Our CYBERTRUCK - Should We Cancel?
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Don’t sell Seemore until you have thoroughly tested the cyber truck for at least a year.
stay away not convent yet too early in the growth of battery vehicles
I keep getting this picture in my mind of a CyberTruck going down the road with a Champion generator mounted on the top to give it more range.
LOL that image has crossed my mind also … let’s call it the Champion range extender 😂
Better, a wind-turbine generator! 😅
@@tedwalford7615 Holy Perpetual Motion machine, Batman!
Picture your current cargo load for a national park trip, including everything in Seemore's bed and the "rooftop" box. Consider your preference for spontaneously traveling long distances. Does short range and extended recharge time at carefully planned stops fit the LoLoHo model? Does giving up bed space for the extra batteries make any sense for you? (I'm thinking no.) I'm picturing how ubiquitous Diesel is on the highway, and yet you've nearly run dry before.
Yes, cancel! Stick with a diesel truck.
One thing you have NOT mentioned Sean ... Will you NEED to take out a "second mortgage" to "insure" that THNG !!! I garrentee that will be OUTRAGEOUS $$$$$$$$$.. Since near NO body shops will want to TOUCH it .....
We own EV's so I'm sold on them as general transportation and have no anti-EV bias but IMO they aren't practical yet for long distance towing which is why I still own a diesel PU. Something to consider: Let's assume you spring for the $16K range extender battery and don't mind that you're losing 1/3 of your cargo space. Although you may start out the day with a potential 235 miles, when you stop on the way you will likely want to charge to only 80% since it takes a long time to get that last 20%. Also, unless you're much more of a risk taker than I am, you're not going to take the chance on running your battery down to 0 and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere. Figure that at least a 10% reserve is probably prudent. Do the math and you're now looking at a best case range of around 165 miles before you have to charge again. If that works for you, then great. It wouldn't work for me. Good luck with your decision.
Excellent review, Sean. You clearly articulated all the thoughts that have been bouncing around in my head. I am also concerned about backing using those tiny mirrors and the cameras and am awaiting some first-hand reports on that. For the moment the two main obstacles for me are the lack of towing range as we often do 500 mile days and the lack of pull-through charge spots. Until those get addressed we are going to stick with our diesel.
I agree excellent review. Those two main obstacles are what will hold back (for now) most RV owners. Or it's going to be the case of that video of a truck parked on the side of a gravel road, with a portable gas generator plugged in "slowly!) charging the Lightning truck. Like anything brand new, it's growing pains.
Almost every RV park I've been to in the past couple years either charges extra for an electric car or straight up prohibits EV charging. Not even PHEV
I haven’t noticed the RV parks prohibiting EV charging, but we tend to stay in state parks. (I believe you… but it’s just something that I have not personally noticed in our travels.) I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if RV campgrounds start charging extra for EV charging. One way or another, the cost of electricity must be priced into the equation.
Tesla started rolling out trailer friendly SuperCharger spots months ago, long before launching the CyberTruck. And even where they haven't, there's usually some spots where you can charge without unhitching by blocking an additional charger. While that's not OK on the busy chargers, that's not the ones you're likely visit on a camping trip.
You either want to go electric, or you don't want to. If you do, it's totally possible. If you don't, it's totally possible to find an excuse not to.
If I got one, I would honestly see how big of a generator I need to keep moving down the road. I have an oversized fuel tank so I can drive 1000 miles a day and don't want to stop in any cities or towns to refuel. I always find a place in the woods to sleep when I do stop, and dont want to start having to go into populated areas just to charge my truck.
Need a rv loaded with extra battery capacity, solar awning, and a big generator to keep going.
Oh God, it's hideous... How much?
"Hey, what are you driving?"
"It's a Cybertruck and you don't want no part of this, Dewey Cox."
"Why, is it poorly manufactured?"
"It's bulletproof."
"Well, does it have low towing capacity?"
"It can pull the Statue of Liberty off it's foundation."
"Well I don't want a slow truck."
"It's the fastest truck there is."
"I think I want a Cybertruck.
"Alright, but just this *one* time..."
Well researched! I am definitely NOT interested in any kind of electric vehicle, but am not opposed to people who do, for sure. You (as usual) have done your homework- great content!
Nice job Sean. This was one of the best videos I've seen yet on the Cyber Truck. I personally think that if a person in your lifestyle of rv traveling long distances just ain't gonna work unless you also get one of those new Airstream electric Cyber trailers.
Good video Sean I too have a reservation somewhere about the same place that you are. I’m still planning on keeping my reservation and taking delivery of the truck. We have a 26 foot travel trailer as well and plan on doing lots of traveling around the country. 27:43
I just watched your guys episode last night about the RV charging concerns...
And then this morning I was watching the local news, and they're talking about adding an RV charging station in Elkhart Indiana right off of I-80...most all RVs are made here in Elkhart, so I guess it would be the best place to get started installing some charging stations designed for them. 👍
We made a reservation for the Cybertruck about a month before deliverys started. Almost two years ago we reserved a Silverado EV. Our plans were to tow a 7500 lb GD Imagin. Looked at Ford and Rivian and decided too little range. Now Rivian has the max battery for additional $16K. Nearly the same ranage and price as the Cybertruck with the extender. I believe Tesla has the most advanced truck. The Silverado WT 3 is probably the most cost effective to exceed 400 miles of range. Just bought a 2023 Silverado 3.0L diesel for $60K. We couldn't wait any longer.
U will regret it. Only Toyotas .
We have friends in Winnipeg that own a large trucking company. They bought an F150 Lighting and went on vacation to Chicago. Their first charge station was in Minnesota. When they got there, it was out of order. At the next closest charger, they had 40 kms of range left. The plug did not fit the charger. They ended up renting an ICE SUV and carried on. Good luck towing and camping in the Northern USA or Canada with that rig. There are 3 hour waits at stations along the Trans Canada in the summer.
Great vid, thanks. We have a dual motor on order, no idea when we will see it. I agree, range and charging may be a issue. I wonder how effective going from 48 to normal RV 12 will be. From what I can see, there are 120 and 240 outlets on the truck. Maybe there would be a 12 volt option.
Nice summary for using on towing. I also have a camping trailer and travel extensively throughout the Rocky Mountain region. The interstates all have Tesla Super chargers, it’s the outback you have to worry about particularly if you dont like staying at hotels or RV parks. You did mention that you have a generator on your camp trailer as a backup. You could easily charge the truck with a few gallons of gas in a few hours or overnight.
I too am on the list for the cybertruck. Going for the dual motor. We tow a casita so that is a lot lighter than an airstream so I think we will be more than fine. Aerodynamics play a huge part in range efficiency so at least you are good with the airstream.
Dual motor seems like the smart choice for RV. Plenty of power and the most range.
One of the new trailers has a large Tesla battery that can charge the tow vehicle while towing.
That makes more sense than the Cybertruck.
Merry Christmas to you both! have so enjoyed your videos over the years! keep up the good work! hope to see you all this year when you come over to Jackson, WY!
Thanks so much! We hope to be in Jackson later this year!
you highlighted all my concerns with this thing. I do not think with our live style this works. Keeping an open mind and hope to read/view more about it in the future. Great video.
Before you spend $96,000 (assuming you got the range extender) on the truck and knowing how you use it, you could simulate an RV/ Cybertruck trip in your old Ford: drive no farther than the estimated EV range and plan your routes as if you had to use the charging network.
Id love to see how well it works for towing. I think it's interesting, it's not for everyone but I like it.
It will suck for towing. Range is pathetic.
@@TroySavary Light campers and towing boat to the ramp, it will be fine for those who choose. Buyer be aware for sure.
Amazing video and a great review of this new truck. I think you are correct to assume that towing range would be about half of trucks estimate range. However, that range is from 100 percent charge to 0. Most of the time you will operate in the 80 to 10 precent range of the battery. So take that into account when towing. You might start your day with 100 percent charge, but you will typically only recharge the battery to about 80% while long distance driving to minimize charging time. The 80 to 100% charging can be very slow and time consuming.
Great review. I always like your interesting and careful analysis. Keeping your current truck and trying a Cybertruck would fit your channel. We towed an Airstream the size of yours for 6-8 years with a 6 cyl Chevy ASTRO van. It handled our Eastern USA travels and one trip from Eastern NC through the tip of Michigan to Toronto. The majority of our jaunts were weekend trips to state parks or college football games, less than 200 miles. I'd like to see a Cybertruck work on such short trips. At this point, it does not seem practical for long hauls. We did the dual vehicle bit for 4-5 years, going solo in a Class C van and leaving the Airstream parked at retreats from time to time for extended periods. You will entertain us well if you go the two truck model for a while. Thanks again. All the best.
But would you be able to pull your camper up the Alaskan Highway?
I'm gonna keep my spot in line till they call my number. I figure I've got a couple of years to make my decision.
Haha my situation also 😂
I worked in kitchens in restaurants as a cook for 9 years decades ago. Back then. There was an amazing stainless steel cleaning foam spray. Protects, cleans, and makes it shine.
My oldest son got in line for the cyber truck. I thought he was crazy. After waiting he also got inline for a Ford Lightning. He’s had his Lightning for a year and loves it.
Cybertruck would probably be great for home use , I think powering the thing as a tow rig would become a real problem
Sean, although there are some neat new features, but the batteries really have not changed and is still the limiting factor , especially when towing. Two thing about that, first when DC fast charging its recommend to charge to no more that 80%, which lowers the towing range from 170 to 136 and 235 to 188 respectively. If you do charge to 100% it takes a lot longer to charge especially with the size of the batteries in the Cyber Truck. It could be done in al lot of places, but I don't think it would fit your style of travel getting off the beaten path and being adventurous.
You guys need to go to grief counseling and prepare for the future. 😆
Cybertrunk does have the new 4680 format batteries that have a significant increase in energy density. Also has version 4 charging ability that goes to over 1,100 miles of charging per hour.
I wonder if RV parks will increasingly have camping spaces with high current pedestals, for both the electric self-propelled trailers that are coming on, and electric trucks? That way when you park for the night, you can get a full charge on both of those batteries, at the lower current, and not be limited to 80%.
A good Christmas seasonal topic is the xmas meals that some RV parks provide. I was surprises to see this when traveling and enjoyed the meal and camaraderie very much. it was nice for the RV park owners to put this on. I enjoy your videos. Regards. Steve D.
Great vid! I don't think electric adventure traveling will be a thing for the masses for quite a while. Doing it effectively even in the near future will be incredibly expensive. Case in point, a company called lightship RVs is creating an RV with motors and a battery to extend the range of vehicles while towing while also retracting it's top half and dropping into the lower half during travel to make it more aerodynamic. Although a great potential innovation, it will probably cost as much as a dual motor CT by itself. lol
Airstreams aren't exactly cheap either 😆
The best current option for the Cybertruck is as a self-contained RV. I use our model Y this way and it is great option. In coming years, good distance towing depends on pull through Superchargers (maybe coming to Pilots and BP) and further locations in states like Wyoming and national parks.
Future electric RV towing needs the trailer to be reinvented to extend range by optimal aero and self-propelled capable.
The new Pebble Flow trailer may be the reinvention required.
Agreed, or the lightshiprv.
Add a Tab teardrop and its possible
An electric RV with solar roof and awnings would be pretty cool.
How long does it take to charge it to say 80%? I can't imagine waiting at least twice a day for it to charge. When we're on long road trips from say Oregon to Arizona we need to cover a lot of ground each day. I think it might add another half day total over the 3 day drive or mean we check in after our usual dinner time each day. But that's just us. We didn't have pets that need potty breaks and we don't like driving after dark so we hurry at the gas stations. Also what if all the chargers are in use? How long do you need to wait to charge and can you reserve a charger or get on a list? In an emergency evacuation this could be mayhem. I'm waiting for a hybrid truck. One that charges will you drive. Thanks for the in depth video.
Sean, I should take delivery of my CT soon. Happy for you to come borrow it and make an educated assessment. In the Dallas area. I will tow a 28’ AS. Serious offer!
Let’s connect. When will you take delivery?
Someone on youtube took a Electric F150 with a 6000lb box trailer and was able only go about 70 miles on a full charge going down I-25 around Denver. This is almost flat drive, with no mountains roads at all. There are also youtube videos covering just scratching the battery cover required the battery to be replaced to insure the batteries weren't damaged and might start on fire. I sure would not drive the truck through a stream as shown in ad. I wouldn't even think about replacing my 2000 F350 dually that only job is to pull our RVs.
I love the cyber truck. Range could be an issue (especially where I live in Northern Canada. If you RV with hookups, that might largely nullify the problem. The lack of drive through Superchargers is another limiting factor. Carrying a gas generator (horror of horrors) that is capable of charging the truck in a pinch could resolve some concerns.
They still lose 40% of capacity and range in the cold. So you really have to stay in the Southwest or Southeast for it to be worth it
I have talked to a local guy in the Sam's club parking lot who has a Rivian electric truck. As a light duty truck, it works well. As soon as you drop a trailer on the ball, you are cutting your range significantly. He towed a u-haul trailer 30 miles to pickup an antique desk. It took half the battery for a 60 mile round trip towing that trailer.
I also have a reservation for a cybertruck and I’m waiting to see more info too. I would keep yours and keep w/ the research. The towing and charging is the biggest downside for it. I have a Van, so my camping trips won’t change at all.
Safe travels and maybe see ya on the road.
Dave.
You should take a look at Lightship 1 and Pebble as RV's I believe them to be setting the standard for RV's and they have their own propulsion which means, no loss of milage when towing it.
We just bought a Model Y and a Model 3. For towing an RV I think it depends on the RV, maybe not 5th wheels but that airstream, it will probably work well with the extended battery. EV-suitable RVs are probably a better answer, ones with batteries and motors of their own to assist their tow vehicle and recapture energy via regenerative braking. I would say wait until 2025 when the early adopter premium (price) drops and the bugs are worked out of the production line, that's when I hope to get mine.
Go test drive a Tesla someday. Its free, and will give you an idea of what you are working with.
They don’t care. This is about them grasping on to dinosaur tech. It’s comical.
A light teardrop like the Tab would work well. Definitely not anything heavier
You said it best, trucks are tools. Tools come in a plethora of shapes and sizes designed to perform specific functions. IMO, as a tool, electric vehicles really shine in normal day-to-day driving. Short commute to work, running errands and the like. About 100 miles or so daily and to be slow charged overnight at home. For the purposes of RVers, we usually look for a tool that has the best balance between towing and range. Last week, my wife and I returned from our trip to Fort Wilderness at Walt Disney World Orlando Florida. Storms in the Florida pan handle had us stay near Gainesville for 2 extra days before resuming our journey home. We made the long trip home (780miles) in one day to be back for work. Quick stops to refuel made this possible. E-trucks will need to come a long way before they will truly be a stand in for our current offerings of trucks that tow.
Cancel, not enough range. Unhook to charge??? Not ready for towing yet.
I have a foundation reservation so I’m in the first thousand people I’m still debating whether I’m gonna do this or not because they’ve tacked on an extra 20,000 yes there’s perks but 100,000 a lot more than the 60,000 I was originally looking for so I’m still debating it also will no longer qualify for the rebate as far as I can tell because it’s over $80,000 and and I’m trying to figure out if I can get a non-foundation or if I’m gonna have to wait a longer. It’s time for it but you cannot rest all these they will charge you $50,000 fine for it and if you sell it for more than 50,000 you still have to pay the difference. They will sue you.
I've had a Y over a year now and have had the CT dual motor on order for a long time. It's a beast and I'm excited for it. It'll be a great truck and good for towing the boat short distances. It won't be a good long distance hauler currently though, due to the charging network requiring you to back in as you mentioned. I took the Y on a 1,000 mile trip when we bought it. It took 25% longer; however, I was more rested when we got there due to the autopilot and mandatory rest breaks.
Great point about autopilot! Also, as you point out, the mandatory rest breaks do have their advantages...
Cancel. Being an early adopter is like leaning into a right hook, especially when it comes to battery technology. Keep chugging along with See More. 👍
Being an early adopter can have it's risks, however, I have a low VIN Tesla Model 3, it's been my daily driver for over 5 years now and it's been rock solid. I'd have no issues buying a low VIN Cybertruck.
Well that body design has the radar signature of a skateboard, ya got that going for ya
Thanks for your thoughts. I too live full time in an aluminum trailer and have my name down for a Cybertruck. Mine is a 1984 Avion with 3,150 watts of solar. Probably too much money for me but I plan to keep my place in line for now.
Oh...whatever you save by going electric is going to be eclipsed by the maintenance costs and stress of towing via EV. Good luck though. Your experience will be an education for the rest of us and we need risk takers like you.
Two other advantages, going uphill you’ll most likely stay at the speed limit. Going down you’ll recharge your batteries.
Regen does not return that much. And you half the 350 mile range by towing.
@@captsirlYou also have to chop 30% off the Tesla numbers to get true highway range, even empty.
You know Dodge Ram has an electric truck that has a 3.2 liter gas generator in the engine compartment(Not attached to the drivetrain) coming out so you get over 600 miles of range. Might be worth looking at.
I'd trade my CT order for something like this if they made it in a 1 ton.
The write-up is worth a look-see. 2025 But I still would not trade in what they have.
Play stupid games ....win stupid prizes.
Buying any EV for overlanding is stupid.... for towing while overlanding.... supremely stupid😐
I think it would be awesome. we have talked about the very thing. the only thing we do worry about it the towing fact and being able to make good time and not have to worry. They sure look cool, just big questions is .. will they work? that is something i think we will all have to wait to find out.. trial and error type thing.
Thanks, Sean for this detailed video. Our dream, as we were envisioning our full time Airstream life, was exactly this. Pairing a Cybertruck and an Airstream. Who knows, it may still come to fruition. Angles towing curves. As Rogan showed, the Cybertruck is totally arrow-dynamic. 🤣
i see what you did there! 😂
Looks exciting, but maintenance, repairs, insurance, and towing range will be a headache. Especially for that price and when you figure in weather extremes. So while it looks cool, it just isn't practical.
190 mile to state line from my house. 190 throug NC, 190 through SC, 110 thru GA, then another 130 to Orlando. 4.5 days to FLA. Vs 14hours. Not even close.
Preach it brother!!
Good video! You hit a lot of key points. As a two time EV owner, my opinion is the EV is all about the charging experience. Otherwise, its just a vehicle. Today, a Tesla is the benchmark for charging experience. I wouldn't have another EV without Tesla's supercharging network.
A range extender is probably a requirement for EV towing. Remember, you don't charge to 100% and you don't drain to 0. Anything outside a 20-80% charge window is going to take more than an hour to recharge. Now your range extended 235 mile towing range is hovering around 140 miles with a 45 minute charge. Sure, you can plan for 60-70 minutes to get the last 20% into the CT from maybe a bottom of 12%. At this point, I don't think we even know how the range extender battery will charge, and at what charging rate. In the end, you will get around 200-210 miles of range for a 70 minute charge stop. At 65 miles per hour, you will be doing that every 3 hours.
The range assisting travel trailer might sound good. Remember, while you are charging the truck, you will also need to be charging the trailer. How is that going to work? I mean, will it even work? Probably not with todays super chargers. I haven't heard of a range extending Airstream yet, have you?
Remember, you wont be stuck with the CT either. If you make a case to Tesla, they will buy it back before the year is up, or they will give you permission to sell it. They will probably try to low ball you on the price. I would think you would be able to negotiate that value with them in exchange for not publicly humiliating the CT on UA-cam.
In the end, you might need to think of upgrading Seemore before your CT reservation comes due. You may be waiting as long as 3 Years for your CT. Will Seemore make it?
I LOVE the look of the truck! There is a LOT to be excited about with this vehicle. However, if charging stations that can accommodate charging without unhitching are not widely available, that would be a deal breaker for me.
Great video, stay safe!
Great Video Sean, you forgot to mention that every campground is a Gas station for the Cybertruck and, you will be able to charge at any stop with an equipped electric outlet. I am now towing with a Rivian R1S. a 135KW battery pack (338 Miles not towing) provide me with 150 miles of towing a 34ft Travel trailer (8,000 Lbs.). I find it easy to charge on the road and when I arrive to the Campgrounds, I charge on site.
Thanks, that is an excellent point. ⚡️⚡️⚡️🔋🔋🔋
Always wait for version 2
I have watched you a long time. I am surprised you thought it would be a good fit for you. Exactly how much distance would you get between charges, towing an Airstream? What a waste of resources and money. I also agree with a person below. It will become an outdated brick, pretty fast. I would assume you have no plans to go to Alaska again.
Go for it. You two would be a great real world opinion
Great review. Thanks! My advice: keep the reservation in place and be open to possibly getting one of those electric travel trailers, with a Cybertruck or with Seymour.
Being a glazier for over 51 years, I look at the windshield and think " How much does it cost, will it be available when it breaks"? Next "LOOK at that windshield wiper"! Where can you buy a replacement?
Don't fool yourself, that stainless steel body will dent easily.
Electric steering has been around for many years - our Nissan Murano (2018) has electric steering.
One thought that comes to my mind (Which is always wandering around earth) - Why don't they make the tonneau cover to be photovoltaic so that solar can charge the batteries?
One more crazy idea that I have - why hasn't Tesla created a "Drive over" - wireless charger, sort of like the one that you lay your cell phone on?
My opinion - CANCEL your order. You are going to spend half of your LOLOHO lifetime at a charging station.
I will be anxiously awaiting real world towing results on the Cybertruck and the Ram Charger before making a decision on EV's for towing. A full charge, or even an 80% charge, takes longer than a quick fill-up at the gas station. If well-timed with food and restroom breaks maybe that's not a bad thing. Access in many charging lots is tight though. Can't wait to see what happens!
See what happens? Where do you live? You charge at home every night and always have a full tank. Where I live, I could drive 300 miles for about 8 bucks in a cyber truck. Are you guys all brain damaged? I’m a contractor, not a professional camping tow master! 😆
As you guys are well aware there is a difference between towing capacity and payload. Tongue weight on my 30’ Classic is at about 1250# right now. How that plays out remains to be seen. Range will become less of a factor as Level 1 charging stations become more available. Still, sounds like a fun ride! Happy trails!
I can see the intrigue of the new style and features. Along with what you mentioned is incorporating a whole new style of travel where downtime has to be included with charging or you just don't go down the road. If one is just "local travelers" OK but distance is a step back. What I would do is find the newest crashed F250 that would have interchangeable interiors and upgrade Seemore. The engine has been Bullet-proofed AND does not use DEF. Besides, it is paid for. Something can be said though that new is warranted with the amount of time spent in the vehicle but is one on vacation or have too much money?
The irony of the truck skin is too funny - your truck will withstand bullets, but the trailer is vulnerable to just hail!
Sean, very fair and balanced review. I'm glad that you haven't cancelled - yet. You might want to consider contacting the Tesla CEO and explain the misgivings for RV owners. Your channel alone has 254,000 viewers, with xx percentage being RV owners, enthusiasts. That's one heck of a marketing audience. The charging issue with access/space around the recharging station is by far the biggest block. Even with a Tesla extension cord, a normal charging "corral" will not handle a hitched RV. If you back in or nose in, the rest of the rig will protrude across the aisle and block traffic. Likewise, if you drive in sideways, you block 5 other charging stations. Also, how soon do you think enough drive through chargers would be available to support cross country travel. Another serious drawback is that, as far as I know, you can't simply call Triple A (AAA) and get a jump if your battery runs out. The rig has to be towed to a charger. I think that they have a ways to go before the CyberTruck/RV become charger friendly, but if you partner with Tesla, all these things are ultimately solveable and, in the meantime, they will likely have all sorts of Beta testing you can do.
Gotta hand it to you. You have to be one of the best narrator's. I've seen nearly every video about the CT.
GOOD JOB!
I reserved the Tri-Motor, but will likely go for the dual motor.
Price hike and range dropped me to a dual. I win the lottery though Beast with range extender for sure.
@@cliftonhall1675 Bummed about the price jump, but after looking at specs, I'd still go for the dual even if price wasn't a variable.
I own a Tesla Model 3 and have traveled across the US and the charge stations are everywhere. A drive thru charge station would be best for Cybertruck if you're towing for sure. Get the truck and I'm sure within the first couple years they'll be advances that make towing easier and that will net you more miles. Great video!
I think one of these would be awesome to own. But I'm thinking maybe 100 to 150 miles before charging if pulling 9000 lbs plus mountains might be a real problem
And you pull 9000 pounds in the mountain often? That’s a thing? With a 10k GVW light truck? Really? 😆
Thanks for a great review with RVing in mind!
I would only want a Cybertruck to use as you described the way most people use a pickup truck, i.e., for in-town, personal, light hauling.
Since Seemore has less than 250,000 miles, it still has a lot of potential. If you want new features, buy a newer Ford.
Otherwise, parts are cheaper than payments or a $100,000 deduction from your travel account!
As for RV travel towing, you will only be stranded once without a charging station, when you buy another Ford diesel.
I’m line as well. Doing the same analysis, not thinking it doesn’t makes a lot of sense living in Colorado, cold weather and temperatures and steep grades. Also not sure how to calculate my place in line either…
Dont cancel ! The platform is spectacular in its overall design. Like you, i ordered my CT as a tow vehicle. In my case I have 2 vintage travel trailers. Not heavy at around 2500 lbs however they are as aero as a barn door ! Im disappointed with the nominal range at 340 with the awd, non beast mode spec. Not enough for towing. Their Frankenstein option of additional in-the-bed extra battery for 470 nominal range is not exciting to me. Apparently im around number 200,000 in the queue… im hopeful that by year 2 of production the 4680 battery will have the originally anticipated 500 mile range on highest spec model. You have zero to lose staying in the queue and wait and see. Hang in there… the truck will continue to gain range ! Love you guys and your channel
You claim it is spectacular, yet the range is disappointing and the extender is "Frankenstein". So what exactly is spectacular about it.
I see Tesla keeping the long range option…it’s expensive and not everyone needs it. However, Tesla could find a better spot for it. How about under the rear seat. Also make it more modular, perhaps in 80lb sections that can be easily moved around.
@Jethr001 yes, there is bonus storage beneath the bed of the truck. That would’ve been a great place for the range extender battery pack. However, I assume that the current battery cell technology requires a larger space. I think the range extender weighs more than 600 hundred pounds. In the future, as the battery technology improves, range extenders could really boost the lifespan and functionality of these trucks.
@@TroySavary the drive by wire steering , the 4-wheel steering and thus agility, the ruggedness of the exterior, the safety , the low operating costs, the driver assistance technology, the size of the bed, the adjustability and articulation of the suspension … it’s not for everyone … no model of gas, diesel or EV is …
@@ophthodawg Steer by wire has been done before. It has never caught on because people don't want to lose steering if the vehicle quits. 4 wheel steering is already available in the Silvarado EV, which also has much longer range. Who cares about the ruggedness of the superficial skin when the chassis is, a cast aluminum unibody, less rugged than a forged steel frame. All electric trucks have low operating costs, and the competition is cheaper. Tesla just had a massive recall on their self driving tech. I wouldn't list that as an advantage. Adjustable suspensions are available on many pickups. The truck, judging from the few clips offroad we have seen, does not have great articulation. Tge bed is actually rather small, since it is only 6 feet at the bottom. The bed weirdly slopes to follow the rear seat, leaving the bed too short to carry a mountain bike without hanging it over the tailgate.
Get it! Everyone else will learn a lot from your Cybertruck adventures (including the automotive and RV industry).
How long does it take to get a full charge. I WOULD NOT GET IT. Wait a few years to get the bugs ironed outl
How much does the battery banks cost if it's damaged or doesn't function? What are insurance costs? What are repair costs?
Don’t cancel. It’ll take 5 years minimum to get close to your order being filled. By then the CT will be weighed and measured as far as “working” as in regular pick ups. Besides I like your videos because they are mostly about the actual destination. As a CT owner the vids become all about the the charger destination. The last thing we need is another UA-cam channel getting excited because there’s a Panera Bread every 120 miles.
A couple things not mentioned, after you unhook you might have to wait in line to charge, and even then I believe these super chargers can only charge you to 80%. I also would think RV parks will have to put meters on every pedestal to correctly charge your stay.
80% is the recommended charge for daily driving. You can charge to 100% if you need it. I have a tesla. I know.
@@lynoreabbott1010 And how long does it take to get to 100%?
Yes, it looks as if you have a use case for which CT is NOT a good fit.
For you guys it would require perhaps a third wheel option where the extra battery takes even more of the bed but has a much larger capacity and maybe has ITS OWN charger connection so that the battery extender could be charged simultaneously to the truck. Otherwise diesel is better for long distance towing.
Very informative video. Nice job! I'm sure they will improve the range and towing capacity over time. However, since it won't work with a 14,000 lb fifth wheel, I will have to stick with a diesel truck for now.
Get it if you can afford it. I want to see what it can do with an airstream! The style will grow on everyone. The wrapped ones look amazing already. Also get it because I own stock, lol.
Until the Cyber truck is tested in real world conditions, its all sizzle and no steak. That being said Sean, it would definitely bring views to the channel, but the mid range, extended battery is pushing $100k!. If you could test it towing the Airstream it would be interesting to see. I know the YT channel TFL truck is trying to get one for testing as well. Good luck to you both! I will keep towing our 30' Winnebago with our Tundra 5.7 V8👍😀
Your “Tundra” 😆 Japanese workers everywhere thank you for supporting foreign jobs. Fuck made in America. You’re driving a dinosaur. How does that make you feel?
How about the costs AFTER purchase? My son owns a Tesla Model 3, and his ongoing costs are very low, in both maintenance and ‘fuel’. I agree that range is a concern, but if the daily running costs of a Cybertruck are a fraction of Seymour’s (half? One third? Less?), would that make it easier to deal with the range limitations and other potential inconveniences?
I would look at range, pulling your TT and how the truck functions in unexpected cold weather. What will the future replacement battery cost? In case of crash (hopefully that never happens), is the large battery safe if damaged? Resale value of this truck later on? Love y'alls channel!
Until the Cybertruck came out, Tesla only had 4 models of vehicles...those 4 models rank 1 - 4 of the safest vehicles on the globe as ranked by several difference government agencies. Cybertruck now makes Tesla own the top 5 safest vehicles! Teslas also do not lose as much range in the cold as other EVs, even in harsh -30 Canadian winters we are only seeing a drop of around 20% in range...or very comparable to our F350. Tesla also warrantees their batteries for 8 yrs! If you ever had to replace a battery it would cost very similar to replacing a 6.7l diesel in any of the modern trucks.
Answering before watching the video (can’t watch without my wife 😅). Definitely don’t cancel. It’s just a $100 investment. Stay flexible and don’t fall for the sour grape crowd. You don’t have to purchase when the time comes!
My Ford F-150 Hybrid (Powerboost) supplies 7.2kW from a big inverter connected to the hybrid traction battery. We can power both Airstream air conditioners at full tilt (and of course anything else) while the truck only runs at idle (very quietly; no generator can compete) about 30% of the time. I think it will continue to be a great solution for now but I’m not cancelling my Cybertruck order until I have to! 🙂
I did try to do the math and it looks like we’re at around 100,000. That’s on the first day of orders! On a whim, I had chosen the 3-motor beast.
My vote is to go for the Cybertruck. We never achieved advances without trying new things/ideas/methods. It may not be a perfect solution, but you will never know until the first people take those steps to try it. Thanks for another great video and "Happy Holidays"
EVs lose up to 40% of their range and charge capacity in the cold. That’s a lot of money for an underpowered toy
We own several Teslas. You are correct. There could be trips where you will need more miles, especially unexpected cold weather. We encountered that issue going through Oklahoma and are more careful. However, we have enjoyed the charging stops on our other multi state trips in hot and cold temps. Just plan accordingly. We plan the trip on the car map and via Better Route Planner.
Bro… fuxk common sense. You are one of the hated now. ELON BAD!
We tow a 28' travel trailer. The practicality of a Cybertruck would be based on the distance to/from the destination. For our weekend camping trips, typically under 150 mies each way, a Cybertruck would work. It would be a non-starter for our epic road trips through Eastern Oregon, Nevada, Utah, and Northern Arizona on the loneliest roads in America.
Indeed, only a couple of months ago we traveled "the loneliest highway" across Nevada. I wonder how Cybertruck would fare. (Probably not well!)
Maybe 100-120 miles? Will be interesting to see. I cancelled my reservation in 2021. Knew the prices would be out of control by the time they got it out.
Cut the estimated range and battery capacity in half for any cold weather or in winter. Right now that’s the EV Achilles heel.
I still think it’s ugly as hell, but this explanation of the workings of it and the siding detail were very interesting and helped me understand why it looks the way it does. Thanks Sean!
What is the advantage? EVs are dropping in price because few people want them.
Tesla EV's are increasing by huge margins. Number one selling car in the world of any kind is the Model Y, it is also the number two selling vehicle in the US. There is a demand issue for other EV's like Ford, Chevy and the rest of the legacy auto's vehicles not because people don't want them but because they are over priced junk.
@@TwilightKidthe demand for all electric vehicles will continue to diminish as the consumers realize they are not sustainable transportation
@@davidwheeler7503 You sound like the guys who used to say... Nobody is going to want a horseless carriages, they smell, they are noisy and are just not a sustainable form of transportation.
@TwilightKid the horseless carriages were much more superior to the horse and buggy than EV's are to the horseless carriages. and everyone wasn't forced into a horseless carriage like we are into these less inferior, more costly EV product. But hey, if you're young enough, you will eventually see the big picture of what's driving the EV product, which it's definitely not the market, and you're not going to like the big picture. Unfortunately, the old adage, some people just have to touch the flame to find out it burns, is real.
@@davidwheeler7503 I agree that the horseless carriage was more superior to the horse and buggy buggy, just like Tesla EV's are far superior to ICE engines that haven't changed in 100 years and in case you hadn't noticed EV's are on par with prices of ICE vehicles. Model 3 sells for $30k and there are others that sell for $10k to $15k But I digress, more importantantly as Sony found out with the Betamax money will usually be the defining issue and when you add up all the costs associated eith keeping ICE cars on the road and the life expectancy ICE over EV's it's a no brainer. EV's last on average 3 times longer or more. Most people will tell you it's an amazing feet if an ICE car last 200k miles where EV's will run for millions of miles with way few parts to break and no maintenance only a fool would pick ICE over EV.
What would be the cost to replace the main battery if it goes bad and what is the life of the battery
There are a few thoughts that popped up, while watching the video Sean, as you didn't mention much on the frame of the Cyber-truck, as to installing a heavy duty rear hitch. Also, with the shape of the truck, 5th wheel trailers, as they exist now wouldn't attach well at all, as turning seems virtually impossible. For distance travelling, my wife & I tend to always have a location in mind, and travel rather quickly to get there, as in a comfortable seat (as in our Diesel pusher) I can drive easily 12 hours comfortably, as I did go 14 hours once, but that was from dark in the morning, to dark at night, and I was getting sleepy by the end of it, so our 'travel' is different than yours. Obviously too, the 'charge time' wouldn't work for us, as we try and put as many miles as possible on, per day. Not all the time, in that we do sometimes travel with friends, and in doing so, go short day trips and stop early on such occasions! Thus to me, the Cybertruck would need to triple it's travel distance, have the ability to pull a fifth wheel, and importantly, have seating that is plush for long term driving of comfort. With some of the hills in the west especially, it would make me wonder just how well the Cyber-truck would do, as 'torque' isn't really a value in electric motors, so how well would the electric motors stand up to long term hill climbs. We have one where it's 45 minutes of constant moving upwards, and even our DP gets pretty warm climbing...alternatively, the truck/trailer setup wouldn't weight what our DP does. Does the Cyber-truck have autonomous ability? Perhaps an afternoon snooze, while on the road may be a possibility Sean!! Look forward to more on this choice, although for us, I can't see it happening for a decade or two, and by then at my current age, it will be time to start thinking of a Cruise, more than RV.
I consider the *"Cybertruck"* a joke. I should probably drive it myself before I make such scathing remarks, but I've always been skeptical to say the least of totally EV vehicles.
Tesla Y I own…roomy, fast, charges from solar panels, no maintenance and good for 500k miles…
How old are you ?
People with horses said the same nonsense about model Ts
Unfortunately the looks of the Cybertruck will turn some people off, however it is far from a joke. The engineering that has gone into this vehicle will change the auto industry.
when u actually see the cybertruck in person, trust me it's no joke, it's freaking awesome and nothing else like it.
NOOOOOoooo! Then again, if you do go for it, it will be a benefit to all your subscribers because they can learn the hard lesson the easy way. Those trucks can not haul a load. I will finish watching the video but I had to stop and say that.
Flipping the truck to turn a quick profit? As with the purchase of any new vehicle, it depreciates vastly when you drive it off the lot. And with all the new systems it has, a myriad of things can and will likely go wrong. You might have to sell it for 2/3 of what you paid.
I hope you don't do this. It sounds like you're going to, though. God help you whatever you decide but I hope you don't. Please don't. (They explode, too.)
I've already put down the nonrefundable deposit on a Foundation CT since I don't tow enough for it to be that much of an issue. I do haul all sorts of stuff all of the time, so my truck will get the same use as the Ford without the rust, scratches, dings and dents.. The more cancelations the sooner the rest of us will gut our trucks.
If you get the extended in the bed battery, won’t that decrease the payload extensively?
Cancel.
Short answer? YES. Don't fall for the hype.
Indeed! At my age, I'm am no longer distracted by someone dangling shiny things in front of my eyes. 🤨
I am getting a CT and will tow my Travel Trailer with it. I think Range extender is a must for towing
I am ten years away from buying a Cyber truck I need a hybrid living in east Texas. I think you need to be near A charger heavy area , I believe that the cyber truck would be great for camping with a trailer 😁
This is a city or ranch truck.
Definitely cancel.