My Amazon page! The gear I use here on the channel! - www.amazon.com/shop/metalcomplex Thanks so much for watching! You can support my channel on Patreon here - www.patreon.com/metalcomplex MC stickers! - www.redbubble.com/people/metal-complex/shop?asc=u
I never have, since it is the PERFECT description. The knife is growing on me though, especially for what its technical features are, but still not enough to spend that much money. I’d want to grind the blade into a smooth drop point from where the grind changes.
Nice list. I'm pretty new around here, but I'm not a collector. I buy everything to use, and I don't shy away from using expensive things in harsh ways. This has quickly become my go-to kniffle channel.
I'm gonna get the Miguron Arma but first i have to finish paying off the rest of the pre-order for my Varga VBR 3.7 when that invoice comes soon. Thanks for all you do M.C you're the Man 👍⚔️
My most carried from a new 2023 release is the mini pyrite. I was looking for a 5th pocket carry knife and it fits the bill perfect. I have carried it about everyday since I bought it. For $33 that I paid, it’s gotten a lot of pocket time. While it’s not the most exciting knife, it is a good one.
Man are you ON FIRE!!! Love your lists! Also gotta say, the We Solid is my new Grail knife! I think that is a working piece of art!! I think this is futuristic looking and I’m that guy!! Compare the to the ZT colaboration with GTC and this is so much nicer!!! Also, love the Kershaw Launch, sweet M4 steel and auto….. Saving up for one now, and I hate you for exposing me to this knife in the first place! With that said, my truly sincerest thank you because I am actually a budget knife guy for the most part.
To me, a guy who can only afford so many knives, the best value knife of 2023 was the Civivi Qubit. I know yours had drag and stick; mine had only stick, but after adjusting and a dab of oil, it's a fidget machine. And even before that it was a looker with near perfect ergos and ideal size for Every Day Carry, and with a 14C28N blade that is freakishly sharp. I also have to honorably mention the underdog the Civivi Amirite is. It's a hefty boy, but I just found the ergos of that knife go to eleven. Perhaps it's my hands only, but boy how I like to hold it and flip it. Qubit beats it, however, in terms of inconspicuousness. Because let's be honest, pulling the Amirite out in front of non-knife people WILL scare them.
Thanks for showing the Ciacadia knife . I really like it. As well as the Locust. I enjoy your shows on the weekend.with giveaways. Would love to see more women♡ come on all you WOMEN Knife lovers. Let's do this☆ Peace
Yo MC when are you gonna check out the new Demko Shark Cub? Thought you’d be all over that given how much you love the 20.5! I’m loving my ti slicer shark cub
Love the content truly do but my experience with that civivi fg is much different then yours blade play like an otf definitely still gonna carry my ad20.5
I think the MaxAce Black Mirror with the gold pocket clip looks really nice, tho I think the We/GTC Solid is more enticing. Also, when the micarta Civivi Vision FG arrived yesterday I did find the lock bar challenging to open, tho it was easy to flip open once disengaged. I also was frustrated that I couldn’t immediately flick or reverse flick the VFG open, but with some practice I’ve gotten those both pretty much down pat. Now I’m wondering if I wanna get a second one in Damascus or stonewashed to later customize with aluminum or titanium scales and have the micarta as a user. 😋
Just curious, I don’t care about it, but you often mention $75 as budget in your videos. Do you account for recent inflation when calling $75 knives budget? It seems a hard line to draw when very little falls under $75
No. And thats because we have companies like Miguron who are able to pump out absolute fire for well under that line. If I raise the threshold here, I'm basically saying "ya, go ahead and charge us more" when they clearly don't have to
@@metal_complex so I get it, but technically… that is simply not true. $75 in 2020 would be $88 in 2023. Steel costs more. Labour costs more. Unfortunately as consumers that means goods and services cost more. It’s not a scam, just the reality of current economic conditions
@@metal_complex like I said 🤣 I don’t care. Just curious. I got the plain G10 Vision FG from one of your first recommendations and it cost me around €100 which is well over $100, I still consider that a good price, even budget, so I guess it’s market dependent and a bit subjective at the end of the day.
I just bought the Vision Damascus. What do you guys think about the damascus steel? It it 10Cr15CoMov in core with 316 and 5Cr15Mov in layers. How does it compare to the nitro-v version?
I'm a stay at home cat dad, so i don't need any knives. Still, I'm so caught up in the Vision FG saga. Who's gonna love it next? Who's gonna trash it next?
Does the s35vn and carbon fiber vision still beat the black mirror when it becomes only a $10 difference? 150 for mirror and 138 for carbon fiber vision
Canadian also,,, and every once in a while I just have to get something premium, as opposed to just another budget something or other. To each his own.
@@Mxlch999oh, I get the 200, is alot of money, it's been 5 years since I "splurged" this much, so, I was due. And Canada, the people,, and the land, are a saving grace,,, in spite of "other things".
Nice Job! I have 6 of the 10 in my collection (7 if you include both the black mirror 1 and 2). The Goat is on my list to buy. I really lke those two budget Migeron, but I love to carry the Black Mirror and Satyr which both feel very high quality. I carried Vision FG a bit as well (I have 3 - Satin/Ulrem, Black/Green micarta, and Damascus with ivory G10).
The big Miguron is a bit to expensive for me. But i like the simple Kizer. I am also interresting with the large Petrified Fish. And the Winer for me is the Chaves Redention Dual Grind with the skull clip ..! ^:
Kershaw Iridium for me, I got the all-black one for $64, it is the best Gentleman's carry I've seen in a long time. Civivi blows. Broken two. And who puts a $300 knife on a 'best value' list?
The same guy who puts a $30 knife on a best value list. For some people, buying a Cessna is a value move. Value does not equal cheap. Value refers to expense relative to quality craftsmanship, materials, functioning, and location of manufacture.
I feel like I say it every time the Brat is mentioned. I love the Brat. Truly. But regarding integral G10 knives, Justin Lundquist released the Eidolon with WE Knives a long while before Kizer made the Brat.
The new loyalty to S90V is interesting. I understand it's probably that he's come to the light about this blade steel, but it's still not great in toughness and pretty difficult to sharpen.
It's still here. I have somewhere around 300 uploads on USA stuff and regularly say "if you can afford it and you want to support the USA, you should buy this" Chinese knives are cheaper for the end result. Some people have different preferences. I highlight quality regardless of geography. Period. Buy and support whatever you want to. That's all the power you have
It's a "value" video. "Made in USA" and "value" don't often go hand in hand. You'll find more American-made knives on the "best overall" or "favorite" lists, but not here. Also, I hope you're not equating "Chinese" with "junk", because that's just outdated thinking. They'll make anything you want at any quality you want as long as you're willing to pay. Unfortunately, they're willing to make garbage for pennies, so that's the reputation they've earned. However, they're perfectly capable of making knives that can go head to head with anything coming out of the US at the production level. I'll take something like a $300 Reate Mini Horizon over an hysterically overpriced $700+ Medford any day.
I appreciate the reply, but I’m not stating that they’re the same composition. Like I said above, the performance difference is just negligible in use. To say a knife is way better because it has one vs the other is silly. Both stainless. Same edge retention. 14c is slightly tougher but they’re both decently tough. Neither is great, both are fine
@@maybefrank8345forgive me, I'm gonna go with the actual metallurgist's opinion here. I mean nothing personal by it. Its just that he's a professional and I don't know anything about you.
Funny, you’d say that, since the article you linked helped me form my opinion. In performance, these steels are more similar than different. Just because you point to a scientific study doesn’t mean it actually backs your opinion. And being bored with something doesn’t make it bad. Although, since you’re a content creator, I could see why you would take that stance.
@@maybefrank8345look, whatever you want to think about this is fine with me. I think there's a big difference between these steels and you don't have to agree with me. I honestly don't care enough to try and convince you. Have a nice day
Ah a man of culture I see, akin to the battle pass in the hit video game Fortnite these knives are of extremely high value, and also like in Fortnite, the items up for offer are of very high quality, just like the peter griffin skin in Fortnite. You are one perceptive fellow.
My Amazon page! The gear I use here on the channel! - www.amazon.com/shop/metalcomplex
Thanks so much for watching! You can support my channel on Patreon here - www.patreon.com/metalcomplex
MC stickers! - www.redbubble.com/people/metal-complex/shop?asc=u
😊
Really have loved the Vision, and they know they have a hit and will keep making variations for awhile. Great stuff.
“Robot turd” 😂 will never unsee it
I never have, since it is the PERFECT description. The knife is growing on me though, especially for what its technical features are, but still not enough to spend that much money. I’d want to grind the blade into a smooth drop point from where the grind changes.
Same bro 😂
peepee yellow ultum
Nice list. I'm pretty new around here, but I'm not a collector. I buy everything to use, and I don't shy away from using expensive things in harsh ways. This has quickly become my go-to kniffle channel.
I have to agree with you completely about the Civivi Vision FG...it's an awesome knife, great value for the money!
I'm gonna get the Miguron Arma but first i have to finish paying off the rest of the pre-order for my Varga VBR 3.7 when that invoice comes soon. Thanks for all you do M.C you're the Man 👍⚔️
Thank you for doing this video. I asked a question pertaining to this subject last night during the livestream. Thank you.
Before even watching this video I already got my Civivi vision FG on order can’t wait to get it.
My most carried from a new 2023 release is the mini pyrite. I was looking for a 5th pocket carry knife and it fits the bill perfect. I have carried it about everyday since I bought it. For $33 that I paid, it’s gotten a lot of pocket time. While it’s not the most exciting knife, it is a good one.
Can't put my Ultem FG down. Great list too
Man are you ON FIRE!!! Love your lists!
Also gotta say, the We Solid is my new Grail knife! I think that is a working piece of art!! I think this is futuristic looking and I’m that guy!!
Compare the to the ZT colaboration with GTC and this is so much nicer!!!
Also, love the Kershaw Launch, sweet M4 steel and auto…..
Saving up for one now, and I hate you for exposing me to this knife in the first place! With that said, my truly sincerest thank you because I am actually a budget knife guy for the most part.
To me, a guy who can only afford so many knives, the best value knife of 2023 was the Civivi Qubit. I know yours had drag and stick; mine had only stick, but after adjusting and a dab of oil, it's a fidget machine. And even before that it was a looker with near perfect ergos and ideal size for Every Day Carry, and with a 14C28N blade that is freakishly sharp.
I also have to honorably mention the underdog the Civivi Amirite is. It's a hefty boy, but I just found the ergos of that knife go to eleven. Perhaps it's my hands only, but boy how I like to hold it and flip it. Qubit beats it, however, in terms of inconspicuousness. Because let's be honest, pulling the Amirite out in front of non-knife people WILL scare them.
The Vision FG is exciting. I think I'll get one next month. Wish Civivi had made it in 14C28N though, but Nitro-V's good to.
I just got my civivi vision fgthis year , amazing
Thanks for the information! You talked me into the Civivi Vision FG. Just bought it on Amz.
That Kershaw Launch is absolutely amazing, I need to get my hands on one!!
These are some amazing knives! The knife bug be biting again. Budget knives have come so far the last five years.
Thank you Metal Complex.I wish Civivi made an XL version The Vison FG,let's say a 4-4.25 inch blade.That would be awesome!!
Agreed.
My Miguron arrives today, I'm pumped!
Edit the Talism😂
Thanks for showing the Ciacadia knife . I really like it. As well as the Locust. I enjoy your shows on the weekend.with giveaways. Would love to see more women♡ come on all you WOMEN Knife lovers. Let's do this☆ Peace
Got the exact same Miguron Moyarl in my collection and I have to concur with your assessment.
Absolute wizard level 1000 picks. Ill rate these with a octopus tuesday high five surprise. Or something
Excellent list. Thanks MC
Gotta say I agree with your number one, I also own one of these in black blade and green micarta. In my pocket right now.
Yo MC when are you gonna check out the new Demko Shark Cub? Thought you’d be all over that given how much you love the 20.5!
I’m loving my ti slicer shark cub
That is a great list!
My collection is almost all Reate oem knives
Nice recap of the year. My Vision FG is arriving today. So pumped!
Great list MC! Got several of these based on your recommendations and they're awesome!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️👍🏻 your a 🐐. (Greatest of all time) thank you for the awesome content 👍🏻
Love the content truly do but my experience with that civivi fg is much different then yours blade play like an otf definitely still gonna carry my ad20.5
Good to know.
I may buy the vision fg even though I don't like the blade shape just because everything else about it is so awesome.
Nice job...thanks for sharing your vast knowledge of knives.
Thank you for watching!
Rike Tulay was the first G10 integral.
I think the MaxAce Black Mirror with the gold pocket clip looks really nice, tho I think the We/GTC Solid is more enticing.
Also, when the micarta Civivi Vision FG arrived yesterday I did find the lock bar challenging to open, tho it was easy to flip open once disengaged.
I also was frustrated that I couldn’t immediately flick or reverse flick the VFG open, but with some practice I’ve gotten those both pretty much down pat.
Now I’m wondering if I wanna get a second one in Damascus or stonewashed to later customize with aluminum or titanium scales and have the micarta as a user. 😋
Just curious, I don’t care about it, but you often mention $75 as budget in your videos. Do you account for recent inflation when calling $75 knives budget? It seems a hard line to draw when very little falls under $75
No. And thats because we have companies like Miguron who are able to pump out absolute fire for well under that line. If I raise the threshold here, I'm basically saying "ya, go ahead and charge us more" when they clearly don't have to
@@metal_complex so I get it, but technically… that is simply not true. $75 in 2020 would be $88 in 2023. Steel costs more. Labour costs more. Unfortunately as consumers that means goods and services cost more. It’s not a scam, just the reality of current economic conditions
@@RicardoLudekeya, na, I'm gonna keep it where it is here. Thanks though
@@metal_complex like I said 🤣 I don’t care. Just curious.
I got the plain G10 Vision FG from one of your first recommendations and it cost me around €100 which is well over $100, I still consider that a good price, even budget, so I guess it’s market dependent and a bit subjective at the end of the day.
@@metal_complexlove this
Where we draw our lines as purchasers is definitely part of what determines things like “market value”.
You just gave me my wish list. Happy Holidays.
Why wasn't the Kizer Mystic on this list? I'm between buying that, a Vision FG, a Black Mirror, or a Manix 2 in Rex 45.
I just bought the Vision Damascus. What do you guys think about the damascus steel? It it 10Cr15CoMov in core with 316 and 5Cr15Mov in layers. How does it compare to the nitro-v version?
Great list, I have 3 of them. Always nice to see
I always get a laugh at the sarcasm thrown in here and there lol. I love it 😅
I'm a stay at home cat dad, so i don't need any knives. Still, I'm so caught up in the Vision FG saga. Who's gonna love it next? Who's gonna trash it next?
Does the s35vn and carbon fiber vision still beat the black mirror when it becomes only a $10 difference? 150 for mirror and 138 for carbon fiber vision
Fällkniven PXLey in Elmax. One of my 3 best slicers, an incredible knife.
Only $330, what a steal
@@jessiethedude And worth every penny 🥰
Any considerations regarding the Civivi Vision FG blade quality/retention/performance of the damascus vs nitro-v versions?
Usually civivi Damascus is 9cr/10cr but not sure if it's the same on the vision
I heard on another video the core on the Damascus version is VG10 B. I’m a total noob, but I hope that tells you something.
As a canadian whenever i hear 100$+ US im out , cause a 150 US dollars = nearly 300$ canadian. Nonsense 😂
As an American, whenever I hear anything about Canada, my brain immediately goes “that has to suck”
Imperial system FTW.
Canadian also,,, and every once in a while I just have to get something premium, as opposed to just another budget something or other. To each his own.
@@rintintinman9223 i mean same , i got the vision FG but to me it wasnt "budget" was nearly 200$ for it
@@landontreinen3062 lmfaoooo there is a lot of things that do get on my nerves here in canada but theres sill good things aswell..
@@Mxlch999oh, I get the 200, is alot of money, it's been 5 years since I "splurged" this much, so, I was due. And Canada, the people,, and the land, are a saving grace,,, in spite of "other things".
No mention of the MSI and Stitch RAM-Lok?! Did you have a stroke?!
Nice Job! I have 6 of the 10 in my collection (7 if you include both the black mirror 1 and 2). The Goat is on my list to buy. I really lke those two budget Migeron, but I love to carry the Black Mirror and Satyr which both feel very high quality. I carried Vision FG a bit as well (I have 3 - Satin/Ulrem, Black/Green micarta, and Damascus with ivory G10).
The big Miguron is a bit to expensive for me. But i like the simple Kizer. I am also interresting with the large Petrified Fish. And the Winer for me is the Chaves Redention Dual Grind with the skull clip ..! ^:
Kershaw Iridium for me, I got the all-black one for $64, it is the best Gentleman's carry I've seen in a long time.
Civivi blows. Broken two. And who puts a $300 knife on a 'best value' list?
The same guy who puts a $30 knife on a best value list.
For some people, buying a Cessna is a value move.
Value does not equal cheap. Value refers to expense relative to quality craftsmanship, materials, functioning, and location of manufacture.
Love my Brat, but I stepped up to a Manix 2 and have been carrying her religiously ever since.
Vision FG, G-10 or Micarta?
You said "pee pee yellow" lol 🤣🤣🤣
Okay, when we look at the Complex Metal Channel, it's normal to see some complex metal knifes ..! ^^
More impressions of the neigh sayers and cold steel fans, please 🤓
Vision fg, hate the holes in the scales. Why?
Love my talism but the tip has some discoloration im assuming from the heat treatment but its amazing otherwise
9.4 on the slap
I feel like I say it every time the Brat is mentioned. I love the Brat. Truly.
But regarding integral G10 knives, Justin Lundquist released the Eidolon with WE Knives a long while before Kizer made the Brat.
Cool point.
My favorite is when he gets excited and his voice changes to a mickey mouse pitch 😂
The new loyalty to S90V is interesting. I understand it's probably that he's come to the light about this blade steel, but it's still not great in toughness and pretty difficult to sharpen.
Some indirect competition for the Arma would be the XL Sheepdog in Ti
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾thanks
Vision FG felt like a square block to me. Otherwise, cool knife.
I appreciate reading this impression.
What is it that everyone doesn't like about the kershaw iridium?
Hands down MSI n Stitch! Value- Praxis
I like the veratas.
MC, please make a piss emoji for the lives for when u do ur ceremonial bathroom break, and also please make a coleslaw emoji!
The last knifes scales start to crack around the screws
As a lefty would have bought the Goat if that clip flipped never understand that knife is ambidextrous but naah no clip for you!
Wrong the Rike Tuley is a G10 integral
I've gotten to the point if it doesn't have a 3.5 inch blade or more, I don't want it.
Uhhhhh, so the Buck 110 has no value???!?
❤❤❤❤lol
Myguron
Why does Kizer dislike lefties so much? So many models I want but not reversile clips.
Dude look up the definition of the Satyr. It is an interesting choice for a knife. lol.
8cr on the tenacious takes a SCREAMING edge and holds it 🤷🏻♂️
Pass
@@metal_complex I would too if I had your collection lol 154 and 14c28n is for sure my favorite but spyderco heat treat is 🔥
Unfortunately for the vision fg it comes in some of the ugliest combinations of materials and colors
We all know the Vision FG is #1
No time stamps
Can someone explain to me why all these Chinese knives are so popular? I mean what happened to Made in America pride ? Serious answer please.
It's still here. I have somewhere around 300 uploads on USA stuff and regularly say "if you can afford it and you want to support the USA, you should buy this"
Chinese knives are cheaper for the end result. Some people have different preferences. I highlight quality regardless of geography. Period.
Buy and support whatever you want to. That's all the power you have
It's a "value" video. "Made in USA" and "value" don't often go hand in hand. You'll find more American-made knives on the "best overall" or "favorite" lists, but not here.
Also, I hope you're not equating "Chinese" with "junk", because that's just outdated thinking. They'll make anything you want at any quality you want as long as you're willing to pay. Unfortunately, they're willing to make garbage for pennies, so that's the reputation they've earned. However, they're perfectly capable of making knives that can go head to head with anything coming out of the US at the production level. I'll take something like a $300 Reate Mini Horizon over an hysterically overpriced $700+ Medford any day.
8cr13mov and 14c28n is like base civic vs base Corolla 😂😂 From a performance perspective, there’s just not enough difference to care 🤷♂️
That isn't true at all. 8cr = Aus8 - knifesteelnerds.com/2020/06/15/what-is-the-best-budget-knife-steel/
I appreciate the reply, but I’m not stating that they’re the same composition. Like I said above, the performance difference is just negligible in use. To say a knife is way better because it has one vs the other is silly. Both stainless. Same edge retention. 14c is slightly tougher but they’re both decently tough. Neither is great, both are fine
@@maybefrank8345forgive me, I'm gonna go with the actual metallurgist's opinion here. I mean nothing personal by it. Its just that he's a professional and I don't know anything about you.
Funny, you’d say that, since the article you linked helped me form my opinion. In performance, these steels are more similar than different. Just because you point to a scientific study doesn’t mean it actually backs your opinion. And being bored with something doesn’t make it bad. Although, since you’re a content creator, I could see why you would take that stance.
@@maybefrank8345look, whatever you want to think about this is fine with me. I think there's a big difference between these steels and you don't have to agree with me. I honestly don't care enough to try and convince you. Have a nice day
#STORYTIME
Fortnite battle pass
Ah a man of culture I see, akin to the battle pass in the hit video game Fortnite these knives are of extremely high value, and also like in Fortnite, the items up for offer are of very high quality, just like the peter griffin skin in Fortnite. You are one perceptive fellow.
I just **** out my ***
I like how @metal_complex makes naysayers sound like absolute morons
awesome! Hey MC have you checked out the Rike Tuya? It's a couple years old but a COOL integral G10 knife!
sorry, TULAY!
12:36 “skunk works” WE