Can Nattokinase Help Break Down 'Microclots'? | With Prof Resia Pretorius & Prof Doug Kell
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2022
- The social media rounds have been aflame with long haulers trying the enzyme Nattokinase - and others (like Serrapeptase and Lumbrokinase) - rumoured to have positive effects due to their clot busting properties. But what exactly is Nattokinase, and why does it work? In this bonus film in the microclots series, Dr Asad Khan and I talk to Professors Resia Pretorius and Doug Kell to get their thoughts.
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MICROCLOT EPISODE LINKS
Episode 1 (Pathophysiology) with Dr Jaco Laubscher:
• The 'Microclot' Pathol...
Episode 2 (The Research) with Profs Pretorius and Kell
• 'Microclots' in Long C...
Episode 3 (The Big Picture) with Profs Pretorius and Kell
• How 'Microclots' Fit I...
Episode 4 (Treatment) With Dr Jaco Laubscher:
• How To Treat 'Microclo... - Наука та технологія
I am Japanese. We eat natto when we have breakfast. We have known the health benefits of eating natto for decades.
That’s why you look natto
@@john1198Dumb
I think you may mean centuries actually.
Eating it in food forum isn’t the same as a concentrate because it gets destroyed by the time it get to absorption in the gut
I don't think the enzymes are destroyed in the stomach. They make it to the gut
What a lot people don't seem to get: Don't wait for that one Wonderpill. Instead, attack the disease on all fronts at the same time to highly increase your chances of healing. For example:
- For the inflammation cascade and fatigue take Coenzym Q10, Vitamin D³, Resveratrol and astaxanthin. Drinking Green Tea could help too. EPA and DHA fatty acids are very important for the reduction of the inflammation process (especially in the heart and brain), your veins and thinning the blood.
- For the Microclots take said enzymes (nattokinase, serrapeptase and so on)
- to increase your oxygen levels and your blood flow take Coenzyme Q10 and Ginko Balboa. The latter could also help against the brain fog (it even helps against prions, and the spike protein acts similar to prions in the brain). Pistachio nuts and red beet juice increase nitric oxide levels and therefore the blood flow.
-You need (natural) ACE2 inhibitor to stop the cascading effect of the inflammation to get worse and to prevent further replication of the Spike-Protein and to prevent new infection. Among these are: The bioflavinoids Quercentin (also acts as a anticoagulant), Hesperidin (in the peel of Citrus-Fruits) and naringinin (Grapefruit), also the EGCG from green tea and the CBD from Cannabis... there are others in some chinese herbs (harder to get by).
- Stuff like OPC, Rutin and Bromelain are helping as well by reducing inflammation, making your veins more elastic, repair veins and thinning blood. This all could help in preventing death from clots. Garlic and Ginger are also natural blood thinners. Garlic and Sulforaphan (Brokkoli Sprouts) also help in detoxing the spike proteins. Horseradish activates the neutrophiles of the immune system, that can get rid of the spikes.
- I also highly recommend compounds with the ability to detox heavy metals like glutathion, fulvic acid/humic acid, chlorella-algae and R-Alpha Lipoid Acid (makes also antioxidants even more effective). Glutathion (GSH) is also VERY IMPORTANT for your immune system and people with long-covid have decreased levels. N-Actylcysteine helps in increasing your GSH Levels and also significantly decreases inflammation in the lungs.
-Of course you should take a lot of vitamin C (lungs, immune system) and all B-Vitamins (blood, Oxygen-levels and nerves). You should not be deficient in Retinol-Vitamin A (immune system), Vitamin E in all its forms (4 Tocopherols and 4 Tocotrienols) for repairing of tissue, Zinc (immune system), Copper & Selenium (immune system, Detox) and all Electrolytes (Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium, Chloride). Keep your liver and kidney clean.
-Be careful: Research interactions with your medication with all of the mentioned above. Mixing anticoagulant compounds and blood thinning compounds could be dangerous (internal bleeding). Grapefruit has dangerous interaction with some 80 medications so be aware. You should also spread the intake of the supplements over the day and not take all at once.
-Fasting (and reducing carbohydrate intake) helps with EVERYTHING mentioned above trough a process called Autophagy. It significantly reduces inflammation, kills viruses and starts a process of cell repair. Try daily intermittent fasting and slowly increase your fasting schedule over a period of two weeks until you eventually are at 20+ hours of fasting. Maybe go for 48 hours once a month. There are people that got healed only by fasting. You will also loose excess weight and that always decreases mortality with covid.
- A little bit of sport (if possible) or at least some daily movement is necessary for complete healing. It is known to reduce infection induced inflammation and reducing the risk of thrombosis. But take your time and go easy - especially if you are a young male. Elevated testosterone is associated with higher risk of myocarditis (heart inflammation with potential heart failure) and after covid the risk of myocarditis is already increased for one year. That's why we saw so many male athletes just drop dead in the last two years. Slowly increase your movement. Qi-Gong is a low-level exercise that helps me a lot to elevate symptoms. Especially exercises for the lung and heart meridians.
-Personally I am also a big fan of healing frequencies, although it surely is weird for some people at first. Try "Rife Frequencies" for lung, heart, blood flow, inflammation, infection and so on on youtube or search for "Sapien Medicine" (really try the hyperbaric oxygen therapy they have!) and "Quadible Integrity" on youtube. Give it a shot, you have nothing to loose after all. Its all for free on youtube. Acupressure/Acupuncture can also help a lot in elevating symptoms. Don't underestimate these tools.
Hope I could help someone :)
Agree you have to hit this on multiple fronts - and thank you for the super detailed comment! One thing that I believe to be critical as part of the ‘plan of attack’ is making multiple interventions designed to calm the nervous system down. So this is achieved through eliminating stressful activities and situations, a change of the work environment (if there is one), and then LOADS of rest, breathwork and meditation. Highly recommend Suzy Bolt’s yoga programme (its very very gentle)
Great advice
This is gold .. thank you ..im on colchicine for pericarditis. And was told not to take grapefruit . I wondered why..I also have a high d dimer
So what is most helpful right now, help expedite the healing of a recent Covid -19 infection, with lingering symptom's of phlegm and cough ? NATTO or something else?
@@flolou8496 If cough is your only problem I would just increase the Vitamin C intake to 3x ~150mg per day and the Vitamin D intake to 5000-10.000 I.U. per day, drink loads of green tea and herbal tea (especially liquorice, eucalyptus, Thyme and salvia) and just wait two weeks. Maybe take some NAC as well. You should wait for a few weeks after infection before working out again, even if you feel kinda alright again. That's very important, because starting to early can trigger long covid. But natto is always a great idea, with or without covid, because it prevents heart diseases and stroke (the number one killers).
I have lung fibrosis and before I started taking the (3) enzymes my lung capacity was at 26% and on oxygen 24/7. My lung capacity has increased to 67% in a year. I use oxygen as needed now. I am no longer on deaths door. I am healing!! I highly recommend Serrapeptase, 5:23 Nattokinase & Lumbrokinase enzymes
Thank you so much for sharing your story. Can you also share how much and how often you’ve taken these enzymes?
@@swingister Lung Support by Xtend-life life is an interesting lungs formula too
What Brand do you take please ?
Research Lung Flush by Omega Alpha. It's a concoction of Chinese herbs.
i just found out about serra and lumbro yesterday and im grateful i did, happy youre doing better =D
This stuff is brilliant!! It up my recovery hugely within a month of using it. I learnt alot through trial and error but now I've got it working for me perfectly. For what it's worth I summirsise it so somebody Doenst have to deal with what I had to:)
If you take a large dose straight off you start to feel terrible quickly as it's breaking the clots up fast and your body reacts to all the debris.
I started taking it slowly so it cleaned up my blood first, then afterwards I increased it to start attacking all the stationary clots in the vessels.
Afterwards I added serrakkanse to break down the biofilms where the virus debris might be lurking behind. You can add more nakketansee during this time. That's the my logic. It seems to work for me and I've had no side effects so far.
The other thing is I put it by my bed and if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night it's then I take it as my stomach will be empty and it will have time to digest and go into the blood stream instead of attacking the protein in the food instead.
After 2 years of this shit, I'm back running, my heart rate has dropped, I'm not dizzy and I feel like the everyday breathless is a thing of the past.
Good luck to everyone
Fantastic to hear you’re back to running!
Amazing report. Can I ask please is this something you continue to take or did you taper off? So happy to hear you're back to health.
@@Peter-mo3pr hi, it's something you could possibly taper off if u want, but I think it's gonna be something I keep in my daily health tool box from now on, I think it's as useful as vit D & C everyday.
I didn't have any side effects to date either.
Good luck!
@@marky5493 awesome news man, got a consultation with a cardiologist on Friday. Once I know my hearts okay and there aren't any major clotting issues I'll give this a go. Glad it's helped you!
@@Peter-mo3pr At the 2 year mark suddenly I felt better and was fully myself almost at 90 percent, but a second reinfection caused s relapse, so it could be natural healing with time the gentleman experienced.
3 months after getting the alpha form of COVID I experienced a TIA while driving that resulted in totaling my car. After release from the hospital, I began taking a daily dose of aspirin and continue taking it some 18 months later. Later that year, a physician doing a COVID study at a State University suggested I start Nattokinase. I have been taking both aspirin and Nattokinase now for some 15 months and have not had another TIA or brain fog. As said in the video, Nattokinase is a low-risk dietary supplement that attacks fibrinogen formations in the bloodstream. I recommend it for those with blood clot concerns.
I've started taking Nattokinese and NAC yesterday. Hoping for positive results, remind me for feedback.
Please could you tell me how much you take?
@@autumnb7135 Since Nattokinase is considered a food supplement, there is no dietary recommendations. The supplier I used specifies their capsules have 2000 FUs, whatever that means. Their recommended dosage is one capsule/day. Each capsule has 2000 FUs.
@@djwarner7144 Thank you!
@@matthewws5694 good luck
Thank you thank you! I have had Long Covid since June of 2022. After 6 days of taking Natto-serriizime for just 6 days and feel better. My brain fog feels like it’s lifting….
Have you felt decline in athletic performance after covid and jab
@@pudhiyamukam162 I do feel that. I have had above average lung capacity since I was young. After COVID and jab, my heart rate so easy to get high and be out of breath even when I walk up some stairs.
I work as a librarian in Luleå, Sweden and I bought your book for our library. Of course, I borrowed it for myself first and it will be my christmas holiday read 😊🥰
Great to hear that Mia! I hope plenty of others get to benefit too :)
Same!🎁🎄
Cheers from Sweden near Uppsala! Do you suffer from LC?
@@tigerspiritjourney I do. Slowly getting better but it is such a long process. Love that it does get better with time and effort, though 💛
@@mialindvall Hi! Yes, its been 10 months since my Omicron infection, and just yesterday still had a tachycardia event while watching a movie, very relaxed. Very annoying and a bit scary... It's time for me to put in the effort to slowly heal and deal with these lingering odd symptoms... Sadly at the first Vårdcentralen doctor's check up after the infection, he did a test for Borrelia ( I told him about a tick bite )which came back very positive. So a bit complicated🙄. I wish you all the best of health and healing!!🤗
Natto is definitely helping me and I’m a March 2020! Not until I started taking on an empty stomach though. Improved by about 20% functionally and there are days I don’t feel poorly which is a revelation
That’s great news!
Take it before bed.
Yes I found that works for me too
Tu.. just wondering where disolved clots go? Into the blood stream? Have peripheral artery disease.. (pad).. what brand are u taking and is it enteric.. healing prayers for all of us.. must advocate for ourselves 🙏❤️😻🌊🙌
@@RUNDMC1 pre med here/spot on tu/ have studied for wks.. wonderful info on choices and from a fellow survivor.. wondering where dissolved clots go.. what natto brand? Enteric? 1 source said can't get into the blood.. it's endothelial disease and my 10 drs do not understand /was in Aussie land on delegation.. 3wks.. NZ, Sydney, Melbourne.. loved it 🙏❤️😻🌊🙌🦘🦘
Nattokinase is an absolute wonder pill for me. Cured me from bedridden to fully healthy after months of deterioration. Within 3 days, with first effects in hours.
Before, I couldn't get enough oxygen without breathing through my mouth whilst laying still in bed and got vertigo and headaches after 2min conversations. Now (day 4-5 after taking it), I've held multiple hour long deep conversations, worked 12 hour shifts, did sports, skipped sleep, stopped taking rest throughout the day, etc. No other word than wonder pill does this justice. But it's different for everyone, I'm just extremely lucky.
did you only take natto, did you supplement it with other blood thinners ?
Can you please give an update on how you‘re feeling now after 3 months?
Thank you Gez!! You should be recognized for your contribution towards LC!!! Im waiting for that day :)) LC patients are in such a disadvantage since the beginning in 2020 as GPs lack understanding of the condition and research is still only underway.
Thanks so much Lola 😊
lc doesn't exist
viruses are a hoax
I can’t thank you enough for your on going work with these videos. A year and a half later I’m having a flare, and it’s a lonely path- so thanks for being a shining light for so many.
I started nattokinase about 1.5 years ago and saw a slow but steady and progressive improvement ever since. There was plenty of evidence on microclots back then already, and it just made sense to try it, and I am glad I did. I could feel the 'wool in the lungs' sensation and air hunger gradually dissapear, my body felt less and less starved of oxygen, I no longer felt like I was suffocating. It makes sense especially for those of us who feel constant air hunger/ SOB whilst CT scans and pulmonary tests are 'normal' that the issue is in the blood vessels. Honestly if it was clear to me - a lay person, it should have been obvious to the medical professionals have they bothered to listen to their patients who are all of a sudden complaining of breathing difficulties yet have normal results, instead of assuming millions of us have anxiety and cannot differentiate between anxiety and a clearly physiological issue (which we sure can).
Prior to nattokinase I felt there was no improvement whatsoever, it really worked for me and I recommend it to everyone who can take it without interactions. Having said that, in my experience it takes you to a certain (good) point but not a complete cure, perhaps as there are also secondary issues we have developed like MCAS for instance.
THANK YOU (Alison Reed) for writing this detailed and evocative report covering the whole experience of the chronic micro-clotting condition! I feel I am finally closing in on my goal of what I called "De-Sludging" the micro-vessels 2 years ago. This is a cascading health issue that increases the risk of death at least 5x from its inception, and inflicts cascading debilitation in many of the body's tissues and organs. Wow - if that could be repaired significantly and prevented from ever recurring - that new age of EFFECTIVE medicine will have arrived.
@@DivineMisterAdVentures you are welcome. How did you approach this 'De-sludging' in your case?
@@alisonreed4408 I needed to replace the habit of drinking milky coffee between meals, and had to pick an ideal low glycemic natural de-sludger. Basically I doubled my spring water intake by spiking it with tasty lemon and natural honey - no blood sugar spike and I guzzle the water - I still recommend that - supplemented by a hot tea with vinegar and honey and red pepper to avoid an extra meal and keep the blood sugar stable another hour or two. May thin the viscous blood of careless consumption, but doesn't help the vascular disease you describe. So next phase!
@@DivineMisterAdVentures ah I see, thank you for sharing
Amen! I am having the same experience as you!
Thank you for covering this!
Indebted, as always Gez! ❤
I can certainly say that nattokinase and serrapeptase has and is helping me although I still have continued LC issues . I started at a low dose 2000 fu twice a day or natto and now take 10,000 fu a day in the morning and night on an empty tummy. I also take aspirin three times a week to help with the platelets.
Thankyou to all of you ... Without your joint knowledge, I'd be totally lost and bedbound
Great to hear it’s helping you!
I'm on plavix, and also doing IV ozone...try that if you can! Improving...severe form, march 2020, no medical care, critical care patient but not hospitalized. Horrorifying but I'm alive.
Thanks Ella, I've ordered both natto and serra and will mimic your doses
@@nataliechristieart hi there , I'm just another person with long covid so I have no medical knowledge. I would perhaps start at low dose and see how you go . Good luck 🤞
Hey how are you doing now on those doses? :) About to order some myself
Instant buy of your book! Thank you so much for your work!
Thank you!
Thank you again, for your great work to give us all sort of informations to better understand this madness and to manage it! You are great! And you diserve our respect and our love!
Thank you Anamaria!
Hi gez I hope you are well I wanted to thankyou for doing these videos online and reporting on the latest findings on long covid I also wanted to thank all the researchers scientists and doctors that are working very hard to try to find a cure or things that will help this horrible debilitating illness I've been struggling with long covid for about 6 months now and I can honestly say it's been the hardest time of my life it affects all aspects of life.
Wishing everyone with long covid all the very best for the future keep up the good work and thankyou to you all. .
Absolutely Malcolm - it’s unbelievably hard to go through
Gez,
I’m so grateful for Your channel!
It has given me more useful information than I ever have gotten anywhere else.
Keep up your good work 👏👏👏
Rolf from Sweden, two years in Long Covid
Thank you Rolf! Best of luck in your recovery :)
I've been taking both nattokinase and serrapeptase for just over a month now for my long covid (March 2020) made a ton worse by a booster vaccine (Dec 2021) and a shingles outbreak that followed 24hrs after the booster. This enzyme combo has been the only thing helping with crushing fatigue and mad heart rate whenever I was climbing the stairs. I was an athlete before all this, some hope that there's a way out after all.
Are you still taking natto and serrapeptase? How much, and is it still working? Any negative effects for you? I'm thinking of taking it.
For your heart, I would recommend adding one more thing to your regimen... Coq10 made by Nordic Naturals. That company produces incredibly pure supplements and their coq10 is no exception.
hey are u still alive bro? checking because I had LC too.
What I learned about LC is that you should never trust pharma and medicine, and never let the government dictate you healthcare decisions. I also knew not to trust the media or institutions like the CDC, DFA, WHO or the WEF.
Thank you Gez, always practical. Enjoy your break from all this work, it’s very well deserved.
After delving into so much of our granular experience, fact checking, surveying, interviewing… amazing. So focusing on the next positives in life will help streamline the next phase of recovery I reckon. You made a readable picture out of some many random pieces of the scattered puzzle.
Thank you Ian!
Gez - your book has helped me through the most difficult part of my life. I am eternally grateful to you, Prof Altmann and the whole community of professionals dedicated to helping us through this nightmare. It's got to the point where I'm recommending it to all of the Doctors I see who are still playing catch up. Thanks again.
Hi David, thanks for writing and for the support. I’m so glad to have been able to help in however small a way it might have been. LC is just the biggest challenge any of us are likely to face and it’s so poorly understood. Best of luck in your recovery!
I have learned thrue your video that we have the same « covid birthday » march 13, 2020.! I am sorry that you are still experiencing symptoms( I do to unfortunally).. thank you so much for everything, Gez, you have been the light in all that journey! Take good care of you and wishing you HEALTH in 2023!
Same to you Lise!
It's funny thing to have a COVID birthday. Mine in Nov 23, 2022. I thought I was gonna sail through COVID. I was all vaxed up and taking lots of vitamins and then
boom. Now I'm taking naps after doing my morning ADL's.
Had heard if nattokinase and sereptase supplements before but not in 5his context . I really hope this is a supplement combination that is a way forward for those who have been stubbornly ill with LC for a long time . Short , informative and easily understood , great vid , well done !
It’s helpful for me
Great insights, Gez! I just bought your book via Kindle as I recover from my second Covid infection. The content is superb.
I longhauled from August 2020 and was still recovering, albeit not to 100%. I’ve been following this space the whole time.
A few interesting changes coming out of my second infection one month out. The lessons we’ve learned are key, in my opinion, to recovering as well as possible. I’m pacing and being very careful. Stay well.
Thanks Onur! Take it easy after your reinfection 👍
I was reinfected too after initial infection of march 2020 and by the 2 year mark recovered fully almost but by summer 2022 I was reinfected and had a relapse. Any relapse you had ? Or protocol that helped you recover?
@@theancientsancients1769 It's hard to say because my health hasn't been the same since a bad Flu to start 2020, then Covid later that year. I didn't really turn a corner until late 2022 myself. Along the way I had lots of flair ups and chronic issues, physical and mental. Time has helped the most. Reinfection was pretty bad. It was in November and I made sure to rest and shelf anything not urgent pretty much through mid-February. Thankfully I was already on a regimen of medicine and supplements that has been effective for me for the most part. My body is just ok, but mentally I'm not there yet either. My doctors say it's trauma at this point, paired with the actual damage the virus has done to me. I just take each day as it comes at this point. My kidney function is off now and that's something my doctor and I are watching closely.
If it helps, this is just my personal regimen. Zoloft, Claritin, Probiotic, CoQ10, Quercetin, NAC, Fish Oil, Vitamin D, Elderberry/Zinc w/Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Magnesium and a loaded men's Multivitamin daily. Recovery is so different for everyone. I can function now but not at the level of a healthy me. One day. One day :).
Thank you so much for posting this!
Thanks Craig!
Gez, THANK YOU SO MUCH for your posts on LC helping us sorting out medical evidence from bad science and useless therapies that won't help and could even worsen our state. Here in Switzerland, GP have no clue as how to help LC patients and leave them to themselves. So THANK YOU so much for gathering the energy, wit and heart to share your findings with others after your recovery. That's genuine resilience !!
Thank you Stephany!
Same here in Sweden...no clue GPs...
isch wirkli so.. got a referall to the pyschosomatic dept :l
We recommended nattokinase and serrapeptase already twenty years ago, in natural health practice ! Then Health Canada banned it for a while ! fortunately, it’s back on the shelves !
Dr Ron Mutch here. I am a chiropractor and clinical nutritionist. The biggest piece of support in my recovery so far has been a product called inflamma lf by Physica energetics. It’s an anti-inflammatory combo of turmeric, Boswellia, devils claw and serrapeptase. I came accross a long hauler article describing the 3 main inflammatory pathways: nfk-b, Jack/stat and MapK. When I increased my dosage from 4 capsules twice a day to 5 to address the new pathways-had the best energy day in 2.5 years. Cleared my pem. I now feel 70% recovered. Searching for the pathway/drivers responsible for the last 30%. Thanks for all you’ve been doing gez. You’ve been a light in a dark tunnel. 👍🙏
Thank you Ron! Great to hear you’re recovering
I was on turmeric boswellia for a long time but it didn't help. Natto and serra helped in just a few days
@@k.scottphillips8933 Which worked better for you the natto or Sera? Thanks 👍
I have not yet tried nato. Just worked with the serrapeptase as it’s in a product line I’m very familiar with and trust to be excellent quality. There have been many pieces however-green tea catechins, Vit b3, adrenal support, etc. there are lots of options and different things seem to work better for different people. I’d recommend trying things gently for yourself or finding a practitioner with lots of experience to guide you. Good luck in your healing journey.
i know this is 11 months old, but it always strikes me that it takes us so long to get "evidence" for something that people say its already helping them. what a world we live in. we definately need more paperwork so we dont advance as species in the 500 years.
Congratulations on the book.
Thank you!
Very interesting and I plan to try this. And I HIGHLY recommend Gez's new Long Covid Handbook, which anyone who has long covid will want to read. Lots in new info and also so good to hear about Gez's personal journey with Long Covid.
Thank you Lynn!
Thank you Gez.. ..you give me hope! My husband has been very lucky being a truckdriver. Washing hands all day long! And being very careful everywhere he goes. He started coughing and feeling rough w no fever. I got scared. He made an appointment and saw his doctor. He's got covid. And I'm terrified. I want him over this w NO LC!!! He's watched me fight for so long! I'm scared.
Thank you Gez! I recommend you to everyone!!!
Thanks Kelly - and wishing you and your husband the best. Hoping for a swift recovery for him!
@@RUNDMC1 Thank you Gez!!!🎄... looking forward to the book!!!
@@kellyberry4173 use flccc protocol for during infection.
@@kellyberry4173 I hope he is ok by now and didn't develop long COVID
This is amazing timing. Just found out about Nattokinase last week & started taking it 3 days ago! Do feel a subtle effect already which is encouraging. Probably need to take it for a few months. Got Serrapeptase on order (not so easy to get hold of as it has been banned in UK, citing “not enough evidence” blah blah. Can get it for pets, so I ordered for my inner dog 🐕.
Great idea to get it from a pet supply store! I will check it out too! 🤗
In America if you identify as a dog you are one LOL
Hey Christine. Any updates?
@@matthewws5694 - Hey Matthew, have noticed some good signs, eg, sleeping easier & better. Motivated to keep taking both (Nattokinase & Serrapeptase) because of several encouraging effects.
You can get from advanced supplements in the uk
I am taking Nattokinace, D3, K2-MK7, Co-Q10, Resveratrol (every other day), Nitric Oxide and 80 grams of fiber. My Macro/Micro Vascular system is running just fine. I am 72 years old and biological I am 63.
Absolutely amazing stuff 👏👏👏👏👏I wonder how this would impact upon my system with me having coeliac disease too 🤔 Thank you all for your continued research ❤
Look at the carnivore diet for celiac. Lots of people heal celiac once they only eat meat
@@swingister I will look into that - Thank you. At the mo I have very little appetite ( I'm not being a negative Nelly here just factual) I live on mushroom soup ( the Covent garden brand) that's gluten free just by chance . I'm not sure if my lack of appetite is due to covid or my other health issues. One thing I do know - Covids turned my life upside down 💔 I'm just in the process of losing my job due to having LC etc . The government should really be stepping in to help us but where are they ... tumble weed city 🤷🏼♀️Thanks for the tip re the carnivore diet . I think that's what Jordan Peterson and his daughter are on due to their collective health issues 🙏
Natokinasse also has resent research that saws promising results in clearing the body from the spike protein… somehow they missed that recent research
You can’t link in the comments but do you know the name of the author?
Degradative Effect of Nattokinase on Spike Protein of SARS-CoV-2 by Takashi Tanikawa, ,
Laboratory of Nutriand others Pharmacotherapeutics Management, School of Pharmacy,
THANKS! @@theodorekyriakos7181
Thank you, Gez, for the info you've given. It's been a long journey, for myself, lots of turmeric has helped, and MSM ( methylsulfatemethane). Out of curiosity, I'm adding MMS to my protocol, and methylene blue.
Thanks to Gez and everyone who has said what they are trying. I've ordered natto/serra to start with. I'm really excited to try this, as I've been having HBOT since September and am really starting to feel that I'm on the road to recovery. It has helped massively with brain fog and reducing fatigue. It's like a battery top up, if used in conjunction with rest and pace. I've even been able to exercise for a bit longer, am managing 3 or 4 sessions of tai chi, yoga or walks @ 20 minutes each, compared with 5 mins a week which still induced PEM. Only get PEM if the yoga moves are too strenuous, so only doing light meditative yoga with tai chi. Good luck everyone
Great to hear of your improvement Natalie! Agree HBOT needs to be combo’d with other stuff :)
How much are you taking? I have a feeling for some people it's helpful to take maraviroc/statin and the natto serra
@k.scott phillips hi, I started natto 2000 fu with serra 250,000 daily with 1 a week dive at 2 ATM oxygen therapy. My cardiologist wants me to go onto ivabradine but not statins.
@@nataliechristieart let us know if anything helps. My symptoms improved but I got stuck with tinnitus and fullness in one ear, not sure if it's from statin or a recent nasal congestion/infection that went through our family. I'm able to exercise moderately now without PEM, but experience tells me that if I get a new infection of some kind, it can set one back again.
I’d love to watch a video about the auto antibodies vs plasmapheresis, immune adsorption and all the other existing alternatives to BC007!
Guess I'll throw my comment on the pile here but I was really struggling with brain fog after getting Covid in Jan 2023, and I tried many many different things, but it was a combo of Nattokinase and Serrapeptase that eventually got me feeling "normal" again. Oddly the serrapeptase would give me pain in my muscles and joints for about a day after I took it, and the nattokinase would cause a sort of bruising look on my toenails, but those things would go away in a few days.
I feel 100% myself again after months of struggles, and it was a few weeks of taking those supplements. So here's another anecdotal story of how those enzymes helped me recover.
That’s fantastic news 👍
@@RUNDMC1 It really is. I was in a bad way until then.
Hi, I wonder how you feel lately?
The study is the fact people are better, sometimes it beggars belief how people ignore real events and use words like supposedly instead of statistics.
I've just come upon this, has the study that was mentioned taken place yet and where can we find the results of this lab study?
I've just started taking bromelain but now I'm wondering if nattokinase is the answer. I'm thankful that someone out there is trying to do something for this community of suffering people when our doctors are not ❤
I've been taking serrapeptase for years, during the transition from winter to spring. This has helped me with lymph breakdown and movement. Please investigate the wonderful uses of serrapeptase, it is an excellent and underrated enzyme.
How much do you take?
Hey Gez! It's been a while but just wanted to stop by & wish you & yours a very merry Christmas & a happy, healthy & prosperous New Year! Watching Lederhosen Zombies right now & made me think of you lol ..horror movies & snowboarding all the way 🥳
Hope you're doing well btw, just got a copy of your book for myself & have recommended it to my dad who works for the NHS & has a few colleagues who are also afflicted x
Thanks Laura! Happy Christmas to you too :)
Can’t say I was aware of Lederhosen Zombies! Will have to check it out 🤣
Thanks for the support re the book!
@@RUNDMC1 Don't think I'd be rushing to see the film now I've seen it tbh lol ...may not be the best thing I've watched to put it mildly 😂
You're very welcome! Really hoping it does well, as from what I've read so far it's great -in keeping with your usual output of course ☺👍
Thank you for video 🍀♥️🙏. Please some tips for joints pains/ cracking? Its nightmare. Bless you.
Covid 2023 and now joints hurt all over body after getting carpal tunnel syndrome in Feb 2024. No covid shots for me. So thinking it could be spike protein still in body. Saw video interview with Dr mcculland saying everyone she be taking bromelain, nattokinase, curcumin
Great info, I've taken both enzymes in the past for a different health issue and was happy with the results. Sadly, the CDC in the US reported that over 3500 people have DIED of Long Covid, only those who were diagnosed will be tracked so the numbers are most likely much higher.
Of course many more people have died of long covid. Easily many millions of people have it and if only 1% of them died - because of vascular issues or suicide or what not - then the numbers are easily much higher than that.
Fantastic...Is it good to take nattokinase and also add natto as a food at the same time in order to increase its abundance and availability? I just started to make my own natto from soybeans, black beans, navy beans and chick peas. Amazon has Nattomoto natto starter from Japan, which I add to 10 ml of water and add to cooled down beans or chick peas, which I cooked in an Instantpot. I got the Instantpot with the temperature control so I can set it to 101 degrees in the yogurt setting and continue with the fermentation for 24 hours. The natto comes out very sticky with strong and stringy fermented components. It seems like it's very powerful stuff...and it's nice to enjoy freshly made natto after an extra day of finishing it off in the refrigerator.
Thanks again for your hard work!! I'm taking natto/serra once per day. Maybe I will increase to twice per day (4,000 fsu). Seems harmless and who knows. Praying for us all.
How have you been since doubling ? Thinking of doing the same
How did it go for you?
@@carmella88 I take double nattokinase 4000 but it works not for me, but some say it works for them taken on an empty stomach which I'm trying to do now
Thanks Gez!
Thanks Char!
Hi Gez, you should look into wim hof breathing technique and the immunomodulatory properties it has for people dealing with long covid. after one session i had the deepest sleep i’ve had in 2 years. i can definitely see how this can potentially cure certain conditions.
I’ve been banging on about breathwork for ages! Wim Hof can be great for some but it’s a bit too stimulatory for many long haulers
Can you take nano and serrapep if you are on blood thinners?? Please help!
This is really interesting! I first tried natto about 10 years ago, because I had been really curious about Japanese food at the time. I fully forgot about it for a while, it didn't even cross my mind... Now this fall I sadly fell ill with Covid for the first time, after being very careful and lucky the previous years.
Oddly enough I very randomly started craving Natto only a short while after recovering. I had a mild go of Covid, but have some lingering symptoms like hair loss. It's said that the body will crave what it needs and I wonder if some part of my body remembered the positive health benefits of natto and made me crave it, to deal with any lingering impacts of covid?
Anyway natto is actually a very lovely food, served over rice with spring onion and cucumber! Would recommend to try this weird and funky soy bean dish!
This might explain my constant craving for cake!
I like it as well. I’m not sure why most people hate it.
I've been craving it too. It's hard to find in NC, US. I bought some spores and dried soybeans and am going to try to make my own natto. In the meantime, I have nattokinase capsules.
@@swingister I like green tea and natto
I think. IT may have saved Japan after WW2.IMO
Look up Taki Mika of Japan.
Shes 92 and could do planks and splits..she eats natto daily
@@kathleenking47 I've seen her and she's amazing! ❤
After dealing with the effects of long covid from March 2020 I tried using Nattokinase about three months ago and all of the exertional intolerance, chest pain and that feeling of pressure in the chest cavity dissipated entirely and have not returned, now I am back to working with the effects of advancing age and de conditioning resulting from not being able to sustain physical activity for nearly 3 years. The basic science seems sound and if this actually works on a larger scale it is unlikely that any drug company will take it up since there is no real money to be made from something so inexpensive. Many thanks to Prof Pretorius for her research and the publication of her work and hopefully the wider medical community will take up this research and relieve us of having to do the research ourselves and look for our own solutions to this widespread problem. Politics and Medicine do not mix well.
What was your daily dose? Did you get herx reactions in the beginning? Thanks
@@bananaq8i I used 2,000 fu/one capsule per day and had no reaction to it at all. Natto is a food in Japan and it seemed like it would not cause any problems in this form.
@@loci1019 I am Japanese. We eat natto almost every day for breakfast. We have known the health benefits for a long time before you guys caught on.
Thank you! Wish there was more talk about Lumbrokinase. Wonder how the efficacy of that differs from the Natto and Serra. Nattokinase can induce histamine spikes so I am currently on the the ground up earthworm path
I have the same questions - my instinct is to take lumbrokinase over nattokinase (because of histamine) but it's difficult to know which is better. I know that Lumbro is much stronger, which could be good or bad I guess - might cause more herxing but also might bust more clots!
@@LouLouMoranK2 can be taken in supplement form. @astrovewlix5929 K2 has specific and significant impacts on massive reductions in plaque removal from arteries.
I’ve been talking this close to a year. I’m here soaking in the tub and realize my vaccine or Covid cough is gone. I always use it on a empty stomach and at a different time that I use the sarra, side effect is I have more regular elimination, X longtime problem.
I have long Covid and deal with muscle fatigue and muscle twitching. Mostly in my hips and shoulders. I'm trying these enzymes now. I tried LDN and it helped, but when I got off it symptoms came back after a few weeks.
Muscle twitching can be caused by stress anxiety poor sleep too unfortunately. Try Xtend-life life Serene Saffron and if you can Total Balance and their omega 3 they helped me with twitching. Best wishes
It appears that it may be the first thing that has helped me. I've had long covid for two-and-a-half years. I felt like that someone turn the lights back on. My brain fog definitely seemed to lift. I have only been taking the Nattokinase and plan on adding the other..
Inspired by the movie poster behind you, I searched and found a movie clip of the James Bond movie "Moonraker" (1979). The clip is called "Drax's deadly dream". It has the following dialog, Hugo Drax says to James Bond, "First a necklace of death above the Earth, 50 globes, each releasing it's nerve gas over a designated area."
It's a good thing that movie was a work of fiction and there is no actual billionaire industrialist sending 50 private satellites into orbit per rocket launch. Wait ... ahh ... something 'X' ... no, it slipped my mind.
Excelsior!
Lol!
Well done!!!😂
I played with usp methylene blue recently and it works very well, in fact, much better than everything else that I tried for long covid. Only downside is that it is $$$ and as soon as I stop to use it, I get back to where I was. My dose was more or less 1/2 teaspoon of 1% usp methylene blue per day.
I love methylene blue.
Update on methylene blue: It worked amazing for a few weeks, then it worked a little bit for a couple more weeks, then it stopped working for me.
As an old psych nurse, what worries me about Methylene Blue is that it is the same as an MAO inhibitor which is a kind of last-of-the-line treatment for depression. It has severe interactions with some very common meds that can cause a severe hypertensive crisis and cause strokes. Look up MAO inhibitor drug interactions if you take this stuff and take it very, very seriously.
@@JOEfromthebuttonfactory Thank you, good to know! I don't use it anymore. It worked very well and then worked less and less, until it didn't work at all for me.
Natto and serra do appear to make a difference. I've taken both for 3 months, then stopped and the fatigue and brain fog have worsened. I am going to try lumbrokinase from the Finchley Clinic next, who describe it as 'natto on steroids'. Hopefully it works even better. Has anyone been on lumbrokinase and then stopped it?
Go iherb instead
You also need inosine. It's natural and improves oxygene flow to the brain and heart! My elderly mother has COPD and takes it to breathe better and to prevent heart and brain damage due to possible stroke and faints from low blood pressure. Its like an oxygene tank, but from within. It's safe, natural and cheap. My mother had already a TIA (transcranial ischemic attack) which is a precursor to a stroke, prior to taking inosine - now she feels great - so it's vital and crucial to take inosine - so TIA or god forbid stroke won't happen again!
Best part and 100% true, "[Anecdotally] Loads of people are getting better with this. Maybe it's a placebo effect, to which my answer is, I bet they don't care. I bet they're very happy to be fixed, placebo or not!"
personally I don't think its the placebo effect. I bought natto at a Japanese food store bc I couldn't locate the Nattokinase supplement and didn't know how much to take if I had, I figured eating the source as the Japanese had been doing for centuries couldn't hurt (I did google an NIH article that explained beforehand however that it causes no harm and does in fact work)...well this was thanksgiving eve and at about bedtime... for the first time in about 2 years my leg that had blood clots previously, suddenly quit hurting....It took me a couple of days to realize it was most likely the natto, I simply had not made the connection but read somewhere that it can indeed help symptoms in as little as 2 hours. I had completely forgotten I had eaten it (and had kept doing so for a few days by this time). since that time I eat some everyday in the form of miso soup. I will swear by it at this point, days when I don't eat it my leg hurts again. taking aspirin also helps, which I had not been doing, but I think the natto is also good for digestion bc of the fermented food aspect whereas aspirin can irritate the stomach.
On what may be a wild goose chase (what about COVID and LC is assuredly not?) I recommend a video Medcram has recently released about Near Infrared Therapy for acute COVID-19: "Near Infrared Light (940nm) Improves COVID Outcomes: Exciting Randomized Control Trial". Where it gets interesting is around the 16 minute mark with a good exposition on oxidative stress. Nearer the 19 minute mark it turns to the role of oxidative stress on the endothelial cells and how that results in release of Von Willebrand Factor and subsequent microclots.
Near Infrared Therapy is probably not a prospect for LC, but the understanding of oxidative stress as a factor in producing the microclots can't hurt. Maybe we are getting closer to preventing at least some Long Covid, if not to treating it.
I bought a red (and NIR) light after Dr Suzy mentioned them on this channel. I think it’s had a positive impact on my fatigue - I use for 20min every other day. @gez medinger - an idea for future video?
Along with this for potential treatment, there is ionized salt solution. There's a researcher who patented tech to safely deliver ionized saline solution intravenously. There's also the possibility of taking that solution orally, there's a company called Asea that already does that.
I had a DVT and Pulmonary embolism 6 months ago. It nearly killed me. I am now taking Rivaroxaban and would like to try the Nattokinase. I hope there is no conflict between the two.
The is a product called VasqFlow by Xtend-life which has an advanced version of nattokinase and other things that improve blood pressure and blood flow and nitric oxide. Bit pricey but worth it. It helped my dad blood pressure who was on many pills for that
How you doing
@@astroboy1207 I stopped all drugs and now I only take Nattokinase and a few supplements. I have been fine with no further problems
Will Nattokinase affect histamine as its fermented properties?
The micro clots that are broken down have spike protein's thats may flow back into body causing issues or more damage.
How do we prevent the newly emerged spike prevent damage else whwre, especially on ace2 receptors
It would be interesting to find out about if lumbrokinase helps to break down microclots too
Yes it does!
Where do u get?
Gez, great video! I wonder if the flushing reaction with Niacin could possibly contribute anything to the breaking down of clots or at least to dislodging them from capillaries where they could be stuck? I ask because over the course of recovery I did take Nattokinase occasionally, but mostly I just took Niacin.
It’s *conceivable* that the vasodilatory effect of the niacin opens up the capillaries that have become gooped up with the microclots
Hi Scripture Through Ancient Eyes, I have long COVID symptoms. May I ask you if you are taking Niacin for long COVID and how long? did it reduce LC symptoms?
Thank you very much.
@@rashidm65 I felt some improvement fast, within days. However, I still experienced bad relapses for another thirteen months. I still take the niacin at 23 months. I think it helped but it was not a magic bullet.
@@scripturethroughancienteye1509 im thinking of trying this. Scared of the flush though. 😬
@@carmella88 Take it very slowly, building the dose. Always eat before taking and especially eat an apple with skin on before. That made all the difference for me.
What's the dosing for COVID symptoms vs the back of the bottle?
I heard about Nattokinase last week, and have been taking it. It has been helping the POTS symptoms, and helped to clear some of the brain fog. I will be looking for the Serrapetase and Lubrokinase. Any little bit helps.
Awesome I barely started it’s making me feel weird with a higher hr but then goes away in couple of hours.. does that mean it’s helping lol!
Are u vaccinated
@@carmella88 I had 1 dose of AZ, in April 2021. It flared up my LC symptoms for 5 weeks, so I declined a second vaccine dose. We were that hearing 40% of people feeling better after vaccination. So I tried it, and ended up in the other 60%.
@@matts4277 dang I'm sorry to hear.
I just had my d dimer tested today and it was elevated. Worried about micro clotting and im not even vaxxed
@@carmella88 interesting, lots of people don't have elevated d-dimers with Covid clotting. Seems that the spike protein can cause blood cell blinding that does not include fibrin, therefore does not break down and does not show up on d-dimer. Hence the nattokinase.
I regularly do high-dose vitamin C infusions (7,5g), which suppress the symptoms for days at a time.
I just had a root canal. About 3 days prior to my procedure, I began substituting the Tylenol/Advil recommended OTCs for Serrapeptase 3-4 (2/day) based on pain. Then I continued that after the procedure for 2 days, plus I drank my organic pineapple juice. I had no swelling or severe pain.
How much Nattokinase are people taking for Long Covid?
Sadly, I bought a supplement through The Wellness Company that’s supposed to help with long covid, they claim. It has natto in it, but it gave me terrible insomnia. I was hesitant because nattokinase is soy and I avoid soy as much as possible cuz it messes with my hormones. But as we all do, I had to give it a try. Oh well. The worst part is they don’t accept returns, and this supplement was very expensive. But press on we will! Thanks again for your videos ❤
Sorry to hear about this Karen :(
Try lumbrokinase instead
@@jakovmarelic Never heard of this one. Thanks. I’ll check it out!
Nattokinase is not from soy. It's an enzyme that helps break it down in the fermentation process but not a component of soy. Check Natural News with Danny Curtain's latest video on it.
The problem with Wellness company is the dosage is low. Papers have shown that high dose (6000 FU and higher) has significant clinical benefit while low dose can have almost zero benefit in some studies.
There are some research papers taking about recommended FUs of NK to take. I actually do prefer to eat natto instead of just the enzyme. Any research as to how much NK can be found in natto ? FU/gr or equivalent data would be very helpful.
By eating natto, you also get vitamin K2 and other goodies. I ferment my natto. It's much cheaper. However, it stinks. I dilute it and blend it with a food processor, so it is tolerable.
I used to get breathless at work. Heart heavy beating hard work struggled. Now ok easy much better. Also my eye sight better.
Sounds promising
great video,i would like to know if serrepatese that is not enteric coated works,thanks.
I would get one that is enteric coated if I were you
I tried natto last year and it did no difference for me but I'm happy if it may help some people.
How much and how severe was you illness?
you did not notice that you bruised easily? I take it - have not gone up to a full dose yet. My D dimer test was elevated for micro blood clots. Never did have the Jab- was around vac ppl and did have covid - not long covid.
I’ve ordered all three of these but can anyone tell me how much to take and how often. I’m really tired of being tired.
Are you doing any of the therapies for lc?
I was infected with Omicron 10/12/23 and am experiencing significant brain fog and systemic, very painful paresthesia. All of my skin has become thin, translucent and has a 'livedo reticularis like' purple and red fish-net like pattern. The brain fog, extreme tinnitus and skin conditions get worse every passing day. Where in the world can I get help?
Hey Gez how are you? its been a while you didn't post anything. I have done a cytokine panel and a doc consultation about it on telehealth. Its very confusing in having like 30+ severe LC symptoms and apparently im not a long hauler because i don't have inflammation in my CCL5(RANTES). But as per microcloth theory im a LC patient. My IL-2, IL-6, IL-8 are actually very inflammed. How do we know if im LC, PVFS, or reignited co-infection? what are the most commons virus ignited by acute covid? Epstein Barr, Borrelia, cytomegalovirus, human herpes-6,coxsakie, toxins, heavy metals, molds? its getting confusing. I dont know where to look.
That's awesome that you got that panel. Ead it very expensive
Gez, do you know the dosis of Natto and Serrapeptase and the duration for which the supplements should be used?
See this thread: twitter.com/gezmedinger/status/1595740412483964930?s=46&t=dKJt7qPWCyKDpNuTO-eKSw
From different resources I have read 4000 Fus of Natto is recommended. People who tried 2000 FUs had not noticeable changes. I started 4000 at night a week ago and Niacin twice a day 500mg each time. Going to look up Serra now to see what is recommended.
Thankyou
Is nattokinase high histamine? I tried it twice... and had a reaction both times... slight lightheadedness... some feeling of "heat"/flushing?
I have had great success with lumbrokinase... I think I better stick with that. 30X stronger than nattokinase... I like Serrapeptase too.
Hey doc do you have the recommended dose and duration for each supplement?
My d dimer went from 1300 while infected with mild covid. 3 months later it's still elevated 612. I had pots during and after infection. Pots seems to have been relieved. I also have pericarditis. Unvaxxed
If you are concerned about thromboids of all sorts, check out the peer-review research on two weeds that are native to the US. Sida acuta and Bidens pilosa both remove excessive clottage
I have tinnitus, blurred vision and bad dizzines,, when I am taking vitamin B it helps a littile with my dizzines I want to try this nittukanis
How do I know I am buying good quality nattokinase supplements? There are so many available online which could just be water and flour as far as I would know.
I am open to anything that may help a sudden onslaught of nerve damage in my feet (likely from COVID or vaccination) neurologists are no help. Searching ... 50 and no other health related issues. All requested lab work is at optimal levels. So frustrated
Seems like the world is waiting on the new antibody trial temelimab/Leronlimab can we know whats the hype with that?
Have a friend got COVID clot early, way before vax. 18" long, grew a bit during 2-1/2 years on prescribed drugs, on his own started taking 8K FU NK daily, and aspirin, don't know how much, 6 months, TOTALLY GONE!
Do not get the pharmaceutical companies involved. You can already buy nattokinanaase in health food stores.
Lumbrokinase its the key its more potent and you get it dirt cheap...
It came from califorinian earthworms...eat one a day till symtoms go away...then once a week..
Been taking Nattokinase for 4 days now been seeing improvement with my 2 yr LC experience.
Wondering if anyone has been also suffering from lc and took Nattokinase and now stopped taking the supp to see if symptoms come bk or went away??
Yeah it’s weird for me. One the one hand I can clearly feel differences from natto and serrapeptase in terms of what I think is blood flowing to more places (my legs will feel cold in certain places) and I can feel my muscle pain disappear. On the other hand i feel that my oxidative stress levels go up sometimes, that I sleep badly sometimes for a few days after taking it and that it throws my balance off (so I’ll have very strong cravings for certain very specific high protein or sugary food items (and not others that are also high in protein or sugar) when I normally do intermittent fasting). I’ve tried apixaban as well and I’ve had similar experiences with incidental use of the lowest possible dose (2.5 mg). Low dose aspirin is something I take every day as well as raw garlic and a few blood thinning supplements (or ones that do something to the blood or the vains at least) including turmeric, ginger, pycnogenol, niacin and mestinon (which is a prescription medicine) occasionally. I’m not sure where it’s headed in terms of my further recovery but right now I can’t see myself do the triple anticoagulant therapy that the South African doctors that have been on seem to have a lot of success with cause one 2.5 mg pill of apixaban once in a while already causes quite serious side effects sometimes, so going up to 10 mg seems unwise. So I stick with the occasional nattokinase and serrapeptase on top of low dose aspirin every day and the various supplements I take. I already took the whole nattokinase and serrapeptase thing too far a few months ago and I had a relapse that was quite serious so I’ve learned to be very cautious as to not taking too much of this stuff. It does seem to be doing something yes in very low doses. I used to need to take creatine every day for example to deal with my muscle pain and to help generate atp but now I can often even forget to take it till well into the afternoon.
What dosage of Nattokinase do you take?
What brands are recommended? I have been using Solaray Nattokinese and think it’s notched down some of my disautonomia symptoms. They seem out of stock looking for another. Does enteric coating really matter??
Honestly we don’t know! There aren’t any studies on this 🤷♂️