Early 90s vintage mountain bikes ridden and judged
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2021
- It's about time the shadowy cartel of playboy gentleman collectors brought together a small selection of their priceless exhibits and got them muddy.
Retro MTBs ridden hard in the North Yorkshire Dales, then judged by some extremely fussy scrutineers. Will one of them kill its rider? Will the cheapest bike also be the fastest?
Bikes:
Fat Chance Yo Eddy
Marin Team Titanium
Cannondale SM2000
Raleigh Dyna Tech Ogre Titanium
Specialized S-Works Prestige
Alpinestars Al-Mega DX
Pace RC200
KHS Titanium
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Fantastic to see these rare beasts being ridden in their natural environment and not just swindled away gathering the wrong type of dust in your garage! Great video, very humerus! too short though, need more! Thanks for uploading! 😁👍
There's plenty more coming, fear not!
great collection of gravel bikes.
Love those retro MTBs. Remind m of my teenage years and rides.
Very nice collection and nice rarities. I still have my 1992 Merida Al Bon upgraded with XT 780T transmission mavic XM 819 rims and DT hubs. Despite not being the lightest , it is still an incredible performance bike
Stay tuned because a lot of these bikes are coming together for a reunion very soon... Glad to hear you're keeping your own retro rarity alive.
Another great and most humorous video as always. So glad you are still uploading videos. Cheers
The 'fat, 'dale and the 'mega (in that order) "for me are impeccable examples of unobtainium, nice collection
I know Modern MTB’s are better in performance,
But those old 80’s & 90’s MTBs have so much more style & interesting color ways & I love the overall frame of the older stuff.
The difference in performance between these bedsteads and my current carbon full-sus 29er is insane, but nostalgia is a powerful drug!
@@red_dread I have a 22lb Nuke Proof 1995 Ti Mt. bike, and just picked up a 30lb Trek Marlin 7 2022 Gen 2 bike. The Trek head tube is still pretty steep compared to the chopper slack head tubes, and the frame is longer. But for performance, the 95 Nuke Proof with turn tighter corners, has much more top speed with 3 chain rings (compared to one on the trek), and a lower creeper gear. For hard tails, I am not really sold on the performance of the new bikes being better. Just different, and maybe requiring different riding styles. But overall, I like the 95 bike better. Quicker, lighter. I really see no reason for the slack head tubes (like 65 degrees) that are sold today. They are like a Harley chopper vs a motocross bike to me.
The very best and when thinking of the braking ‘performance’ the worst of 90s MTBing. Awesome stuff 😎
Amazingly the XT cantis on mine worked better than anything I can remember from back in the day. I guess I wasn't as patient or good at setting them up back then.
Amazing and humorous video. Nice to see a Marin as I had a bear valley back in 1990.
That 1990 Bear Valley was way out of my reach at the time. I doubt I'd have believed back then that one day we'd be having fun with a Team Titanium!
Whoever designed that Cannondale frame is either an engineer that fell asleep in physics class or an architect.
Exactly this! That cantilevered rear dropout might look cool but it hardly inspires the rider with confidence. A Frank Lloyd Wright house works because it isn't designed to be thrown around by a fat man and jumped repeatedly off rocks.
Gosh that noise of the screaming brakes going downhill brings back memories!
It's very evocative isn't it? The noisiest was the Aztec blocks on my XT cantis on the Dyna-Tech, although I wasn't the only one.
@@red_dread It certainly is. Although everything has moved on there is still joy in riding those original bikes from the 1990's.
Canti-lever brake squeal !!!...ahhhhh the sound of the early 90s....brings back many good memories
That was my NOS Aztecs on my XT rear brake. Perfectly set up and more effective than any I had back in the day, but as soon as they got wet it was like a chorus of geese. So much fun.
@@red_dread That distinctive sound can't be erased from my memory.....I haven't ridden a Canti-lever brake bike in maybe 20 years... but that sound. I wish (Hope), despite all the slack geometry ponsi-rubbish of today, a manufacturer bold enough ,would bring back the 90s "send it"geometry on a 26" wheel frame and birng back the exictment I remember from firetrail riding back in the early 90s...Last bike I bought was a 2003 GT Avalanche 2.0 that I still have...but my 1991 Specialized is my most prized possesion and there is no other frame that fits me better than that old Rockhopper
I'm pretty sure they did that on purpose; for effect, of course. And viewer enjoyment! Come on! I haven't heard that many squealing brakes in a LONG time. Surely, none of my canti bikes squealed like that.
That said, the Dia Compe 986 canti on Crack-N-Fails were the WORST! Toe in, re-grease canti post, sand pads, sand rims, THEN ride around with sandpaper sandwiched between rim & pads with brakes on full. When that didn't work, you threw dirt on the brakes. That was usually the solution.
Some very cool bikes, it's good to see them getting a run👍
I like to ride mine regularly, but usually just commuting or playing with the kids. Was amazing to give the Ogre a proper seeing-to on some real trails, felt just like old times.
Love the early 90s! have a 90 RM stratos full XT, minty thumbies and just put on a NOS XT derailleur the ones with that shiny black finish, perfect race face crank , syncros stem threaded of course, rigid tange big shoulder fork, but i have a Brodie gatorblade for it. all silver and black, 88 Ritchey Force comp XT U brake of course, but my favourite is a 94 KONA hei hei titanium with like M900 evrything and a rebuit Marzochi XC 500 rebuild by DR Marzochi form germany, the one with the holes drilled into the fork legs.
Oh wow, the Hei Hei with the drillium Marzocchis sounds insane. I've never seen anything like that in real life, but I know exactly what it looks like from staring at so many magazines!
That's a good fleet of wagons in one area at the same time. 👍
wow not seen some of these machines since the day they were made, I had a rock hopper comp and gee I loved it
If you saw some of these back in the day then you were lucky! Most of these bikes would have been far too exotic for us lot to get anywhere near when we were kids. Except cutting pictures out of magazines.
My favorite 90’s mountain bike, is the Frankenstein I built up from the parts bin from 1995-2015. I have that grey 1st gen Manitou 1.5 inches of suspension bliss fork. I remember the good old days of being a weight weenie, trying to get my 25lb bike down to 23lbs. Titanium and anodized everything.
I definitely remember the weight weenie phase, I took that very seriously too back in the day. Today my lightest MTB in my collection (by far) is that '94 S-Works Prestige. It weighs around 10kg or under 24lbs.
Some beauty's there 👍
2:53 Panaracer Smoke was for the rear wheel and Panaracer Dart was for the front wheel! 😊
Not exclusively! Depends where you live. We used to use Darts in dry and dusty conditions but in the Northern mud a lot of us found the more knobbly Smoke was slightly better on the front to avoid washouts. Only slightly though.
Very entertaining content! Ive been watching your channel as of late. I'll be receiving my '92 Specialized S-Works M2 Duralcan today so I'm sure I'll be diving further into your channel for restoration guidance.
That M2 was pretty much my dream bike for many years when I couldn’t afford it. When I finally got a job in a bike shop (and the staff discount) the M4 had come out. I still couldn’t afford to build that frame with all the components it deserved, but I cherish it to this day. You’ll see it on this channel from time to time.
I'm currently racing on a Kili, insanity but loving it, ... I race cyclo-cross so can ride without suspension and am pretty aggressive. Started racing mtb in the 1990s and just getting back into it.
Couple of races in Cannock this spring if anyone wants a chat and maybe race their vintage bikes.
Enjoyed the vid.
I've never raced Cannock, even though it's not a million miles away from me. I'm not fit enough to race this season (knee op hence my relative invisibility recently), but I do hope to get out and about a bit more as the weather improves.
Excellent channel and bloke
Good Lord, this is the most enjoyable UA-cam video i have ever seen. i will promptly subscribe now
You'll find plenty more of the same on this channel!
Quite a collection of antiques doing what appeared to be a Red Bull Rampage-esque event. Nice bikes too.
We basically invented Red Bull Rampage in about 1990. We had 3 house bricks and a plastic bucket for jumps and did some rad skids too.
@@red_dread We used to jump on mostly 4 to 5 'bricker' ramps but stopped when a guy did a 13 bricker ramp and broke his ankle when he came down from the stratosphere!
A couple of lads had a Mongoose each and used them properly - we were all jealous!
@@computerbob06 I started out on a BMX - a good one in fact (Puch Magnum) - but I don't think it ever left the ground.
Looks like a great time was had by all. Cheers 🍻
Any time you fancy a ride out! By the way, looks like your Fat Chance is up against Dan's in this month's BotM, plus some other unusually stiff competition. I shall watch the outcomes with interest...
@@red_dread I hope you decide to remove the Sworks from the trash bin and prep it for BoTM one of these days. Dan's bike is beautiful. I love that blue fade but don't tell him that. If he asks it's awful and he should pull out of the competition. And if I ever do find myself in England I probably will fancy a ride. I expect something exceptional from Dr. Frankenstein's lair.
@@lancehatch4475 I don't think that S-Works would be worthy of a BoTM any time soon - but I do think it will make a fun video one day to look more closely at just how many things are wrong with it. The list is actually quite long, not least the fact it's way too small for me and I feel like a circus bear on a unicycle trying to ride the thing.
I’ve got a ‘90’s Klein Adroit that I absolutely love, full XTR and a blast to ride. Still fast to this day, purposely overbuilt and made to last.
Is it early 90s or post-Trek? Either way that's a fancy bike, but if it's one of the early ones then it's priceless!
I love retro mtv🎉
My daily rider is a 1991 Costco MTB. It has "full" Chrome Molly frame, and came with all Deore XT fitting, and top of the line rims and tires. Got it for about $600 back then. The only thing comparable was some top of the line Giants and I believe Cannondales. Made in Taiwan, so it was probably a Giant anyway.
I've never seen the Costco brand on an MTB before. Would love to see it, any pics online?
Just found your vids of it!
G O A T
Fabulous - wish I'd been able to make it
You were sorely missed, and roundly cursed. I do wonder what sort of monstrosity you would have ridden on the day - certainly would have ruffled the scrutineers' feathers.
Codgers n cogs lol, where do i sign up as i fully qualify 😅 great video lads
My 1991 Koga Miyata SkyCarbolite is still in use ❤
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that strange roller attachment is the force 40 .my friend rode the m600 .then the alpinestars estay .
Missed out buying a used Canyon Snail M2000 a few years ago when a neighbor across the street was selling his old stuff. KICKS SELF!!! Full XT with appropriate Ritchey Logic. 100% stock. Such a shame to miss a golden opportunity for a true wonder machine from '91.
Ugh, these kind of stories torment me! On the other hand, I'm glad to hear that garage sale gems do still occur from time to time, so I can still believe that one day it might be my turn.
@@red_dread thanks. Coulda, woulda, shoulda picked up a used Adroit or Attitude in the 00's when they could be found for a reasonable price.
How many garage sales does it take to find a gem these days for a reasonable price? I'm thinking a LOT!
A guy I know stumbled across a PRISTINE Teledyne at a garage sale. Woman was selling her late son's bike for $80 (sad story). This guy bought it for general riding in SF, completely clueless to its history and value.
He was quickly educated by my old LBS boss and he had it lovingly restored and hung it on his wall. No longer the street beater! He's now a true bike fanatic and rides all sorts of stuff. The Teledyne is preserved! THE LUCKY BASTARD!!!!
I have a mint 1992 Palisades Trail and 1998 Porsche Bike S. I sold a never built Alpinestars Cromega LX 1992 frame 3 years ago, the guy hired a small van and drove 200miles to collect it. I've a Cromega DX frame in the garage still.
I think the Alpinestars was one of my most desired bikes back in the day - they were all over the magazines but I never saw one in real life.
Golden.
Bravo
Always overtly happy to see your videos. But how, HOW did you not pay any mention to either the Ritchey Logic crankset or brake levers on that lovely Cannondale?!?!
There was a lot of rare and exotic kit that didn't make the cut! It was hard to see the wood for the trees with this lot.
I don't think that your Dynatech is the ugliest...in my opinion that bike looks better than some in this video (They are all phenomenal btw).
It's certainly the cheapest and most ordinary, but it was also the fastest!
CANNONDALE ， KHS Titanium Good 😀👍🏾
Ah the golden age of MTB'ing, not this modern stuff where your friends upload the video to tiktok of you launching yourself off a 6ft drop at 30mph, screaming in agony from the two broken collarbones you just self inflicted.
We did attempt some big drop-offs back in the day but thankfully there weren't phone cameras at the time. One of these riders pretty much folded his Dyna-Tech in half when we were kids, his dad was not happy. Nowadays these lovely bikes seldom if ever leave the ground.
The new Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge tires would look great on your S-Works!
Those Rene Herse tyres do look nice, but I'm a big fan of the Terra Ones I have on several of my retro builds. They're the same ones on the Dyna Tech I rode in this video, and they're amazingly supple and grippy.
Great video mate.....this episode ended rather quickly. Must have more.
It ended quickly because as you can see from my tired morning face at the end, I was worn out from the riding! Of course there's more - each of these boys has a huge collection which I'm gradually persuading them to share with the world. Especially the guy with the Marin. He has enough hidden away to melt the internet.
@@red_dread 🤣 melt the Internet..... Nice one
seeing all those long stems really makes my neck hurt
Same. Those bikes were built as instruments of pain. When we were kids the longer the stem and seatpost the more of a bad ass you were.
Your timidity on the descent indicates the advanced age of both bike and rider.
Their timidity perhaps. I went like a racing snake.
@@red_dreadbrilliant! I’m addicted to your channel, in part due to your witty commentary. You never disappoint.
Great to see these bikes.
Still riding my (sorry to say in such esteemed company) Carrera Quattro from '88/'89, but getting a little nervous on 33 yr old tyres! Where do you get 26" tan wall tyres from?
I'm pleased to say there's an answer to that: Ride Terra One. I found this guy on Instagram who is manufacturing brand new 26" tanwalls in retro style, but the quality and technology is bang up to date. They're amazing - super grippy, supple and smooth rolling, I have them on a lot of my retro builds.
Yeah excellent group of early mountain bikes, think my favorite is the Cannondale aluminum frame, though I am more of a chromoly old school guy
The Cannondale is indeed something very special. Especially when you remember how ahead of its time it was. And of course the finish is beautiful.
I love the Cannondale. It looks so smooth, sleek, flawless. Never seen that front brake setup before though!
Looks like a nice ride out!
It's a rare treat to actually ride these things! Yes, the Cannondale was something we'd all seen in '91 and considered other-worldly with its fat tubes and linear fade paint. The brake setup was a nightmare and made its owner very frustrated indeed. We worked out that if you use a fatter, braided straddle cable it bites into the brass pulley and activates the cam system, but if not then it just slips and feels spongy and imprecise. We experienced a lot of the latter... But it looked the shiznit, which is all that matters.
Another great you tube channel monkey shed
Shred*
I'm skipping through review started around end.. disqualified the best bike because of a rusty bolt? Wtf
@@RH-nc8uu it's supposed to be satirical lmao
the alpinestars are so rare I was only able to find two fotos on the internet which one of them is mine (Alpinestars CR D100)
Yes, I've always wanted one but you very seldom see them around. So cool, and the one in this video is particularly stunning.
I have one for sale on pink bike, includes retro jersey and gloves, bargain price if want to drive to Dorset.
If the owner of that Pace is in the market for a left knakker I’ve got one to trade for it !
I doubt he would be interested in that transaction but I'll pass on the offer.
Not quite in this league lol, but anyone know what the likely sale value of a 1989/90 Raleigh mirage lightweight special edition would be? (531 tubing, elliptical chainset, toe clips, shimano sti button gear shifts.) very much used and loved BITD and some cosmetic damage to decals but all in good sound condition. Low mileage.
This is basically my childhood dreams in one youtube video
Me too. I couldn't have hoped to get near any of these bikes when I was a kid!
@@red_dread Yeah most of these bikes I never even saw in person. They were like unicorns.
Same here, save for no Kleins to drool over. Oh and maybe a Ritchey. But my true love is the Commando, and it predates these by about five years. Or is it the Klein? Can't decide!
I had the same al mega way back no suspension but loved it
I would have killed for one back in the day! They look amazing
@@red_dread I saved for a year doing all types of jobs to get £300 and my old man gave me £150 and my Mar did then went to the only shop in Manchester I knew sold them I paid extra for onza porcupine tyres and deore xt running gear it was mint did a trade in with it for a klien attitude in lime and dark green I flogged that 8 years ago for 13k to a guy in Spain
I came to this video for the e stay frame in the thumbnail but it wasn't featured 😢
Its owner decided it was just too nice to take out and ride! Personally I'd have loved to see that thing in action too.
Just put on a road bike handlebar and you would have the gravel with triple chainring and slowly wearing drivetrain.
It is funny how gravel bikes are evolving into 30-yr-old MTBs! I still think they're a great idea though - unlike an old MTB they benefit from the bigger wheel diameters which makes a huge difference in mixed-terrain riding.
Wow red-dread you a wonderful collection of vintages mountains bikes, I can sell you mine vintage specialized ultimate bike for your collection 😀
i dont see any GT..... nice video beutiful bikes....
You're right, GT is a massive gap in my collection so far - what I wouldn't give for an early Zaskar or even a Xizang!
I have a xizang now, un barcelona for sale, total recomend buy one, or RTS world champion... zaskat even icon bike... i joking whit my word, you have a very nice colection @@red_dread
I didn’t know they did pinch bolts without rust 🤔
Ha ha, I've yet to see one.
I believe that pulley style brake system was Cannondales Force 40. It was supposed to increase the braking force by 40%. And yes they were very annoying to set up.
We worked out that if you use a thicker, braided straddle cable then it bites into the brass pulley and activates the cam action. With a standard Shimano straddle cable it's useless and makes the brakes far less effective!
@@red_dread V brakes were still better and much easier. Lol
V brakes are so much better in every way! But they weren't invented when we were developing our childhood obsession, so zero nostalgia points.
@@red_dread I agree. I actually love setting up cantilever brakes for some reason. Lol
No, the pulley predates the Force 40. Cannondale "perfected" it with the Force 40 cam-with-cinch-bolt monstrosity. But same stupid idea!!!
We used to use those old shimano servo wave levers with Vbrakes . I disliked the original lx levers and could not afford the XT ones so the old ones worked pretty good.
We were always advised to avoid using canti brake levers with V brakes and vice versa because of incompatible pull ratios, but if you had the skills you could make it work.
@@red_dread I hear ya but the servo wave is the same mechanism as a v lever, pulls a lot then a little at the end. They worked, just as a dia Compe pc 8 versa would if you removed the lil rubber bumper
@@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind The Shimano V-brake levers (XT and XTR), actually had a slot in them, with a roller bearing at the end of the cable that fit in the slot. The slot was about 8mm long (I just measured mine), and positioned in a way with one end of the slot being closer to the lever pivot point. When you pulled the lever, the roller bearing at the end of the cable would be at the far end of the slot (more cable throw to the long v-brake arms). When the pads hit the rim, the roller bearing would roll the cable end to the other end of the slot, (closer to the lever pivot point), and increase the mechanical advantage to the pad/rim pressure.
Those suckers are smooth and powerful. Probably compare to some disk brakes for power. All cheap department store bikes have v-brakes on them now in the states, but do not have the slot in the levers.
I'd vote for the Marin but for the decal placement. Cannondale 2nd, Yo Eddy 3rd for exactly the same reason you gave...it's unrideable
There was fierce debate over the dinner table. So many more bikes still locked away too. The Yo Eddy is the one I'd hang on my wall, the Raleigh is the only one that went fast!
Marin pronounced as in Marin County where they originated.
DX was the second from top groupset at the time that Alpinestars was new. You sausage!
DX was below XT. No XTR at this time. A couple of years to go before that would arrive….
Have you been watching those traveller bareknuckle fighting videos? It amuses me how they always call each other sausages, and it delights me that this has proliferated to my channel. I know what DX is. In the era when XT was industry standard, and we craved Mavic Mountain, Campag Record OR and Suntour XC-Pro, DX was by comparison a very ordinary, workaday groupset. Certainly nothing to excite a cartel of elite aesthetes. The winning bike, however (my Dyna-Tech) has DX hubs, chainset, cassette and derailleurs. Can't fault it.
Any of them bikes Shogun Metro AT what I need is a rear derailleur 21 speed
It's the Cannondale for me, then the Marin. It's good to see these things out in the wild, where was this? The bars look so narrow compared to nowadays.
Yorkshire Dales, above Grinton. Lots of pretty bikes but only one went fast, and that was my battered Raleigh.
@@red_dread Now you have wrecked the paint on those Pace forks, looks like you are forced to do a proper respray.
The paint on that fork was never anything but wrecked. A proper job is an inevitability. Might even get them re-chromed!
3.26.let’s damage the paint some more
titanium mmmmmm
That looks like the Cannondale H200
I would love an “H” of that vintage. Yes, it was very similar in colour scheme but was a hybrid rather than a MTB. The main difference was 700c wheels, what a great city bike that would be. I’ve never seen one IRL.
@@red_dread okay gotcha. I got one restored! It's an awesome city bike for sure. I cant stop riding it around. It feels like an old smooth Cadillac. It takes all the city bumps, turns and hills so well. But your Cannondale sure is puurty.
Keine GT BIKE 😔
Stick that shh in the bin, lool
Where it belongs.
@@red_dread you failed 1 on a rusty brake bolt...shame on you...lol
Drrrrrooooooool............ Oh my goodness, retro MTB porn. Where in the Dales were you?
Based at Grinton Lodge, some amazing trails around there. Hard going on these old bedsteads though.
@@red_dread Had to look on the map 😄. I don't know the area around Richmond but I did live at Kettlewell for a few years. It's so stunning up there. I miss the hills, mountains (Snowdonia) and the greenery. Stuck in Spain as a house husband with too much time on my hands. That's enough of my moaning. Great video. 👍
youre judgement is silly titanium should always win unless the the other bikes are dripping withe ringle use and xlite in a colour coordinated style .cromo alu or carbon just are not in the same league as titanium .
Titanium did win. My Dyna-Tech is made of the cheapest, nastiest Russian titanium and it went the fastest because it had me riding it. The Marin had to go in the skip because it had a rusty brake bolt. Rules are rules.
@red_dread fairplay i had the peak (a few down from the dyna tech )i would like to buy another merlin tiaga but they are crazy money now.and im a lazy sod that rides electric so it would justbe an ornament 😂
@@lee-tx5mw The Peak is a class bike! With the Flexstem? I have a Yukon, which was the orange/yellow entry level model from the same range. Mine was a street rescue which had been almost stripped bare by thieves plus a few winters chained to a lamppost, but I've got it looking and running nicely now. You can see it on this channel, it's the one I put the Hite-Rite and Flexstem on.
@red_dread theres nothing like rescuing a bike and rebuilding it . i loved my peak ive had so many bikes over the years .the girvin flexstem was a wicked piece of kit for a rigid bike .these days i tendto ride full suspension bikes a lot .i have got a commencal supreme v1 superteam .and and an old voodoo canzoo with electric kits on them .but i would liketo collect and rebuild every bike ive ever owned .and fill a garage with them all .i have a lot of electric bikes atm
Next time I'll loan you my 1984 stumpjumper, gawd knows it's the fastest when thrown from a cliff in a race to the bottom.. 🥲
If it’s a gravity race you want, surely it’s a case of which rider has eaten the most cakes and pies? I tend to win.