@@torqueofthedevil8145 They really wouldn't. That's not how language works. The Oris presented is roughly 21% of yearly adjusted income per capita (as per the Wold Bank), and should be considered luxury/premium by any reasonable metric. And if you're inclined to delve into the realm of semantics, then any watch at all is technically "luxury", going by the MW or Cam. Dic. definitions.
@O.o LOL A billionaire maybe does not interested in watches, but you can be sure he's interested in other luxury items (planes, cars etc.) Even Bill Gates, who is an example of cheap watch billionare, owns multi hundred millions worth mansions. It comes down to what you want to spend your money. And 43k is not considered as top, when it comes to horology.
@@danlightened firstable a skeleton watch hasnt has to be expensive, its just a mechanical movement with a transparent dial, secondly the term skeleton has been a major marketing strategy from the swiss, we, for decades were amazed by the skeletonized beauty but just trow a seiko nh35 with a proper dial and youre pretty much set.
Me “Mom can I have a Oris skeleton watch for Christmas?” Mom: “No son you will be happy with what you get.” Me: “BuT mOm ItS A MeRe FiFtEeN HuNdReD PoUnDs!?!”
they hypnotize me with how amazing they look...all those tiny components in the watch all moving in sync and being able to see all the details is mind boggling ! skeleton watches are my favorite !that AP is so sick,,
Exactly. I have 2 skeleton watches. A cheapo forsining watch that basically showed up in my mailbox out of nowhere (didn't even order it), and an invicta. Hard to tell the time on the cheapo as it only has hour markers at 12, 3, 6, and 9 positions in roman numerals. Very beautiful movements though
Cyril Fo it’s a timeless classic just because of fashion and “fame” created artificially by a 5 minutes drawing. Think about how AP has been dragged by the fame of that 1 design for basically 50 years. Then, revolution! The new Code 11.59. Except it’s an incredible anonymous design, which has already been forgotten 😂
Evidently the royal oak has a better finishing in the closer look, but for the price, the Oris has also a great appeareance. Just a worthy pocket could get this differences.
Very true. And that goes for almost everything in this day and age. People buy cheap products that will end up in the dump, yet our ancestors bought things and kept them for decades.
@@davec8153 £1500 is not cheap, to most people. The price might be cheap to those, who have plenty of money, but to someone, on a low to average wage and who likes watches, £1500 can just about be unaffordable.
Never understood the 'wormwood' look to cheap skeleton watches. This goes for the $40 - $2000 (perhaps a bit more) range. It looks infinitely better leaving the bridges left brushed or engine turned than the bizarre assortment of random squiggly lines. I have two, including a vintage caravelle and it makes them look exactly as this video describes...cheap.
I got that Oris at first glance at jewellery store display for full retail price. Every time I check time I’ll stare at movement for couple of seconds , there were some instances mates use to ask me why I’m staring at watch , the watch aficionados understood but the hip iwatch gang makes fun of me.
The amusing thing is I did know which was more expensive, and would still prefer the cheaper one if we were strictly going by appearance. Far nicer design to me
its relativistic, he's not saying 1500 pounds is not a lot of money but rather that in the grand scheme of skelotonised mechanical watches it is a relatively small amount.
I forgot to add I do love my Oris watches mainly divers however. And I have a AP Royal Oak offshore divers Chrono. Which needs a simple repair ATM. But great watches. Here is where mechanical watches sometimes make very little sense. Take a Swiss mechanical like a Hamilton or Tissot, or even many Oris watches. Then when they need a service you will have to prepare to pay a rather ridiculous amount which sometimes is more than what the watch costs. So you end up like me and you purchase every single watch tool you can and you learn. Now I service many of my own watches that costs less than $2000.00 . When a Chronograph service costs at minimum $750.00 then you will understand why it makes more sense to buy the tools and a bunch of cheap watches to learn. So if you decide to get into a Swiss mechanical then understand that comes with maintenance costs later.
I know most of the artistry that goes into creating these things are lost on a plebe like me. But it's like any art form, there will always be those works of art in which the greatness or skill required to create an effect, whether on canvas, in music or a bit of metal, aren't immediately apparent to the eye. But when you see it, you get it. Some really beautiful photography in this too. Thank you.
You can very plainly see the difference in quality with the machining marks left over from the Oris CNC machines. They didn't bother to go back in and polish everything out by hand, so there are little burrs and chaff sitting in some of the engraved grooves. From a distance it looks great but... a machinist can tell.
I know nothing about watches, but always loved the meticulous craftsmanship. When that hand crafted one came up on my screen, I felt a bit of an aura coming off of it. It was beautiful!
I thought I would say that AP isn't worth the mentioned amount after I watch this video, but... what a watch. Not only for the points mentioned in the video, but also for basic design cues: golden colour is used for both arrows, for legibility, and then for the front balance, to draw attention to it. Amazing piece of art. I wonder how they combine the balances oscillations, is there some complicated pallets setup?
I think that only one has impulse jewel, the other one is there for added stability. Springs have different modules of elasticity in different direction, when spring is deformed it heats up slightly
At time stamp circa 4:00 think of a WWII pursuit P-38 Lightning aircraft with counter-rotating propellers. The plane had minimal "P factor" i.e. left-turning tendency at high climb angles. Because each propeller turned in opposite directions, the pilot didn't need to worry about the torque of the engines pulling the plane to the left as in other twin-engine aircraft.
Swatch makes an irony uncle Charlie that's basically the oris. I believe the ETA based movement even share origins. I got mine for around $150 not bad for a swiss skeleton
I have a few skeleton watches, with the most costing $40. I love them, skeletons don’t have to be expensive like people in the comments making them out to be, it’s just a watch without a face
The actual issue here imho is that most mechanical watches are the same, and are much more identical inside than say quartz ones which can differ massively inside depending on how it is soldered and the shape of the crystal. The AP is nice to look at because it breaks the mold and has a more unique interesting movement inside.
Great video! I came here after watching the Modern Male TV video on the Rotary G3. They compared it to the Oris Skeleton and I was curious, and it's actually a pretty fair comparison for the price based on aesthetic alone.
I know first hand the complexity of hand made. I hold most anything made by hand above machine made. Hand made and hand finished are always a cut above. Its as if a part of the person is transfered into the work which makes it one off unique. I have and do hand make a few things and i have been fortunate to have been able to barter and trade for other persons work.
I totally understand what you try to deliver. And I appreciate the afford they put in. I worked in production and am swiss. Not at the watch maker busines though. If I would seek for precission I would by a digital watch, that is also easier to read. I never liked analog! I am planing now to buy one just for fun for about 30$. If thats crap, so be it.
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"A mere £1500..."
I'm such a peasant...
Haha your a poor person! *Insert silent tears here because I am also poor as heck
Change that
Aizuddin Fahmi he has a 40k dollar watch in his other hand
Rob2x r/whoooooooooooooooooooooosh
Ah, trying to feel rich with my hamilton jazzmaster with open heart, pfffff.
1500$ called cheap. Cries in Tissot
Agreed
I cry in seiko 5
laughs in tears in G-Shock and Seiko 5
Well, at least it's not a $100 Seiko.
in usa, 1 month mc doanlds worker salary
“I can barely concentrate long enough to finish this senten...” Well played, sir. Well played.
Its called a pro gamer move...
Was that a Kanye reference right there?
1000IQ play here
Vini Van Gogh had to replay that part to make sure I heard correctly.
Really pushing the boundary on the definition of ‘cheap’ in this title
I expected a max 100 euro watch...
Pfff Comes with an Oris...
To most, that Oris would be considered an expensive, luxury watch.
Mitchell ‘most’ would be wrong then.
@@torqueofthedevil8145 They really wouldn't. That's not how language works. The Oris presented is roughly 21% of yearly adjusted income per capita (as per the Wold Bank), and should be considered luxury/premium by any reasonable metric. And if you're inclined to delve into the realm of semantics, then any watch at all is technically "luxury", going by the MW or Cam. Dic. definitions.
@O.o LOL A billionaire maybe does not interested in watches, but you can be sure he's interested in other luxury items (planes, cars etc.) Even Bill Gates, who is an example of cheap watch billionare, owns multi hundred millions worth mansions. It comes down to what you want to spend your money. And 43k is not considered as top, when it comes to horology.
I'd like to see this done with a truly cheap $250 Skeleton vs the $1500 Skeleton Oris.
Send me a skeleton AP and I’ll compare it to an Amazon homage skeleton AP 😂😂
$250 isn’t cheap!!!
Pioneer used to have one that fit your requirements
I have 25$ skeleton watch!
*with cheap I was expecting something like a 50 bucks starking chinese skeleton*
Daniel Orozco and battery operated 😜
I have them bro noob n other reps. swksh123@gmail.com for info
most chinese workers died from wuhan virus... i dont think u can buy them anymore
How are those Chinese skeleton watches so cheap?
@@danlightened firstable a skeleton watch hasnt has to be expensive, its just a mechanical movement with a transparent dial, secondly the term skeleton has been a major marketing strategy from the swiss, we, for decades were amazed by the skeletonized beauty but just trow a seiko nh35 with a proper dial and youre pretty much set.
Me “Mom can I have a Oris skeleton watch for Christmas?” Mom: “No son you will be happy with what you get.” Me: “BuT mOm ItS A MeRe FiFtEeN HuNdReD PoUnDs!?!”
Skeleton watches are really awful to look at the time. Every single time you try you will end up hypnotized by the machinery
Lol u right
Well you don't need a watch to tell time anymore. They are pretty much jewelry.
Imagine owning the Jacob Co Astronomia. I‘d probably not even leave the house anymore. Sorry, I am staring at my watch all day :-)
they hypnotize me with how amazing they look...all those tiny components in the watch all moving in sync and being able to see all the details is mind boggling ! skeleton watches are my favorite !that AP is so sick,,
Exactly. I have 2 skeleton watches. A cheapo forsining watch that basically showed up in my mailbox out of nowhere (didn't even order it), and an invicta. Hard to tell the time on the cheapo as it only has hour markers at 12, 3, 6, and 9 positions in roman numerals. Very beautiful movements though
I thought the cheap watch was gonna be one of those $20 chinese skeleton watches from eBay but this man is talking about a $1500 Oris as "cheap" lmao
£1500 ($ 1998.76 in today's money) not $1500
well if its 20 dollars i wouldnt plan on it functioning too long and microdetails probably suck azz
Sees cheap in title
Me: aww yeah lets cop one today
Watchfinder: 15hundred
Me: comments and leaves
lmaoooo deadass right? foh rich fuvks
Fr these guys are smokin crack rock lmao
remember that the royal oak's outside design was done in 5 minutes
And that it's a timeless classic
Cyril Fo it’s a timeless classic just because of fashion and “fame” created artificially by a 5 minutes drawing.
Think about how AP has been dragged by the fame of that 1 design for basically 50 years.
Then, revolution! The new Code 11.59.
Except it’s an incredible anonymous design, which has already been forgotten 😂
😹😹😹😹
That is the genius of Gerald Genta. It is one of the top 3 (probably) most iconic watches of all time. Genta single-handedly saved AP.
JmanAndMari115 AP saved horology. Don’t hate, appreciate.
Found this channel recently and damn, it’s becoming my new guilty pleasure
I have that Oris and every time I wear it I can't stop looking at it.
Oris offers a lot of quality for the money. Enjoy. ;-)
@@oxysoxos Thank you! I got it a a graduation present, and it's awesome! Definitely a head turner in person.
They're just comparing it to the best in the industry. The Oris is amazing at that price.
It is my favorite
I own one, too. It is a thing of beauty and always sparks comments and questions!
I’ve watched this video three times and still haven’t seen the cheap watch. Maybe if I watch at half speed?
Evidently the royal oak has a better finishing in the closer look, but for the price, the Oris has also a great appeareance. Just a worthy pocket could get this differences.
You always has an option of replicas
It's a good day when watchfinder releases a new video.
Great video as always, but I feel compelled to say that an Oris hardly qualifies as a 'cheap watch'
It's a cheap watch. People are just too accustomed to buying disposable, landfill watches.
Very true. And that goes for almost everything in this day and age. People buy cheap products that will end up in the dump, yet our ancestors bought things and kept them for decades.
@@davec8153 £1500 is not cheap, to most people. The price might be cheap to those, who have plenty of money, but to someone, on a low to average wage and who likes watches, £1500 can just about be unaffordable.
I agree, this is more than a years earnings for many of us.
@@davec8153 what a toxic snob
This makes me appreciate even more the art and craft of watchmaking
I like the overall look of the Oris better from a distance; it’s much more wearable IMHO, but up close the Audemars is astounding...Wow!
Both beautiful watches at different tiers, of course. That AP is sickly beautiful.
Those hands and indices are gorgeous! Somehow this is the first Royal Oak I've seen that really does it for me.
AP is amazing. Especially the balance bridge. Is pleasant to see the gyromax balance works!
Would you consider creating an episode about the tools a watchmaker uses to finish those tiny parts and the training required to master those tools?
Well, based on all other very informative videos you've made, yes, thanks to you now I can actually tell :D
...the magnificient macro filming reveals pitylessly the differences in quality...
It's crazy how good the AP looks under the macro lens.
Quality of these videos and his script is amazing
Thank you for this informative video, I would love to see a comparison between this AP and the GP laureato skeleton.
Ahmed Helmi *laureato
Never understood the 'wormwood' look to cheap skeleton watches. This goes for the $40 - $2000 (perhaps a bit more) range.
It looks infinitely better leaving the bridges left brushed or engine turned than the bizarre assortment of random squiggly lines.
I have two, including a vintage caravelle and it makes them look exactly as this video describes...cheap.
That AP though!!! Work of ART!
Hello hands! Could and would you do a review on a Baume & Mercier? I would love to learn more about the brand. Thanks in advance
The Oris would look a hundred times better without those silly pseudo-floral laser cut patterns and chemically blued screws. They make it look cheap.
I got that Oris at first glance at jewellery store display for full retail price. Every time I check time I’ll stare at movement for couple of seconds , there were some instances mates use to ask me why I’m staring at watch , the watch aficionados understood but the hip iwatch gang makes fun of me.
If handcrafting is so tedious and so prone to mistake than it is only right to automate the job.
Good stuff as usual. Should be great to make a handmade comparison between 45k AP vs 7k GS
I saw and advert for a skeleton watch and now I’m fascinated and have found a new passion for them
That Oris was on sale in Costco for $1250 so £1000 few months ago. Wish i had bought it
Go for the replica AP like me. It's $170 and strong and good.
The amusing thing is I did know which was more expensive, and would still prefer the cheaper one if we were strictly going by appearance.
Far nicer design to me
That Openworked Royal Oak makes even the most experienced AP collectors 🤤. It’s beautiful
"A mere 1500 pounds" man, how rich do you have to be to say that?? 😱
its relativistic, he's not saying 1500 pounds is not a lot of money but rather that in the grand scheme of skelotonised mechanical watches it is a relatively small amount.
@@saniwada ooh, that does make sense. Thanks buddy!
Yeah, 1500 is considered to be on the lower end/entry level of real watchmaking. As far as good watches go, $1500 is, in fact, "mere".
It's certainly mere if you're trying to buy anything from watchfinder
Ur just broke lol
I love your videos. They are intelligent, funny, thought provoking, philosophical, passionate and educational.
I forgot to add I do love my Oris watches mainly divers however. And I have a AP Royal Oak offshore divers Chrono. Which needs a simple repair ATM. But great watches.
Here is where mechanical watches sometimes make very little sense.
Take a Swiss mechanical like a Hamilton or Tissot, or even many Oris watches. Then when they need a service you will have to prepare to pay a rather ridiculous amount which sometimes is more than what the watch costs. So you end up like me and you purchase every single watch tool you can and you learn. Now I service many of my own watches that costs less than $2000.00 . When a Chronograph service costs at minimum $750.00 then you will understand why it makes more sense to buy the tools and a bunch of cheap watches to learn.
So if you decide to get into a Swiss mechanical then understand that comes with maintenance costs later.
I know most of the artistry that goes into creating these things are lost on a plebe like me. But it's like any art form, there will always be those works of art in which the greatness or skill required to create an effect, whether on canvas, in music or a bit of metal, aren't immediately apparent to the eye. But when you see it, you get it. Some really beautiful photography in this too. Thank you.
I love watching these videos. Never was into watches but these videos are almost lyrical and very soothing!
Should of had the Swatch sistem 51 as the third bargain skeletonised watch
Those engraved decorations in the Oris seem to be there just to fill the empty spaces
Another great video and chuckled at your inability to finish your sent.
And now I think I’m falling for the Oris!
You can very plainly see the difference in quality with the machining marks left over from the Oris CNC machines. They didn't bother to go back in and polish everything out by hand, so there are little burrs and chaff sitting in some of the engraved grooves. From a distance it looks great but... a machinist can tell.
That machined engraving on the Oris really doesnt fit in with the overall modern aesthetic
That’s a fantastic watch review, it explains so much, making easy to see the difference, thank you !
I know nothing about watches, but always loved the meticulous craftsmanship. When that hand crafted one came up on my screen, I felt a bit of an aura coming off of it. It was beautiful!
Ignoring the market price, the Oris is actually the one I prefer on my wrist.
I will always hate the fake hexagonal flathead screws..
£1500 is cheap???? Damn!
I thought I would say that AP isn't worth the mentioned amount after I watch this video, but... what a watch. Not only for the points mentioned in the video, but also for basic design cues: golden colour is used for both arrows, for legibility, and then for the front balance, to draw attention to it. Amazing piece of art.
I wonder how they combine the balances oscillations, is there some complicated pallets setup?
I think that only one has impulse jewel, the other one is there for added stability. Springs have different modules of elasticity in different direction, when spring is deformed it heats up slightly
Night and day. That AP is next level!!
At time stamp circa 4:00 think of a WWII pursuit P-38 Lightning aircraft with counter-rotating propellers. The plane had minimal "P factor" i.e. left-turning tendency at high climb angles. Because each propeller turned in opposite directions, the pilot didn't need to worry about the torque of the engines pulling the plane to the left as in other twin-engine aircraft.
The one with the octagonal bezel is the expensive one.
Youre a true genius...
@@vincent5 *you're
@@jeanraspail2979 i dont have the time to type this shit...
@@vincent5 No time and attention for detail, yes? The Oris for you then.
@@jeanraspail2979 i dont think you can compare that, but OK😉
Wow this channel is gold if every video is like this
Swatch makes an irony uncle Charlie that's basically the oris. I believe the ETA based movement even share origins. I got mine for around $150 not bad for a swiss skeleton
In which country is £1500 cheap?
That watch on the right is the ap skeleton - my dream watch
That AP is absolutely stunning
I love hand craftsmanship, but robots are awesome honestly. I def can appreciate the precision of machines, especially at a price that's affordable
Wow. Another incredible video and analysis.
Another great video. Your appreciation of the hand work is laudable and well-delivered with depth and understanding of the skill and task involved.
I enjoyed this video immensely! Thanks!
6:39 mirror finish is quite easy to obtain, you just have to polish a piece of metal during 3-4 minutes and it’s done…
Awesome video even though I didnt quite watch it to the last seco...
I appreciate the handy work, but that oris is such a serious scheleton
I have a few skeleton watches, with the most costing $40. I love them, skeletons don’t have to be expensive like people in the comments making them out to be, it’s just a watch without a face
Yes, the AP is truly a work of art.
I want a skeleton Grand Seiko spring drive model....
The actual issue here imho is that most mechanical watches are the same, and are much more identical inside than say quartz ones which can differ massively inside depending on how it is soldered and the shape of the crystal. The AP is nice to look at because it breaks the mold and has a more unique interesting movement inside.
i really like my 200 bucks festina automatic skeleton ( basic miyota movement ) with a white and light blue dial
You made me fall in love with this Oris...
Great video! I came here after watching the Modern Male TV video on the Rotary G3. They compared it to the Oris Skeleton and I was curious, and it's actually a pretty fair comparison for the price based on aesthetic alone.
I didn't expect to enjoy that but I did.
Did he really say :
"I can berely concentrate long enaugh to finish this senteN"? :D
I wish you would have included the Habring Benzinger minute repeater in the comparison.
I know first hand the complexity of hand made. I hold most anything made by hand above machine made. Hand made and hand finished are always a cut above. Its as if a part of the person is transfered into the work which makes it one off unique. I have and do hand make a few things and i have been fortunate to have been able to barter and trade for other persons work.
Well said. 👍
So you think the Oris is with the 4k they sell it for
Why not compare thse with a Seagull sk182m? Very interesting movement, less than 150 quid
Cheap??? 1500 like I know watches get stupidly expensive but to call this cheap is a far stretch
I totally understand what you try to deliver. And I appreciate the afford they put in.
I worked in production and am swiss. Not at the watch maker busines though.
If I would seek for precission I would by a digital watch, that is also easier to read. I never liked analog!
I am planing now to buy one just for fun for about 30$. If thats crap, so be it.
Compared with that Oris, I find my Chinese Seagull M190SK skeleton chronograph really shines.
🤩 amazing review. as always.
Impressive review. I joy watching.
I have Pierre Lannier and I'm happy with it
First time I’ve watched a “watchfinder” video since Andrew left.
I can't find anywhere in the UK which sells that ORIS for £1500?
The AP is bonkers. Truly incredible.
cant believe how rough the Oris looks close up. there are nicks and dings all over. still i love my aquis no the less.
That "engraving" on the Oris looks soooo bad
I got it and its quite good
If you compare with AP, almost all watches will look bad :)
@@antonioferreira2996 That's not necessarily true, Seikos are very inexpensive watches and have WAY better finishing that that Oris
Id still get that Oris if I could
Omg, that rotor on the Oris looks so out of place.
My thoughts exactly. Incredible value on a fantastic watch until you see that Oris lost their minds and decided to make it an automatic...
Love that last senten
Please do a video on one of these 28mm Lady datejusts. I really love how small they are.
Liked for that discreetly delivered punchline