Blasphemy from The Book of Clarence (A Response Video)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2023
- I swear I'm not looking for these...they just get sent to me.
Today we're looking at another piece of garbage from Hollywood, this one called 'The Book of Clarence.' A movie about a conman who is trying to convince the Jewish world of 33 AD that he is the next Messiah, and win their fame. Supposedly it's a comedy like The Life of Brian...except there's nothing funny about it...the show takes itself quite seriously, and it also race swaps all the Jews to be African instead...
Yeah, you know where this is going.
Let's just get it over with.
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A good creative retelling would be the original Ben Hurr. That was an awesome movie during the time of Christ that actually glorifies Jesus. This movie looks like trash. Not to mention that if Jay Z said that this was about promoting Blacks because the Bible doesn't include them enough, then he is literally using Christ to help glorify something other than Himself.
God hates a proudful and haughty spirit, and what is more proudful than trying to change the most significant historical event in history to include yourselves in it, and literally using the Son of God as a marketing tool to do it. Jay Z is literally doing the same thing as Clarence in the movie and is feeding off of Jesus's ministry to promote his own.
Nah you missing part of it, Jay Z is so shallow that he doesn’t understand the Bible isn’t about ethnic representation, and even with that said there are Black people people mentioned and most of the people we read about would have been brown or yellow skinned.
It’s true in most of the Bible movies that have been released by Hollywood , none of them portray Jesus as bronze skin and woolly hair
go see the movie y'all creating narratives that the movie ain't even about the movie is a great movie that's faith based stop listening to these people with all these opinions that haven't even seen the movie
@@redknightradioganstonhue1113 Thank you. Bigots will just run their mouth. All over UA-cam you will see channels that are supposed to be Christian-oriented launching tirades on JayZ and the movie, criticizing, even though the movies wasn't out and they never watched 1 minute of it. For bigots I have this Bible verse for them: "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
@@redknightradioganstonhue1113 So you disagree with what Meme is saying in the vid?
Heresy has become bolder as of late.
Christianity is so often mocked and taken for granted in Western society that I'm almost numb to it. It so frustrating to me. Especially when basic information about Christ, Christian doctrine, or the historical context of biblical stories are so widespread and available. Its not like we're hiding anything when we have seminaries, scholars, and centuries of academic research and thought devoted to studying the Bible and Christian theology with thousands of books on the subject.
america is mocked for the same reason it's on top and is objectively better than or on par with it's rivals but also forgiving and confident thus they don't punish every slight against them
in short the strong let this happen for only a weakling would rage and rise against every slight
At least orthodox is maintaining itself.
Having so many mega churches tends to do that. Some of the pigs that act as cults of personality at those churches sicken me
yes
It's also amazing when anti-theists will pose questions they think are some sort of gotchas, not realizing that religious scholars have been pondering the same questions for centuries and have a variety of answers.
To quote Eminem from 8 Mile: "This guys a gangster? His real name's Clarence. And Clarence lives at home with both parents, and Clarence parents have a real good marriage."
😂😂😂😂
Jay-Z doesn't care about Jesus. In his song New York, he says "Jesus can't save, life starts when the church ends".
As someone who is not a member of any Abrahamic faith, I've always found it stupid that people target Christianity alone and never Judaism or Islam. Most complaints people have about the Bible are about the Old Testament, which is followed by Judaism too. Why does Christianity and Christianity alone get all the hate? Why is it being singled out?
And that movie looks like it's going to be terrible. It could work if it was a comedy, but it's being played straight. We have an unlikeable protagonist who wants the fame Jesus got without actually caring about the lessons Jesus taught, cons people out of their money by pretending to create miracles, and was even slapped by John the Baptist for smoking at an important religious event. I don't get why the trailer didn't show whatever redeeming qualities the film's going to give him, assuming they give him any.
Honestly, the Romans are perfectly in the right to want to expose him. He's a straight-up con artist. Though, you're right that the Romans wouldn't care about him since he doesn't threaten Roman interests. You're also right that it would make more sense to have the Pharisees come after him. And, in that case, they'd be absolutely right to do it.
Oh Islam definitely gets the same if not more hate ,even from Christians sometimes.
Why Christianity seems to be the main target is because most of the western world was christian until recently. Whether it be from having trauma from being abused by religious figures or family members, believing science is the only logical explanation and merely putting the bible as fairy tales or just not believing in religion anymore, these new atheists have a grudge over how their old religion treated them and since most of these people seem to be from the western world it starts to make sense.
There all BS plus being Christian does do anything for you people will be judged by the 12 discipline of Jesus by the works you have done on earth not how much you know the bible and go to church Christianity is filled with hate Jesus was not
To answer your question about why Christianity is targeted, that's because Satan, who rules this world, hates Christ and those who follow him. Jesus christ told us that we would be persecuted just as they persecuted him for his name sake. It's the reason why you see people constantly mocking and bashing the faith and the people in it and not talking about anyone else. Check out "the friendly athiest." He's a great example of that.
the Christians are targeted because time and events has removed the faiths teeth. there are very few Christians who will take the mockery violently. Islam has proven itself the barbarian and to an extent this protects them.
Judaism is mocked as well and again the faithful have matured enough to be able to handle mockery as an adult
all existing faiths deserve their own share of mockery but in the west the main target is Christianity because it is next door and no one is likely to fly into a rage about it.
It’s probably because most criticism comes from western countries where the majority religion is Christianity. I don’t like any religion but I talk about Christianity more because it affects me more than other religions
The film reeks of "Safe Edgy". Like you said Raven, if this was made about Islam then this would not be seen as ok.
Dang I came so early that the audio didn't load on the video yet. Time to restart UA-cam
In the life of Brian - Brian just gets mistaken to be Jesus. Which it much funnier. They also specifically in interviews said that they weren't mocking the story of jesus which I respect.
also the spirit is more a comedy of errors of a nice guy trying to make the best of his situation which feels more on brand for the religeon to me
It's very obvious that they said that I'm interviews exclusively because if they didn't they wouldn't be able to sell the movie.
All the plot points in life of Brian mirror classic accusations about who Jesus "really was".
Seriously, it's not subtle at all if you have even a passing familiarity of the sort of things said about Jesus before the first millennium
@@marvalice3455 not really the movie has multiple scenes of his messiah hood being outright rejected and the very idea of it mocked the joke is he's so nice (among other things ) though that people keep making the mistake
My favorite scene in the life of Brian was would you just listen I'm not the masiah.......HE IS HE IS THE MASIAH!!!!
@@marley7868do I really have to explain the joke?
"Your religion is so stupid it even Jesus believes it"
That's the joke. You not getting that joke is also the punchline
So do the Roman cares because Clarence is a scammer?
I really needs to control myself for not making jokes with Emperor Hadrian and Judaea.
apparently not as they decide to break there doctrine of "either your religeon is actually our religeon just local IE odin is zeus or your god is lesser than our gods" and went for he doesn't exist which is a level of beligerance and I'm fairly certain sacriledge that even they would typically not indulge in
To quote my pastor:
"I don't know why y'all are so surprised by the world. Demonized people are going to act demonic, this kinda madness don't surprise me anymore."
It never surprises me anymore that they do this stuff. Its up to the faithful to rebuke and correct this crap. It makes me sad and it does make me angry but nothing really makes me go "didn't see that one coming" We as Christians just need to understand and accept that this was already determined to happen, resist the evils of this world, and try to save as many people as possible before we meet Jesus. It's not easy but nothing worth obtaining ever is. Take solace in the fact that we are on the winning team
Read the Bible. If a demon is in someone, they would be acting crazy not make movies and music. Learn to understand what you read from the bible. Stop following people like this. Know it all in this video. The actor is not Jesus but pretending to be Jesus. How can you listen to a person who can't even understand the movie or the bible? Jesus wouldn't let his disciple engage in sin
This whole thing about it being “a brand new take on a timeless story“ smells like utter bull. A marketing ploy by Sony to get people to buzz about it.
Considering the conspiracies around Jay-Z and he’s one of the producers, and reactivated his IG SOLEY to promote this. It’s a pure mockery. In and out
Bold new direction of a timeless story…even though it’s not even seemingly based on ANY of them. Seriously, half of the stuff in this trailer just seems to be completely made up.
Great video Raven and this movie is just another Netflix Cleopatra.
Except all the characters in this movie are primarily black not white like Hollywood blasphemy of Africans
You guys are in for a rude awakening! Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
Dang thing isn’t even a real trailer, just a teaser. A very BAD teaser! Also, apparently this is being produced by Jay Z.
Love your content also you forgot the link to your second channel. I’ve really been enjoying it so I want it to succeed.
Wait is this movie inadvertently (possibly intentionally) antisemitic? Portraying jews as dumb and gullible people that would even follow a clown.
Wait, what IS the timeline for all this? How can supposedly John The Baptist still be alive and free if Jesus is out ministering? Where are the Pharisees or the 12? Is this before or after the crucifixion or the resurrection?
Lets not forget John the Baptist was dead
@@jacobblackard2574 I was already asking that.
Wait tri-star are still around??? Thats the most shocking thing in this damn trailer
5:50 funnily enough, I never put the two together, but this part of the Bible reminds me of the castlevania scene where the demon blue fang mocks the priest for thinking God is on his side.
I suspect that this series will be outright heresy, and Clarence will be accepted as a prophet/the messiah, but hidden from history because he's black.
I'm often a LOUSY Christian, and it's blatant that this is a self insert fanfic designed to tear down the Bible's true meaning, whether the creators realize it or not.
Also, the Bible speaks directly against multiple things seen in the trailer:
The fame seeking is one.
"Thou shalt not test the Lord the God." by walking on water on command is another.
I suspect Life of Brian is more respectful of The Bible/God... and that's a rather disrespectful movie in the first place.
And why is it bad?
because people who don't know better will believe it.
But then why make Jesus black in the film. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE LOL
this kind of movie getting funded and greenlit is the source of my depression
Something wrong with da audio
It's working on my end.
@@RavenKnightYTI can hear it now thanks
To be fair, if they were gonna reveal How it is going to end one may have less of an incentive to watch the movie.
But yeah, this seems like "Mattäus 24,24 - The Movie"
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
But I shall still choose Mercy over Justice and believe that they simply wanted to just make a comedy and failed, rather than act out of malicious intend.
And although I agree it get's tiresome how they seem to always pick on Christianity rather than other religion, it's also a fact, that in the Western World Christianity it the default religion that people know. Relativly few people would care about a parody (?) of other religions. And so far there has not been a Christian "Charlie Hebdo". Other than Bush's Gulf war.
Can you make a video responding to Word2Believe?
What videos do you want him to do a video on
@@dwayneasher6765his Legend of Zelda video, it should be relooked.
@@dwayneasher6765aside from that and maybe Persona 5. His other videos are fine
My prediction is that Jesus will be revealed to be a con artist like Clarence, but there's value in his nice message or something.
Jesus is actually in the movie which I show on my channel
If this film was made as a critique of those terrible televangelist and mega church preachers, I could somewhat see it in a better light, but I highly doubt that's gonna be the idea it goes with.
I thought it was a parody... Goddamn😂
YES! if they do it to christianity, they should also do it to others like islam or taoism. Heck, they did it to cleopatra, then they should do it to qin shihuang
I would love this concept if it was a comedy.
Which it is
The way this trailer is structured the film is nothing but mockery, to say othwerwise unveils the inherent prejudices against Christianity. There is the slim chance that the film will be different than the trailer, but I doubt it.
my comment disappeared, very good video I enjoyed listening to your points it was very interesting, there's not much I can do so good work and good rest after this
This movie was made or produced by Jay-Z and Jay-Z is proclaiming to be the god of Hiphop. And calling himself Hov like he is God. So this indeed is a mockery and blasphemous
Can we consider it a “divine comedy” from what we’ve seen? It looks hilariously botched with a weak plot from what I’ve seen, only worth watching for a few chuckles
I was surprised by how good this movie actually was🎉
I was appalled by how bad it was. And based on box office numbers? I wasn't alone.
For everyone out there commenting this dude is racist for not wanting to watch the movie because of the trailer, you need to chill out. We can't possibly know that. Plus, that is some heavy accusation to be thrown around so lightly. A lot of us know racism is real and unfortunately a lot of us have witnessed or experienced it. This dude is just zoned in to criticize the trailer for its biblical and/or historical accuracy from his studies and faith on the subject. I don't agree with his criticism because I don't like it when trailers show too much. Anyone who can give this movie a chance, then I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. If you don't, then it is what it is. Others might agree or disagree with you. That's just life.
many people loved Jesus, he fed 5000 men at once not counting women and children ,they tried to make him king but he fled so he was a local celebrity ,Jesus fed thousand of people at a time on multiple occasions as well as healed ,many people so many people would surround him
I love the video
Are we sure that that’s supposed to be John The Baptizer?
It is whether they say it is or not.
They can say his name is Tyrone the dunkmiester, it's still obviously john the baptist.
0:58 I'm not going to lie and tell you a neuron activated when I saw pastor claire come on scene.
Perfect review with scriptures also❗💗✝️👍🏼
Knowledge is greater than belief seems gnostic.
my skin is black
The movie reminds me of a black pastor on youtube. A lot of his videos is how black people being white wash and of course how police are cruel over the black criminal harming a black family where the police shout out a bunch of warn until having to draw his weapon. ( which Lead to Burn Loot redruM riot in kenosha.)
Good
1:11 Oh, hey!
The company behind the Monsterverse made this movie.
Believe me, I'm not excited for this movie either. Hollywood needs to stop making movies for a while so they can think of some fresh new ideas.
"until they think of new ideas"
The fact that you think this is even a coherent idea shows you don't know what the real problem is.
It's not that some group is "out of ideas". There is no group. There is not set of people "coming up with ideas".
The ideas that because movies are picked based on a process. It has nothing to do with any one person or group of people being "out of ideas", the selection process is fundamentally broken. You could let them sort till the return of Christ and they would never produce anything interesting
@@marvalice3455 Listen, I never meant to sound like a dick, all I’m saying is that perhaps the higher ups in Hollywood should decide to take a step back and have a session for brainstorming.
In fact, get all the different elements (people) involved into the production process to think of some ideas.
Then they put these ideas onto a bulletin board, and ask movie goers to take a look at the ideas and let them vote on which idea they find the most appealing.
I understand that making a movie is extremely difficult, and requires a lot of planning, communication, and funding. Just trying to find a way to resolve issues with modern films. As stated before, not trying to sound like a jerk.
Apologies for not making that clear in my previous comment.
They should also treat they're workers better to
the life of brian 2.0
Im sorry that they're always mocking Christianity, christians, white people, reason and logic this movie is just god awful and insults everyone of that time period i hope the people with actual intelligence stops this mess
The movie mocks black people, white people are always considered the people of the whole Bible. Black Israelites is for the first time correct. Modern Israel is not the real promised land. More demonic faking and only works if you've never read the Bible. The promised land is not a barren desert in Asia.
I loved the movie, but i don't expect certain people to get it at all. i'm cool with that. Peace and Blessings!
I agree that we should respect the beliefs of others but only the ones thst merit it
The first tike someone trusted that knowledge was greater than belief, we had the fall of Man in the Garden of eden.
Lawbringer became a pastor wth
It's RETARDED how people are given false notions and interpretations to scare people from enjoying this EXCELLENT movie. If you're put off from watching this movie based on what deceivers are telling you then you need to do something productive like reading a book for a change
The idolater on the Papal Throne is going to make a statement about this pile of crap, isn't he?
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Book of Clarence was a great movie. 🍿
science fiction!
"Jesus was a Muslim" - Muslims
"Jesus was Black!" - Blacks
"Jesus was White!" - Whites
"Jesus was Jewish" - Bible
"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father accept through me." -Jesus
I will always stand by who Jesus said he was...not who pop culture says he is.
@@RavenKnightYT A wise choice. Do not be loving the world nor the things in this world, since Satan is the god of this world and the "ruler of the kingdom of the air". Of the air as in "ON AIR" you might say, you can really feel he is broadcasting his spirit using entertainment. Sometimes subliminally, sometimes very openly.
"Jesus" was brown skinned. "Burned in a furnace" is very brown. The Israelites did a ton of mixing but once they left their captivity from Babylon, they started over and put their foreign wives away.
@@sambeezy007 His feet were glowing like bronze being heated in a furnace
That's a reference to the Temple entrance, not his skin color, you noob
At the end of the movie, Jesus raises Clarence from the dead and forgives him for being a false teacher.. interesting..then Clarence comes to Believe in Jesus! So maybe Clarence personifies loosely the false Christian teachers of our day,who make $$ from fake deceptive healing services and The Prosperity Gospel? They know Jesus wasn't Black,but Jewish,and are seeing this film as thought provoking fantasy,like What If The Bible was black characters,etc? They don't know The Lord,but maybe aren't trying to be openly blasphemous towards Jesus?
I think this gentleman sums it up far better than I do:
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I keep seeing this movie being advertised now I was born and raised being Roman Catholic, and usually I don’t mind about stuff like this but I got a really really bad vibe from this movie and I believe it’s work from the devil trying to undermine the lords name.
I would totally watch a Bible study series if you do one.
He couldn't teach me... He jumps the gun too quick!!!
Seems like a blacksplotation version of Life of Brian. The scammer trying to make it big is classic. Is probably going to flop considering how religious the black community is.
My only issue with your take is your concern with race. Thats not really an important point on the grand scheme of things. Jesus loves all so I wish everyone would stop being so hyperfocused on the race because the fact of the matter is blasphemy is blasphemy, whether you’re white-skinned, light-skinned, brown-skinned, or dark-skinned. Other than that I COMPLETELY agree with you.
The race issue matters only because:
1.) I care about historical authenticity.
2.) What reason is there to race swap if not for the purpose of an agenda? And if the agenda is the focus, that should be noted.
I appreciate your point, but I hope you understand why I say what I do
The question was is this movie based on a true story? The answer is "it's based on a true era"😢 this is how far we've come with cognitive dissonance😅 the proper response would have been "NO" it's fiction. There's something dark about Hollywood today and it's not got anything to do with skin color😈
Maybe base off
Okay I saw this movie and I thought it was funny and didn’t make fun of Jesus Christ and is one of the best movies made by Monty…oh wait wrong movie I was thinking of The Life of Brian,yeah I also watched the Book of Clarence and it was really offensive to Christianity and humanity as a whole
You might have realized it now but you made a small mistake in this video. John the baptist was beheaded in like the first year of Jesus' ministry so I dont think he would be there to expose him lol.
I double checked IMDB and that guy in the movie IS John the Baptist so...yeah.
@@RavenKnightYT Oh lol, well i hope the baptism scene takes place before Jesus dies, cause if not it would mean they didn't even do any historical research
John the Baptist? More like John the Blackest... I'll see myself out.
The real John the Baptist was black and had dread locks because he took the Nazerite vow. He was also the cousin of Jesus. Modern Jerusalem is not biblical Jersalem. The real one is in the mountains surrounded by mountains. Who would want to live in the dead waterless barren desert.
@@kimberlyyork100 No, the Israelites were not black. Neither were the Aztecs, or the Native Americans, or any other obviously non black peoples. Please stop trying to steal other people's heritages.
@@owlobsidian6965 African peoples have traveled the world and lived and traded among the Asiatic natives long before
The white skinned Europeans came. African DNA is the beginning of man, all the genetic diversity of man resides only in African peoples genes. White skin was the mark of the curse of leprosy in the Word. The story of the Exodus takes place in Africa. The Israelites had to pass for the ancient Egyptians and were often confused or compared to them. Modern Jews Genetically are a Turkish people with connections to the Kurt's and Armenians. They are converts to a religion. They look nothing like Egyptians which were a black ethnic group. It's the Bantus that have been robbed of our inheritance, culture and identity. But psalm 83 says that the nations would conspire to erase our memory from history of man and the self awareness of our identity due to the curse for failing to keep the covenant. It's prophetic that millions are waking up to the blinders that have been on our eyes for centuries. It's time for Yisrael to go home, the promised lands in Africa, the richest, most sought over real estate on earth.
@@kimberlyyork100like I said, the most sane black person, I wonder why people don’t like you
I think this is just another Blaxploitation Film.
People around this time with no air conditioner melon was way darker, sure may not been african but was dark skin that would be uncomfortable to alot stereotypical jews of today
That’s… a pretty ignorant argument. Lack of air conditioning has NOTHING to do with skin color. It’s not the heat. And while it wouldn’t be historically accurate (as Raven said, they’d look closer to olive-skinned), you could have VERY pale people living in the area just fine in that time period given how they usually dressed.
Tfw your air conditioner breaks and you start developing a tan
#relatable
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Maybe base off Black Hebrew Israelite
Also jews was also multicultural because they where invaded in mixed with many regions because of there breaking of the law. Only way you knew who was jew was there close connection to the torah and ancestral tree. I don't like this movie but It does bring up some concerns of the stereotype olive or white depictions anything so called lower in those pigments are considered so called heresy
That is COMPLETE nonsense. The whole POINT of the Jews was that they DIDN’T intermarry. It didn’t matter how many times they were conquered (not counting their time in Egypt, they were conquered by the Assyrians (northern tribes), Babylonians (southern tribes), Seleucids (see the Maccabean revolt; it’s where Hanukkah comes from), and Romans (technically it was more like being absorbed as a client state). They didn’t intermarry with anyone on a large scale (the whole reason the Samaritans were disliked is BECAUSE they did intermarry with other likely similarly colored peoples that had been dumped into the region by the Assyrians). Arguing that they would have been a rainbow of colors is arguing from ignorance. Even if they started out as a mix of hues, they would have, intermarrying amongst only themselves with few exceptions, eventually averaged out to a very limited band of skin coloration.
@@John-fk2ky not so, they did intermarry plenty & substantially. i don't have alot of patience to do the entire break down of how they biblically and historically intermarried. However, the hebrew or jewish people did marry many groups that were not from originally from the house of abraham Issac or Jacob lineage. Many either born into the camp or claimed jews either by faith (seeing how many outsiders sojourn with and accepted the circumcision, torah and belief through out many events in the bible). Some were even force converts like in king herods time. But way before that many began interbreeding since the community accepted foreigners. Abraham was a hebrew who believed God so any one in his camp was born was considered hebrew by bloodline. But Abraham had servents thats was given to him that were hebrew by affiliation and participated in the circumcision and began interbreed within his House or community, they are hebrew. This happened repeatedly in the bible. Little later down the line after the laws were given for forbidding certain groups, they still intermarried with these certain groups that God commanded them not to link with. Plus it was well known that many men married foreigners wives and had servents from other nations. Plus David and Solomon and many other people had wives especially Solomon with many women. Alot of them were from various places around Africa. But any case to assume that Jesus was olive skin or white is a popular assumption and not a fact. When it's a mélange. We actually have more biblical descriptions of Jesus fitting a darker complection more than assumption of olive skin. Even if we take certain elements of evolution your skin is a adaptive to an environment and if they been an hot region for a while that dna is recorded and passed down your pigment is result to change in the climate to be better suited. I'm sure Joseph and Mary was suited for the environment of there time. They didn't have AC or even equipment to keep them cool like we do today. Even Greeks had a very mixed groups of citizens and Greeks back then had complexities of various ppl whose melon at minimum was pushing to a tan. If anything I would assume a sizeable amount of Greeks had olive skin. The world is very colorful. Interesting that skin a subtractive element which mean darker tones represent many pigments like paint or mixing clay. It would make sense also that Jesus was darker as a representation of all creation, which personally believed to be true.
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Go back under your bridge.
If you haven’t seen the movie don’t comment from a place of ignorance, and if you got a problem with them being melanated you should keep that same energy with all of the movies that were made with all white people. Like gods of Egypt, the Ten Commandments, the passion of the christ. Etc! Everyone excepted those so expect this, if you don’t then just don’t watch it. But don’t bad mouth something you haven’t seen. 🤦🏾♂️
I ask you: what are trailers for? Are we not meant to analyze and judge trailers to help us understand what the movie will have? We often prejudge movies based on the trailer, so I'm more than capable of criticizing a trailer.
And as for the other portion of your argument? I do take issue with historical movies that white wash...but that's not the topic of this video. When a movie or show is released that white washed a group of people, I will criticize it too...but that's not what's happening here. You cannot pull a "what-about-ism" here when the alternative situation is not what's being talked about. It makes you look dismissive of a real issue simply because other sins exist. But this movie, Netflix's Cleopatra, Hamilton, and other recent historical dramas have black washed historical characters. I didn't mention those movies here either, because this movie is the topic of the video.
So...yeah, deal with it.
I’m going to be blunter than Raven. Are you really this ignorant? Gods of Egypt sucked on ten thousand fronts and was criticized in every aspect by someone, including on the casting choices (it’s also not a Bible movie, so I have no idea why you’re bringing it up). The Ten Commandments used a LOT of local Arabs as extras and used what actors they had at the time. The Passion of the Christ was in fact criticized for its casting choices. However, the two Biblical films did something that this movie does not: depict the events of the Bible with some level of accuracy.
Also, trailers are SUPPOSED to tell you what a movie is about, to convince you to go see it. This trailer gave the impression that the movie is a mixture of stupidity and blasphemy. If that is 100% inaccurate, go yell at the people who made the trailer. If it’s not, shut up.
@@John-fk2ky I don’t care what you think.🤣 you are that upset about a movie. You’re not even a real person. Be quiet and grow some balls. Stop hiding behind a shadow account BOY!!!
@@87KHarris "BOY!!!" proceeds to make videos about grown men singing poems to each other.
@@RavenKnightYT yeah, you’re entitled to your own opinion just like everyone one else. But the difference between you and a real critic is that they actually watch the movie before critiquing, not the trailer!
At this rate, they will make Adam and Eve black
The first humans were black. All the oldest genes are in black people in Africa. Eve was a black woman. White skin was the mark of the curse of leprosy.
@@kimberlyyork100the first humans were white
@@Korvinian4601 The genetics show that all the genetic variety of mankind is in black people's genes. We were the first original people and all ethnic groups in the bible would be black. The genetic scientists say that white skin is actually a malfunction inherited from Neandertals and other issue that fail to produce melanin. In the bible, white skin was the mark of those with leprosy. Also, white skinned people can ONLY produce white skinned people. They could never be the first people because they can not reproduce what they do not have.
@@kimberlyyork100 gonna keep repeating yourself? If white people have a genetic disease why are they successful? Sounds counterintuitive at your part
This didn't age well.
Meh. To quote Walt Bismarck:
"Mom says my runestones make me a lunatic.
But you'll never see me worship a Semite on a stick!"
Did you know that the gladiators were slaves? and...
...relevance? Like...what does that have to do with anything?
Where does it say "Jesus" had olive skin...? The book I read said skin of bronze and hair of wool... Only a certain demographic of people fit this description...
Oh thank you for asking. Here, I'll help.
In Revelations 1:14-15 it says "The hair of His head was white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were like a blazing fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters."
Now the first thing to note is it says his hair was white like wool. All this proves is his hair is white. And there are people of various races that can meet that description. And it says he feet were like polished bronze. Now, I would highly recommend google imagine polished bronze, and you'll see it's a gold like color.
But let's leave all that alone and look at the rest of the descriptors: Where it says "eyes like a blazing fire,' and 'his voice was like the roar of many waters.' I don't know any demographics that meet those descriptions. This is because this is not representative of Jesus in a human form but rather a divine form, which does not know demographics. A lot of the book of Revelation is simile and metaphor. We cannot know Jesus's ethnicity from Revelation alone.
HOWEVER, we can guess at the Jewish peoples demographic description from other verses in the Bible:
Song of Solomon 7:4 "Your neck is like a tower of ivory. Your eyes are like the pools in the city of Heshbon, near the gate of that great city.Your nose is as lovely as the tower of Lebanon that stands guard at Damascus."
The important portion here is the male speaker describing his female lover as having a neck like an ivory tower. Ivory is often described as a fair or lighter complexion than what is typical of the demographic of the African nations.
Psalm 45:2 "Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever."
This verse is often thought to be referring to Jesus himself, though we can't be sure. However, it describes the person as 'fairer than the children of men,' this implies a fairness in complexion.
Now granted, both Song of Solomon and Psalms use analogies and metaphors like Revelation does, but what this proves is that we can't be 100% sure of Jesus's demographic based on any specific verses. However, based on Roman texts and history of the Jews at the time of the first century, we can guess that the Jewish people were likely Lebanese, who were often olive or slightly tanned in skin tone. A good example would likely be the way he is depicted in The Chosen.
And if you read this far, I'm very impressed. Haha! I know, it's a very difficult subject to touch on. But something to keep in mind is that mortal demographics that we have today (white, black, hispanic, asian etc.) are all earthly labels and criteria we have created. They have no meaning to God, which is why they are never referenced specifically in the Bible. While I will admit that I can't know Jesus's true ethnicity when he was in a mortal form, I highly doubt it was of the African demographic or the Caucasian demographic. Likely more along the lines of a Middle Eastern persuasion. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
You’ve praised other depictions of Jesus as Caucasian in movies like passion of the Christ and Jesus of Nazareth after stating that you’re aware that Jesus was very likely not white, but you come across a little more upset at his depiction in this movie.
Honestly, despite your religious rhetoric you seem like just another person who is upset at so called race swapping for mostly fictional characters.
The movie is clearly fiction and your ire at a trailer for a movie you had not yet seen does not seem genuine. “John the Baptist is described as unkempt “ when David Oyelowo is clearly not keeping a well groomed beard and isn’t even called John the Baptist.
Stop hiding behind religion, and say you don’t like a story told in the time of Jesus acted by black people. We’d respect you more.
@@MideXIII
So firstly, when I praise the depictions of Jesus in The Passion of the Christ or Jesus of Nazareth, I was referring not to their skin tone but to the motivation of the film. In those films, the motivation was glorifying Jesus and his message. I never said that they were properly shown as the proper race of Jesus. You assume I'm okay with it, but I'm not. I would also say that Jesus is not white, but when I praised those depictions, race was not a factor. You'll note that I only brought up race in the beginning and ending of the video...there was far more to this video than just that argument. So let's be fair here. On that note, I also praised the portrayal of Jesus in The Chosen, but I didn't mention his race there, even though his race there is far more accurate. So...sorry.
You say 'despite my religious rhetoric,' but that was the crux of the video...I did not spend a great deal of time on the race aspect...I talked at length about VARIOUS other things...you seem to just be handwaving those away to sell your case, and that's very disingenuous.
You bring up the John the Baptist point...except...he actually is John the Baptist in the movie. I checked IMDB and he is playing John the Baptist. Here's a link to prove it: www.imdb.com/title/tt22866358/
Now, as for the 'unkempt' portion. The Bible describes John like 'a man of the wild,' and an untrimmed beard does not equal 'a man of the wild.' But again...you're fixating on a very small portion of the video...what about the rest of the 'religious rhetoric' you're choosing to overlook?
And finally, with respect, I don't believe you. If I came out and said 'I think this movie is bad because it portrays black people in the time of Jesus, and that's all,' I think you'd call me a racist anyway because that's all that matters to you. You yourself admitted you aren't concerned about my 'religious rhetoric,' and you (like so many others) fixate on the race point, because it's not about the religion to you...it's not about the message of Jesus or the blaspheme on display...it's about seeing your race sensationalized in a Biblical movie, and so long as you have that, you're happy. Anyone who dares to criticize the movie, right or wrong, religious or not, must be racist to some degree.
Friend, I am going to give you a lovely video from "What Do You Meme" who breaks down the full blaspheme and danger of this movie completely: ua-cam.com/video/fVz_wuuqBNE/v-deo.html
Now, if you can get past his 'religious rhetoric,' you might actually begin to see the arguments being made against this movie that have nothing to do with race...
But thank you for your comment all the same.
I, and a lot of people in your comments are focused on race because it’s laced through out the entirety of your video. You go as far to speak on black peoples’ behalf at the end of the video. You can’t blame people who think your criticism truly lies in the race of the characters when you are a dissecting a trailer of a fictional character, that is not even Jesus Christ. Frankly your basis for the entire video is flawed. You hadn’t watched the movie and had no idea how it would be handled. No one likes race swapping, and it is criticized by the majority when it is warranted. This is a fictional take of a character in the time of Jesus. I don’t believe this is one of those times.
Let me be clear as day: I made this video not just because of race swapping the people of the Bible, including Jesus, but also because of the Biblically inaccurate and blasphemous takes the movies has, as well as the very inappropriate motivations of the director and Jay Z. If you don't like MY take, then again, I encourage you to watch the video I sent you who breaks it down even better than I did and explains the hidden agenda and blasphemy involved in this movie (and not only does he barely bring up race, but What Do You Meme is a black man himself).
You yourself KNOW that I was not JUST talking about race throughout this video, as you told me to stop hiding behind 'religious rhetoric.'
I criticized this trailer for MANY things, not just race. You know this to be true, or you're being willfully ignorant to that fact. Like the scene when the Romans demanded Clarence walked on water. Race was not mentioned. The scene when Clarence said 'knowledge is stronger than beliefe,' race was not brought up. The obvious false miracles, race was not brought up, so please do not insult your intelligence or mine by pretending like that's my only criticism.
You're right, I didn't watch the movie, but what is the purpose of a trailer if not to introduce us to a movie and engage us? A trailer hints at the quality and content of a movie...we're MEANT to judge a movie based on the trailer...so saying 'you haven't seen the movie yet,' is a poor argument, because I don't need to see the movie to draw conclusions from a trailer alone. But, leaving that aside, looking at the box number results for the movie, and several online reviews? I can draw a very good conclusion...in fact I sent you a review.
You say that nobody likes race swapping...but then you add on a conditional: "...it is criticized by the majority when it is warranted." Is it really? Well then wouldn't this be a fine place to do it? After all, you have not stated that my claim was false...you seem aware that the Jews of Jesus's day were not African black...and your primary defense is that it's a fictional story. So...if fiction is the only qualifier to allow for race swapping, then surely race swapping is acceptable as long as the story told is fictional...well...I hope you're ready for the backlash of that criteria. It means that various fictional stories and movies can now easily race swap characters without consequences. So long as that's okay on your end, then I'll accept that criticism.
You end by saying "This is a fictional character told in the time of Jesus." Yes, but Jesus, Thomas, Judas, John the Baptist, Mary, and other real historical individuals from Jesus's day are in it, and they are also race swapped. They are not fictional characters...so your argument is flawed.
As I said, I won't be responding again. I hope you will watch the video I sent you and I hope it opens your eyes. This has been an enlightening conversation.
Welp, this didn’t age well
Nope. According to the reviews I've seen, I'm right on the money. A film that starts trying to be a comedy, then takes a turn towards the blasphemous.
@@RavenKnightYT did you seen the movie? I have and it’s not mocking Jesus nor it’s blasphemous. It’s nothing satanic about it as well. The movie is like Ben Hur meets Friday.
@@neakisme I'm glad you liked it. I have no interest in giving it my money. I'll stick with the reviews.
@@neakisme wrong. If you pay attention to the details, it’s actually pretty heretical. Of course, a lot of people miss things because it sounds “about right” and don’t think it all the way through.
He didn't slap Clarence... He slapped his friend of whom was smoking. What does that say about you Mr. Olive???
Ah, so he slapped his friend who was smoking. Alright, I misunderstood that scene. My bad.
...but that doesn't change any of my points about the show.
And who is Mr. Olive? Are you trying to insult me or something?
@@RavenKnightYT Yes sir... I am. You haven't seen the movie and are making all these one-sided subliminal remarks. Back then, people in that area were "black-black" after years of wars, rape, etc... the middle east has the complection that it has now. Please study your history when you take a break from reading the bible.
If your brain exploded...would it even mess up your hair?
@@RavenKnightYT say what!!! 😮
@theprofessional_ACH Your comment, by your own admission, was just meant to insult me. So I have now returned that in kind. I do not engage in intellectual discussions with those who jump to insults first.
You and I could have had a dialogue about the historical truth of ethnicity in the middle east from not only European, but also Egyptian, Persian, and various Mediterranean sources INCLUDING the Bible. But no. You instead began by insulting me (as you admitted), and then told me to please study MY history (I suppose you mean white history or 'olive' history?) when I take a break from reading the Bible. You've dismissed the core issues I took with this trailer, you focused hard on my own race as an insult, and you feel no shame in it.
So I have repaid you with no less kindness than you showed me.
Good day.
As a cheerful heretic, this is just so...boring. Maybe it's because I come about my own views from a different direction and just wants to be left alone, I don't get mocking the believers like this. It's trying so hard yet trying so little. It's easy to mock Christianity and then saying money please, and it pays, but eventually it won't. Eventually the same joke told a thousand times won't bring in the edgy teenage atheists and muslims. And they won't ever bring in the heretics like me because I find the one sided nonsense toothless. Ok, you lack the courage to mock Allah because you'd die (yet claim Christians are the most dangerous religious group...somehow). Fine, what about the Zoastrians? ...No? You have nothing? What about the atheists? You're...part of them so no go there. Jewish people? You...only want to protest them and wish them death in those protests. Going to make fun of any other religion? Not going to do that?
That's ultimately my problem with all that. The heresy isn't earned fairly. It's not because of feelings of beetrayal like mine. It's not looking at injustice and being soured, it's not for any reason except pure, weak greed. It's in a place of pure cowardice and banal desire for cash. You can say I'm no better, and I would likely agree, but at the end of the day, I don't wave a banner in your face and then whine if you reject me.
Jesus wouldn't have been a name either. 😂
I gave the historical origins of Clarence and why that is a shit name for this time period.
I'd give you the historical origins of Jesus, but your type don't really like to be educated.
You do realize that Jesus is just an English localization of Yeshua, right?
@@John-fk2ky you do realize you don't have to translate names. They're two different names. But I'm not here to argue about it. Believe how you see fit.
@@John-fk2ky and Joshua is close to Yeshua not Jesus
It's not blasphemy, it's comedy. Where were you and your judgement when George Burns played God? Religion does not belong to a select few, it belongs to all of us with our interpretation. Judge grifter ministers who have used religion to get rich. What did Jesus say about the rich?
The classic what-about-ism.
I don't know anything about George Burns playing God. I certainly don't approve of ministers who use religion to get rich. But none of that is relevant to what this trailer is.
You are trying to side step the criticisms of this trailer by trying to point at irrelevant topics.
You say it's a comedy? Okay...where were the jokes? I saw ONE joke...and it wasn't funny. Where's the laughs? I saw none.
He said don't make it all about the money. He didn't say don't be rich .
This narrator do not know scripture. The chosen people were black.
You lack Biblical evidence.
I would not listen to you or Jay to talk about color should not have been mentioned when all movies that came out were all white stick to the subject
WTH are you trying to say?
No Jesus had hair like wool and feet the color of burnt brass ! It’s in your bible! Geez. Not Lebanese. Nothing against the Lebanese people.
That's in the book of Revelation when Jesus is described appearing in glory. And it describes him using metaphor and simile. We cannot know that is how he physically looked in his mortal form. But you'll note the Bible never mentions his skin color. Why would Revelation just say it?
I’m just going to come out and say it: People think the book of Clarence is blasphemous because the movie portrayed the Israelites to be black including Jesus and his disciples are all brown and not white
That's not the only reason, but I suppose that is a point of contention as well.
@@RavenKnightYT Just think if Jay-Z and director Jeymes Samuel was to tell a story about Jesus and it's a black man the movie would be shut down completely by hollywood. Plus it can't be blasphemous when Clarence is not calling himself Jesus of Nazareth but this movie is more so a senerio telling you that there were people who desired to have powers like Christ just to help their people which is technically gifts of the spirt that I learned at a university
@@ztv1990 It was very obvious he wants to pretend to be a new Messiah so he can have Jesus's fame. And we see him making a profit off of it. He's not doing it to "help" anyone. In fact we blatantly see him fake a miracle on his friend to deceive people. Plus he calls himself the "new Messiah." That is blatant blaspheme and the Holy Spirit would not work through him if he was saying such things. Even Paul and Peter did not refer to themselves as Messiahs.
@@RavenKnightYT did you actually look at the interview? we don't know what happens to him through out the movie which is why they tell you to go see it before you pass judgement. I have a video I did even explaining it
ua-cam.com/video/mHnoytgc6MM/v-deo.htmlsi=vbuFDliQF5g1G8Ni
How are you so but hurt over a trailer 😂
Oh? I thought I explained my issues pretty well in the video...but I guess I can't expect everyone in the world to listen.
It's fiction, bro...
Oh right. Yeah. I forgot. We can't criticize bad fiction writing, especially when it's historical fiction telling about a real historical era involving real historical people. Yup. That makes sense.
@@RavenKnightYT it's not bad writing at all. You just don't have the cultural competence to understand what it is you watched. And that's ok. It's also okay not to like a film for whatever reason you choose. But have real reasons and communicate them effectively. You can dislike the periodical inaccuracies. You can dislike a particular actor's performance. You can disagree with the premise, or themes of the film. But to just say "bad writing" is an ineffectual trope, with no real meaning other than I don't have the words to explain what I don't like about the script, or story. Like me for instance, I say the film is brilliant. I can back up that statement by saying that I think the film is wonderfully acted, that its main character is sympathetic and easy to identify with. I can say that I loved the cinematography and felt immersed in the period because of the location, set design, and wardrobe. I can say that one of the underlying themes of the film, the fact that activities and issues we think of as 'modern' are thousands of years old, resonated with me deeply... Of course, I could nitpick. And ask questions that need no answer to poke holes in film (how'd the Romans know of Jesus walking on water, as if an apostle wasn't an informant, a small logical leap ) or worse, ask questions that the film literally answers. Like yours about the pharasees. They were right there, staring down from on high, as Clarence was persecuted. But all that to say, I can tell you why I like the film. Without relying on vague phrasing, dog whistles, or tropes. Because I understood what I was watching. And thoroughly enjoyed it. Peace and blessings.
So just to be clear: Your first comment said "It's fiction bro..." which implies that your issue with my video is that I'm criticizing a fictional story. I responded pointing out the obvious problem: That fiction is not free from criticism when it's bad.
Realizing that your first comment didn't go over well, you decide to change tactics by first saying I lack the cultural competence to understand what I'm watching...which I find humorous by the way. What culture am I not competent in? I've been a long time student and scholar on Biblical and Roman history...so you must mean black culture, right? Cute. But you are aware there are black students of history and the Bible who didn't like the movie either right? I'll provide a link to one of them if you like.
You follow up by saying I'm free to like or dislike whatever I want for whatever reason I want. Thank you for your permission, but I did not require it. You even lay out things I'm free not to like...many of those things are ones I brought up in the video...which I notice you aren't harping on me on. So...what was I wrong about? As a matter of fact, throughout the whole video, I don't think I once brought up the writing quality. I was addressing the Biblical and Historical inaccuracies. You say it's wrong of me to accuse the film of bad writing because it means I don't have words to say to describe what's wrong with the story. Well...that's not true, is it? I laid out a lot of problems with the story and film in the video. They were about the historical and theological accuracy of the film as displayed in the trailer. In fact, if we want to talk about lazy responses: Your first comment to me was "It's fiction, bro..." that's a prime example of what you're accusing me of. :)
Next you lay out all the things you think are great about the film by saying:
*I say the film is brilliant. I can back up that statement by saying that I think the film is wonderfully acted, that its main character is sympathetic and easy to identify with. I can say that I loved the cinematography and felt immersed in the period because of the location, set design, and wardrobe. I can say that one of the underlying themes of the film, the fact that activities and issues we think of as 'modern' are thousands of years old, resonated with me deeply...*
You'll note that most of your defenses of the film come down to your personal takes. How you love the cinematography and were immersed in the period and you resonated with the theme. But that's YOUR take...not the objective quality of the film.
You then go after me for nitpicking the historical issues. Dude...that's the objective quality. I'm sorry that historical criticism offended you. You try to use the example that an apostle could have told the Romans. This is not historically sound as the apostles had no reason to tell the Romans, and the story of Jesus walking on water was not revealed in the gospels until after Jesus's death...and seeing as Jesus is alive in the film, this would not have been the case. I would say you don't have the historical competence to understand what you're criticizing.
I'm glad you liked what you were watching and you enjoyed it...but weren't you the one who started with: "It's fiction, bro...?" So why do you care? It's just fiction 'bro.' Why get upset? If you disagree with my take, then disagree. Why get so upset? Why be so mad? You like the film? Great. I never said you couldn't like it. But I don't like it. I laid out my reasons. You're the one who tried to defend it with a lazy 'it's just fiction, bro,' response. So before you go telling me I'm lazy for attacking it's writing, note your own hypocrisy 'bro.'
Peace and blessings.
so it's okay to make a serious movie insulting your culuture and ways with outright lies and bad takes whilst trying to be taken seriously?
you probably draw the line somewhere evidenced by your complaint so I must ask when do you think it's okay to complain?
I assume it's the same bar as raven just in a different direction to which I say, hypocrite
@@marley7868 the first question is literally just "You think serious movies should be serious?"
Who are you to tell us what black people would like?
Can you clarify that statement? Are you referring to my previous reply to you, or something I said in the video? If it's something I said in the video, could you supply a time stamp so I can provide context?
If it's in response to my reply to you, then let me ask: Who are you to tell me that ALL black people would respect me more for saying what you want me to say? You don't speak for all black people any more than I do.
I've already been called racist numerous times for this video, despite the race issue only being a small portion of the video itself, so I highly doubt that if I just made the race issue my ONLY criticism, it would make any difference.
Thanks for confirming the skin color of Jesus because you know him personally seen him with your own eyes don't forget he was white all your life this is a movie
Thanks for confirming you didn't listen to the video, because I never called Jesus white. I said he was Lebanese.
But...I'd hate to disagree with you. After all....."you know him personally, seen him with your own eyes, don't forget he was black all your life, this is a movie."
1. You didn’t watch the video.
2. You are a moron.
just seach up galilee jews
HATER!!!!!
You wrong false preacher, they were black back then and we are black today.
If you care more about what they look like than what they contributed you have your priorities in the wrong place.
DAYM! Can you by any chance share with me Pastor Caire's phone number?
U kkk to 😂
I would highly recommend taking an English course.
English motherfucker, do you speak it?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites#:~:text=Rabbis%2C%20on%20the%20other%20hand,to%20Egyptian%20and%20Assyrian%20inscriptions.
Thank you for linking me that quote. :) Did you read the portion that came before the part you highlighted? Or did that part not suit your argument?
*"In terms of appearance, the Hebrew Bible records figures, such as David, Esau and the lovers in the Song of Songs, as being "ruddy",[102][103] "white and ruddy" and "clear as the moon",[104][105] which aligned with descriptions of Levantine phenotypes in ancient Egyptian and Greek sources.[106][107][108][109][110]"*
Interestingly enough, the portion that you left out actually has more citations than the one you offered....so....it seems you are omitting information. ^^ Thanks for your time.
@@RavenKnightYT I was referencing in general and thought it was in agreement with you. The highlight was done by the page, not myself.
And yes ....I read it all.