NV037 Weihrauch HW77K Moderator Review Part 1. Fitting the Weihrauch HW77K Moderator.
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The Weihrauch HW77K Moderator does not come with any instructions, so here is a quick guide to this fiddly task.
I would suggest the presence of a nice cup of tea while you do this.
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Would have been helpful to hear the sound of the rife without and with the silencer.
Hello, yes apologies for that. The muzzle report was definitely muted, although the spring and action noise was then more noticeable. They do say that it is downrange that the difference is noticeable with a springer rather than at the shooter's end of the gun.
Good video, thanks! I feel like the moderator is a good deal, it not only reduces the sound, but makes it lower, which I think is better. A worthwhile addition if you're shooting in your backyard.
Thank you, much appreciated 👍🏻
I was amazed how good it is and as you say it is always best to avoid drawing attention to yourself when shooting in your backyard.
For diana 52 exist?
Hello, I believe that there is a silencer available for the Diana Model 52. Contact Krale Gunshop in the Netherlands.
Just installed mine ... this video helped me in choice. It does make a difference on the.177 HW77 (long). Seems like it takes the crack out of some of the shots. Just my impression. IMHO, looks great too. Also, the one I received just has the mfg markings on the muzzle ... so looks all black from side to side, but the critters will see the W and model and air gun only markings.
Thank you, glad the video was helpful. Interesting that the markings are different. At least then the critters will know what hit them 😂.
Tks for sharing Nick
Thanks for watching, glad the video was helpful.
Thanks for sharing Nick👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you 👍🏻
I got a weihrauch moderator for my HW90, and it was throwing off my shots about an inch and a half at 30 yards. I was told that's normal and to just re zero the scope to bring back point of impact. Instead, I decided to remove it and leave it off. I'll hold on to it but I wish I hadn't bought it.
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated.
Was accuracy worse after fitting the moderator or the same?
I have noticed point of impact shift after fitting a moderator, but a reduction in accuracy implies that the pellet is clipping baffles or the end cap.
@nickvending9688 it will change your zero its to do with how the air flows to whats released or gases ect so pretty normal
@johnforce9390 thank you for your comment much appreciated.
Yes, hence my question asking whether accuracy was worse or was it just a point of impact shift.
Great 👍🏻 video mr thumbs 😉
Just what I’m looking for Ty .
Glad you enjoyed the video, happy to help 👍🏻
Thank you for sharing.
Hello, thank you for your comment. You're welcome.
Hi Nick .Does the design avoid marking the blueing. I'm not that keen on grub screws going directly onto the barrel? Thanks.
Hello, thank you for your comment. There are no grub screws in the design so the blueing is not marked. A real win win solution.
I took my iron sight off to reduce weight also when i did this 👍🏽
Good idea, my HW77K could do with going on a diet!
Looks like a nice bit of slide bite there m8
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Great and helpfull vidéo :) do you know how many more lenght it add to the air rifle ?
Thx by the way !
Hello, thank you for your comment, glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻.
The moderator adds around 18cm.
Hope that helps.
Very informative Nick. I am looking at the HW77 or a HW57 threaded but pre-owned. Unfortunately I cannot afford a new package as I am aware that I need to leave enough left over for a good scope. I am wondering how far back in 77 models will this silencer fit. I have seen some early models in my price range. Promising!
Hello Robert, thank you for your comment much appreciated 👍🏻. I'd recommend the HW77K over the HW57. Nothing to do with snobbery, everything to do with reliability. I'm not sure when the current front sight design dates from, could be worth asking in a Weihrauch owners group on Facebook? Apologies that I can't be of more help.
it's a good bit of kit just rather go with out in .22 there's nothing but a dull thud anyway especially after a tune
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. I bought it out of curiosity as part of a larger order, but I was very impressed with the results.
Hello Nick. Been looking to purchase a Moderator for a HW77K. Perhaps you can tell me where you obtained yours please. Check many places but don't have them.
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated.
I ordered mine from Krale Gun Shop in Holland. I thought I had put a link in the video description, but it might have expired. I will check it and if the link isn't there I will put it in.
Hope that helps.
@@nickvending9688 Hi Nick. Thanks for the assist, just ordered one and on it's way 😃 Brexit got in the way a bit....order needed to be over £135, so treated myself to a larger new hard case for mine...can leave the moderator on now. Cheers.🍻
Hello, great - glad I could help. Good idea with the gun case 👍🏻
@@Jackster4505hmm, I’ve found orders less than £135 are not clobbered by duty and VAT. Over that you might get ‘free postage’ but HM customs and the carrier screw you for more ….
Will that moderator work on a HW97KT also and where do you buy them please.
Hello, thank you for your comment.
It will only fit the HW77K.
It fits around the HW77K's front sight, the HW97K does not have any open sights.
I bought it from Krale Shop in Holland.
@nickvending9688 thank you for answering my friend.
Hello
Does anyone have a idea How can I get a stuck moderator threaded adapter of a Weihrauch Silencer, without any damage on both parts, I have silicone oil before on the threads. 🤔
Hello, thank you for your comment.
Moderators and thread adaptors do seem to like to get stuck together.
The way I do it is to put penetrating oil on the thread and soak overnight. Clean the outside surfaces and wrap the moderator in bits of an old leather belt then put it in a vice. Then put leather or rubber around the adaptor and grip it with mole grips to undo it. Go gentle, don't overtighten, try not to slip, readjust if necessary.
There will always be the risk of damaging the finish.
@@nickvending9688 Thank You Very Much 🤗
Happy to help 👍🏻
For £88 I'll put up with the noise , 😂🤣👍
Hello, thank you for your comment. £88? Wow they've gone up in price! I paid £40 delivered from Krale Shop in Holland.
@@nickvending9688 tried to get on there website no luck goggle whoudn't let me , ?
Nick great video. Question would this fit the new hw57fts
Thank you, much appreciated 👍🏻. Glad you enjoyed the video.
That is a good question, apologies but I don't know the answer.
The FTS has a 1/2" UNEF thread. This moderator bolts on because the HW77K doesn't have the thread required for a screw fit moderator.
Thank you for answering that question, much appreciated.
@@nickvending9688 the only thing people have to be wary of with the 57 FTS is clearance for the underlever release to get your finger in
@@radiomuffinI see what you mean.
Does the HW globe sight fit the Hw77?
Hello, thank you for your comment. You've stumped me there, I will have to do some research.
Yes but this will prevent the use of the silencers. The standard front iron sight works though.
Will this fit the hw95 with open sights
Hello thank you for your comment. As far as I am aware it is for the HW77K only, I don't think it would fit any other rifle.
I wasn't aware that the HW95 was available with open sights, is this a conversion you have done?
As of 2024 this silencer cost rrp £99.00
So not cheap.
Ouch, that's a ridiculous price.
what happened to your thumb? Bear trap?
I'm just rather clumsy, I could cut myself on air.
Want too hear the difference
Hello
Check out part 2 👍🏻
All the best
Nick
Hi, well what alot of faffing about ! Don't like it personally and not worth the trouble. Had an air logic version of this year's 35 years ago on my mk 1 .22 hw77k and was inaccurate too. Also on my gun noise difference from muzzle was hardly noticeable in .22 cal. More beneficial on a noisy 1.77 I'd say. For me personally I've shot my 77k all of these 35 years ,both hunting and target ,without a silencer and it's really fine.
Cheers Brian
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Always good to hear from long term owners willing to share their knowledge and experience.
Weihrauch do seem to have prioritised function over form with this product. I quite like it but it is such a shame it couldn't have been more streamlined and look more like the HW97, but I guess they wanted it to be the proverbial brick "out" house (but then used tiny little screws).
It was fiddly to fit (working around a camera and trying to show the viewer what was happening), but it fitted very well.
I used to not bother with moderators but increasingly my hunting is from a hide or is within the earshot of folk that want to live in the country but not live a country life, so needs must.
I purchased this product, found there were no instructions so I filmed the video to hopefully help out my fellow shooters.
Downrange the muzzle report is muted. As with all springers the "action" is still audible but it is right by my ear. I will be filming part 2 at some point to hopefully show the difference.
Thank you again for your comment, safe shooting 👍🏻.
@@nickvending9688 Thanks for the reply Nick. Just out of interest I see Weihrauch have just brought out the latest version of the HW57 FTS with the 77 foresight and lever assembly fitted, with the bonuses of a screwcut barrel thread and protector ready for easy fitting silencer of choice. Looks nice little package. What do you think ? Got good review on gunmart. Cheers.
I have always liked the concept of the HW57, the pop up breech looked like it would be easier to load than the HW77K's breech but keeping the benefits of a fixed barrel.
However the elephant in the room with the 57 is the pop up breech, specifically the seals. I know that I sound like every Facebook group member when I say that but it was often discussed for a reason. As far as I could see it was caused by misalignment of the breech resulting in the seals catching and tearing. It wasn't every gun but it was enough of them to make me cautious.
However I note in the Gunmart review I just read that the breech doesn't come up as far now, so hopefully that means the issues have been tuned out of the breech with better / stronger alignment. I'm sure Weihrauch wouldn't have let it continue, they would have fixed it.
I did handle a 57 with the Minelli stock a few years ago, it felt a bit shall we say junior to me. I didn't get on with the shape or size of the stock. But I am 6ft 5in so most items do feel undersized (have a look at my review of the Nitehawk padded shooting table for an example).
The 57 fts seem to be going for anywhere between £305 to £350, mainly £335. There is a shop local to me that last time I went was selling the HW77K brand new for £360 - not a huge amount more and I know which one I would rather buy for that sort of money.
@@nickvending9688 build quality on the 57 isnt their usual standard. Feels and shoots like a cheaper Turkish made gun.
@@jamieogorman9461 it's a pity really, the 57 should be a good little gun but it just seems to be missing the Weihrauch touch. I'm usually one for advocating saving money but it just doesn't seem justifiable given the price difference between it and the HW77K balanced against the jump up in quality.
j'en ai eu un je les rendu et rembourser aucun effet de réduction
This comment is translated using Google, I hope it is correct.
Bonjour, merci pour votre commentaire. Désolé d'entendre ça. La réduction du bruit avec une carabine à air comprimé à ressort peut être assez subjective, elle ne réduira pas le bruit d'action uniquement le rapport de bouche. L'effet complet n'est entendu qu'en bas de gamme. Cependant, si vous n'êtes pas satisfait d'un produit, il est toujours préférable de le retourner.
Bonjour, il y a un effet, mais il n'est pas percetible par le tireur. Si vous utilisez un sonometre a plus de quelques metres de la carabine, vous constaterez que le bruit est réduit.
I byied but this not many moderator but little
The performance of the moderator is deceptive, I tried to capture this in the follow up video.
The shooter won't really hear a difference because the action noise remains unchanged.
The difference is heard downrange.
Nothing wrong with the video, on point no frills just how I like them nothing worse than a drossy waffling half hour intro.leading into a pile of pointless banal doggy do and stupidly loud and pointless music.More interested in the moderator and your thoughts on it's performance and value for money. I recently acquired my first HW silencer. Underwhelmed does not cover my impression of this particular piece of rubbish. I shall not be buying another, Weihrauch need to seriously up their game to get close to modern standards of sound moderation. I can only hope yours is made of better stuff.I certainly would not wish this piece of rubbish on my worst enemy.
Hello, thank you for your feedback on the channel, very much appreciated.
Sorry to hear that your moderator isn't performing. Which version is it? Is it their 1/2" universal moderator, or is it one of the rifle specific versions?
@@nickvending9688 It is the universal fitting type came on a pop up breech HW I fancied trying., which is not as bad as many make out. It along with the underlever are the only two of George Lincoln Jeffries patterns still being produced. Back to the moderator appears to have two curlers wrapped in cloth as baffles a technology going back thirty years or more most disappointing.
Great description, yeah I agree with you. They work on a PCP, but moderators on spring guns are a bit more subjective because of the noise from the mechanism right by your ear.
They are quieter down range with a moddy, but I'd rather not stand in front to hear the benefit.
I'm quite lucky that my 77k has a quiet spring from the factory so I did get some benefit from the moderator.
Back when I bought it and a Weihrauch 1/2" moderator they were quite reasonably priced, but now I'd say they are rather expensive and the 1/2" version is a bit basic compared to other moderators in the same price bracket.
@@nickvending9688 Yes the action is noisy, it needs work but I have moderators that work better of unknown origin. The only good point this HW mod has is that it is easy to strip and improve. And of course you are quite right it is the down range effect that matters most. But this mod appears to have no effect on muzzle blast at all. I have in my possession a moderator given to me many years ago that had been fitted to a Falcon pcp it actually managed to amplify the muzzle blast yet fitted to a spring gun is quite effective cannot get inside the thing to see how it works, I can tell you it is the smallest and heaviest moderator in my collection.