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Hey Hans, you often say that you commute on a motorcycle. Maybe you could do a video about your clothing as probably you tried some different things and coud share what work the best for various weather conditions?
Heated jacket helps a lot as well. For my winter time commute (I live middle of England so it's not too bad - it gets down to about minus 2 or 3 at worst) - I go with thermal underlayers, heated Gerbing jacket (under Dianese Carvemaster as main jacket) and Gerbing heated gloves, ski socks, fully waterproof boots, and heated grips on full power :D Although I will say that the icy roads are usually the thing that stops me commuting - at around 0 degrees I'm usually warm enough but if the road is icy then I stay at home.
That remaining "problem" would make me looking closer at electric motorcycles where the motor has been integrated inside the wheel. Currently we only have prototypes, RMK E2 (Finland) tried hardest but it appears they failed to reach production, their website is down. The in-wheel design allows to get rid of the last element requiring maintenance (aside from the tires of course), the chain or belt. We would also gain about 5% in energy efficiency (compared to using a belt). Nowadays nearly all electric scooters are designed like that and they are also nearly silent. I guess it is still not commercially possible to place an electric motor inside a wheel, that is both small and powerful enough while not overheating. By the way, the larger belt of the DSR/X makes more noise than on my SR/F. That, with its higher price, keeps me happy with what I have.
I believe the Experia makes already less noise but need to test it myself to confirm. I personally don't think those hub motors are a good evolution. That is extra unsprung and rotating weight and complexity in a spinning wheel. So gets in the way for tyre changes and brake servicing. Not to mention what if you want an extra set of wheels or damaga a wheel.
Yes definitely lacks on the suspension unless you go for the very pricey ohlins option. I fixed the rear by swapping it for a fully adjustable hyperpro adapted to my weight and designed for this bike. I could update the internals for the front also but so far didn't really feel the need for that. I don't ride that aggressively and there is more adjustability to front by default.
Hoi Hans, ik vind je filmpjes altijd heel leuk en informatief, maar ik denk dat je info hier niet juist is. Je verteld dat het geluid anders is per rij-modus. Je opmerking klopt niet volgens mij. Het maakt niets uit in welke modus de motor rijdt voor het geluid, er veranderd namelijk helemaal niets in de aan de tandwielen in de reductiebak die het geluid veroorzaakt. De belasting (hoeveel "gas" je geeft / kW die er naar het achterwiel gaan) is naar mij idee de enige variabele voor het geluid. En ja, die veranderen wel als je van modus switched, maar het is niet de directe oorzaak.
Ja klopt helemaal wat je zegt. In urban gaat de mijne niet veel hoger dan 47 kW. Tegenover 80 kW in sport is dat inderdaad het grote verschil. Ik verwoord het niet correct
Hehe ja en je kan er nergens mee komen zeggen ze. Zal binnenkort es in video delen hoe m'n nieuwe ICE maar even ver (zelf iets minder ver) geraakt. Dan rest er alleen nog dat naft laden wat sneller gaat.
It's pretty accurate. It is annoying 😁. The zero only made some white noise like sound. And the belt could make whining noises in the rain. But indeed way more silent ride. Even in sport.
@HansHacks Sounds about right. The pitch is consistent with the acceleration, so it tapers off once you settle into a constant speed. Reasonably quiet after that. The Energica looked good on the spec sheet, but that noise could be a deal breaker for me. How do you like the bike overall?
I like it a lot. I had the zero srf before this one and despite the same power output of felt quicker but mostly more agile because of lower weight (mine was 240 kg with charge tank vs this 270 energica). Also the belt drive is easy to maintain and near silent operation. However it wasn't 't reliable. Broke a belt at 11.000 km was in repair a few times because of water issues (just rain) and they have battery issues known as magic charging which live luckily didn't suffer from. Sold it after 2 years and got this Energica instead. It has flaws like that sound and the heavier weight. Chain is OK with that low maintenance one I have on there now. Fast charging is awesome. As long as you don't need more than 1 fast charge on a ride (~400 km max) cause after the first charge it heats up and almost doesn't cool down so next charge is slower.
Noise is not acceptable, heat build is not acceptable if your going to offer fast charge, weight is not acceptable at all. I speak as a Zero SRF owner 40 KG lighter, 110 mile range using it full on and no chance of fast charge. For my use case 110 mile of full on performance on a 220Kg cheaper bike and back home to charge overnight is the answer. 220 Kg is the maximum for a quickish flicking bike so work from that, 110 Hp is the minimum for fun, I speak from 50 years experiance Zero have nailed the optimal performance envelope.
To each their own. My 2019 Zero SR/F premium with charge tank was 240 kg and only offered 12 kW charge speed if I could find the right 3 phase charger and almost always had to bring my own cable. Plus a spare belt in case it snapped again. Not to mention all the issues it had and the lack of support from Zero. The only difference that is important to me between these bikes is that the Energica is reliable.
I think the Zero's are a bit quieter - belt drive takes away alot of the noise. But I've never put a mic right next to my motor like Hans so I'm not entirely sure how it sounds.
Very nice!!
Thanks man 👋
the energica is lit
For sure, best electric by far. Maybe livewire is close but that's it 😌
@@Hans2183 I love my older Ego, I've only sat on a livewire before and it feels so small.
Hey Hans, you often say that you commute on a motorcycle. Maybe you could do a video about your clothing as probably you tried some different things and coud share what work the best for various weather conditions?
Good idea. For the current winter conditions my tips would be thermic underlayers, heated gloves, ski socks and a baclava 🥶
Heated jacket helps a lot as well. For my winter time commute (I live middle of England so it's not too bad - it gets down to about minus 2 or 3 at worst) - I go with thermal underlayers, heated Gerbing jacket (under Dianese Carvemaster as main jacket) and Gerbing heated gloves, ski socks, fully waterproof boots, and heated grips on full power :D
Although I will say that the icy roads are usually the thing that stops me commuting - at around 0 degrees I'm usually warm enough but if the road is icy then I stay at home.
That remaining "problem" would make me looking closer at electric motorcycles where the motor has been integrated inside the wheel.
Currently we only have prototypes, RMK E2 (Finland) tried hardest but it appears they failed to reach production, their website is down. The in-wheel design allows to get rid of the last element requiring maintenance (aside from the tires of course), the chain or belt. We would also gain about 5% in energy efficiency (compared to using a belt).
Nowadays nearly all electric scooters are designed like that and they are also nearly silent. I guess it is still not commercially possible to place an electric motor inside a wheel, that is both small and powerful enough while not overheating.
By the way, the larger belt of the DSR/X makes more noise than on my SR/F. That, with its higher price, keeps me happy with what I have.
I believe the Experia makes already less noise but need to test it myself to confirm.
I personally don't think those hub motors are a good evolution. That is extra unsprung and rotating weight and complexity in a spinning wheel. So gets in the way for tyre changes and brake servicing. Not to mention what if you want an extra set of wheels or damaga a wheel.
Another thing - don't you think that one more downside of that bike is its suspension? I find it way worst vs BMW for example.
Yes definitely lacks on the suspension unless you go for the very pricey ohlins option. I fixed the rear by swapping it for a fully adjustable hyperpro adapted to my weight and designed for this bike. I could update the internals for the front also but so far didn't really feel the need for that. I don't ride that aggressively and there is more adjustability to front by default.
Hoi Hans, ik vind je filmpjes altijd heel leuk en informatief, maar ik denk dat je info hier niet juist is.
Je verteld dat het geluid anders is per rij-modus. Je opmerking klopt niet volgens mij. Het maakt niets uit in welke modus de motor rijdt voor het geluid, er veranderd namelijk helemaal niets in de aan de tandwielen in de reductiebak die het geluid veroorzaakt. De belasting (hoeveel "gas" je geeft / kW die er naar het achterwiel gaan) is naar mij idee de enige variabele voor het geluid. En ja, die veranderen wel als je van modus switched, maar het is niet de directe oorzaak.
Ja klopt helemaal wat je zegt. In urban gaat de mijne niet veel hoger dan 47 kW. Tegenover 80 kW in sport is dat inderdaad het grote verschil. Ik verwoord het niet correct
Je hoort ze niet aankomen, zeggen ze... Er is geen beleving doordat je het geluid mist, zeggen ze... ;-)
Hehe ja en je kan er nergens mee komen zeggen ze. Zal binnenkort es in video delen hoe m'n nieuwe ICE maar even ver (zelf iets minder ver) geraakt. Dan rest er alleen nog dat naft laden wat sneller gaat.
Hard to tell how accurate the recording is, but that pitch seems a bit annoying. Zero is definitely quieter judging by this video.
It's pretty accurate. It is annoying 😁. The zero only made some white noise like sound. And the belt could make whining noises in the rain. But indeed way more silent ride. Even in sport.
@HansHacks Sounds about right. The pitch is consistent with the acceleration, so it tapers off once you settle into a constant speed. Reasonably quiet after that.
The Energica looked good on the spec sheet, but that noise could be a deal breaker for me. How do you like the bike overall?
I like it a lot. I had the zero srf before this one and despite the same power output of felt quicker but mostly more agile because of lower weight (mine was 240 kg with charge tank vs this 270 energica). Also the belt drive is easy to maintain and near silent operation. However it wasn't 't reliable. Broke a belt at 11.000 km was in repair a few times because of water issues (just rain) and they have battery issues known as magic charging which live luckily didn't suffer from. Sold it after 2 years and got this Energica instead. It has flaws like that sound and the heavier weight. Chain is OK with that low maintenance one I have on there now. Fast charging is awesome. As long as you don't need more than 1 fast charge on a ride (~400 km max) cause after the first charge it heats up and almost doesn't cool down so next charge is slower.
Noise is not acceptable, heat build is not acceptable if your going to offer fast charge, weight is not acceptable at all. I speak as a Zero SRF owner 40 KG lighter, 110 mile range using it full on and no chance of fast charge. For my use case 110 mile of full on performance on a 220Kg cheaper bike and back home to charge overnight is the answer. 220 Kg is the maximum for a quickish flicking bike so work from that, 110 Hp is the minimum for fun, I speak from 50 years experiance Zero have nailed the optimal performance envelope.
To each their own. My 2019 Zero SR/F premium with charge tank was 240 kg and only offered 12 kW charge speed if I could find the right 3 phase charger and almost always had to bring my own cable. Plus a spare belt in case it snapped again. Not to mention all the issues it had and the lack of support from Zero. The only difference that is important to me between these bikes is that the Energica is reliable.
that's my least favorite part, I wish is was silent, but there aren't any competitors (to speak of) yet
Yeah silent or a nice rumble. But not this whining 😌
I think the Zero's are a bit quieter - belt drive takes away alot of the noise. But I've never put a mic right next to my motor like Hans so I'm not entirely sure how it sounds.
True my zero only made noise when the belt was wet in the rain. Otherwise almost silent. The motor noise is very little.