$100 Knockoff vs $550 Stihl Chainsaw? Let's Settle This! Cutting Speed, Horsepower, Cold Start, RPM

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
  • Let's settle this debate! Genuine Stihl vs a couple of knock offs. Chainsaws compared for weight, fuel efficiency, pulling force to start the saw, cold temperature starting performance, torque, no load sprocket speed, cutting speed on manufactured log, cutting speed with 5 pounds of weight on the bar, cutting speed through hardwood. I purchased all of the gasoline / petrol chainsaws and supplies used to test the chainsaws to ensure an unbiased review. So, thank you for supporting the channel!
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  • @ProjectFarm
    @ProjectFarm  24 дні тому +2

    Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you!
    Topteng: amzn.to/47qIFXB
    58cc Saw: amzn.to/3kih8Ek
    Stihl MS 291: available at Stihl retailers

  • @mikechristensen1285
    @mikechristensen1285 Рік тому +1955

    Am I in the market for a chainsaw? No. Did I still enthusiastically watch the entire video? Yes. I’m blown away by the frequency of video releases you do! They are thorough, well edited, I don’t know how you do it so frequently.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +120

      Thanks!

    • @garyandtricia1
      @garyandtricia1 Рік тому +24

      I would bet that he's recording multiple tests at a time.

    • @joegroom9837
      @joegroom9837 Рік тому +16

      @@garyandtricia1 he still does many many tools each week must do around 2 a day the time these would take to make

    • @garyandtricia1
      @garyandtricia1 Рік тому +10

      @@joegroom9837 He puts out a video every Sunday, typically.

    • @johnlincicum6390
      @johnlincicum6390 Рік тому +12

      ​@@ProjectFarm would you please test name brand chainsaw company, farm store brand and generic brands of winter, summer and general purpose bar oils? Husqvarna, Stihl, Mystik, Poulan Pro, Echo, Tractor Supply Company and others?

  • @kevingeraci2290
    @kevingeraci2290 Рік тому +636

    Todd is an amazing human being for those of us who are ‘do it yourselfers’; the time and money he spends on these comparison tests is incredible insofar as he is not compensated by the manufacturers…quite a contribution to America, this is what social media should be used for and I can’t thank Todd enough for his contributions, his tests are the only evaluations I rely on when purchasing a new tool! Thanks Todd!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +60

      You are so welcome!

    • @mstrpth287
      @mstrpth287 Рік тому +25

      I do the same. I come here first to see if he's reviewed the items.

    • @nobodyuknow4911
      @nobodyuknow4911 Рік тому +10

      @@ProjectFarm I want to thank you as well, you've really helped to dispel a lot of myths and sales hype around many products and I'm sure the community (and your much-deserved subscriber numbers) all agree that your real-world apples-to-apples testing helps really settle the question around what's worth your money and what's not.
      Please keep up the great work and I look forward to your next video as always ^_^

    • @clinkerclint
      @clinkerclint Рік тому +3

      I agree!!!!!

    • @h8troodoh
      @h8troodoh Рік тому +12

      I've gotten the impression he's nothing but a good guy. A good neighbor type guy... with a awesome shop...lol

  • @anchopanchorancho
    @anchopanchorancho Рік тому +247

    You can't beat having a video like this show up when you're in the market for something! Project Farm spoils us like always.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +8

      Thank you!!

    • @silent1967
      @silent1967 Рік тому +1

      Just split the difference and buy a Husqvarna.

    • @sminthian
      @sminthian Рік тому

      And don't forget about used. I see $550 used Stihl's going for $100 all the time, just because someone always wants a brand new one.

    • @twistedhillbilly6157
      @twistedhillbilly6157 Рік тому

      @@sminthian Someone gave me a badly abused Echo,, A little shopping on EBay & Home Depot, A new bar, chain, air filter, & cover, plug, oil & gas tank caps (40 bucks total) I have good saw..

    • @brockbaker3able
      @brockbaker3able Рік тому

      For a homeowner, I recommend Echo. Literally just finished cutting with my Echo cs400. For the price and five year warranty you can’t beat it. I cut 5 cord of wood min per year. It’s never let me down

  • @jakeharsha9931
    @jakeharsha9931 Рік тому +181

    I bought a Stihl MS 290 (precursor to the Stihl in this test) about 15 years ago. I heat my home with wood and live on/manage 40 acres of woods with trails running everywhere so I use the saw quite often. It still fires within 5 pulls, even in the dead of Minnesota winter and cuts great as long as you keep a fresh chain on it. Stihl makes the best chainsaws, hands-down.

    • @DeathValleyDazed
      @DeathValleyDazed Рік тому +9

      Love my Stihl saws too.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +11

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @tomrutherford4907
      @tomrutherford4907 Рік тому +31

      I agree. What makes Stihl saws the best is not the day you buy it. It's how well it runs and cuts 15 years down the road.

    • @mantvydas8810
      @mantvydas8810 Рік тому +9

      Dad still uses a husky 254 xp from 1995. It never let him down except one time when the crank end near the clutch broke off and the engine continued to run without turning the chain. A couple years later without replacing anything but the bearings and crank since you have to split the case it still starts up better than our newer 2010 ish jonsered. 5 ish pulls.

    • @scottschlemmer4787
      @scottschlemmer4787 Рік тому +8

      @@tomrutherford4907 Just like a wife.

  • @Kyto1221
    @Kyto1221 Рік тому +529

    Would love to see hand cleaners compared to other products like dishwasher soap.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +65

      Thank you for the video idea!

    • @cblock81
      @cblock81 Рік тому +23

      YES, Gojo, Lava, Fast Orange....

    • @brianellison3525
      @brianellison3525 Рік тому +21

      Dawn for the win.
      And, it's good for ducks.

    • @markmonroe7330
      @markmonroe7330 Рік тому +3

      I like this suggestion.

    • @13slot28
      @13slot28 Рік тому +6

      Yes! Like waterless hand cleaners!

  • @bk89able
    @bk89able Рік тому +212

    I would like to see electrical tape tested to see what kind sticks the best, most resistant to heat, chemicals, etc. and how well it works in the cold. love your videos!

    • @spdergod
      @spdergod Рік тому +21

      You'll have to go way back but he did do a video on that.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +26

      Thank you for the video idea!

    • @tommytron2000
      @tommytron2000 Рік тому +31

      Supper 33
      That’s the only tape you’ll ever need

    • @brandonmee-lee1695
      @brandonmee-lee1695 Рік тому +11

      For years I had used the harbor freight 10 pack for 5 dollar tape and finally bought myself some real 3M stuff and oh man the difference made me believe in a higher power

    • @pinrod1
      @pinrod1 Рік тому +4

      3m super 33

  • @electronicsNmore
    @electronicsNmore Рік тому +95

    Great testing as always! Stihl sure does make quality equipment, but if you can't afford one, you showed a pretty good much lower cost option. Thanks for the video!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +4

      Thanks and you are welcome!

    • @xingtheiflightinsider
      @xingtheiflightinsider Рік тому +11

      But always keep in mind, you pay a Chinese knockoff company that didn't have to spend money on R&D, neither takes care about all the details to a good chainsaw. When Stihl sells less or goes out of business, the development of new chainsaws will slow down or completely stagnate since the Chinese have nothing to copy from.

    • @jamesgoens3531
      @jamesgoens3531 Рік тому +2

      @@xingtheiflightinsider Even with the knockoffs available, I really don’t think that Stihl will be going out of business anytime soon. In my rural area, Stihl is the leading saw. The Deere dealerships around me sell them as do Rural King and several OPE dealers. Of all the folks I know with saws, exactIy none are knockoffs. I think anyone who needs a 20” bar is probably on the more experienced side of using a saw, at least I hope so. I certainly don’t want to be around someone with little experience who buys this knockoff to try their hand at taking down something with an 18” trunk. 😯 I’m fine with my Echo and its 20” bar unless it’s a sketchy tree I’m not comfortable tackling.

    • @kobselzea176
      @kobselzea176 Рік тому +2

      @@jamesgoens3531 echo makes a pretty decent saw for homeowner or firewood people

    • @mike-pm6xn
      @mike-pm6xn Рік тому +1

      @@xingtheiflightinsider But in the real world when lots of American people are struggling and just don’t have money, they resort to buying foreign-made products because they need to get a tool to get a job done, even if they know it might not last. Kind of like why some DIYers buy from stores like Harbor Freight - overall cheaper products that are good for smaller jobs or less frequent use… But it’s a nice surprise when a cheap product - whether it’s made in the States, China, Taiwan, wherever - actually is just as good as (or sometimes better than) the big brand tools. And then there’s the consumables of course…

  • @hjets5387
    @hjets5387 Рік тому +35

    You've become my go to guy when I need to buy something. Your demonstrations are always free from bias. Thanks. I've got a suggestion for you. I'm considering attempting installing a water heater and was looking at the "Pro-Press" tools for solder free pipe fitting. An analysis of these tools would be helpful.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +5

      Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @sleve_mcdichael_
    @sleve_mcdichael_ Рік тому +40

    Great video. I don't think anyone realistically expected the Stihl to lose...but it does provide valuable information. As a home owner that may trim up a few fallen trees or do a little cutting the cheapo models might just be the ticket. For anyone else that needs their saw to perform and has the allowable budget we will see a better value sticking to the good brands.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +2

      Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

  • @dogsbyfire
    @dogsbyfire Рік тому +42

    I’ve cut dozens of cords of firewood with my Stihl saw. Runs like a top. The chain brake is an important, perhaps life-saving, safety feature. This is one of those instances where it’s worth the extra money to get the better tool because the risk of harm is so great. Thanks, Project Farm!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +2

      You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.

    • @bixby9797
      @bixby9797 Рік тому +6

      I've got 2 fingers sewn back on after a run in with a Jonsered 92cc without a chainbrake. Be very careful out there and wear eye protection, gloves for grip, chaps and steel toed boots. A saw will tear you up faster than you can react. Trust Me.

    • @B_Van_Glorious
      @B_Van_Glorious Рік тому +10

      I own 35 chainsaws. I have an entire rack with 6 shelves for them in my shed. They all run, I've rebuilt them all. I have a gamut of Homelite, from the super 2, 350, 925 and more. A couple old sears saws (with the most aggressive cutting profile I've ever seen), an old Montgomery Ward, a couple Pioneers, and 6 or 7 Stihls. From wee little guys like the 192 to my monster 111cc 075. Most of these saws have been ported. Some have oversized jets because of which. I have to Locktite every bolt on these saws.
      They are fun, aggressive saws. Especially that Super 2.
      Of all my saws, 2 have chain brakes. A ms192 and a ms181. The only saw to ever kickback on me is the Super 2.
      Chainbrakes ARE helpful. but besides knowledge, being the biggest and best safety device, the penultimate safety feature is in the weight. Heavy saws almost never kickback, not that they can't, but if you've spent a week using an old 041 farm boss, you should know enough by then to mitigate this factor.
      So for my money, I'll take the old all metal, non chain brake, heavy as sin, saw all day. Stand up and buck (shout-out to Buckin!). Let the saw do the work for you.
      Ymmv I understand the subjectivity of the topic.
      Safety police surely are incensed. I look forward to their vitriol.
      I bet they think aliens built the pyramids as well, cuz ppl, ppl just cant do something they cant do. Unimaginable, preposterous! Whether that stems from their over abundance of caution, lack of utility from underdeveloped arms, ignorance, naivety, fear, or maybe they're simply virtue signaling, who am I to say, I'm just speaking from experience, take that how you may and use yr own discretion.

    • @D-B-Cooper
      @D-B-Cooper Рік тому +3

      @@B_Van_Glorious don’t underestimate the number of morons out there. I find a longer bar is safer. I have recently bought a new Stihl $1,200. Just broke in after a couple of cords, really nice.

    • @Nathan-cx2wg
      @Nathan-cx2wg Рік тому +3

      @@B_Van_Glorious You had me rolling sir. Much like large caliber pistols not everyone likes them. Some just cut firewood once a year some just do some tree trimming from time to time. Buy according to use and skill level. Go wood cutting with friends see what they like to use. chop half a day with theirs with them fueling it. And never borrow a chainsaw!! Any problem that happens will be your fault.

  • @pjkentucky
    @pjkentucky Рік тому +21

    Thanks again for another quality video. I still say project Farm is the hardest working channel on UA-cam. I was happy to see that you are pushing 3M viewers!

  • @darkshaman7087
    @darkshaman7087 8 місяців тому +5

    The real test is 10 years down the line when the stihl is still going and the others have been dead for 8 years

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for the feedback.

  • @Smokeroux
    @Smokeroux Рік тому +50

    This channel is now our “Go To” prior to purchases for our channel and personal use now!! Thank you for all the through testing. Just purchased and installed the ZECK 13000k winch after your winch review 🏁

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +6

      Thanks!

    • @bixby9797
      @bixby9797 Рік тому +1

      This channel is a first stop before any purchase of tools, goods or anything you use to do stuff. "I need a grinder, wonder what Todd has to say about that? Oh, of course he tested that"!

  • @davidivad123abc
    @davidivad123abc Рік тому +48

    Gotta say that $100 Topteng was pretty impressive. I doubt it would match the durability of the Stihl, but if you just needed a saw for one time use it seems like a great option.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thanks for sharing!

    • @gorkyd7912
      @gorkyd7912 Рік тому +10

      Nah, it's a bad deal even if it's much cheaper. Even for one use and even you're broke, get a loan and buy the Stihl. You can resell it when you're done and you'll end up paying the same as the Topteng overall. Except, for that one time use, you'll have a better saw, safer, and you won't have to add more trash to the landfill. Trust me, i am as frugal and penny-pinching as they come, I have been there. For a 1-time use the absolute best idea is to get a used Stihl that works, because that you can resell for what you paid. But if you can't make sure it works, a new Stihl or Husqvarna is a close 2nd best deal.

    • @allenwilliams1376
      @allenwilliams1376 Рік тому +2

      ​@@gorkyd7912 😂😂 dumb, but you won't understand why

    • @PsychoticBovine
      @PsychoticBovine Рік тому +11

      @@allenwilliams1376 Why is he dumb? buy once, cry once. It might be 5 times the price, but with Stihl you can get parts for it, has local support and repair, and it's more durable. As you get older, you will understand that durability and support trumps everything else.

    • @MicahGourde
      @MicahGourde Рік тому +1

      ​@Allen Williams is dumber than a hemlock stump and incapable of understanding why.
      I can buy a Stihl Farm Boss or similar saw all day long for $150 - $250.
      If you buy a dirty one in good shape, you can easily clean it up, tune it, and replace the spark plug. You can then resell it at a small profit if you got a good deal on it.

  • @jschlesinger2
    @jschlesinger2 Рік тому +30

    I would have concerns about running the Topteng year after year, but the price difference between the Topteng is so great that you might as well forget about buying replacement parts for the Topteng when it breaks -- just buy another saw and keep the old one for parts. Thanks for the video. Good luck with spring jobs on the farm.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +5

      Thanks and you are welcome!

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq Рік тому +4

      It probably would be the same part that would break on the second saw.
      Now you have two broken saws.
      If the part that broke only cost $20....would you now buy 4 of those parts...repair both saws...and still be ahead?
      You will have spent 100+100+80=$280....in X years.
      A friend ran a Stihl 044 for years and then made the mistake of lending it to someone who ran it on straight gas.
      The cost of just the parts to repair the Stihl was over half that of a new comparable Stihl...and it was a 20 year old saw.
      .
      He took a chance and bought a $400 Chinese knock off as he needed to cut firewood..
      For the last three years he has cut hardwood blue gum eucalyptus firewood by the cord...using Stihl chains and bars on the knockoff...with no problems.
      He can't see the Stihl ever being repaired unless he just wants to have a play at repairing it himself....

    • @wadewilliamson7994
      @wadewilliamson7994 Рік тому +1

      I think the big takeaway there is... Never lend out your saw.😂

    • @jschlesinger2
      @jschlesinger2 Рік тому

      @@wadewilliamson7994 Good idea. Maybe hold onto your Stihl and lend the TopTeng to your brother in law?

    • @Garde538
      @Garde538 Рік тому +2

      Last thing i want to do is waste time repairing Chinese equipment

  • @AndrewCamarata
    @AndrewCamarata Рік тому +188

    Isn’t there budget saws that are identical copies to namebrand saws like Stihl and Husqvarna? You should test those compared to their identical counterpart.

    • @jbw7346
      @jbw7346 Рік тому +17

      Yeah, but you gotta build them+ some machining to get them running correctly… Farmtec, Holtzfarma…

    • @Macaziod
      @Macaziod Рік тому +36

      ​@Jb W you don't have to build them. They have assembled ones for sale. I have the 660 clone. Runs really well for less then a 1/3 the cost.

    • @TheLegendBrolySS
      @TheLegendBrolySS Рік тому +3

      @@Macaziod what brand?

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +43

      Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @ericharris893
      @ericharris893 Рік тому +1

      Andy enters the chat

  • @GatvolFourie
    @GatvolFourie Рік тому +73

    Another baller video , man cutting up that $$$ lumber like it's 1999 hahaha Great video mate. Really enjoy and appreciate all your effort . This channel went from goofy lawnmower torture to THE tool review channel , without ever selling out. Guess a proper goofy video is in order for 3 million subs any day now !

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +2

      Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @thenoblehacker9111
      @thenoblehacker9111 Рік тому +3

      ​@@ProjectFarm that wasn't a suggestion lol

    • @Kangaroojack1986
      @Kangaroojack1986 Рік тому +1

      ​@@thenoblehacker9111 😂😂😂 dudes a Robot

    • @amarildo988idrizai6
      @amarildo988idrizai6 Рік тому +1

      @@Kangaroojack1986im dying to see a reply where he doesnt say “Thanks!!”
      Must be a robot

    • @ryanschaff2507
      @ryanschaff2507 Рік тому +3

      Like it’s pre Biden prices.

  • @tjf1531
    @tjf1531 Рік тому +43

    Always appreciate your time and effort in bringing us awesome content

  • @harleymauzy4753
    @harleymauzy4753 Рік тому +27

    I would love to see some of the HART power tools tested against other tools in previous tests. I was recently looking for more power tools and just realized how extensive their lineup really is. Very impressive coming from Wal-Mart.
    Thank you for taking the time to go through as many comments as you do and giving us all the content that you do!! 😊

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +3

      You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @zachjones2678
      @zachjones2678 Рік тому

      Flex as well

    • @jordanalexander615
      @jordanalexander615 Рік тому +2

      Harts new cordless tools are actually very powerful compared to their older cousins. But the price is higher of course. Still glad to see smaller brands making waves.

    • @RocksNRuts4
      @RocksNRuts4 Рік тому

      i bought a 62v green machine, it wont cut butter!!!!!

    • @wayneanderson1230
      @wayneanderson1230 Рік тому

      Lol.hart tools from Walmart. Best thing to do with them take it home give the tool to your worst neighbor and burn the box for heat.

  • @cyphre
    @cyphre Рік тому +43

    I think it's also great to illustrate that you don't need the top tier tool to handle the job unless you are a professional who uses it all the time. The ~20%-30% uplift would definitely be a big difference, but only if you happen to use the tool all the time.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +4

      Great point! Thank you

    • @TriMarko
      @TriMarko Рік тому +5

      It also, however, illustrates that when you are going for unknown brands even at the same price point that performance can vary wildly

    • @anonym3017
      @anonym3017 Рік тому +6

      just buy the stihl anyway. its additional lifetime more than makes up for the higher price.
      after all the things last for years even when used by logging crews.

    • @rogerhodges7656
      @rogerhodges7656 Рік тому +7

      Parts and service on the off brands scare me. I can get my 30 year old Stihl serviced anywhere.

    • @onecookieboy
      @onecookieboy Рік тому +3

      If you were doing a one off job and nothing more, the cheaper saw might be a good option, but if you wanted something which you could use year after year for a decade or more, go for the quality product.

  • @dogsoupblues
    @dogsoupblues Рік тому +18

    As always, an excellent test! Your work is invaluable! 🙂 I was kind of hoping I'd see a Holzfforma/Farmertec clone here to get the numbers . I got their G660, which is a 1:1 clone of the Stihl MS660, and I love it. It's great for both milling and bucking, and hasn't let me down yet! Paid $250 shipped from China a couple years back, took a few weeks, and after some basic checking for loose bolts, it started right up and is still kicking ass!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +3

      Thanks so much! Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @bceltics121
      @bceltics121 Рік тому +4

      ​@@ProjectFarm I second that. Holtzfforma and Neo-Tec vs the real saws. Though I realize this would be a pricey test considering the saws are clones of pro saws.

    • @mikemaddy6710
      @mikemaddy6710 Рік тому +1

      Another vote for neotec. They make a ms380 clone also (72cc I think) only 200 bucks

  • @RedIron1066
    @RedIron1066 Рік тому +38

    Another neat series of tests.
    How about a test of various brands of trash bags?
    You always do an amazing job on these!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @ac.creations
      @ac.creations Рік тому +2

      Yes please. Similar to the glove testing.

    • @imhooks
      @imhooks Рік тому +1

      Best household trash bag is the HDX Home Depot bag. I'd love to see a test but I won't buy another brand. For it's cost and durability it outperforms any other name brand bag I've used.

    • @FLINTmitten810
      @FLINTmitten810 Рік тому

      @@imhooks do you ever buy the hdx paper towel

    • @imhooks
      @imhooks Рік тому

      @@FLINTmitten810 I haven't. They any good?

  • @prevost8686
    @prevost8686 Рік тому +1

    I started heating with wood in 1994 so I needed a chainsaw to cut the wood. Having grown up in a household that heated with wood and ran Stihl saws exclusively I naturally went to my local power equipment dealer and he recommended an 036 Stihl for wood cutting duties. After years of heating with wood and using the 036 to cut all of it I am amazed at how reliable and durable it has been. Other than replacing bars, chains and a drive sprockets I have not had any other problems with the saw. I’m getting too old to cut wood like I used to so I’m going to give my 036 some maintenance and give it to my son for tree removal and storm damage use.
    I have no idea if Stihl’s newer saws are as good as the older ones because I have never had to replace mine.

  • @braddsn
    @braddsn Рік тому +42

    I rarely buy anything anymore without checking here first. The best part is, the tests you do here reflect exactly what I find out in the field. Keep up the great work Todd... we all appreciate it more than you know.

  • @DetroitMicroSound
    @DetroitMicroSound Рік тому +56

    We've been a Stihl family since 1985. We still have the first saw. Still runs great, but has had a couple things replaced. My dad and I, have 5 Stihl's between us. 😄

    • @misfire88
      @misfire88 Рік тому +9

      My dad bought a 041 Farm Boss in the early eighties. We heated with wood, so it got worked a lot in the summer and winter for decades, until around 2010 when we got another Stihl. It slowly was relegated to backup status, but the amazing thing was, while he kept up on maintenance, he never once change the sparkplug on it. He'd take it out, clean it, check it and it'd go back in. He had one ready to replace it, but never did.
      We have five saws between us as well now.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +4

      Thanks for sharing!

    • @DetroitMicroSound
      @DetroitMicroSound Рік тому +3

      @@misfire88 Worth every cent! We also have Stihl trimmers, and blowers. Yea, plugs basically go forever, if you mix properly, and it's still set up by the tuners at Stihl. I also run ONLY Amsoil Saber in everything. I also run Saber in my tuned Moped - Puch E50 engine, with a 70cc DMP cylinder, etc. Imho, works extremely dependably in ANY two-stroke, at 80:1. .........Hmm... has Project Farm covered Amsoil Saber?

    • @DetroitMicroSound
      @DetroitMicroSound Рік тому +3

      @@ProjectFarm 👍Many Stihl users have similar stories I think, too.

    • @codygooch510
      @codygooch510 Рік тому +5

      You mean you stihl have the first saw. Thought you were a stihl family 🙄

  • @thebigpicture2032
    @thebigpicture2032 Рік тому +30

    Great comparison! While the knock offs may be cheap, the Stihls are by far a better value. They will last for years. I Stihl have the one I bought in the 90’s even after years of heavy use. It’s a back up saw now but just used it yesterday. It’s a lot heavier than the modern Stihls but that works in its favour when bucking firewood from large diameter logs.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +2

      Thank you!

    • @christianzaccone4347
      @christianzaccone4347 Рік тому +1

      Steel products now are nowhere near what they were in the nineties. Unfortunately They're built just like everything else now. Engineer to work for a specific length time. Ask any pro and they will tell you that we'd rather have the old 80s & 90s o series Then these new saws. Had a steel o84 for 24 years. Worked every time like the day I bought it. Till the date some scumbag stole it.

    • @tannerhartl5175
      @tannerhartl5175 Рік тому

      @@christianzaccone4347 Dumbass geezer opinion

    • @dufinsmrts
      @dufinsmrts Рік тому

      ​@@christianzaccone4347that's sad he must have known it was a good saw.

    • @tri2brite313
      @tri2brite313 Рік тому +1

      ​@@christianzaccone4347 why are old sthil saws better? Because they are louder, heavier, vibrate more and burn fuel less efficiently? It's pretty hard to CONVINCE people that what they own is always NOT the best BECAUSE they own it. Just saying....

  • @TradeWorks_Construction
    @TradeWorks_Construction Рік тому +18

    One factor that I really wish you would add as a “food for thought” is the hidden safety cost of cheap knock offs.
    2 quick real life examples:
    A pilot friend who championed using harbor freight grinders so he didn’t have to swap discs … due to the power switch shape and force required his hand skipped right off the switch and right into the disc cutter.
    (Hospital bill $2000 + $250 carpet cleaner bill & 1 week mandatory time off cuz he couldn’t safely fly passenger airlines with his hand torn up and stitched)
    Myself while using a cheap Ryobi Hedge trimmer, the carb throttle would stick a little even after letting off the trigger keeping the blades moving (albeit slowly) for a good 10 seconds afterward. While pausing to clear cut branches out of the way I kept my left hand on the D Ring handle while using my dominant right to reach in. Fatigue caused my left hand to relax slightly which caused the back heavy engine to drop and the light blades in front to pop up right into my outreaching hand. Severed 3/4 of my thumb (tendons/nerves/vessels/bone)
    Hospital + Reconstructive Hand Surgery for the Thumb ($15,000) plus 3 summer months out of commission for my construction job.
    You can definitely find Chinese imports that will demonstrate great cost performance characteristics but as soon as you encounter a single injury and get that hospital bill you instantly will wish you could have paid $450 extra. When we are talking chainsaws safety is something you don’t screw around with (plastic bar tensioners and flexible clutch lock let’s see how that holds up to a 11,000 rpm chain that comes flying back at you cuz there was more than just a sprocket to grab it after the bar tension fails)
    I guess you can just buy 5 more replacements when that happens … assuming you still have all your limbs in tact to operate those masterpieces of recycled plastics, chinesium and leftovers that failed quality control.

    • @realist9311
      @realist9311 Рік тому

      THIS comment right here… there is no price on life and limb, these budget options are an accident waiting to happen

    • @nathanielskiba6366
      @nathanielskiba6366 Рік тому +2

      Both of those "real life" stories were examples of stupidity.

    • @TradeWorks_Construction
      @TradeWorks_Construction Рік тому +2

      @@nathanielskiba6366 You’re absolutely right and the one thing we can absolutely count on in this world is everyone (even the best) will make a stupid choice. The point though is if the people in the story had put more emphasis on quality than price they both could have avoided the painful lesson.
      And if you would like I would be happy to share the pictures from this “Real Life” Story 😉 and the subsequent hospital bill too. I keep them as a reminder to not cheap out on equipment.

  • @rusty2248
    @rusty2248 Рік тому +8

    Did the hand impact screwdrivers get any support?

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +3

      I only saw the communication between us and was hoping other viewers would give the request a like. Maybe there will be more interest this week.

    • @coolbreezeatp
      @coolbreezeatp Рік тому +3

      I would like to see that myself. Good suggestion

    • @rusty2248
      @rusty2248 Рік тому +3

      @@ProjectFarm you have seen the recommendation for the tool right?

  • @rydplrs71
    @rydplrs71 Рік тому +5

    Great video as always. Thank you.
    I was given an ms290 right after buying a 346xp. It’s a good saw. I usually run the xp just because it’s lighter, although I did just use the stihl for 2 maples that were about 20” round.
    I am considering a 372,ms440 or a holtzforma clone of one or the other. Putting those used against their clones new would be an episode I find entertaining and useful instead of mostly entertaining like this episode.
    Putting the ms250 and ms290 in the mix would help see how much advantage any of those options it.
    Edit:I have no hesitation spending your money for the episode. I might even be willing to buy the second place saw off you so you can keep the winner. 🎉

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @bixby9797
      @bixby9797 Рік тому +1

      I ran a 272xp for years cutting softwood logs and pulp with firewood (maple, yellow birch, beech) for home use on the side. Saw was a workhorse.

  • @timsharpe3498
    @timsharpe3498 Рік тому +2

    I bought one of the 52cc Chinese 20 inch saws about two years ago. Every time I grab it it fires right up and it sounds amazing. I never expected it to last very long for $80 but it is exceeding my expectations so far. I never owned a Stihl brand saw but every one I ever used was nearly new and they were always difficult to get started.

  • @jbcowherder6210
    @jbcowherder6210 Рік тому +6

    great test. I'd be curious to see how the internal construction of the $100 saws compares..... they had to cut corners somewhere
    build quality of things like the ignition system, the piston/rings/con rod and crankshaft would be interesting to see.

  • @lewiemcneely9143
    @lewiemcneely9143 Рік тому +5

    Good test, Commander and it went about like I thought it'd go. When I went looking for a mid-sized saw I ended up getting a new one because all the ones I found were really too big. I got a 261 or a 26 in the older number because they were recommended by my pal that ran the saw shop at the ACE and then got his own shop. He did all the repairs for the electric co-op and said that their 26's or 261's were the toughest he'd ever seen so that's what I got. They're a commercial grade saw and a SCREAMER like my old Super 45 was! The son-in-law finished cutting up all the logs here with it and a maple was very close to 36 inches through with a 20 inch bar. The tests you ran on these 3 were as good as there is and could be, no problem. The proof is in the cutting and no way around it. Hope yall are doing o.k. with all the big blows down around there. Thanks again and BLESSINGS to the whole Farm!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      Hi Lewie, Thank you for the positive feedback on the review! Great decision on the saw you purchased! That's a nice saw that'll last a long time! It's always a pleasure to read your comment! Wishing yall many BLESSINGS!!!

    • @lewiemcneely9143
      @lewiemcneely9143 Рік тому +1

      @@ProjectFarm Yall too and I always try and get stuff based on the performance angle of it all. Price is in there too but what it will do and what it needs to do is almost foremost in the back of my balding head. Happy early spring and remain as calm as need be and God Bless!

  • @oldtruckswork8989
    @oldtruckswork8989 Рік тому +6

    Would have been interesting to include a mid priced saw such as the equivalent Husqvarna.

  • @GrantOakes
    @GrantOakes Рік тому +3

    I really like your unbiased, analytical approach to product reviews!

  • @mac24seven
    @mac24seven Рік тому +77

    Let's all take a moment to appreciate how fit Todd is! These were kinda intensive tests (many of them are) and he handles them with ease 💪🏿

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +9

      Thank you!

    • @makattak88
      @makattak88 Рік тому +6

      Those forearms are a big tell that he works with his hands daily.

    • @kingmarz3635
      @kingmarz3635 Рік тому +3

      He’s work tough
      And his hard work is paying off

    • @coreyfrasnelly7364
      @coreyfrasnelly7364 Рік тому +4

      Farm boy tough!!!! Only way to be 🙏

    • @kingmarz3635
      @kingmarz3635 Рік тому

      That’s the toughest of tough

  • @tomasrosalesr
    @tomasrosalesr Рік тому +6

    Whenever you upload a new video it makes me smile... Thank you! 😊

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thank you! That means a lot to me!

  • @paullavender-pc1uz
    @paullavender-pc1uz 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you very much I live in Colorado. I do a lot of logging and I’m glad to see that a top tang is such a good saw. I have huskies and stills, but I would like to have a top tang just as a throw around saw and one my neighbor could borrow, but anyway, thank you so much for the extensive scientific evaluation of the saws.

  • @azioprism3635
    @azioprism3635 Рік тому +6

    *i love these knockoff reviews so much its unreal. tnx PF*

  • @moog38yearsagoupdated1mont9
    @moog38yearsagoupdated1mont9 Рік тому +1

    Man, the dude really went full tarzan mode on a chain to help us in comparing two chainsaws. GG xD

  • @richardflagg3084
    @richardflagg3084 Рік тому +6

    I like everything Todd reviews, especially the chainsaw related tests because that's what I do for a living (repair chainsaws). He's always thorough, accurate and honest. Stihl, and many other OPE manufacturers, has taken some pretty hefty increases this past year. Stihl has taken two price increases since October. I get it, inflation, supply, demand, yada, yada yada. I think 2 years ago that saw retailed for just over $400. The MS250 could be had for $299 during the spring sale in 2021. The cost of the Pro level saws is dizzying.

    • @life_of_riley88
      @life_of_riley88 Рік тому +1

      What do you think of Husqvarna saws? We just picked up a rancher model. . .seems sweet, but is no lightweight with a 24" bar. Always been a Stihl family, but wanted to try the husky.

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084 Рік тому +2

      @@life_of_riley88 I assume you have the 455? That's a tried and true model. Run the XP+ oil at 40:1 (3.2oz per gallon) and it will last even longer.

    • @life_of_riley88
      @life_of_riley88 Рік тому +2

      @@richardflagg3084 Yep rancher 455! Thanks for the tip on oil, we'll run it that way.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +2

      Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

  • @martinlabuda117
    @martinlabuda117 Рік тому +16

    Interesting results, great testing, and well edited video, big thumbs up from me!

  • @evancathey3968
    @evancathey3968 Рік тому +5

    I would love to see caulking tested! So many different kinds that all don't explain what they are good for. Testing categories could be stretchiness, Bonding to wood/metal/mdf/paint. Curing around moisture?
    Amount they shrink over the curing process, paintability, (does it shine through paint and how long do you have to wait to paint/cure time, ease of cleanup, I always have trouble buying caulking. The different types are really hard to tell differences on. They can be drastically different prices and I don't want to waste money when it isn't necessary. It might be good to know what the chemical makeup is a little bit, that way we can be educated about the buzz words if we see caulking not included in the test specifically.

  • @user-gi3xj8nz3s
    @user-gi3xj8nz3s Рік тому +2

    Just bought the topteng 52cc for home use it works just fine 4th item I buy just by watching your video reviews. Good job keep up the good work. Would you happen to know where I can buy a replacement carburetor or parts to have on hand for this saw ? Do you have a link for the topteng parts ?

  • @Tulip23232
    @Tulip23232 Рік тому +14

    I can say that the Stihl will most likely outperform the knockoff before watching! My dad's personally put his Stihl (forgot the model name) through a lot of use over possibly 6+ years now and it's still working just as good! He only had to get the wires on the ignition coil fixed once, the rest has been changing bars/chains and cleaning it after each use.
    I will be editing this once I watch it, for now I just wanted to say thanks for still making these and big props for always having some amazing ideas! I loved the folding chainsaw vid! If you ever want to do something april fools related, a suggestion I have is test some crocs. I have one pair of thick rubber crocs at home which have saved my toes from some falling firewood (ok, not from head height, somewhere around waist height) and you could compare it to something as funny as barefoot or regular shoes.
    Edit: The testing methods are genius as always! As for the "knockoff" one, I meant the 58cc Saw which looks like a Stihl. I didn't expect to see the Topteng perform this well too!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @bixby9797
      @bixby9797 Рік тому +2

      The higher RPM's are the thing. Another is a metal bottom vs a plastic like on the cheaper model saws. My Jonsered Pro 52cc runs 13,000 rpm's and that makes all the difference. Had a Husky 41cc for 20 years and cut 8-10 cords a year with it. Finally gave up the ghost but I sure got my money's worth out of it. Stihl, Husky, Jonsered, Echo, Sachs (now Makita). Take your pick but make sure if your serious to go to a saw shop not a box store and get the higher end saws. BTW: you will see more Huskys than Stihl's in my woods with Stihl catching up now adays although I'm a Husky and Jonsered fan.

  • @samuelrowland1209
    @samuelrowland1209 Рік тому +25

    Video Idea: I would be really interested in calipers. I think that there's a lot of different options out there and I always want to know whether it is worth spending the extra money for them. I need precise measurements, but sometimes I don't want to break the bank if something would work for cheaper.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +4

      Thanks for the video idea.

    • @AustinDemeyere
      @AustinDemeyere Рік тому +4

      Second this, that would be a great test

    • @galaxywide6760
      @galaxywide6760 Рік тому +4

      If you need precise measurements, you need a micrometer rather than calipers. Even a cheap mic is vastly more accurate than a set of calipers.

    • @joesikkspac7904
      @joesikkspac7904 Рік тому

      ​@Galaxywide what a machinist considers accurate is usually a smidge or ten different than the average bloke.

    • @joesikkspac7904
      @joesikkspac7904 Рік тому +1

      The biggest difference between cheap and expensive calipers is the build quality. A couple of guys at work are on their third fowler brand calipers that aren't IP67 rated, while I'm still using my 17 year old Mitutoyo IP67 8" caliper. If you work in an environment where you use cutting fluids or you will be sweating, you absolutely must have an IP65 or IP67 rated digital. Dials are obviously liquid proof except for when they get submerged and the dial numbers are ruined. Dust and dirt are the big enemy of dial calipers. Vernier can withstand everything but bad eyes.

  • @oby-1607
    @oby-1607 Рік тому +96

    Stihl is the only saw in this household and it runs year after year. It would be interesting to see the long term of maybe over 3-5 years to see if the knock-offs are still running and are usable. A year by year update if possible would be nice.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +12

      Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @lt.lasereyez8891
      @lt.lasereyez8891 Рік тому +14

      Owned a few budget ones in the past, they don't last long but didn't want to spend a 1000 on a Still so bought a second hand Husqvarna from the 90's from a dude who threw his back out, best tool in my shed and has been for years.

    • @megaluckydog1212
      @megaluckydog1212 Рік тому

      ... if they haven't torn your leg up, lol.

    • @bjjohns
      @bjjohns Рік тому +4

      Only one note. Always drain the fuel in a Stihl if you only use it occasionally.

    • @CbrF4i600cc
      @CbrF4i600cc Рік тому +9

      For 1/5th the price.. 5 knock offs will out last 1 stihl

  • @Timothy-NH
    @Timothy-NH Рік тому +7

    A plunge cut would have been a interesting test.
    That tree you cut down, looking at the rings, looks like it was once 2 trees side by side that eventually grew into one tree.

  • @sesquila
    @sesquila Рік тому +12

    It would be interesting to test the effectiveness of the air filters, because that would have a significant impact on the longevity of the saws. Great clip though!

  • @nashguy207
    @nashguy207 Рік тому +6

    Another great video. I also wonder how how the knock off saws would hold up long term compared to the stihl. I have 2 stihl saws that are over 10 years old and they are still running great and cutting wood good.

    • @dad1432
      @dad1432 Рік тому

      Knockoffs get the job done but easily break if you drop them, like I often do.

  • @timebandit2951
    @timebandit2951 Рік тому

    I would just like to say I bought a stihl After trying many different chain saw. The reason; I have rumitoid arthritis is both hands. The pulling and the vibrations in the other saws was so bad 👎 😫 it really hurt and could not go into the woods to get wood with my kids anymore. However to me the stilh is easier to start and a lot less vibration in the bar and chain. So I can now enjoy 😉 gathering firewood with my kids again. Thank you Stilh, you folks are awesome. Your saw may cost more, but part of my life I thought was gone forever. Is back.

  • @cocon16_PW
    @cocon16_PW Рік тому +4

    I really like how thorough is this one. I appreciate that you have included the cutting tests with no weight, just with you operating the saw. Although there is human there, I think it is more accurate since stronger motors can be pushed harder.

  • @majbach1968
    @majbach1968 Рік тому +4

    Another great video. I liked the fact that you tried the econo saws with a Stihl chain. Personally, everything I have owned from Stihl has had a negative impact on my mental health so I was rooting for the underdog.
    Looks like you have a slow hydraulic leak in that front-end loader.

  • @pajamatime5750
    @pajamatime5750 Рік тому +2

    You know one of the biggest debates I can think of in the “what oil is best” world is that of the 2-stoke snowmobile engine! I sure would love to see your tests and results on what oil protects a 2-stroke sled engine the best. Categories like cleanest burning, exhaust valve buildup, piston scoring and long term lubrication could be explored…. People would love that! I think you’re just the man for the job!!!!

  • @potteryjoe
    @potteryjoe Рік тому +7

    Excellent tests, as always. I'd love to see a longevity review of these budget saws in a few years

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @nunyabizness9216
      @nunyabizness9216 Рік тому +2

      You spelled days wrong. The chinesium saws are garbage from top to bottom.

    • @potteryjoe
      @potteryjoe Рік тому +1

      @@nunyabizness9216 lol yeah, I got a Coocheer (or something) for around $100. It lasted for a couple weeks of light use.

    • @riverraisin1
      @riverraisin1 Рік тому +1

      I replaced a 1990's Husqvarna with a Poulan Pro about 5 years ago. They are both quite similar in build, but I actually like the Poulan Pro better, quality-wise. And it was half the price. Been serving me well all this time for occasional use.

  • @bobojenkins5805
    @bobojenkins5805 2 місяці тому +3

    Alot of Stihl fanboys don't realize that not everybody has 20 years of chainsawing work to do. Why not get a cheaper brand if you just have to clear your backyard of like 20 trees

  • @agentorange3117
    @agentorange3117 Рік тому +2

    A friend has a cheap knockoff and surprisingly performs well. I also bought a knock-off ms381 for an in-between as my ms 661c was too big at times, and my ms251c was too small at times. For a knockoff in between saw, it's pretty good, and I would recommend it. Just don't think you can have a knockoff as a stand-alone saw. Each to their own I guess.

  • @RomoRooster
    @RomoRooster 4 місяці тому +1

    The chain makes a big difference in chainsaws. It would be interesting to compare these saws using the same chain. Or a video comparing different chains using the same saw

  • @bartjanflikkema9054
    @bartjanflikkema9054 Рік тому +4

    The Chinese knock offs actually seem to have a lot in common with the Japanese Zenoah G5000/5200 if I look at the general construction of the saws. Also sold as Redmax, Hitachi and Tanaka. Some of their newer saws are even sold as Husqvarna. A comparison between the Chinese and the original would be nice to see, as I also understood that the Zenoah is like the blueprint for the Chinese chainsaws. A lot of parts are even interchangeable.

  • @TheHappyHermit
    @TheHappyHermit Рік тому +5

    The amount of value you provide with your in depth comparisons is nothing shy of incredible. It's great to know when a guy can pinch a few pennies on a quality budget brand vs spending the money on the big name. I love my stihl 291. My new honda 3200i generator, not so much. Had I seen your engine comparison video sooner, I'd have saved 3k and opted for the predator powered unit.
    Keep up the great content 🍻

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Will do, thank you!

    • @edifyguy
      @edifyguy Рік тому

      No way. You did the right thing on that Honda. PARTS. DURABILITY. I keep things like this forever, and use them extensively. Having to replace the whole unit because something little is worn is a non-starter for me. I use a lot of older equipment, but it's all quality. It works great. It's reliable. I hardly need parts, but when I do, I can get them. I'm never going to start buying junk just to save upfront.

    • @TheHappyHermit
      @TheHappyHermit Рік тому

      @GreatNorthernDad I was replacing an old tried and true honda from the 90s. The new fuel injected unit is very hard to start. Floods itself first pull if Temps are below freezing and I don't pull it 6 times with the ignition in the off position prior to trying it. If I run it on echo mode in winter, the thing doesn't stay warm enough and condensation happens inside the motor (that's what honda told me). So the oil gets water in it and becomes over full requiring I dump it. Honda said they are working on a software update to solve it but wouldn't take the unit back despite me calling both the dealership and corporate office 24 hours after purchase. This $3,500 dollar generator has been hands down the least reliable engine I've owned. I'd probably trade it straight across for the predator at this point

    • @edifyguy
      @edifyguy Рік тому

      @@TheHappyHermit Wow. That's not the norm, but certainly understandable why you'd rather have the Predator in that situation. Out of curiosity why did you replace the 90s one?

    • @TheHappyHermit
      @TheHappyHermit Рік тому +1

      @GreatNorthernDad it was starting to burn a lot of oil and struggle under some loads. Many thousands of hours on it. Getting a little tired. It wasn't uncommon for it to see 30 hours of runtime a week when the cloudy winter limited solar power. I still have it, but I figured it was time to get a fresh dependable unit to last another many years. The 3200i is their first fuel injected unit. Had I bought one of the usual carburetor models I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. I'll get the old one completely rebuilt this season and save the 3200i as a backup.

  • @Bensam123
    @Bensam123 Рік тому +12

    Pretty ridiculous that they can't even manage to do this stuff on Consumer Reports, when you supposedly pay them to do it. Good job as always, keep up the content.

  • @3dprintingbiker693
    @3dprintingbiker693 Рік тому +1

    It would be interesting to see if either saw performs better once properly tuned. I Had a cheap saw that was given to me (chinese knockoff) the guy that bought it said it was hard starting and 0 torque. I was able to lean it out ALOT and it made a huge difference in torque and it fires off easy now after a few pulls. Most times the chinese saws just get a rough tune and then they send them out the door.

    • @shannonwhitaker9630
      @shannonwhitaker9630 Рік тому

      No it would be interesting to see him compare actual Stihl knock off saws made by Farmertec/Hutzl. These saws are actually clones of the Japenese Zenoah 5200 saws. I’ve got two of these saws and never once were they advertised having anything to do with Stihl saws. This video and the comparison is a complete inaccurate bunch of crap but the uninformed gobble up this mess and say thank you oh great swell guy. What a laugh lol

  • @georgesteffens7489
    @georgesteffens7489 Рік тому +3

    Love the comparison! It really shows in this video how much effort, prep and organization you invest in your videos, and that is awesome! I think the real proof in the pudding would be years from now which one is still kicking. I've worked as a volunteer FF and now municipal maintenance, and both jobs always had Stihl saws around, and they kicked butt for years and years. Many of which looked like they shouldn't be working but still were. And now, if I can't breath some life into an old freebie Poulon Pro which (I believe) just needs fuel lines, then it's going in the trash and I'll be saving for a Stihl.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

    • @shannonwhitaker9630
      @shannonwhitaker9630 Рік тому

      This is a laugh. These Chi Com 5200 52cc saws are not Stihl clones or knock offs and have never been advertised as such. These are copies of Zenoah 5200 Jap saws. So much for analytic thorough precise research.

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  • @taylorhabicht6227
    @taylorhabicht6227 Рік тому +1

    Drill pumps
    I would love to see a portable drill pump showdown! Does anyone else feel like they are all junk? The notion of a drill pump is so awesome but usually such a let down in practice. I'd suggest testing maximum suction lift heights, dry run testing, maximum discharge pressure, various viscosity fluids and of course include the perfect commentary on build quality, price point, etc.
    Thanks for your consideration. You have built an amazing repository for the common man.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @foeke8740
    @foeke8740 Рік тому +10

    It would be more interesting to test the knockoffs against the around 25 year old original. Other than that, nice test!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

    • @kittytrail
      @kittytrail Рік тому

      yep, durability is where the chinese knock-offs usually fail. could be fine for a few cuts here and there every month though. 🙄

    • @foeke8740
      @foeke8740 Рік тому

      @@kittytrail in most cases, you would be right. But some brands make pretty decent +100 knockoffs.
      Copies of the Stihl 090 and 080.
      They are actually used for milling. And that is the worst thing you could do to a chain saw, other than cutting mangrove roots underwater.

  • @stillwater62
    @stillwater62 Рік тому +5

    Another great, educational, and well done video. Always interesting content. Thanks for going to all of the trouble to make these fantastic videos.

  • @cameronhawkins3006
    @cameronhawkins3006 Рік тому +9

    Does the tractor have a hydraulic leak? It seemed like it was slowly falling in the time lapse of the log cutting. Great video as usual! We greatly appreciate your time and efforts put into the content you produce.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +7

      Yes it does. I need to address it. Thank you

    • @gorkyd7912
      @gorkyd7912 Рік тому +1

      @@ProjectFarm I also have hydraulic leaks... Wonder if those hydraulic leak fixer chemicals work...hint hint.

    • @paypwnz
      @paypwnz Рік тому

      Hydraulic oil always leaks trough valves back to tank

    • @lordred7462
      @lordred7462 Рік тому

      ​@@paypwnzof course not when everything is fine.

    • @paypwnz
      @paypwnz Рік тому

      @@lordred7462 spool valves and pumps always have a small

  • @richtomlinson7090
    @richtomlinson7090 11 місяців тому

    I like this test, because I have an 026 Stihl and a 260 pro, but once I cut a Hard Maple log of 31 Inches inside the bark at 45 seconds cut with an 066 magnum with the red eye.
    They are some of the best saws.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for the feedback

  • @GuiltySiNz
    @GuiltySiNz Рік тому +6

    I ain’t never cut down a tree but man that video was informative, well edited and entertaining. Watched the whole thing. Nobody does it like this man. Kudos to you my guy for all the hard work, Very much appreciated.

  • @billcuningham586
    @billcuningham586 Рік тому +1

    As always, your videos are great. I think you get what you pay for and the one thing you can't demonstrate is durability and how long something will last. I had a Stihl chainsaw (sorry can't recall the model) that was still working after 20 years of hard use (lived at the 4,000 foot level in the Sierras in California and heated my home with wood stoves and bucked about 6-7 cords a year). Retired and moved to Oregon and don't heat with wood anymore but bought a Stihl MS251 a couple of years ago since I have about 100 oak trees on my property and still need a chainsaw. I imagine this saw will outlive me.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @shannonwhitaker9630
      @shannonwhitaker9630 Рік тому

      Stihl saws are awesome, especially in the Pro Series. If however you only have $80-100 to spend these 52cc Zenoah clone saws do work well considering the price. It’s luck of the draw because you could get a bad one that is a POS out the box.

  • @matoko123
    @matoko123 Рік тому +6

    Great tests. My bottom end Huskvarna appears rather better than the Stihl. For starters it has a primer, After a winter lay off with old fuel in it she always starts second pull.

  • @genebond
    @genebond Рік тому +3

    As always, thanks for the great info! About 10 years ago, I was needing a new and better chainsaw, and did my research. I got talked into an off brand by a dealer (who is no longer in business), and it only lasted a few years before the oil pump quit. I immediately went to town and bought a Stihl MS251. I couldn't be happier.
    I remember 20 years ago, wishing my saw had a bigger gas tank. Now, I wish it was smaller, so I could justify taking a break more often 😁
    How about a review of Grass/weed/vegetation killers? I like Roundup Extended, but you never know?

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      You are welcome! Thanks for sharing. Thanks for the video idea.

  • @jahmic
    @jahmic Рік тому

    The thing I love most about this channel are the honest reviews. It makes selecting new products much easier since I feel informed.
    The thing I hate most about this channel are the honest reviews. It makes selecting new products much easier by removing my indecision, leaving my wallet much lighter.
    At least this time I have escaped unscathed and more confident that I made the right decision buying my MS261 a few years ago!

  • @theezeelife292
    @theezeelife292 Рік тому +5

    For the prices of the budget saws, there are significantly better saws available for just a little bit more, so the Topteng and 58cc wouldn't even make it on my list. Thanks for the great video. You provide a great service for everyone who wants to get the most out of our money.

    • @peanutgallery5245
      @peanutgallery5245 Рік тому +1

      What slightly more expensive ones would you recommend?

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thanks and you are welcome!

    • @theezeelife292
      @theezeelife292 Рік тому

      @@peanutgallery5245 You can pick up a Ryobi, Craftsmen, or Poulan for between $125 and $185. They're no Stihl or Echo, but they're certainly better than the $100 ones shown here.

  • @samTollefson
    @samTollefson Рік тому

    Here in Florida, because of the occasional hurricane that comes through I have had good luck finding used chain saws at garage sales that were bought to cut up a couple of trees and then lived in the garage for 15 years that are still in like-new condition.
    For occasional use people like this, the Topteng would be a good practical option.

  • @towboatjeff
    @towboatjeff Рік тому +5

    I'd like to see ya take the topteng and see if you can do some upgrades to it to make it perform at the same level as the stihl.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @andrewwastien
      @andrewwastien Рік тому

      @@ProjectFarm I think the holzforma it's the closest thing to a stihl but sometimes they need a carb tune up

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Рік тому

      @@andrewwastien I was thinking the 58cc saw might have needed some tuning.

    • @towboatjeff
      @towboatjeff Рік тому

      @Paul Frederick I highly doubt that saw was truly a 58cc engine. I'd say it was the same exact size as the other if not smaller.

    • @towboatjeff
      @towboatjeff Рік тому

      @@andrewwastien those holzformas are pretty decent from what I've seen.

  • @JasonConBongos
    @JasonConBongos Рік тому +1

    Heck yeah we are ready for the next video! We're Gonna Test Thaaaaat...!

  • @Nuke8401DaveE
    @Nuke8401DaveE Рік тому

    Great video. Long time Stihl guy here, 2-3 pulls is normal on my 034 and MS250. What would really tell the tail would be a few hundred hours of cutting with each.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.

  • @billhesford6098
    @billhesford6098 11 місяців тому +1

    I've tried cheap and they begin just fine. 5 years later they are not even in my garage. I have one stihl almost 20 years old. A husky at 10 years. And they still start!

  • @silversurfer806
    @silversurfer806 Рік тому

    Just bought a MS271 last week to clean up storm damage. Great saw.

  • @natehill8069
    @natehill8069 Рік тому

    In 1981 I bought my dad a Stihl for Christmas, an 010-AV paid about $180 (he had several crap saws that never did anything, so I asked everyone who I thought might know and they all said Stihl was the best). When he passed I got it back. I still have it. But he had loaned it to several people and one of them had set it on fire and the melted crispy handle was very painful to hold, so I bought an MS-170 about 12 years ago, paid about $180. Cold, it starts after 4 pulls with choke, then 3 pulls with just throttle lock. With new blade on it cuts like a lightsaber. No complaints. Well, I like the 1981 saw's carrying case better so I didnt buy a new one.

  • @tommyobrien9480
    @tommyobrien9480 Рік тому +1

    Very interesting thanks for sharing 👍 but the only test you can't do is when each of these saws are 10 years old

  • @brucewhitney7182
    @brucewhitney7182 Рік тому

    Test suggestions.
    Paint stripper,
    Orbital sanders,
    Wood chisels,
    Bandsaw blades,
    Different types of woodworking tools

  • @thewatchertube
    @thewatchertube Рік тому

    OMG the vibration you will have at night from sawing so much! Thank you for a nother great video.

  • @jwalker0594
    @jwalker0594 Рік тому

    I am on my 4th STIHL - first an 036 sold when I moved (temp) to an apartment decades ago - now have an MS180, an 026 and a 362 (small/medium/large!) - all run perfect - the 180 and 362 are computer controlled - NO TUNING!!!
    biggest thing I have to worry with is chain sharpening - 3 or 4 oak cords a year for fireplace - and tank smaller one camping for firewood - the 026 is going on 3rd DECADE and still runs perfect.

  • @Larry-d3i
    @Larry-d3i 10 місяців тому

    I have a husky, a poulan and a chinese knock off. I don't heat the house with wood any more, but I did for 15 years, too old now. If something needs cutting I use the chinese knock off it's called an X Bull. It has a spring load pull start that is easier on my bad back and if there is gas in the carb it's a one pull deal. Cuts just as well as the husky and cost less than a third as much. Probably would not last as long used hard, but I will wear out before it does. Chain brake pops off and stops the chain from vibration so I disabled it.

  • @TheDisruptiveYouTuber
    @TheDisruptiveYouTuber Рік тому

    Topteng looks identical to my Titan saw (except mine has a primer and rocker power switch) and it's done me well for hundreds of hours of use. It has a 45cm bar and sometimes feels a little under powered but I can't fault it all.

  • @looksie
    @looksie Рік тому

    Hey! I've noticed on recent videos you've stopped mentioning where each product is made. It may seem small but that was one of my favourite parts about these videos just because pretty much nowhere else documents country of origin and I feel like that's valuable information that deserves to be preserved. I may be in the minority here since I haven't seen any other comments mentioning it but just wanted to give my two cents.
    Regardless, thank you for all your hard work and for the service you provide by making these videos.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому

      Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

  • @rickylowry3213
    @rickylowry3213 7 місяців тому

    Awesome video! The Topteng saw seems decent for about $100 especially if you only need the chainsaw for one small job and don't plan on using it too frequently

  • @RandomHumanExperiences
    @RandomHumanExperiences Рік тому +1

    VIDEO IDEA. Thermal and longevity testing on the ceramic paints. Not the protective coatings that you’ve done before but the actual thermal paints. There are brands like lizard skin, ceramaX, supertherm ect…

  • @jrisnerny
    @jrisnerny Рік тому

    Great video. I like how you speak quickly but clearly. Feels like I watched a 20 min video in just under 12 with great content.

  • @w1984t
    @w1984t Рік тому

    Gthan 60cc Husky knock off with a 20" bar is what I got off Amazon and it absolutely smoked my rancher 455 in a comparison bucking a 31" cedar log. The top cover, filter and chain break definitely are cheap and will most likey need to be retrofitted with something better, but they haven't broke yet. It has muffler ported to the side and came with a quality, chunky chain. I liked your video and i highly recommend you get one to play with, i guarantee you will be impressed.

  • @patmcbride9853
    @patmcbride9853 Рік тому +1

    I can attest to how hard it is to pull a Stihl starter.
    They used to have compression release levers on the bigger chainsaw engines so you could get some fuel into the cylinder before doing a start pull.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @davidpowell3347
      @davidpowell3347 Рік тому +1

      025/MS250 were very hard to pull (but usually started on one or two good pulls if primer bulb appeared full)
      another one (MS 230 ?) was easier to pull but didn't have as much power
      I think some VEPCO (Virginia Electric Powerco,now "Dominion Energy" work utility trucks used to carry a MS 250

    • @patmcbride9853
      @patmcbride9853 Рік тому

      @@davidpowell3347 No bulb on model, sadly.

  • @awesomesauce2935
    @awesomesauce2935 Рік тому

    I love how Chinese knock-offs like this get reviews titled as such: "A little small", "Love!!! Great for baby room!", "Perfect for a small bedroom apartment", "Great for office supplies and clothing". I mean now I know how they get those tears in brand new jeans.

  • @Glock_Maw
    @Glock_Maw Рік тому +1

    This just came up my mind, i think it would be really interesting for people who work with machines that have micro vibrations. Can you test anti vibration gloves. Like wichones are the best at reducing it etc.
    I think this might be even really interesting

  • @jeff0nyschuk670
    @jeff0nyschuk670 8 місяців тому

    I've modified my XL76 and it kicks out savings 3 inches long not just dust..

  • @erikkaareson6493
    @erikkaareson6493 Рік тому

    I have had built to me some copy Sthil saws. Nice to have more saws for different use without going broke, but I only use them for spesific tasks. If I push them hard, something brakes or falls off, always.😅

  • @TheRealMrBeercan
    @TheRealMrBeercan Рік тому

    One thing I wondered while I watched this video, was how "in tune" were these knock off chainsaws?
    I bought a $100 Gasoline chainsaw, and one thing it says in the own'er's manual that you need to adjust the carburetor and how to adjust the carburetor. The manual also warns not adjust for speed but for power.
    Others who have bought these cheap chainsaws have found that by simply adjusting the carburetor according to the owner's manual they obtain much better performance than they got right out of the box.
    The only problem with the 58cc saw may have been that it was not fully tuned. They just got it to run at the factory and put it in a box.
    I suggest a re-match after having an experienced small engine mechanic set the carburetors.

  • @hardcorebills100
    @hardcorebills100 Рік тому +1

    Great video as always, you've become my go to before I make a purchase if the product in question has been evaluated by you. I'll stick to my Husqvarna and Echo saws though those cheap ones wouldn't be bad to keep in a truck.