Record Setting Stock Engine Big Turbo 1.8T
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- We push the stock engine big turbo MK4 1.8T further than I had ever excepted. I believe now from our research this is the highest horsepower stock engine 1.8T...EVER! However we know the world is a big place and the 1.8T 20v has been around for over 20 years so If you know of any others who've made more we'd be to see the data, so please hit us up. ***Keep in mind this is an AWP engine with the smaller 19mm wristpin and small port head, stock intake manifold and throttle body. This is not the stronger 20mm, big port 1.8T.
What a ride this has been and it's clearly not finished yet.
For those just joining in we decided to piece together a turbo kit and test out just how much power we can make in this clapped out MK4 called 18HoopT. Entire playlist of how we got to this point is here • 1.8T Stock Engine Big ...
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Stock unopened 1.8t longblock (valve cover to oil pan was unopened).
Stock intake manifold, stock throttle body.
ECU Master EMU Black with PnP adapter harness
Turbo GTX3582
Custom Manifold
870cc Injectors
E98 Fuel
Dual Bosch 044 Pumps
ECUMASTER EMU BLACK PNP 1.8T AWP/AWW
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All I can do is shake my head.
Careful you don't get dizzy and fall over,I've done that. 😄
All i can say is... 1.8t nevar lose! haha love it
Did you guys actually see the rods in that engine, that it is the vw cheese rods?
@@marcelclaassen9478 we didn't open it as we didn't want people questioning anything. The long block is exactly as we bought it for $400cdn. The car didn't even have a tune. When it's broke we'll tear it down.
Make a cope of this file save it and send it my way!!!! Dave
Unfriggin believable guys! I'm gonna go ahead and revive some dead, 15 year old VWvortex 1.8t threads.
The tuning master has done it. Well done Dave!
You’ve done us 20v crew proud. Such great work, pure milestone!
Appreciate the comments.
That's an insane power level on a stock 1.8 😳
Awesome tuning! Keep up the good work!
Thanks
The trans cant be happy
I’ve said it for so many years.. big turbo 1.8t’s are un stoppable.. I had a stock block 1.8t make 440whp for 8 years no problem.. this is VW to the core !!! Good job guys and congrats on the power numbers !!
Thanks
Woah, what setup is this? Thanks
@@georgecollins2347 there's a video we did like a month ago covering exactly that.
How many miles u got cuz im tryna buy one but have 159k and i really dont know about this car
@@angelrivera1598 this heap has 211k miles.
That's the flattest, smoothest turbo graph i think ive ever seen. thats almost as impressive as the raw numbers it produces. wow
Wow!!! 500+ whp on a completly stock motor!!!! Insane job. Most people should realize by now RODS are only needed for rhe TQ numbers , the rest of the motor from Throttle body to exhaust port outlets can produce these amazings numbers....No cams , No TB, No intake, No pistons SALUTE GUYS!!!.
550+ actually😯
@@jekaconstantinov6027 incredible numbers you would be a fool to put anything more than rods with most hp numbers below the 550 mark 🤔
Its all in tuning, and how the tq comes in , tq spike kills rods ;) , linear tq = good
@@ariza034 absolutely correct I'm just amazed at the fact that everything was STOCK and still pushed over 550whp. Verifying that you need nothing but rods, correct turbo and tune for these numbers with no other modifications....such as TB , manifold, large port head, cams , ect salute to @comotorsports proving this. Amazing tuning guys
@@PVW4EVER so a fully built could probably get 700-?800
The engine always runs it best right before it goes bang! 🤣 Well done guys!
Wow I'm very impressed! Wishing now that I should've kept my old mk4 1.8t 😭
Wow wow wow that’s all I can say !!!
- I can’t believe the rods are holding out.
I think there’s more bhp left in there 👍🏻👌🏼
Best rollercoaster episode so far had me on the edge of my sofa watching this 😂
Love to see this 600hp stock long block is gonna blow my mind !! 2.0 8v Aba gotta be next. Keep it up gentleman 🤙🏼
It would be cool to see what these guys could do with an 8v
Awesome video. Really goes to show how good tuning can make an engine take more power than you’d expect. If the boost was ramped up quick those rods would have been done well before 400tq. Amazing tuning Dave! Also love how rowdy the 1.8T sounds.
Thanks. 👍
This is phenomenal. Truly shows how good quality these motors are. As far as your tuning, you definitely know what your doing! 😮 when I saw 566 I fell off my chair. I daily a 1.8t and would never think 500+hp from some bolt ons and tuning. I’d love to see a video on a 2.7t being pushed like this.
Thanks, but It ended up making more than that. 😉
Amazing series! And now I feel sick. I've been stockpiling all the usual mods to build a killer ATC 1.8T this summer...you know...valves, cams, lifters, springs, etc...and also looking at forged internals. Now this 18HoopT comes along and shows that I could have saved my money. Way to go CO Motorsports and fantastic tuning - 566 hp.
You made the right call. This is a ticking timebomb I assure you.
it just goes to show that having a good tuner and ECU setup, goes a long.....longgggg way
@@theflukey4114 👍
That's awesome guys!!! Congrats. I hope my 1.8t reaches similar numbers, although not completely stock. Rods, springs, retainers, ARP head studs, and ring gap.
I'd say just keep pushing to see what the final number is before it blows, but I'm not the one that has to do the clean up lol...
Makes me feel stupid for getting rod for my 1.8T when I'm only looking for 350ish hp!
@@4BillC whats stupid? most tuners here in europe wont push it over 400nm on the flywheel if it doesnt have rods .
@@4BillC Just call it insurance. Not a stupid move at all.
@@cmattdabrat that's pretty much why I'm doing it. Good luck with your build...
@@cmattdabrat heyy Matty!!! Get your cruise on dyno quicker!
That is crazy impressive! Obviously, it won't live there forever, but cool to see it handle so many passes over 500!
Agreed
@CO Motorsports on a side note, I tried to buy a hoodie and it wouldn't let me pay by PayPal. Currently, my only option, lol
@@JD-rq7il what's that? Few errors in there and not sure exactly what you're saying.
@@COMotorsports my bad, drinking at the moment, lol. Paypal doesn't seem to be working on your checkout. I'm trying to buy a hoodie, and it won't bring up the Paypal page when I hit the Paypal button.
@@JD-rq7il Hmm there should be no problems. First up thanks, be sure to go through the checkout until the end and chose PayPal. If it doesn't work then just send us an email and we'll make it happen.
Absolutely unbelievable..... This motor is from another world!
I knew that 1.8t is a strong motor but that what u did here is beyond my imagination.
Amazing job, just amazing!
We're still amazed as well.
What a beast of an engine!!! I am surprised I'm not gonna lie.
Congrats y’all, this is a big milestone!
Dear god that would be so much fun to drive while it runs 😂
Only problem is real world driving doesn't always equate to how the dyno runs, so with more load, it may blow on the first street run
@@JD-rq7il true that. The rolling resistance for a dyno probably isn’t the same as a road. Even still though, this was amazing getting this power out of less than a 2l bottle of displacement lol
All credit to the Tuner for keeping that thing together This is insane👌👌
I know I’ve seen in the forums back in the day some guy claimed like 450-500whp and had posted the dyno results with it and the build he did believe it was a b5 A4 1.8t fwd though but, this definitely proves what these things can handle I love the work you did good job man and sweet build
I do know of one that made 461whp. But that's as high as I've found. The B5 engine had a bit stronger engine and larger ported head and manifold but still haven't found any above this.
This is crazy!!!! STOCK BLOCK! You guys are totally tuning my 1.8t when my big turbo build is fully done
🇨🇦🍁 Tim Hortons runs with these mk4s are getting serious these days. Great work guys.
Fingers crossed for the rods and fourth gear.
Much appreciated.
My mind is blown! Have I forged my 1.8t for nothing over here 😬🤣🤣
I've never been so glued to a video. Awesome work guys!
Appreciate it. 👍
This is why I've learned to only trust your content. The way you manipulate the maps to make them do what you want is simply amazing, almost magical.
Appreciate that.
This guy is the VAG/Canadian version of Brent from PFI Speed/BoostedBoiz.....crazy great enthusiasm.
What to do? More cam, more turbo!
Lol thanks.
holy crap YES that is AWESOME lol i was waiting for that thing to BLOWW on the 5th run after 500hp . makes my stock 1.8t look like the sibling that didn't excel in life. keep up the magic yall
Just goes to show how much a good tune really matters.
That's impressive. Definitely surpassed my expectations and I'm sure a lot more folks as well. Holding together quite well and the numbers on OEM parts speaks for itself! Great work! 👍👍
Not even a fucking valve tap! Motor is super quiet still amazing tuner man! Pays off to know your stuff.
@@michaelwenstrup8737 absolutely. The valvetrain sounds damn quiet lol. I'm sure the majority of people thought there would be a rod sticking out of the block. Keeping the torque as low as possible and really letting the boost come on easily and without a spike was probably the contributing factor to keeping it together. Great job tuning for sure😁👍
This is legendary stock 1.8T engine performance with 350T/kms on clock. They don,t build engines like this...anymore:)
Dude, the look on your face is like pure joy, or terror. Love it
Sort of both yeah. lol
I am half way through the video, puckered this whole time.
This is insane you guys, good job honestly I’m quite damn surprised this thing put down that much power an torque stock.🤙🏼
Thanks us too
You guys are having fun and I’m glad I’m along for the ride.
Looks like I’ll have to make the 2,300 mile trip for some tuning 😂
Congrats from 🇵🇷 Puerto Rico
great tunning, I'm holding my breath with every pull without fast-forwarding the video. I would be happy driving it at 350-400 whp for longevity. In this day and age, there is always someone going to walk you, and thats enough fun in a car that size with hopefully an LSD. Well done sires.
Exciting video, i would say lets go for 600hp and stop there, for next series i would like to see a 2.8L VR6 either 12v or 24v.
Love it! Hope I can get my MK6 to 400 this year. Just need the turbo and should be there. GREAT VIDEO. Best yet!!!
OMG this was another awesome video, when it changes camera to that under the car i thought it will blow up :D it is insane. great
i think that motor has earned a good service and some love after that beating but i have to say well done !!!
😯 I'm so impressed and happy for y'all. This video will have millions of views one day. I know it. I'm pulling for you! Thank you for all of your hard work and knowledge!
Edit: are you guys planning on taking this to the track?! 🤞🤞
Thanks, the stock drivetrain wants none of this power at the track.
linear power appears to be the key and whoever tuned this thing is pretty good. Now let's see what it does in the quarter haha
It would leave the transmission on the starting line.
Amazing...... great tuner still can't believe it good job
Me either. Lol
I wish I could give 10000 thumbs up!
Me too lol
True testament to Dave’s tuning knowledge/ability. This is beyond what anyone expected. This makes me wonder if the motor is truly stock inside? Maybe the car once wasn’t a hooptie? Like Dave, don’t even know what to think besides tearing it down and seeing the condition of the internals?
It didn't even have a tune on it. But we'll be sure to look it all over once inside parts become outside parts. 😁
@@COMotorsports That sounds like the better option actually :-). Send away!!
Awesome series. Crazy engine. You guys did really good 👍
Appreciate it
I know this is an old video, but you guys should have torn the engine down and measured it to determine what is making it such a strong motor. Awesome video.
Watch the entire series. We made a lot more power than this and we tear it down.
Tuning is definitely an Art. Awesome video!!
Appreciate it.
Wow woow ...wtf...
500+NM thats is insane... I believe that this videos will be even more appriciated when you open that engine and let viewer see what rods are inside.
Keep making more videos ...
Good job guys 🍻😁
Thank you!
Keep going Mr. Kramer....
In all seriousness, maybe you guys should tear it apart for inspection. I mean anyone could have blown it up...
It is obvious Mr. Withrow knows "a bit" about SAFELY tuning a 1.8T.
Great Job!!!!
(shaking my head @ 40 psi)😵💫
Full teardown once it gives the ghost
"NOW THATS A STAR TREK" -SNL 😂😂😂😂😂552HP 17:25
I would say just run it as it is and see how long it will last. Great videos!
What a reputation you guys are creating. Amazing power guys!💪🏽
Thank you so much 😀
Loved the video!!
I tune stock motor Type R the same way.
The later you make torque the safer it is.
Congrats cause I was waiting for it to blow up lol.
Thanks.
no words!! only see what a 1.8t can do men, best vag motor at the date.
You sure do know what you're doing. Keep it up.
Thanks.
this gives me hella hope for my 1.8t aeb a4
Imagine if this was the early agu engine with large port head and stronger internals it would make even more power 😂💪💪 I'd happily give you my 99 gti agu to send to the moon if I didn't live across the pond. Its on 220 thousend miles with 300hp and still runs like new.
well if they could get there hands on a early APX with 20mm gudgeon pin would take more boost and torque
definitely need to rip it on the street when the snow thaws.
It will be broke by then
Haven't watched it yet, but already so stoked!
Love this , i wanna see more video like when u was in the snow 🔥🔥🔥
Great video! Loved watching the bewilderment on your face!
I'm still baffled
Love the videos
Hi... Good to see and now to know real figures on these engines. I've always been looking for real figures and always got mixed reviews on what people think it's capable of. I'm building a 1.8t but with a 2.0l tfsi crank and the works.
What I've noticed is that the boost comes on gradually to not create a spike in torque. Many people cannot overcome that problem and that is how rods stay inside the engine. Another thing to add is that there is a point where you can flaw it without worrying about Bending a rod because the engine is basically 200-450 rpms within its safe zone of boost plus you have lots of traction at that point so the vehicle can only move forward quickly without much wheel spin, that is why you don't see much mildly modified cars flawring it from a stand still because of the torque issue and therfore do a rolling run on the highway.
Thanks for the video much appreciated. Oh and if I'm wrong let me know.
Controlling torque is how it's lasted.
@@COMotorsports I was thinking... It would be nice to see a top speed run on the dyno just to see if it could work if it were to be driven like hard but smooth and flat out. Do you think it would be possible?
That's awesome gives me some motivation to build my mk1 tt
Dave: "it's so nervous in here right now"
Clayton: "try being outside"
Dave: "you're not right next to the engine!" Man so many good quotes every episode, you need to expand your merch line!
Thanks. Ideas?
I was just teasing, meaning that quote should go on a t-shirt 🤠
Oh man there's so many per episode, I'll get back to ya!
So when will the 18hoopT sticker be available for all the bad bois running high horsepower on a stock block 1.8t? :)
We've thought about it. It's coming up with a design.
This man is the MK4 guru 💪🏾❤️💯
Awesome content once again. I’m lucky my timing belt job came out right. 1.8t of course. Great job guys. Thanks.
Holy shit man!! Whatta crazy video deff ass clinching for sure well done bud! Deff going big turbo my 1.8
You forgot to say don't try this at home... Now I have to try
Have at it. 😉
You're a legend! Sell the world record tune on your website! All of us guys will buy it just for fun. I don't even own a 1.8t and I think it would be cool to have.
lol, for sale. :)
@@COMotorsports trade you a mint condition 97 civic lx stock even electric windows locks and AC still work.
@@spankthemonkey3437 Thanks, but no thanks.
@@COMotorsports come on i got fresh rod bearings dnj brand be the first to break 450 whp on stock d16y7🤣
@@COMotorsports you're probably saving me a lot of heartbreak anyway😆
I just bought an 02 GTi 1.8T (my first boosted car)🇨🇦🍁 hoopty.. great shape.. looking to make more powahh but this is just insane.
a tuning Master at his craft great job guys
wow that's honestly amazing it held that much power...before grenading it, gotta see if it can hold that power on the street lol! my guess is, it probably won't last long - i'd imagine the rods would get too fatigued at this power level and load on the street...but if it held for even a little bit, that'd be sick lmao
The dyno replicates the road as it's a 3000lb drum. The difference would be the abuse the axles and trans would have on bumpy/inconsistent roads etc. Yes most definitely the engine is a ticking timebomb but the drivetrain is just as likely to fail at this point.
Awesome accomplishment guys! Keep it up.
Very well done guys. Seriously impressive
This is both crazy and fantastic 👍it deserves to live.
this is going to give so many newbies false hope when thinking about tuning their stock jettas lol, awsome videos though man!
They'll learn the hard way. Lol
I think you just broke the scary 1.8t myth!!! Holy shit
Wow! Great video! Thanks for sharing 👍
Incredible, really thought I was going to see the bottom end let go. 600 or bust!
So glad I fed over $10k in my big turbo build
The thing just won't die, absolutely hilarious
vr6 stock block with head gasket spacer next ?? awesome video keep up the content love it
If we do it will be stock unopened engine again.
Nice video men, thank’s for sharing.
Heard the burp in my surround speaker, thought I had a mouse in the corner of my room or something.
Nope it's just Clayton whispering in your ear.
This would make an awesome series where you push the limits of every vw engine and an opportunity to show off your tuning expertise! Any chance of you testing the limits of a 12v vr?😁 what better platform to start with than the vr6 👍 or 🤔 there should be an engine build off with all vw tuners and all vw engines. C.O., MILAKA MOTORSPORTS, HPA, ECT.... THAT WOULD BE EPIC!😎💪
Funding would help that happen. The parts are here to do a VR but I don't think it will be next. I know the VR will make a lot of power. It's been proven many times.
Definitely do a large port after u are finished with this to try and make even more power 🤘
We're pushing this one to the end.
@@COMotorsports can't wait to see what it makes should definitely make 700hp at the crank. If u can find a decent large port engine which has been looked after u should definitely see over 700hp with the same setup if u could swith the turbo and other parts other to that engine to save costs. I'd love to give u my gti with the original agu engine if I didn't live so far away
@@nathansutherland892 appreciate it. After this goes we'll do a different engine all together.
@@COMotorsports it's alright keep up what your doing it's amazing.
@@COMotorsports should add good bearings and arp rod bolts unless you have done that already
06 Z06 Corvette stock 7.0 litre makes 505 crank hp. Yeah that’s stock and sure it can make way more heavily modified.
BUT this is a clapped out stock internals bag of rust and bolts with a massive turbo 1.8 litre engine.
Seriously impressive results.
Thanks 👍
Would never do that with my 04' 1.8T 5speed wagon but good to know what she can handle at it's max.. Even the Humble mechanic had mentioned that he has never seen a warped head on a 1.8T. Granted I'm sure there are some out there from people doing crazy things or didn't realize there was an issue to begin with in that area but yeah. Pretty solid little motor.
Lol why not wagons are the best 💤 sleepers.
@@DailyBigTurboTdiWagon I would but not until I replace the piston rings and rods. They have the luxury of having extra parts. Very few of my ride out on the road today in all countries. Everything all original.
@@BigSteve_Gaming187 lol the luxury ? It's a mk4! By a parts car for 250-1000$ trust me plenty out there And/ Or upgrade what you got and it will still be cheaper then by a used car in today's market. If your really resourceful you can also find many parts from people parting out there old builds.
Mk4s are like the civic of the 90s. Perfect for ppl tryna have fun on a budget. Lots of parts available. Plenty of bolt ons and tuners. And they are a super common car around the world. Parts available between many models and are pretty good for sharing across many platforms ex. Jetta,golf,beetle,seat,Audi etc...
Yes the car is getting older but still very common to see on the roads. I swear I see more mk4 then mk5 these days lol 😂
@@DailyBigTurboTdiWagon mk4s have are yes the same motor but the engine is sideways. I have a AWM motor. Built in like a straight 4. Because it gives wagons more torque. Only a few parts which I can still get that come off mk4s but yeah I get what ur saying. I plan on upgrading this just not to that limit with the stock motor. Never said luxury I said very few on the road 2day.
Well done! I'm ready to blow up my 1.8 awp... 🤣 I need this tune!
Good job, fellas. 🙌🏻🙌🏻💪🏻
You guys ever consider doing any "remote" tuning? Your shop is like 16 hours from me. Could just go to a local dyno and have you tune it via the logs....?
We do, reach out through email.
Insane!! Mans a magician
Congratulation.You ate crazy and amazing too.Unbelievable.👌
Let's see some drag passes!
The drivetrain would explode.