What an astonishing little guy, never heard of him before. This lovely tribute is wonderful and he should not be forgotten. If possible more flim of this amazing flying flea call whirlaway.
Might be the most forgotten and under appreciated of the all-time top ten American horses. He was a great 2 yo, 3yo & 4yo. Probably the best 2 yo thru 4 yo of all-time. The only horse to win the triple crown and the Travers. Won 7 stakes races under 130+ including the Travers (SEC never won under more than 126). Won 4 stakes requiring less then 100% effort (SEC never won a stakes race at less then 100% effort). Whirlaway also won stakes races under 6 different jockeys.
Whirlaway and Secretariat are my 2 favs! Thank you for posting this! Ithiink horses were alot more hardy back in these days- that's why i believe there were more triple crown winners back then!
Year, Ta'Kara is the extreme. But you'd be surprised, if you look at world record holders, at the number of horses you never heard of. Some just have a great day once in their lives. Ta'Kara ran a smart race, taking the lead from the start and setting a slow pace. Like to know what happended to Big Brown: the NYC humidity? didn't like the Belmont track?
Thank you for posting this. It's so nice (and hard to find) seeing the greats of long ago. ABC (?) research made a little mistake, in saying that Whirlaway's time stood until Secretariat broke it. Decidedly (1962) was actually the one to break Whirlaway's mark, running 2:00.4 in 1962. Two years later, Northern Dancer broke that record, running 2 minutes flat. Secretariat broke Northern Dancer's record. Whirlaway held the record for an impressive 21 years. Whirlaway is one of just 25 victors in the history of the KD to break 2:02 for ten furlongs, and he was just the second one after Twenty Grand (1931) to do so. The first three horses to break 2:02 were all tail male to Swynford.
Whirlaway was just part of an especally famous year-1941: Citizen Kane, Louis vs. Conn, the 56 game hitting streak, Ted Williams'.406, Mickey Owens, and of course, Pearl Harbor. What a year!
In 1941, more than 3 million cars were manufactured in the U.S. Only 139 more were made for the duration of WWII. Life expectancy for males was 63.1 and 66.8 for females. The price of a movie ticket was 25 cents. The book "Curious George" was published. The movie the "Maltese Falcon" was also released. Mickey Rooney, Bob Hope and Bing Crosby were big stars. Thank you for recognizing the big events that took place during 1941. PS - I think Whirlaway was much more intelligent than he is given credit for.
Around 2:202:30. Holy shit. Look at how far behind he is. Look at how fast he catches up. He might be my favorite. Count fleet is another I love. These horses were amazing
Tom Yes, Whirly was quite a horse.....and quite beloved at Calument. He was a one run horse, but when he turned it on, no one could catch him!!! The Fleet is one of my favorites....unfortunately was hurt after the Belmont, and we did not see him race as much as we would have liked. Johnny Longdon says he was the best horse he ever rode....
Right, Monarchos broke 2:00 min. in 2001(?), 1:59 4/5, same as beloved Sham, who would have won Triple Crown if it just hadn't been for that "other horse," everyone keeps referring to.
@@johntucker7063 In 1973, I was a huge fan of Sham and rooted for him against Secretariat every time they raced. However, as time has passed and I have studied his record, I have to say that Sham's reputation has been way overdone because he had those races with Secretariat. He had two great races, the Derby and the Preakness. But in a short career of only 13 races, Sham only won five of those. He was a good, gutsy horse, but not great and even the triple crown wouldn't have been a foregone conclusion if Secretariat wasn't in them.
The second greatest race horse in history. Obviously, Secretariat is my pick for #1. Whirlaway was simply amazing in the way that he would just noodle around at the back of the pack, and then explode past the rest of the field. It was almost as if he was saying "Ok Guys, I'm gonna spot you all 20 lengths, and then I'm gonna blow you off of the track."
Jim McKay gets one detail wrong. Whirlaway indeed set the record for the 1-1/4 mile Kentucky Derby at 2:01 4/5 in 1941 but it was beaten well before Secretariat. In 1962 Decidedly lowered the record to 2:00 4/5, and in 1964 Northern Dancer lowered it furher to 2:00 even. Secretariat lowered it to a then-world record 1:59 2/5 in 1973, and that's still the race record to this day.
Whirly was my favorite triple crown winner and thoroughbred he won the Kentucky derby 1 week later he ran the Preakness won in between preakness and Belmont won a stakes race then won the Belmont and triple crown the only triple winner to win the superfecta the mid summer derby at the graveyard of champions Travers stakes one of the races secretariat lost to the gelding onion not too many horses ran such a vigorous campaign aside for maybe phar lap or citation
Secretariat holds the fastest triple crown races stakes time records in all three especially in the Belmont 2:24 In the DRF it says (against the wind on the backstretch) with 126 lbs on em wow
Chill out, people. Horse racing is conditional. Secretariat was a really good horse with good times, he couldn't help his stablemate was hurt or didn't like the track or whatever. Sham and Sec were both darned good, but Sec won the TC, end of story. If he'd gotten a beat off and Sham beat him the same story would be told. Some people loved how he ran, others didn't. Racing is conditional.
Don't you realize what S did in 5 wks. not just Hawkster at Santa Anita 1989 at 2:22.8. I like others. Arcaro said Kelso could beat the s--t out of Citation when Nack asked him. Arcaro told Turcotte he road the best. Hollie Hughes was most renowned trainer in U.S. at time. He and Hatton (Daily Racing Form for years) both saw ManOWar.I'm just reporting.
One of the great training jobs of all time by Ben Jones...Whirly was small 15 hands 2, but he could really come when Eddie let him go! Thanks for uploading the videos Carly...and sorry for the pathetic Sec't fans who feel they have a right to infect every site with their puerile blather...
Rainy Moon Really? I think it is no accident that some of Whirlaway 's descendants are hard to work with, just like Whirlaway. Of course, I watched Whirlaway through UA-cam. But Whirlaway became my favorite Champion. I am no expert, but would Whirlaway set many speed records if he could start normally like other horses? I mean, Whirlaway was like 15 lengths behind at the quarter turn and won by a Preakness track record time. Wow! If Whirlaway sprint out of the gate, that record may not be broken even by the great Secretariat.
I Why would Charles Hatton who saw them all including MOW say S was the best, he could do it all. Hollie Hughes who saddled 1916 Derby or Belmont(?) winner knew it all and after Belmont said S was the best. I don't need BEST I'm quoting experts. There weren't plenty of horses better, maybe as or almost as good but not PLENTY BETTER. Read the facts. cont.
I know.. even though I love Secretariat and want him to remain invincible, so to speak, that's such a silly human trait. The horses aren't bothered that much. What does it mean, that therefore Man O'War, or Secretariat or any other champion is to be dismissed as meaningless if record is broken? They're all beloved !
Oh, here we go again, that was just my choice of words because I love him. Lighten up will you people. and if you would read the EXPLANATIONS of WHY he lost these 3 races you would see it never should have happened. And PLEASE don't respond sarcastically to me I've had enough fm Carly and Rebecca to last a lifetime.I don't need nasty.
Smarty certainly was close; same with Funny Cide. In 1998, Real Quiet lost the Belmont and TC in a photo. Most of the time the spoilers are inferior horses. SAD!!
SALVE you could let me see the run of the derby epsom 1908 I would be infinitely grateful, where he won the mare Signorinetta of cav.EDOARDO GINISTRELLI GRAZIE.
Screw Secretariat. I'm sick of hearing about him and the constantly annoying comparisons of him with another horse. This is my TC horse favorite. He was NOT suppose to win that Preakness. He was a true once in a lifetime horse.
REASONS not EXCUSES are in Man O War v Secretariat video comments & S Belmont Read carefully all info on WHY S lost. Read Turcotte's explanations. Don't just say oh he lost 3 races. And we're wasting our time w/each other if you are a "a loss is a loss" person.
Love this video and the commentary. What a great horse.
What an astonishing little guy, never heard of him before. This lovely tribute is wonderful and he should not be forgotten. If possible more flim of this amazing flying flea call whirlaway.
Whirlaway was a brilliant horse, one of my top favorite race horses of all time no doubt.
Minor point, but Secretariat did not break Whirlaway's track record in the Kentucky Derby. Northern Dancer did. Then Secretariat.
good horse kockey and trainer!
Might be the most forgotten and under appreciated of the all-time top ten American horses. He was a great 2 yo, 3yo & 4yo. Probably the best 2 yo thru 4 yo of all-time. The only horse to win the triple crown and the Travers. Won 7 stakes races under 130+ including the Travers (SEC never won under more than 126). Won 4 stakes requiring less then 100% effort (SEC never won a stakes race at less then 100% effort). Whirlaway also won stakes races under 6 different jockeys.
My fav triple crown winner along with Citation. What a great horse.
Thanks for uploading these documents here.
Whirlaway and Secretariat are my 2 favs! Thank you for posting this! Ithiink horses were alot more hardy back in these days- that's why i believe there were more triple crown winners back then!
Whirlaway is my fav Triple Crown Winner. along with Citation and Secretariat.
The three are exactly my favorites!
Whirlaway is my favorite Triple Crown Winner. He was absolutley amazing!
and the same horse won at Saratoga on the last Saturday in august
What a beautiful horse. Look at that tail!
If you have ESPN On Demand see if they have the 47 minute documentary "Whirlaway." I just watched it and it is terrific.
Just found that here on UA-cam. Thanks for the tip.
Great horse, A true Legend, Sadly passed too early.
What a character! Beautiful creature.
I love these old film clips - thanks!
Year, Ta'Kara is the extreme. But you'd be surprised, if you look at world record holders, at the number of horses you never heard of. Some just have a great day once in their lives. Ta'Kara ran a smart race, taking the lead from the start and setting a slow pace. Like to know what happended to Big Brown: the NYC humidity? didn't like the Belmont track?
Thank you for posting this. It's so nice (and hard to find) seeing the greats of long ago. ABC (?) research made a little mistake, in saying that Whirlaway's time stood until Secretariat broke it. Decidedly (1962) was actually the one to break Whirlaway's mark, running 2:00.4 in 1962. Two years later, Northern Dancer broke that record, running 2 minutes flat. Secretariat broke Northern Dancer's record. Whirlaway held the record for an impressive 21 years. Whirlaway is one of just 25 victors in the history of the KD to break 2:02 for ten furlongs, and he was just the second one after Twenty Grand (1931) to do so. The first three horses to break 2:02 were all tail male to Swynford.
1964
@@chuckschafer6728 Decidedly broke the record in the 1962 Derby. Northern Dancer broke it again in 1964.
Whirlaway was just part of an especally famous year-1941: Citizen Kane, Louis vs. Conn, the 56 game hitting streak, Ted Williams'.406, Mickey Owens, and of course, Pearl Harbor. What a year!
In 1941, more than 3 million cars were manufactured in the U.S. Only 139 more were made for the duration of WWII. Life expectancy for males was 63.1 and 66.8 for females. The price of a movie ticket was 25 cents. The book "Curious George" was published. The movie the "Maltese Falcon" was also released. Mickey Rooney, Bob Hope and Bing Crosby were big stars. Thank you for recognizing the big events that took place during 1941. PS - I think Whirlaway was much more intelligent than he is given credit for.
So cool. Now I want to see that documentary...
i love your videos :) thank you!
Around 2:20 2:30. Holy shit. Look at how far behind he is. Look at how fast he catches up. He might be my favorite. Count fleet is another I love. These horses were amazing
Tom
Yes, Whirly was quite a horse.....and quite beloved at Calument. He was a one run horse, but when he turned it on, no one could catch him!!! The Fleet is one of my favorites....unfortunately was hurt after the Belmont, and we did not see him race as much as we would have liked. Johnny Longdon says he was the best horse he ever rode....
I also love both horses.
Mine are Cy, Whirly and Count Fleet. Plus those who SHOULD have won: MOW, Tim Tam, Little Current, Kelso, Spectacular Bid, and Swaps.
Right, Monarchos broke 2:00 min. in 2001(?), 1:59 4/5, same as beloved Sham, who would have won Triple Crown if it just hadn't been for that "other horse," everyone keeps referring to.
Wow. I just noticed you made your comments 16 years ago. Poor Sham. He picked the wrong year to be born.
@@johntucker7063 In 1973, I was a huge fan of Sham and rooted for him against Secretariat every time they raced. However, as time has passed and I have studied his record, I have to say that Sham's reputation has been way overdone because he had those races with Secretariat. He had two great races, the Derby and the Preakness. But in a short career of only 13 races, Sham only won five of those. He was a good, gutsy horse, but not great and even the triple crown wouldn't have been a foregone conclusion if Secretariat wasn't in them.
The second greatest race horse in history. Obviously, Secretariat is my pick for #1. Whirlaway was simply amazing in the way that he would just noodle around at the back of the pack, and then explode past the rest of the field. It was almost as if he was saying "Ok Guys, I'm gonna spot you all 20 lengths, and then I'm gonna blow you off of the track."
RIP Ben Jones
Jim McKay gets one detail wrong. Whirlaway indeed set the record for the 1-1/4 mile Kentucky Derby at 2:01 4/5 in 1941 but it was beaten well before Secretariat. In 1962 Decidedly lowered the record to 2:00 4/5, and in 1964 Northern Dancer lowered it furher to 2:00 even. Secretariat lowered it to a then-world record 1:59 2/5 in 1973, and that's still the race record to this day.
And Sham also broke 2 minutes placing second to Secretariat. Monarchos ran 1:59:97 on a very fast track.
I have been looking for that documentary for a while! Is it the Bud Greenspan one?!
People forgget who set that record that Secretariat broke.
Count fleet
Whirly was my favorite triple crown winner and thoroughbred he won the Kentucky derby 1 week later he ran the Preakness won in between preakness and Belmont won a stakes race then won the Belmont and triple crown the only triple winner to win the superfecta the mid summer derby at the graveyard of champions Travers stakes one of the races secretariat lost to the gelding onion not too many horses ran such a vigorous campaign aside for maybe phar lap or citation
Secretariat holds the fastest triple crown races stakes time records in all three especially in the Belmont 2:24 In the DRF it says (against the wind on the backstretch) with 126 lbs on em wow
i think Smarty Jones and Funny Cide shuld have won the triple crown.
I think he means teh derby record, though I may be wrong.
Chill out, people. Horse racing is conditional. Secretariat was a really good horse with good times, he couldn't help his stablemate was hurt or didn't like the track or whatever. Sham and Sec were both darned good, but Sec won the TC, end of story. If he'd gotten a beat off and Sham beat him the same story would be told. Some people loved how he ran, others didn't. Racing is conditional.
Don't you realize what S did in 5 wks. not just Hawkster at Santa Anita 1989 at 2:22.8. I like others. Arcaro said Kelso could beat the s--t out of Citation when Nack asked him. Arcaro told Turcotte he road the best. Hollie Hughes was most renowned trainer in U.S. at time. He and Hatton (Daily Racing Form for years) both saw ManOWar.I'm just reporting.
Great reporting. Thank you.
doesnt matter. we know which horse were talking about
One of the great training jobs of all time by Ben Jones...Whirly was small 15 hands 2, but he could really come when Eddie let him go! Thanks for uploading the videos Carly...and sorry for the pathetic Sec't fans who feel they have a right to infect every site with their puerile blather...
It's too bad that one of Whirlaway's best descendants, Forego, was a gelding.
Rainy Moon Really? I think it is no accident that some of Whirlaway 's descendants are hard to work with, just like Whirlaway. Of course, I watched Whirlaway through UA-cam. But Whirlaway became my favorite Champion. I am no expert, but would Whirlaway set many speed records if he could start normally like other horses? I mean, Whirlaway was like 15 lengths behind at the quarter turn and won by a Preakness track record time. Wow! If Whirlaway sprint out of the gate, that record may not be broken even by the great Secretariat.
I Why would Charles Hatton who saw them all including MOW say S was the best, he could do it all. Hollie Hughes who saddled 1916 Derby or Belmont(?) winner knew it all and after Belmont said S was the best. I don't need BEST I'm quoting experts. There weren't plenty of horses better, maybe as or almost as good but not PLENTY BETTER. Read the facts. cont.
kind done like Secretariat did... from the rear, outside rail....except Secret done wonders with a blinker.
they just don't make them like they used to. sad :/
@MelC54 Agreed.
I know.. even though I love Secretariat and want him to remain invincible, so to speak, that's such a silly human trait. The horses aren't bothered that much. What does it mean, that therefore Man O'War, or Secretariat or any other champion is to be dismissed as meaningless if record is broken? They're all beloved !
Oh, here we go again, that was just my choice of words because I love him. Lighten up will you people. and if you would read the EXPLANATIONS of WHY he lost these 3 races you would see it never should have happened. And PLEASE don't respond sarcastically to me I've had enough fm Carly and Rebecca to last a lifetime.I don't need nasty.
Smarty certainly was close; same with Funny Cide. In 1998, Real Quiet lost the Belmont and TC in a photo. Most of the time the spoilers are inferior horses. SAD!!
@MelC54 the Belmont is a mile 1/2 - he ran it in 2:24 - he ran the Derby in 1:59 - mile 1/4.....just an fyi
SALVE you could let me see the run of the derby epsom 1908 I would be infinitely grateful, where he won the mare Signorinetta of cav.EDOARDO GINISTRELLI GRAZIE.
gfn02: Thank you for you usual unenlightening, totally ignorant comment!
Screw Secretariat. I'm sick of hearing about him and the constantly annoying comparisons of him with another horse. This is my TC horse favorite. He was NOT suppose to win that Preakness. He was a true once in a lifetime horse.
Secretariat was faster.
@@stevebartlett536Fast enough to LOSE the Travers.
@@theendofanerror4173 Whirlaway was fabulous too.
REASONS not EXCUSES are in Man O War v Secretariat video comments & S Belmont Read carefully all info on WHY S lost. Read Turcotte's explanations. Don't just say oh he lost 3 races. And we're wasting our time w/each other if you are a "a loss is a loss" person.