements from here. It would be cool if they had written all themselves, you know.
I don´t think Since I've Been Loving You is a copy of this song, only share a few words. Many songs share a lot of words or have a common title and there's no copy, in that case all the songs were a copy. Think about it and be happy.
katkal3 that’s not enough detail. I get your point, but that’s like saying Fermat’s Last Theorem wouldn’t be proven without Fermat’s existence (that’s true).
Led Zeppelin were a group of great musicians but not creative songwriters. They took riffs lyrics and melodies from other artists. No credit given to the original artists. They did it so often that it's obvious that their songwriting skills were practically nill.
Yes you are correct, i believe i misunderstood you. Please accept my apologies. I have been reading the story of the band and it is a sad story, they sure were screwed by their former manager. Cheers
its was them did the screwing , ripping off everybodys songs and makin the money , they all got rich and only gave credit when taken to court en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Led_Zeppelin_songs_written_or_inspired_by_others
You're joking right? I have two words for you.. Rain Song.. try giving that a whirl .. its an underrated masterpiece.. All Of My Love genius.. The Ocean.. The Song Remains the Same… Over the Hills and Far Away… I could go on all day .. fuckin Get over yourself, like you are in any position to criticize Led Zeppelin for fuck sake.. I'll be the first to admit they nicked ideas here and there.. But to render their catalogue moot? or say they cant write LOL Im so sure.. get back to me when you've written a "Going To California"… "Ramble On".. or "Whole Lotta Love" and then we'll talk..
@polasco77 Listen to Miller's Blues live, and it shows how good this band could be live. Not saying they're Led Zeppelin, but they're no slouches......
I,mglad people still give a shit ,these guys were so beautiful,I suppose people r still arguin,over Since I've been loving you tho,I frankly just like to sit back and dig em, I remember u could get that double album ,free at some places
I'm Zepp fan undeniably, but this track is true blues, something Zeppelin tried imitate.....they failed.... i always thought plant's version was pain, but this is true pain.... guitar is ridiculous and the voice is deperate.... true desperation, no imitation
Zep has indeed stolen much, and has been forced to make restitution to the real composers of some of "their" songs. In this case, the righteous thing would be to share the credit, but legally, they didn't have to: They didn't use a copyrightable-length of lyrics or melody, and the other aspects of the tune: chords, rhythms, guitar riffs, can't be legally protected. If the blues had a copyright, one guy'd be making all the money.
More than a few words actually. Laid back blues feeling. Zeppelin was definetly inspired by this. I get what you're saying though. I just think Zepp went a little too far at times. But, when you look at Marvin Gaye, his version of Yesterday, he changed the melody but kept the words. Had he changed the words he could have had another song and not worry about the royalities. But he decided to pay honest respect. Something needs to be said for that as well see link ua-cam.com/video/z03AGPYA58w/v-deo.html
There are many many more.....They only inspired Led Zeppelin they did not make them.... Robert and Jimmy to this day adore Jerry Miller of Moby Grape for his inspiration to Led Zeppelin... They visit and pay respect to a truly unseen, unknown brilliant inspiration of their music....jerrymillersmusic
Zeppelin took this song and turned it upside down. They completely reworked it and made it into a classic. Yes, Robert Plant stole some of the lyrics but otherwise it's pretty much original.
What in this composition, as an original, is better than 'the cover' by Zepp?- NOTHIN'.... The same goes for the black Mississippi, so called "blues masters". Zepp only took the structure and refined it to an extreme level of perfectibility.
Moby Pearl? Oh, sorry. :D ..There was such a crapload of stuff done throughout the 60s and 70s that next to no one ever heard, such as this. I prefer my rock a little harder, tho. But these guys had something goin on. Pretty good! The singer is sort of like Eric Burden, where if you hadn't seen a pic of the band, you would've thought they were Black. That's a compliment. I don't mean he sounds like E Burden.
the lyrics were lifted by robert plant no doubt but this this song was not unique at all. go listen to "love that burns" by fleetwood mac. released the same year as this and they are pretty damn similar. a rock song in the key of a or c minor in 4/4 time was not invented by moby grape. most rock guitar orientated music is based on the minor pentatonic scale. that means they are pretty much limited to five noted in each key. they are playing the same five notes over and over again. you play the same key (or relative key), in the same time signature, shit is bound to sound similar.
Accepting that "since I've been loving you" comes undoubtely from here, it must be said that zeppelin's attempt on this idea is by far much better than moby grape's. In fact, listening to this shows what an incredible band led zeppelin was.
Yeah, that's totally true. From my point of view it's very dirty to copy material from another band and pretend it's yours, but you know, zeppelin did it all the time!! haha They were somehow on the devil's side, and that's cool as well. They also had Bonham, Page, and Plant, and were the strongest band ever. What are you gonna do.
Reading these comments is hilarious. Zeppelin did not borrow inspiration from this song. They stole it. It's the same damn song. Don't get me wrong. I love Led Zeppelin but call a spade a spade. Come on now.
Fans will manipulate themselves saying things like they took their idea. But if you copy the structure, singing style etc then you are robbing the song.
Ya , I guess Moby Grape , the band that created the song just didn't try hard enough , cause Led Zeppelin's attempt was better , but besides that Ass Backwards view , giving a group who COPIED their song and many others MORE credit than the original Creators , is also some what Ass Backwards . Led did their interpretation and changed the song , but that doesn't make them geniuses . Plus you don't take into count they were in better position to com along and listen to everybody else and copy .
Sorry don't agree. This is Raw and has more feel for the genre of Blues. In reality Plant Worshipped Steve Marriot and attempted but miserably failed to copy and sound like his voice. Jimmy Page selected him because of some similarities of Marriot. To me Led Zepplin was a 1,000% over rated. They couldn't compare to whom came before them.
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Bob Mosley was one of my huge vocal influences, and one of the best bass players of the day. Thank you, Bob!
The ONLY version to listen to. Many nights feeling loose and playing along to it.
Nice to see this album covered on UA-cam. I acquired the original back in the 80's not knowing what it was. Maybe knowing Michael B. was on it? I guess. Still a treat to listen to even now.
The problem with Led Zeppelin isn't that they borrow from other artists. It's that they not only fail to credit the original artist, but give themselves credit instead. It's why they've been sued many times over and have had to change their album credits, either to avoid being sued or as a result thereof. Even when they use a traditional song, which is fair game to cover, they give themselves credit instead of saying it's a trad song. And Zep's apologists are in denial about the band's plagiarism. If it was once or twice, I could understand, but it's like:
"Whole Lotta Love" heavily relies on "You Need Loving" by Small Faces
"The Lemon Song" copies "Killing Floor" by Howlin' Wolf
"Dazed and Confused" is an uncredited cover of "Dazed and Confused" by Jake Holmes
"Bring It On Home" is an uncredited cover of "Bring It On Home" by Sonny Boy Williamson
"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" is an uncredited cover of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" by Joan Baez (among many others)
"Black Mountain Side" is a blatant ripoff of "Black Water Side" by Bert Jansch
"Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp" was stolen from "Wagoner's Lad" by Bert Jansch
"In My Time of Dying" is an uncredited version of "Jesus Make Up My Dying Bed" by Blind Willie Johnson
"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" should be called Hats Off To Bukka White, because it cops White's "Shake Em On Down". Zep actually copied the song again on "Custard Pie"
"Boogie with Stew" is a shameless ripoff of "Ooh, My Head" by Ritchie Valens
"I Can't Quit You Baby" is an uncredited cover of "I Can't Quit You Baby" by Otis Rush (willie Dixon wrote it)
"How Many More Times" is a hybrid copy job, 1st part is "How Many More Years" by Howlin' Wolf and the 2nd part is "The Hunter" by Albert King
"Nobody's Fault But Mine" is an uncredited version of "Nobody's Fault But Mine" by Blind Willie Johnson
"Gallows Pole" is Zep's version of "Gallis Pole" by Lead Belly
"White Summer" is an uncredited cover of "She Moved Through The Fair by Davey Graham
"The Girl I Love Got Long Curly Hair" is an uncredited cover of "The Girl I Love Got Long Curly Hair" by Sleepy John Estes
All would be forgiven if Zeppelin had given credit where it was due, but they didn't do that and their legacy has suffered as a result. The band features some of the best rock instrumentalists ever and a charismatic lead singer. And yet there'll always be detractors who point to their plagiarism.
Taurus by spirit too .yeah love zep but Robert Plant always used to moan about the imitators and was guilty of the same hypocrisy.
@@chromeheart6597, and these,
* Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
* You Shook Me
* Dazed And Confused
* I Can't Quit You Baby
* How Many More Times (How Many More Years)
* Whole Lotta Love (You Need Love)
* The Lemon Song (Killin' Floor)
Bring It On Home
Since I've Been Loving You
* Gallows Pole (hangman)
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Hats Off To (Roy) Harper
Stairway To Heaven
When The Levee Breaks
@@monoped8437 yeah I’ve been through a lot of them ,what was when the levee breaks rip off ? Not aware of that one
@@chromeheart6597, Kansas Joe McCoy did not receive a writer's credit on it and The lyrics sung during the fade out appear to be borrowed from "Goin' to Chicago Blues" by Joe Williams, Lambert, Hendricks & Ross.
@@monoped8437 Many thanks I’ll check it out
I am a big Zep fan, but it's clear that the whole concept of "Since..." has been taken from this song. Zep just added more gunpowder as they were living in 70's
I agree with you when I first heard this I was like whoa
anthony ricchezza there is a webpage pointing this out
+sirpancho The lead singer of Led Zep knew these guys before he was with the Zep and played/sung some of their music. I read it on Wiki.Cheers
+pitagorico and you forgot to add: and LZ took all the money that came after this song. Over 30 songs from zeppelin are rip-offs of other artists that never saw a dime. Some of them that could afford the legal demands processes won and afeter that they were forced to add them in the credits.
@@Rekeza yea ..it's called plagiarism , and if Moby Grape came out with this a few years after Zep's SIBLY ...Plant and Page would have their asses hauled into a courtroom before you could say Dazed and Confused
Outstanding ! the great Moby Grape 🍇 the Beatles of San Francisco ! Bob Mosley was great and Miller ! I saw them in Winterland San Francisco in 1974 and at Golden Gate Park 2007 50th anniversary of the summer of love 💕
Oh, grape, since i've been loving you!
agree'd, melodies and rhythms being replicated is a part of what music is and always has been
very very good...........................................................................
Thank you for uploading this song. Thank you thank you. Wow.
Give these boys some credit.
>> I had this song but I lost, I searched a lot for youtube.... Finally ...... Tkx for sharing.
I love Moby Grape!
Love how Robert Plant slagged off kingdom come when Zeus plagiarism was even worse .Hes always been a complete bell end
and just want to point out, we're comparing music not poetry, though the lyrics are the same, the melody is fairly different and thats what music is
Excelent! Thanks for upload :)
Robert Plant gets the longer shift, Moby Grape gets the shaft
I never even knew the Led Zeppelin reference. Always just enjoyed this song
It's funny that some people consider Zep's song to be a cover of this one just because of couple of lines in lyrics.As a song It's a slow blues song like ''since'' but musically It has nothing similar to Zep.So Since I've been loving you is Led Zeppelins song with all rights reserved .
Poppycock
Balderdash
Egads
Zeppelin could be considered the greatest "cover" band of all time, lol. Here is something to consider. Michael Jordan did not invent "anything" in basketball. Dribbling, dunking, shooting, all done before. He just did it better than anyone else. The same analogy can be made here. Eventhough Zepp's "ideas" may not have been that original, it is the "way" it was delivered that was paramount.
Fair enough. Zep would not be on my personal Mount Rockmore because of their "borrowing" from great musicians who could have used a few more dollars more for their efforts.
If they " adore " Jerry Miller as much as you say and pay respect to him ....how about putting his name on the writing credits ? If this were done today , Led Zeppelin would have their collective butts hauled into court and sued for plagiarism ..they seem to " adore " Jake Holmes , Bert Jansch, Sonny Boy Williamson etc in much the same way
You must be a riot at parties.
You're obviously not even familiar with the lyrics to Since I've Been Loving You . It's not just the first line , there are lines and phases throughout the the entire song that are the same "I've really been the best, the best of fools "Said I've been crying "Don't you hear them "- both way too similar to this song Google lyrics to SIBLY and listen to this . Not only that ,the song structure is the same . I still listen to Zep , I buy the remasters etc, but the fact of the matter is they are plagiarists. It's not my opinion that they steal other people's music - that's what Led Zeppelin did - like it or not .
well , if you want to discount the first two lines "Working from eleven to seven every night
Ought to make life a drag, now I know that ain't right" . ( btw , working from 7 -11 is repeated 3 times throughout the Zep version) , if you want to discount the best of fools line and the "Can't you hear " line which Zep ingeniously changed to " don't you hear ". If you want to discount " know I love you " and "cause I love you " in the context of the same song structure And if you also want to discount the fact the song structures are the same and the intros are similar . If you want to discount all that then you have two completely different songs .
. I love Zeppelin too , I bought all their albums on vinyl when I was a kid , bought 'em on 8 track when I got a car , bought 'em on cassette when they fazed out 8 tracks . bought 'em on CD when they fazed out cassettes ...even bought that cube box set with the drawers that set me back 120 $ .
But , they are , whether you or I like it or not - PLAGIARISTS - period .
+Tony Morielli If i read it right on wiki, the name and their songs where bought by their former manager. You can look it up if you like.It is a sad story that these guys (Moby grape) lost everything when they could have been famous.Great musicians.Cheers
You're right . It's written by Bob Mosley. When you lift lyrics and the melody it's called plagiarism .You're a Zeppelin apologist . " Heavily inspired" huh ? Zeppelin had a really nasty habit of picking and choosing lyrics and guitar riffs from other artists ( not just the blues ) and taking writing credits . Ask Bert Jansch, Jake Holmes and Willie Dixon - All of whom sued Zeppelin . They stole people's music . It's not my opinion . It's what they did
Nothing new, Plant also bit some of Jimi Hendrix's lyrics on "If 6 Was 9"... "If the sun refused to shine (I don't mind- JH), If the mountains fell in the sea (let it be, it ain't me- JH)" You be the judge
Awesome Either this one or Zepps Version........................Meaningful songs if you hear the story being told.
So, There is a lot of bickering about Led Zep in the comments here. Zeppelin had used so many songs to spring board off of and it's true they don't seem to drop the part that inspired them from their song but that's actually really clever and honest of them. It's a way of writing a thank you letter to the group that inspired them. The song, by Spirit called, Taurus Led Zep took and Stairway to Heaven came out of it. Taking small elements and extrapolating an entire adventure out of it was their specialty. There haven't been many people in the music world who could take basic building blocks and create the way they could. Cheers.
Baloney
it's bs. There's a lawsuit going on about this issue right now. I hope the members of Spirit lose
Not to mention that everyone did that back in the day. People played each others songs and did variations to them all the time. This was especially true of blues and jazz because of the whole concept of blues or jazz standards (songs everyone played since the beginning of time). In fact, it's very possible these guys stole some of the ideas from someone they heard do something like it. In those days it was an honor when others covered your song and they weren't in court every other week suing each other about it.
So..... Perfect! That's it.
lol I thought the same thing. Both are amazing bands in there own way!
@polasco77
It wouldn't be too surprising given Robert Plant was a huge fan of West Coast rock at the time he joined the New Yardbirds. He was a huge fan of bands like Love and Moby Grape.
in '76 I gave a speech regarding "borrowing/stealing" songs & Led Zep was cited several times. say what you will regarding Eric Clapton;however, Cream gave credit to skip James "I'm so glad" on fresh cream lp & the $1500. royalties paid his medical care the last year of his life. Eric, Jack, & Ginger were class acts. page & plant not so much.the only thing that plant ever did that impressed me was in the film about hurricane Katrina (he was backstage with fats domino & said, "it doesn't get any better than this" he was referring to sharing a beer with fats !!! surprised he didn't claim song writing credit for "blueberry hill"
Happy after all the reviews, no dislikes!! Simple but yea...this version held so much of a carefree vibe and free of so much add ins. Raw!! I guess you could call it. Pleseant!
Who said anything about Double Trouble? And Since I Been Loving You is definitely an Otis Rush tune.
@jurgengaas1 They didn't "sample" it. True, the lyrics are mostly the same (as are many blues songs), and the tempo and rhythm are similar (like a thousand other blues songs), but the tune is different. The vocal melody, dynamics, and instrumentalism are quite different.
I agree Tim . Every band nicks a lick or two . No band did it to the extent that Lz did . Their plagiarisms are actually a fascinating part of rock history
working from 11 to 7? I work 6 to 6 every night really makes life a drag -_-
fantástica!
I'm bad...I'm sure I USED to know that! The Animals. Man, that's a LONG time ago.
I think Lyrer0 said it best, borrowing and sharing of lyrics is part of the history of blues. How many people wrote songs based off of Hoochie Coochie Man and Rollin' and Tumblin' for example? "Working from 11 to 7 (or 7 to 11) really makes life a drag" is the only thing that's the same between this and Since...
Zeppelin's song was obviously indebted to jamming on this song but they took it in a very different direction. Lots of famous songs get their start from other sources, it's all over rock n'roll and pop music. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
They even used the same lyrics.
Since I've Been Loving You........... Led Zeppelin!
Believe that's Mike Bloomfield on guitar
TREMENDO ALBUM!!!
USED TO LIKE LED ZEPLEN, JC NOW MY MAN. GRAPE JAM R-E-A-L-L-Y G-O-O-D.
It says a lot about the guys in Moby Grape knowing what a colossal fucking over that they would have to endure for DECADES with regards to unpaid royalties and unfair business practices directed at them by their horrendously evil manager (Matthew Katz) and, how their lives have been a struggle to say the least (mental illnesses, homelessness, houses being destroyed by acts of god, several court cases, etc...). Yet, they very much could have easily sued the exceptionally wealthy Page/Plant for obvious plagiarism...and, easily win...but, they chose to be classy.
Page/Plant should just give the $ to them. Not like it would hurt them one bit
Actually, Since I Been Lovin You did not come from here. It is an Otis Rush tune. I like both Moby's and Zeppelins versions but Otis is the man!
A whole what seven words?! Someone strip the Zeppelin of their credibility immediately!
@@hunterrobinson7682 oh please shut up
Even though the lyrics are WAY obviously stolen (oh, I'm sorry... sampled and reversed)... I'm gonna let this one go.
Even Jerry Miller (guitarist from Moby Grape, and a friend in Tacoma) said, "Hey. Like WE were never influenced ?"
He's a good dude. No probs.
Jammie ....
and everyone that has used the I, IV, V progression in a song...?
I agree that since ive been loving you is by far the superior version, but its just a bitter side test that they shamelessly and coldheartedly just lifted a few elements from here. It would be cool if they had written all themselves, you know.
I don´t think Since I've Been Loving You is a copy of this song, only share a few words. Many songs share a lot of words or have a common title and there's no copy, in that case all the songs were a copy. Think about it and be happy.
In some parts of the song, even vocal phrases are the same
i dont think since ive been loving you wouldve been written if this song didnt exist
katkal3 that’s not enough detail. I get your point, but that’s like saying Fermat’s Last Theorem wouldn’t be proven without Fermat’s existence (that’s true).
got this record for free today because it was a promo or something
+Timothy Lewis You made out! it is a great album. I found it yesterday and paid two bucks. Some great music in this album.
Cheers
Led Zeppelin were a group of great musicians but not creative songwriters. They took riffs lyrics and melodies from other artists. No credit given to the original artists. They did it so often that it's obvious that their songwriting skills were practically nill.
+Michaela And why do you say that? I am curious.
Yes you are correct, i believe i misunderstood you. Please accept my apologies.
I have been reading the story of the band and it is a sad story, they sure were screwed by their former manager.
Cheers
its was them did the screwing , ripping off everybodys songs and makin the money , they all got rich and only gave credit when taken to court
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Led_Zeppelin_songs_written_or_inspired_by_others
You're joking right? I have two words for you.. Rain Song.. try giving that a whirl .. its an underrated masterpiece.. All Of My Love genius.. The Ocean.. The Song Remains the Same… Over the Hills and Far Away… I could go on all day .. fuckin Get over yourself, like you are in any position to criticize Led Zeppelin for fuck sake.. I'll be the first to admit they nicked ideas here and there.. But to render their catalogue moot? or say they cant write LOL
Im so sure.. get back to me when you've written a "Going To California"… "Ramble On".. or "Whole Lotta Love" and then we'll talk..
They nicked ideas? Thats a huge understatement. Where they talened? Absolutely..Fantastic musicians. Yes. But writers of unique songs. No..
@polasco77 Listen to Miller's Blues live, and it shows how good this band could be live. Not saying they're Led Zeppelin, but they're no slouches......
The guitar playing is very Wes Montgomery
@babystinky Sibly isn't a cover.
Despite the similaritys involving lyrics it is far from a cover
I,mglad people still give a shit ,these guys were so beautiful,I suppose people r still arguin,over Since I've been loving you tho,I frankly just like to sit back and dig em, I remember u could get that double album ,free at some places
Zeppelin didn't "cover" this tune, they resurrected it from the dead the way Jesus did to Lazarus. Even better!!!
I feel pretty sad about the whole thing.
led zeppelin must have used this for Since I've Been Loving You
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I FIRST HEAD THIS
+MichaelHansenFUN ding ding (what does he win johnny)
***** its on an old webpage
11-7 = 8 hours , 7-11 = 16 hours.
It pisses me off that zep took this one, makes me kinda sad, cuz zeps version is monumental. sad, sad.
but don't get me wrong, this song is great
I would be soo pissed off if someone stole this song from me, ohh wait.....
I'm Zepp fan undeniably, but this track is true blues, something Zeppelin tried imitate.....they failed.... i always thought plant's version was pain, but this is true pain.... guitar is ridiculous and the voice is deperate.... true desperation, no imitation
lol! :P
Zep has indeed stolen much, and has been forced to make restitution to the real composers of some of "their" songs. In this case, the righteous thing would be to share the credit, but legally, they didn't have to: They didn't use a copyrightable-length of lyrics or melody, and the other aspects of the tune: chords, rhythms, guitar riffs, can't be legally protected. If the blues had a copyright, one guy'd be making all the money.
Actually it shows what an incredible plagiarists they were
A couple of words but a completely different song. It was inspiration not stealing.
More than a few words actually. Laid back blues feeling. Zeppelin was definetly inspired by this. I get what you're saying though. I just think Zepp went a little too far at times. But, when you look at Marvin Gaye, his version of Yesterday, he changed the melody but kept the words. Had he changed the words he could have had another song and not worry about the royalities. But he decided to pay honest respect. Something needs to be said for that as well see link
ua-cam.com/video/z03AGPYA58w/v-deo.html
"a couple of words"? that's a cop out. lawyers think like that.the intent is to deceive-not cool.
Burdon (With and O) :)
Jimmy page was a blues technician; he took the best of.. and he remastered it to the greatest is
Page was a blues rock guy who got really sloppy after awhile
There are many many more.....They only inspired Led Zeppelin they did not make them.... Robert and Jimmy to this day adore Jerry Miller of Moby Grape for his inspiration to Led Zeppelin... They visit and pay respect to a truly unseen, unknown brilliant inspiration of their music....jerrymillersmusic
Ask Robert.....lol
Zeppelin took this song and turned it upside down. They completely reworked it and made it into a classic. Yes, Robert Plant stole some of the lyrics but otherwise it's pretty much original.
Theft is SO cool !
hahahahahahaahahahaha
This would be a great song for Lady Gaga to redo with a piano instead of a guitar.
just my opinion. KISSES!!
What in this composition, as an original, is better than 'the cover' by Zepp?- NOTHIN'.... The same goes for the black Mississippi, so called "blues masters". Zepp only took the structure and refined it to an extreme level of perfectibility.
Moby Pearl? Oh, sorry. :D ..There was such a crapload of stuff done throughout the 60s and 70s that next to no one ever heard, such as this. I prefer my rock a little harder, tho. But these guys had something goin on. Pretty good! The singer is sort of like Eric Burden, where if you hadn't seen a pic of the band, you would've thought they were Black. That's a compliment. I don't mean he sounds like E Burden.
the lyrics were lifted by robert plant no doubt but this this song was not unique at all. go listen to "love that burns" by fleetwood mac. released the same year as this and they are pretty damn similar. a rock song in the key of a or c minor in 4/4 time was not invented by moby grape.
most rock guitar orientated music is based on the minor pentatonic scale. that means they are pretty much limited to five noted in each key. they are playing the same five notes over and over again. you play the same key (or relative key), in the same time signature, shit is bound to sound similar.
Accepting that "since I've been loving you" comes undoubtely from here, it must be said that zeppelin's attempt on this idea is by far much better than moby grape's. In fact, listening to this shows what an incredible band led zeppelin was.
robert you could have at least tried a little harder with the lyrics come on ahhaha
And Jimmy with the guitar
Hey, some women can be very demanding.
led zeppelin just sampled this track..
Yeah, that's totally true. From my point of view it's very dirty to copy material from another band and pretend it's yours, but you know, zeppelin did it all the time!! haha They were somehow on the devil's side, and that's cool as well. They also had Bonham, Page, and Plant, and were the strongest band ever. What are you gonna do.
406 views? tha fuck?
You're right, Led Zeppelin is an incredible band... I mean, cover band.
No its not. Just because a song is 12 bar blues in 3/4 time doesn’t make it the same.
Reading these comments is hilarious. Zeppelin did not borrow inspiration from this song. They stole it. It's the same damn song. Don't get me wrong. I love Led Zeppelin but call a spade a spade. Come on now.
Fans will manipulate themselves saying things like they took their idea.
But if you copy the structure, singing style etc then you are robbing the song.
By far "much better" than Moby Grape's? That's just your opinion...not fact.
Since I've been copying you...copying from seven to eleven every night...
Led Zeppelin is better than Moby Grape, but I think that Since I've Been Loving You should be its own song.
11-7? robert plant works longer (7-11)
Ya , I guess Moby Grape , the band that created the song just didn't try hard enough , cause Led Zeppelin's attempt was better , but besides that Ass Backwards view , giving a group who COPIED their song and many others MORE credit than the original Creators , is also some what Ass Backwards . Led did their interpretation and changed the song , but that doesn't make them geniuses . Plus you don't take into count they were in better position to com along and listen to everybody else and copy .
"Plagiarism", instead of "Tribute", is what those ears untrained in blues hear in these cases. Go and learn how blues is done my friends.
This version is 10x better than Led Zeppelin's ripoff
Sorry don't agree. This is Raw and has more feel for the genre of Blues. In reality Plant Worshipped Steve Marriot and attempted but miserably failed to copy and sound like his voice. Jimmy Page selected him because of some similarities of Marriot. To me Led Zepplin was a 1,000% over rated. They couldn't compare to whom came before them.
Wow this is a blatant rip off that got away. oh well .
this song sucks compared to since ive been loving you.. the intro lyrics are the same just in a different order.. everything else is different
Boring.
The real question is why did Led Zep steal from such shitty bands.
What would you say is a good band