World's First: Lucid Air 0-100% DC Fast Charge Review
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- I get the honor of being the first independent journalist to record a 0 to 100% DC fast charge session of a Lucid Air Dream Edition Range. The Lucid Air has a 900-volt battery system and is also an incredibly efficient EV. The combination of those two attributes makes the Lucid Air the fastest charging EV that you can buy today. Check out the video to learn more about Lucid Air fast charging.
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0:00 Intro
1:32 Preconditioning the battery
3:29 Setting the charging limit
4:11 Driving over to the charging station
7:57 I arrive at the Westfield Valley Fair Electrify America charging station
10:07 I plug the Air in and see if Plug&Charge works
11:06 The charging session begins
13:10 At 50% SOC in only 16 minutes
17:03 At 100% SOC and the session ends
17:51 Overview and analysis begins
21:24 The power delivery chart with charging curve
25:58 The time to charge chart
27:22 Outro
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Excited for this… not because I can afford a Lucid, but because it will push the rest of the EV industry forward. Congrats on the exclusive!! As a Mechanical Engineer, I appreciate how thorough and methodical you are in your videos.
900 Volt system should be standard now
@@kulaengineering yes, can't the 900 go down to 350 ?
And can't the 350 updated ?
Maybe you can answer this.. You seem to have the expertise... 67Kwh @ 50% is a direct correlation to 134 @ 100% I would have expected the bottom half of the charge to be less efficient than the top half?.... then average losses through the charge.... seems odd. Just saw 60% @ 80kw.... 😳 no curve... it extrapolated to 133 mathematically.... % @ power is a straight line? Shouldn't we see more power used at the bottom half when charge rates are higher? I'd like to see that graph and then a comparison between tycan and s
The more affordable version will release sometime next year….if you consider 70k affordable.
@@ronaldnixon4689 “released” meaning… ???
*Note: I made a mistake in the video @12:45 in the video when I said the Taycan took 23 minutes to add 50 kWh - it actually only took 12 minutes. The problem is I have done 0-100% recordings of the Taycan on both 150 kW and 350 kW charging stations. I looked at the 150 kW station recording instead of the 350 kW station recording by mistake and that's why I said 23 minutes.
The real-time is 12 minutes on a 350 kW charging station- My thanks to the followers that pointed that out in the comments below.
I was thinking about that when I was looking at my model 3 v3 SC charging times .. I was like my model 3 is quicker .. thanks for the correction...
Ok, you initiated the charging session at 9:32 AM. At 9:52 AM you were at 34% (half the size of a Tesla Mode S battery) and you claimed that is 11 minutes. 52-32=? 11?
50% at 9:58 AM
You claim 16 min 28 sec. Actual: 26 min. The Tesla Model S does it in 15 minutes.
80% at 10:19 AM
You Claim 37 min. Actual: 47.
100% at 11:03 AM
You claim it took 1h and 20 min.
From 9:32 AM to 11:03 AM you have 91 min.
That's 1h and 30 min.
You are 10 minutes late. That was probably time wasted on initiating the charge.
Lucid should better start building their own charging network so their customers won't have to wait 10 minutes or more for payment processing before their car begins to charge.
@@travelwithtesla It only took a few seconds to initiate. I needed to move the camera that I was using to record me talking to in front of the station so I would have 2 there for redundancy, so I stopped the charging and started the session once the camera was in place. The charging session begins at 9:41 and reaches 50 kWh delivered at 9:52 - 11 minutes later as stated on the EA screen. But... You are right about Tesla Superchargers initializing faster than any other charging station (I own a Tesla and use them all the time), However, it's not 10 minutes faster, it's more like 25 to 30 seconds faster.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Then I don't understand. How do you count 11 minutes between 9:32 AM and 9:42AM? That's 20 minutes. The Air charged 50kWh in 20 min. Slower than the Model S.
@@travelwithtesla The charging session begins at 9.41(look at the screen) and the station delivered 50 kWh at 9:52 - what's not to understand?
Incredible job explaining the process. Great job and thank you!
Thanks, John.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I am waiting with excitement regarding the lucid range test on highspeed 70 miles per hour! I am looking forward!
Just outstanding analysis Tom! Your depth of understanding and ability to clearly explain the nuances of EV charging is why I point people to your channel.
Tom, this is a tribute to your knowledge and journalistic integrity; this speaks for itself. Thanks!
@@monsterous289 No it's not. Tesla's own EPA filings show the Model S requires 113.344 kWh to recharge a 100 kWh battery pack. That's 13.3% charging losses, almost exactly what the Air experienced in my test.
The problem is, some people use the data on the in-car screen, and Tesla doesn't include the charging losses in that, only what the battery takes in so it looks like Teslas somehow circumvent physics and have zero charging losses.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Tom just admit That JFunk is Right, It doesnt hurt to admit That you are wrong
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney You measured 97 kWh... ua-cam.com/video/k4Cvv0YzWhE/v-deo.html
@@monsterous289 Where did you get 141kWh? Also, the Dream Editions are listed to have 118kWh packs, while the GT are to have 112kWh packs. In Lucid's EPA certification report, the recharge event was approximately 137kWh. Compare that with Tesla Model S Plaid's EPA certification report, it's recharge event was approximately 116kWh in that testing. Both results in a consistent energy loss of a bit less than 14%.
@@mathiaszander381 reread Tom's response, he explains the discrepancy
Great video!
The explanation during the charging session was on point 👌🏾
So impressive. Think 5 years back. These numbers was unheard of. This car with the mega impressive range and this mega impressive charging curve. This is the new canonball winner. Long drives with little time, this is your car of choice. Let it charge for 11 min and you can drive almost 250 miles. Bravo 👏🏻
Not at Cannonball speeds though. Those speeds will eat right through that range.
@@alexnutcasio936 Even 300 miles at Cannonball speeds is nuts.
@@monsterous289 That’s not accounting for thermal losses. Pumping 300kW into a battery generates a lot of heat and the AC compressor and cooling system use energy to deal with that
@@monsterous289 X2, no way Lucid is that much more efficient than Tesla in the motor department. ONLY a BIGG(ER) battery will give you 500+ miles. Someone's not telling the truth about battery size.
@@alexnutcasio936 EPA states Lucid with 138kW battery size.
Thank you for validating my LCID purchase.
It’s just so enjoyable to watch your motivation for what you do..!
This was a great break down. Really liked the chart break down at the end.
Tom, Yet another insightful video! Your channel is of my favorites when it to alll things electric mobility. Thank you!
I've been waiting for this review. Well done and presented. I like your take on distance over time. It will make for easy comparisons and makes sense for most people.
300 miles in 22 minutes, that's like 4 hours of driving on highway. No more range anxiety. Congrats Lucid!!!! Best vehicle for charger hoping.
Yeah thats what i finally got through to my best friend who has been fighting the thought of owning a ev because he thought he would be stuck somewhere all day charging. Im like after a few hundred miles , the time youll want to get out and stretch your legs youll have ebough chatge to go again.
@Tom, This was a wonderful video. Yes, the _Air_ is a beast, but you did so well at describing how people charge in the real world. With so many people just now considering their first EV it really matters that we get that information out there.
Congratulations on being the first. It shows the respect you have earned in the industry.
Well done Tom, great video! Keep up the good work, it's very appreciated.
In my mind, Tom is the most trusted EV journalist. Allowing him to DC fast charge adds so much credibility to Lucid vehicles. I'm so excited for the company now, breaking records left and right with their first production EV.
Tom did a good job, no doubt... The Lucid charged to100; 200 mileposts of range faster than any EV has to date. All true.
Your post has the feel of one of those fake, paid-for Amazon reviews. Odds are, you work for Lucid or on their behalf.
Lucid has curated the access and public image of the Air to such a high degree, including fake posts like your comment - it taints the truth or even tarnishes the facts. Maybe the Air is the finest EV ever made. Maybe its super fantastic. Maybe.
In the end, the PR will fade and the car will speak for itself. Its early days and most or all Lucids out in the world belong to employees or major stakeholders. I get it, there's a lot of money at stake. In the end, the car and company will rise or fall based on its merits, not hype from well coordinated efforts to control media exposure.
@@jmel1746 My comments are genuine and you’re a bit narrow-minded for making such an assumption. I’ve commented on InsideEVs US Friday morning podcast most times in the past several episodes this is my first comment on Lucid Air.
I’m tired of EV companies being disingenuous to the public. I.e. Tesla range never meeting their EPA range unlike every other EV company, Rivian touting Tank Turn knowing that it wouldn’t be an option at launch. I don’t think I need to go into Nikola Motors or Lordstown Motors.
It’s a breath of fresh air seeing a new company meeting expectations and I trust Tom’s review, it’s as simple as that.
I have a MachE premium which will turn into a Mach E GT next month, a BMW X5 plug in hybrid xDrive45e, and a Ram 1500. I have no stake in Lucid Motors. BTW, if I was to make assumptions as you have, I would guess you’re a Tesla fanboy.
As usual, the best charging rate reviews. 👍🏼 Makes you wonder if they could further speed up the charging with better battery cooling equipment, or if the charge rate is inevitably going to slow as the charge controller shifts from constant-current mode to constant-voltage mode due to the inherent battery chemistry of Li-ion cells.
Thanks Tom, I ordered my Grand Touring on Tuesday!
Superb video, analysis, data and presentation 👍. Looking for more of your videos.
This is such an awesome channel! Subscribed
Inside EVs you guys are doing great work and showing exactly what this beast of a car is capable of. Don’t let Warren redlicker and his fellow redlicker fan base tell you otherwise. Good journalism require integrity and honesty.
Let’s go Lucid! #lucidnaire
video of the year i must say! this took alot of time and effort on one of the most highly anticipated vehicles in the market right now! and it looks like you were by yourself! great work
This is facts b/c 300 miles in 22 mins is incredible. Like for example the caddy lyriq is already outdated with max 190kw ~300 range and that is not coming till 23 @ this price point.
Well done, Tom.
Tom this video was very informative thank you for the hard work
Very nice detailed charging analysis 👍
Thanks Tom for the video! I've been reading through the comments/concerns re. battery pack size. Please save yourself some time and some energy replying and arguing with some of folks here. Time will tell. Really look forward to your next video testing the range on Lucid as my family and I weighing on the options to buy our first EV in the near future.
It's pretty crazy how some of these people argue nonsense without regard to any actual facts. Thanks for commenting!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thank you for your detailed content. When will you have a 70mph range test for the Lucid? That would be great.
Great one Tom! Greetings from Spain!
Thank you been trying to find Lucid charging videos
This is the first one!
Brilliant job, Tom. Thank you for showing us that charge curve and for your initial analysis of the facts. Much appreciated.
This vehicle is amazing! Really excited to see EVs advancing so quickly.
Thanks! very intersting! But one basic question. When you are showing the details of the charging session is that the EA screen or the in-car screen? And if is EA, what does in-car screen show?
Thanks,great video.
Great work Tom! This is actually pretty amazing. This is not that far off from filling up a tank of Gas. Hopefully Tesla can improve on their end as well.
Impressive speed, yes, but most ice vehicles take under 5 minutes to fill. Will be a few years yet. But still better than “80 minutes”.
Very well presented and explained. A lot of thought and preparation went into this episode. Thanks and thanks for explaining Lucid’s attitude in insisting you go out and test it by yourself. Sign of confidence.. for sure. 👍 Love your charts!! Never seen it explained so clearly. I subscribed 😉
@Carlo Herrmann Same here reason, I've just subscribed.
I'm really looking forward to Tom's analysis of the fast charging champions. 👍
Great review thank you very much
Great video 😃 How did you manage to get the car SOC to 0%? In your timelapce i saw 2% but was wondering how would you even get the car to 0% and what happens to car at 0%? Does it just piggy back on the low power system to keep the computers running?
The most useful point might be that if (if!) it hits that 500 mile range target, you get a total of 700 miles road trip range with only 13 minutes of on road charge time.
(10 hours at an average of 70)
So much for range anxiety.
Excellent point! 700 miles is already a very long road trip day. I could see stopping more often to coincide with pit stops and coffee breaks and there would be virtually no additional wait time that wasn't shadowed by the human needs of a road trip.
@@karlbloss
I've said for..... well, years now, if the car Out-ranges the occupants, then charges sufficiently while they "fill" and "empty" (😉) sufficiently to repeat, you don't NEED any more range.
This goes way beyond that.
As Robert Llewellyn puts it, "miles per bladder" is the limiting factor.
How do you calculate the 700 Miles from 500 Miles of Range? Im not being smart. Its a serious question.
Tom, great 👍 content .. don’t worry about people that don’t know what they are talking about ...
I have done many DC fast charging from 0% to 90% and 100%, I have also done 0% to 90% and 100% on AC level 2 on the same vehicle and see a ton less lost but very close to the usable battery capacity.. on DC it’s aways much higher.. so it’s not the battery pack size it’s just the higher lost when using HPDC vs AC ..
Anyways .. on to something more real ..why did you say 20 to 80% is the norm in test?
Just about all test I see is normally about 10-80% .. why not do 10-80% calculation? 20% is a bit high .. normally many people pull in within 5-15% at a charging station.. 20% is really way too high ..
Great video! Thank you
Another great video Tom. We just need hundreds of these stations all over the place now so theses no queues to charge.
That Lucid Air consumed more grid power in 60 mins than my entire house does in a month!
Cardboard under a bridge is pretty efficient
@@mattbrew11 not sure what you mean by that comment.
We're living in a 3 bedroom house in Melbourne Australia. We use so little power from the grid because we have solar panels on our roof.
@@MatthewBayard then you consume far more energy than you stated. Enjoy your complete lack of freedoms down under
@@mattbrew11 yes you are correct. I should have said it consumes more *grid power*.
@@mattbrew11 also I love talking to trolls. You think the cars that Tesla make are shitty. LoL.
Thanks for your analysis Tom! It was thorough and engaging
Loved the video. How much did it cost to charge it to 80%? Or till full charge
Thanks for the video
Very impressed with that charge 👏🏼👏🏼 how much was the cost $$ to fully charge the Air??
If it was $0.43 per kWh (probably more, but price depends on rate), it would’ve been $60.
Awesome analysis Tom! Seems like there's no reason to charge this thing over 80%. Can't wait for your range test- that's gonna be a long day :)
This is a good review with the time to charge and efficiency to 80%. I wish there was more of this reality for EVs
The more I see, the more I like this car. Thank you.
What might be interesting to see is to compare the charging curves of EVs normalized to either the battery pack size or the actual/epa range achieved.
Coming up!
time for range charged, yes.
Wow Tom 👍 congratulations getting todo the very first full charging test ... truly very impressive...awesome content more please!
Nice job. I'm excited for the EV future!
Waiting for Rivians! Ty Tom!
Car of the year- Exhibit A🚀
I wonder if Lucid is not admitting to have a larger than stated battery pack?
OMG, why?
@@kulaengineering so that they appear to have increased efficiency of their technology.
Warren Redlich fake news
Wow, a super fast charger, a nice fit for Lucid Air. 👨🏻🎓
Awesome review and vehicle. 👍👍
The range test is going to take a good day’s work. Can’t wait to see it. Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing.
One of the hardest parts is finding a route near Lucid HQ that I know I can drive 70 mph and not get stuck in traffic and not go over at hills or mountains.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney not to mention, one that has a couple of convenient rest stops because you're gonna need it after driving 7-8 hours.
I am stunned there are currently 97 dislikes on this video. Are a majority of these from viewers who: a) dislike review; b) dislike Tom; c) dislike Lucid; or d) something else- please describe. Wish I could give video a hundred likes.
probably all the but hurt tesla fans :)
Tesla fanboys won't like this especially Warren Redlich who still to this day keeps calling Lucid a fraud - what an IDIOT!
Awesome charging video with stats... Can't wait until you can do this charging test on Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 5 when they come to "the states."
Great review. I wonder whether Lucid could offer option for charging at those 230 kW (constant) if that gives faster overall result. Also, maybe constant temperature charging curve option. This would increase the rate when you start at 15, 20, 25% SOC or even more.
That's fast! Cool that someone finally challenges the Germans in the charging department. Although the two year old Taycan/e-tron GT uses only two minutes more (17 minutes) to pull 62 kWh. That's a 70% charge with the considerably smaller battery.. The Porsche/Audi actually uses two minutes _less_ to reach it's half charge, so I don't expect Lucid to have the lead for long. If it is a lead.
Exceptional video and work Tom. I don't typically watch paint dry but for this one, your video held my attention every minute.
hi Tom, I have a question regarding charging a Lucid. I recently rented one off of Turo and try to charge it at home on a 240 V 30 amp circuit. However the lucid air mobile charger kept tripping the circuit. It would only charge for a few minutes then it would trip the circuit breaker. I also had this problem with a model S a few weeks ago however, within the Tesla app you’re able to change your amperage and once I lowered it to 30 A, I no longer had a problem with the Tesla. Any idea why the lucid air mobile charger didn’t switch from 40 A to 30 A? Thanks.
Yesss! Love the video
I did 650 miles over the holiday in my Mach-e. I'm jealous of those charging times.
Thanks for the video Tom. The more videos like this makes me glad that I invested in Lucid, even though their first cars are in a luxury category that is far outside of my price range. I'm glad that they are delivering on their promises. The more EV companies that succeed, the more people who will buy superior EVs that improve their quality of living. I hope Lucid continues to maintain their high quality as they move into more high-volume production of lower-cost EVs in the coming years.
do have public available charts for the charging and range times
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Tom, thanks for this fascinating test. No one does EV charging tests better than you. Keep those graphs coming as we engineers love them. I’m not sure if we learn more from the video or the comment section.
I don't know why so many people start speculating about the battery pack size. If Lucid Motors had anything to hide why would they let someone do the test without any interference? When you lie you keep to it as long as possible so in the end when the consumers realize how great of a product they received, they are not so concerned about the "small white lie".
I think this could actually be intentional on Lucid Motors' side because the know the keyboard warriors will jump on it ASAP and what they need at the moment is people talking about them. There is not such a thing as "bad press", especially if you have nothing to hide.
Batterygate!
Awesome, I watch most of your content. Does Lucid have info on how much went into the battery and how much energy was used to keep the battery cool?
I'm sure they do, but it isn't accessible to the customer. As far as I know, no EV shows you that information. The battery is 118 kWh. I know there are some that dispute it, but that is a fact. So the 16 kWh is charging losses (13.5%), which is not unusual for high speed DCfast charging and lines up with the data from my charging on other EVs.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Here are some guesstimates for you (please note I know that you know already some of what I've included below; this is for the benefit of others who might still be learning):
Firstly, it must be clarified that the 118 kWh rating of the battery is a measure of how much useable electrical energy you can extract from a fully-charged battery when you discharge it to empty; it is not a measure of how much energy is stored in the battery.
When the battery is full, it stores a certain amount of energy. As you discharge it, most of that energy is extracted as electrical energy (118 kWh total), but some of it is converted to heat inside the battery, which is why you need a battery cooling system. So, let's say the battery itself is 97% efficient (I actually don't know what the "correct" number here is, this is just an example, the only thing we can be sure of is that it's definitely less than 100%). That would mean that in order to deliver 118 kWh useable electrical energy, it would store 118/.97 = 121.6 kWh.
That means when the battery is empty and you need to recharge it, you need to end up with 121.6 kWh stored in the battery. But when you charge the battery, the battery heats up so some of the energy you are delivering to the battery is lost as heat, and therefore not stored. When DC fast charging, the amount of heat generated in the battery will be more than during the slower discharge situation. So let's say the battery itself is 95% efficient (again, just an example) when being charged. That means you need to deliver 121.6/.95 = 128 kWh to the battery.
The Lucid is a 900+ V system, and there is a "wunderbox" DC:DC converter in the car that has to lift the voltage output by the DC fast charger, in order to charge the battery. DC:DC conversion can be very energy efficient, so that's probably 99% efficient. So now we are at 128/.99 = 129.3 kWh.
But, there's more. We need to cool the battery and wunderbox whilst it's being fast-charged. This is done with an active cooling system. The coolant must be pumped around the battery and wunderbox, and through a compressor to actively cool it, similar to an air conditioner or fridge. Clearly, this cooling system needs energy to work. Where does that energy come from? From the charger! So that's where the final few kWh of energy from the charger goes.
In conclusion, it is totally plausible that 134 kWh drawn from the charger would result in the claimed 118 kWh of useable electrical energy from the battery. In my example, the numbers work out as below. In reality the exact numbers might be a little different but they should be in this ballpark:
Energy delivered from charger to car: 134 kWh
Energy used by cooling system to keep battery and electronics cool: 4.7 kWh
Energy lost as heat in the "Wunderbox" DC:DC converter/battery charger: 1.3 kWh
Energy lost as heat inside the battery during charging: 6.4 kWh
Energy stored in battery: 121.6 kWh
Energy lost as heat in battery when it is discharged: 3.6 kWh
Useable electrical energy delivered by battery during discharge (this is the rating of the battery): 118 kWh (= 134 - 4.7 - 1.3 - 6.4 - 3.6).
Did you start charging @ 0 or 10% SOC?
Thanks for your reply.
Did you even watch the video?
DID SOMEONE SAY CANNONBALL RUN RECORD?
I like the way Lucid is doing their marketing and PR. This not only shows their confidence in their product, but also, if anything was off, it gives your engineers another metric to analyze. It shows the type of company Lucid wants to be, versus its more arrogant Cali based competition. I also like the fact that this car seems ready for the mainstream right "out of the box" and is operating as promised. I hope the big three's EV's are this refined. It should make people comfortable with EV adoption going further.
Just incredible charging curve to 80%. They've set the new bar. Hear that Ford, GM? Looking forward to the 70mph range test. Thanks for the video Tom.
Hear that tesla you mean. What an eye blackening embarrassment for “the kings”
Well at least Tesla is in the close neighborhood with the Plaid. It will be interesting to see what GMs Ultium battery will do. I don't expect it to be in the Lucid, Tesla, Porsche territory.
I may have missed it, did you run the cabin A/C? A lot of active cooling may have taken place there.
I’m just wondering why Lucid does not list the weight of the vehicle on their website. They list the width, length, height and wheelbase, but not the weight. Wikipedia lists the weight, but apparently, that was obtained from a review, not from Lucid. From what is listed in Wikipedia the Lucid weighs about 500 lbs more than a Tesla Model S Plaid. Where does that additional weight come from? Are the Lucid body panels made from steel?
Rawlinson and his team are not being forthcoming. It’s probably heavier than disclosed in those blogs.
Man this makes a great road trip car for the family.
Tom, I follow you on several channels. I enjoy your honesty and freshness. Glad you got this chance of testing the charging curve of the Lucid Air. It takes dedication and a belief in what you are sharing to be good and you have done well. Thanks for your review. It was informative and impressive. Interesting on Inside EV you said Lucid was monitoring the charging as you were. Is this a common practice that you can be monitored by a car manufacturer while charging. This would not make me comfortable. Your feelings?
OEMs do often remotely monitor press loan cars. But this was a special case. They are a new company with a car that they have only delivered to about 100 or so customers, and we were doing a charging test that they have never allowed anyone outside the company to do before.
I asked them to monitor in case there was a charging issue. I would then know if it was on the side of the car, or if the charging station had an issue. I wasn't confident that the Electrify America station would work as well as it did. I've never seen one deliver 300+ kW to an EV before, so iI was concerned that it may overheat the station and reduce the charging rate. If it did that, I wouldn't know if it was the car throttling back the power or the station.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney So impressed with your video, I now have Lucid stock. Thanks for a great video.
Best overall car in the market right now there is no argument thats even close
guess the analogy is like air pressure.
easy to put lots of air in when the tank is empty.
then it takes more effort to cram more in.
higher the pressure and volume, the higher the heat created that must be dealt with.
i think your right about the cooling system for the battery using up some of those losses.
probably a good percentage to hold those rates of charge.
be interesting to see the losses on a slow overnight a/c charge.
That's the only logical explanation. 🤪
I'm invested in Lucid and it's great to see the quality of their vehicles. I hope once they start doing mass production the quality continues. I don't have much money but I believe in their product and maybe that will allow me to afford one of their less expensive products they plan for in the future.
Was that EA charger cable very heavy? At 350 kW and 900 volts, you had about 389 amps going through the cable for a short amount of time. To deliver 400 amps continuously, you need a 500 amp cable. Do you think the cable is water cooled to reduce wire size?
They are definitely bulky
Excellent vehicle, man I wish I could buy it
It seems the battery isn't as published. is that so?
Thanks Tom, great video! But doesn't this mean that the battery pack is larger than the stated 118KWH or that its highly inefficient? Seems concerning either way but maybe I'm not understanding the technology?
You are right. It smells bad. Only 1% should be lost when charging, so somthing is wrong.
There are about 16.3% charging losses during charging to run the cooling system and fans and then there's also loss due to the heat. Tesla's EPA filing shows a 16.3 kWh loss during charging. It requires 116.3 kWh to fill a 100 kWh battery pack. this is how it works for all EVs. the charging losses are 10 to 15% when using high-speed DC fast chargers.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Tom, do I remember right that I read quite some time ago, that Tesla didn’t charge for charging losses, like running the heater during DC charging, but they were going to start adding it in to the charging cost?
@@petebremy49 They charge the owner for it, but the kWh dispensed isn't shown on the in-car screen.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Then if you know the rate your being charged at the charger, you should be able to calculate the loss easily.
Very interesting! But what if you start charging at 20% SOC? Would the curve overlap with this one or would charging again start at 300 kW until the components start to overheat? So I could imaginge the 20...80% charging time could be even shorter. That is if the temperature is actually measured and fed back to the software and not a fixed charging curve is programmed. If you get hands on the Lucid Air again, that would be interesting to see.
I'm going to find that out soon. Stay tuned!
Can you compare it to the Tesla Model S long range? Plaid range is definitely too short to compare
16kWh losses is the amount of heat generated by 8 2kw space heaters running full blast for an hour. Where did all that heat go?
Went same place as all other evs
@Jimmy Edward 118kwh but take about 10% more to fill it 100% like all EVs
@Jimmy Edward I’m not an expert on ev battery but my model s and my sons model 3 both requires about 10% more to get to 100% and takes me about 1.5 hours to charge my car to 100% but only around 350 miles as oppose to 520 for lucid.
@@mkkang He's telling the facts which you haters are ignoring.
@@mkkang Your other comments shows who pays you.
As I've said before, you guys are the best. Great job estimating what you will get when you do the 70 MPH range test. Two questions: 1. Does it have a battery temp gauge? 2. Can you estimte the KW/100miles number from the short drive you made?
No battery temp gauge at this time
@@brandenflasch That's too bad as there are ways to increase the temperature to that desired for charging
@@ChuckJ1944 there is a battery preconditioning function
@@brandenflasch yes, but I think it takes a period of time and one could get it there faster if you are not that far from a charging station using manual regen. Also, because it also charges very fast it's nice to know how much the battery temp is getting to.
You said the EA solar roof panel charges batteries at night during cheaper off peak hours. How does the solar charge at night?
if you have an environmentally control charging station would that help or if charging in cooler or winter condition help in charging time? Science question
I'm gonna believe these numbers until regular customer start reporting them. But great start 👌
I thought it has a 118 KWH battery? It added 134 KWH charging?
I do explain that in the video and even more in the article: insideevs.com/news/550025/lucid-air-fast-charging-review/
There are charging losses and the cooling system is using energy to keep everything from overheating. From my experience, I usually see 10% more energy dispensed than what ends up in the battery. The Air needed 13.5% more because higher charging rates create more heat, and thus more losses.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thanks I’ll go back and replay the video and check out the article! Love the videos!!
I've never clicked on a video so fast!
Does pre-conditioning move electrons to fuller battery cells leaving only empty battery cells for charging? Would this improve charging times due to incoming voltage being localized?
… that’s not how charging or batteries work. Preconditioning heats the battery.
@@brandenflasch Thanks, truthfully I paused the video when he mentioned it and made an assumption and asked. He did explain this after. Live and learn.
does anyone know how big the battery is. i keep hearing it's 118kw usable. and i've heard statements like tom repeated here that lucid say thebattery pack 'is not much bigger than that'. i don't understand why they won't just come out and say the size.
have they stated the size does anyone know. if not i would say it's suspicious.
Lucid CEO Peter Rawlings stated the battery size was 118kWh.
@@thadlm2698 Rawlings is lying
@@beemarine8513 Yes, I know and agree with you.
Thanks Tom. Was so excited to see this and you delivered!
It's a shame manufacturers are trying to game the peak charge rate (ALL of them!). Most people won't charge from 0% most of the time. Reasonably you would charge from the 10% to 30% range. So keeping a STEADY rate of say 175 kw from 0-80% at that rate would be more practical since that is what most people will experience. You would plug in at 20% and run at 175 kw all the way to 80% and that would give you the ability also to almost exactly calculate when your session will end.
The higher start up rate I guess is favorable for people who just want a quick hit or only charge for a very short time (like 5-10 mins). Charging at a lower sustained rate though should also be better for the battery. I wish you could have a choice when plugging in.
You don't understand how it works
@@larryspiller15 Sure. I can always learn if you want to explain.
All of this charge curve talk is infuriating to me because people think that peak kW is all hype but in reality it is literally the quickest way to charge. Vehicles with "better" charging curves are snake oil because those vehicles hide away a significantly larger top buffer to make it seem as though you are taking more kW at a higher state of charge but in reality you are at a lower state of charge and don't have access to your full charge of the pack in exchange for a pretty graph that does nothing for you.
Good stuff, Tom. Looking forward to the range testing video
According to Google Los Angeles to Los Vegas is 270 miles. So you literally have enough Range to drive from la to vegas and back in one full charge. That's kinda Insane!