A Better Pandemic Playbook (w/Dr. Monica Gandhi)
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Dr. Gandhi talks Flu/RSV/COVID, China's zero-COVID response, MPox, and lessons from HIV for the next pandemic-while searching for true meaning beyond our apparent divisions.
Here's the paper summarizing her proposed pandemic playbook: bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral...
All our episodes with Dr. Monica Gandhi: zdoggmd.com/tag/dr-monica-gan...
Topics & Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
03:27 Influenza, RSV & COVID, "immune debt," viral interference, population immunity, targeted boosting, pregnancy & immunity
12:30 Bivalent boosters, age stratified risk, flu shot uptake, public health’s vaccine messaging failures, China’s zero-COVID policy, mRNA vaccines & the immunocompromised
22:53 Mpox (formerly monkeypox) messaging, why at-risk population targeting is so important
28:17 Monica’s new book Endemic: A Post-Pandemic Playbook, HIV lessons learned but not applied to the COVID pandemic, harm reduction, school closures, global vaccine equity, planning for future pandemics
37:42 Social divisiveness & the moral matrix, societal harms due to the pandemic response, mental health, substance abuse & suicide, the Alt-Middle
44:15 Burnout, healing divisiveness, fostering compassion, searching for meaning through connection, waking up to what “is”
57:46 Final thoughts
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Dr. Gandhi's genuine compassion and love for others is infectious. I absolutely can't get enough of her kind and soothing demeanor.
I so agree 👍
I just love Monica Gandhi!!!
@@plumiegirl47 She exudes kindness, grace, and love, and is one of my favorite humans that I've never met.
I wished more people would have listened to people like Monica. She was the voice of reason in all the madness
The dr was wrong most of the time. Wrong Wrong Wrong. The media called her out on her errors.
I'm a long term survivor of HIV and I am so impressed that Dr. Ghandhi cites the work of early community health activists during the 80's about the importance of not shaming people and using harm reduction models to reach communities that have been stigmatized or even abandoned.
Guilt trips and shame are very effective. Ask any jewish mother.
Dr. Gandhi is one of my favorites, and I really appreciate her ability to explain complex issues using simple language.
An inability to explain complex issues using simple language is a sign that the explaining party doesn't understand the issue him or herself good enough to be able to explain it to others in layman terms.
I am a NOC Med Surg RN in a 230 bed Hospital. I have been doing this for twelve years. I find that over the years, Nursing Leadership keeps pushing us away from direct patient care. So much charting, similar to what has happened to the Attending Docs. In Florence Nightingale time, Nurses were there to assist the Docs and bring comfort to the patient. We are still assisting the Doc but we've left the patient behind in all of our box checking for CMS. Really seeing the patient like GOD as Monica said is sort of what I mean. Anyway, sitting down for five minutes, a warm blanket and cup of hot tea does more for most people than a slew of Medical interventions. Take off the fucking SCDs that the patient is tangled up in. Take off the CPOX (temporarily) so they can be spared the incessant alarming and sit down to their eye level and listen. Its amazing what can be accomplished with an irate patient if you help them gain a little bit of control back by really hearing what they have to say. Just my 2 cents. Thanks guys for this thoughtful exchange.
I have so much reverence for Monica Gandhi! She is spreading light, love and science through her skillful means as a physician. May she inspire a million young minds to continue spreading light and practical science.
Just this past week was thinking how much we need a new episode with Dr Gandhi…Always such a refreshing breath of clarity and calm!!🥰
Something so special and calming about watching you and Dr. Gandhi. Thank you guys for being amazing voices of rational and fact based information. I can watch you guys chat all day long! 🫶🏻
Those who made the many horrific errors of judgement based on their personal politics and not on science must be removed from their positions of power so they cannot repeat those mistakes. That must be the lesson for those who replace them.
I LOVE it when you have Monica Gandhi on your show. My favorite parts of this podcast are the last 15 minutes when she talks about how we have to heal (as a country) and have compassion for each other and stop the hate. And I love your acute observation that, "We have religion, but we don't have God."
Oh really?? What about all the hate that so called un v xed people have been subjected to over the last 2 years?
Never forgive, never forget and demand retribution is a much better way!
So I'm sitting here with Covid, got kleenex hanging out my nose, feeling a little grumpy, tbh, and what do I come across but Dr. Gandhi and Dr. Z, and I'm suddenly smiling from ear to ear! But then I hear that her husband passed away, and I'm sad again. But then they talk about how the experience was a window into transcendence, into god, if you will, and my smile becomes as wide as the horizon, as wide as the breadth of the universe that's present in just an instant of consciousness.
Looking forward to the book...
God bless Dr Ghandi and Dr ZD. 21:25 = Great Barrington Declaration’s spirit. God bless Dr Jay Bhattacharya of the GBD as well. I’m honored to call all 3 wise and precious friends aligned with sanity and mental health. Thank you for all you have done and are doing. I’m here rowing with you, even when against currents of fear and those that can’t connect the dots of holistic public health. Stay 💪🏽❤️🙏🏽
Have you looked into excess death data? Please do, it seems like something needs looking into.
I'd watch you two talk about any topic any time. Wonderful discussion.
Dr. Gandhi has been the epitome of "The man in the ring." The person (Doctor in this case), who pulled together the courage to place herself in the crosshairs to tell the truth. She, and you, got me through the pandemic with my mental health mostly intact. I thank you both.
❤ this pod cast. Dr Gahndi is wonderful. Why the delay in publication of the book? We need it now! Dr Gahndi, I am so sorry for the loss of your husband. I am thankful your family was able to have the experience in India. How beautiful. Keep touching lives and being authentically you!
I love episodes with Monica Gandhi! What a completely lovely, gentle, brilliant soul.
Dr Gandhi is brilliant, articulate and a genuine beautiful person. I love when the two of you collaborate and share intelligent information. Peace and love to all this holiday season and beyond
Yay!! She’s back. Love and admire her ❤
Thank you both for your compassion for everything. It’s sorely needed. True healers.
As a deconstructing Christian who spent three months in northern India studying Buddhism (almost 20 years ago), I am struck by the opening statements about God being everywhere there. It’s so true. Everyone is faithful and reverent to something/someone.
That’s what started my path to questioning the absolutism of Christianity and becoming alt-middle.
It can’t be all or nothing. It just can’t. It’s all and everything.
Thank you. I’m literally crying right now because I’ve been so grieved that I lost my faith. I was starting to believe that it was foolish to have faith. But in less than 2 minutes you both turned me back around. It’s foolish not to believe. God is everything. Not the tiny punishing version of modern American evangelicalism.
Blessings to you both!
One of may favorite sayings is "If two people agree on everything, only one of them is doing the thinking." This channel perfectly illustrates this for me. I don't agree with everything, but I really do enjoy the way ideas are presented and discussed. Thanks.
I've heard from 1000's of people that said they regret having had the jabs and stopped getting them, but have yet to find even one person (anywhere) that says they wish they had had them.
Really enjoyed this conversation with Dr Gandhi. This week marks the 4 year anniversary of my husband's death. I was very touched hearing her speak about how spiritually powerful her trip to India was. 🙏 Also, I always greatly appreciate hearing another very balanced perspective on Covid!
This is the very best Podcast I have ever seen. I have listened to it 3 times and posted on FB and sent to others by email.. Dr Monica Gandhi Is the doctor we all want to have in our corner. I wish the haters and anti-vaxers could all see this and see the love that emanates from this woman. I am 75 and I just wish they would talk a little slower. 🤣
I can't even begin to describe how blessed the world is to have Dr Gandhi and all off her beauty. Please continue to do more shows. You are the light that many people are searching for.
I love listening to Dr. Gandhi. She has so much compassion and care for others.
I'm on the right, I love Dr. Ghandi. I even love Bernie. I know most lefties are good people who just see the world a little differently than I do. I pray that someday we can all see that. Thank you for the great, very informational video!
Important to know the following information:
In the clinical trial for Moderna’s pediatric COVID-19 vaccine, the children who received the vaccine, experienced higher rates of RSV, than those who received the placebo. In Pfizer’s pediatric COVID-19 vaccine trial, RSV was listed as one of the serious adverse events among the children who received the Covid shot.
The FDA’s vaccine advisory committee noted the correlation, and stressed, the importance of continued safety, surveillance, in particular for respiratory infections, RSV, and pneumonia, in young children.
❤❤❤Dr. Monica!! love her twitter feed too! I have learned so much. Thank you for having her on again!
I was just wondering early this weekend when Dr Gandhi would be back on. She has the kindness and compassion of Mother Teresa, and is a healer. She emanates peace and good energy-a real spirit.
Absolutely love Dr. G!! Keep having her back!
This is really refreshing to listen to. I have someone close to me who is immune compromised and still won’t engage with people in person, encourages universal masking, and shares content that implies a return to normalcy (even vaccinated) is a eugenicist standpoint. It’s heartbreaking but I know the blowback effect of sharing something like this will just make it worse. Thanks for what you guys do!
Dr.G is our go in SF, she is so gracious when she is interviewed on our local news
Really excellent podcast today! Love Monica despite her tough stance on masking early on. Like a good scientist, she evolved based on the Science. As a UCSF grad, I look forward to her book!
Thank you both Dr Ghandi and Zdogg as always for sharing your insight and wisdom. I also appreciate your recognition of the significant psychological and sociological problems we still face due to the pandemic. As an intensivist I witnessed the medical issues firsthand. Now in 2022 we are still living with unseen scars from a worldwide traumatic event. The surge of ARDS and ventilator shortages may have faded but the isolation and fear is still with us. May we all learn from this experience and face our next pandemic with courage, knowledge and trust.
That beginning, beautiful and so glad you both can be so real🙏
What a beautiful episode! Loved this one maybe most of them all. Such a sense of peace throughout. Thanks to both of you!
So much love, compassion and wisdom! Thank you.
2:54 Monica is a beautiful soul and Zdogg is entertaining and smart. I’m just disappointed Dogg, over the last couple years, never talked about safety signals due to the C-19 jabs. At least his brilliant buddy’s VP and Marty Makary have done a great job on it. I like Zdogg’s content but when he was telling everyone to “Just get vaccinated”. I refused to get jabbed and most of my friends and colleagues are unvaccinated. We got Covid, recovered, have natural immunity and are alive and well. All the best to Zdogg and Monica
Could they discuss myocarditis from mRNA vaccines?
I don’t think they wanna have that discussion but they’ll be forced to since so many are falling ill and/or dying from ❤ issues! There’s an issue with blood clots as well.
I mean they have at length in multiple episodes….. it would be a bit repetitive to make every single episode about that.
I am in healthcare and no longer trust healthcare. The damage is tremendous
I really found this discussion worthwhile .... Thank you for your knowledge, compassion for humanity, truthful sharing ... Peace be with you both ... from an old lady in BC, Canada.
This was THE best Zdogg episode yet❣️. If Dr Gandhi were head of CDC, it might help restore trust in our public health institutions, imho. I’d still probably not get boosted tho:-). Tthis episode rocked . . . and gave me hope. Namaste, y’all 🙏🥰
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That's all the meaning in life I need.
Also, the elderly in nursing homes are SO SICK AND TIRED OF COVID AND CMS!! Our vaccination rates in SNF are going WAY down, even for flu and pneumonia. These are humans with rights. Just because they are vulnerable does not give government the right to control their choices and right to living the remainder of their lives as they choose.
Thank you Thank you Thank you ZDogg and Dr. Gandhi for emphasizing the importance of risk stratification. The fact that you actually applied this risk stratification to your own family as an ID doctor - Kudos!
love when Dr. Ghandi is on the show
❤thank you. Both so much. We are one. No duality. I totally agree on spreading the light. Just being present. Compassion is key. Can’t wait for the book 💗
This was just so uplifting. Thank you.
Oh my gosh! I had a similar experience of having a patient’s face shift into that of God. It changed me as a physician. Thanks for sharing!
Great episode; hard facts, no vitriol. I hope Vinay listened and clued into Dr. Gandhi's compassionate heart and grace.
No amnesty, until hurt and damaged people are taken care of.
Hey Z! Im hoping to film full length podcasts in the near future. I’ve always enjoyed your video quality, what camera are you currently using?
RED cinema Komodo 6K
fast forwarding to the end about spirituality...thank you!
what an amazing talk! I want to read her book NOW!
This was a very helpful conversation. Thank you for the clear explanation of risk and the current state of disease spread.
Rational, balanced!! Thanks!
Thank you for mentioning Seoul tragedy. I always watch this channel even in South Korea
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Well..... It's about time. I am finally hearing some truth. Been waiting a looooong time. I hope "they" are listening.
Great as always. I wish the current MERS outbreak at the World Cup in Qatar could have been covered but this podcast was likely produced before news of it went viral.
Thank you
95% DONE and I agree Monica !
Wow! What an excellent podcast!! I hope that everyone what ever side of the political spectrum you see the mistakes. My most concerning take away was how children in developing countries and all those developing countries were hurtfully affected
I have a friend who had a legitimate neurological reaction to the covid vaccine. Her doctor told her not to get any more. As a result, she lost her ability to volunteer with an organization that she's been with for years because they require volunteers to be up to date on vaccines and won't give her an exemption. Very sad. ☹️
59:53 to 59:56 - Great impression!
Dr. Gandhi’s retrospective summary of the pandemic policies as well as the current biology of COVID and the “Tripledemic” is timely and essential. When her book comes out next July, how can I get an autographed copy?
I use to like Monica Gandhi and I still think she was more reasonable than most public health voices. However- when delta started to break through the vaccines, she came on the zdoggmd show and said that because of delta she was in favor of vaccine mandates. That confused the hell out of me. mandates only make sense if we are sure there is a community benefit and they stop transmission. Delta showed that the current vaccines do not stop transmission. At that point- getting the vaccines should have been a personal decision as they have nothing to do with community spread.
Can't wait to get all the way through this. Love you both
Excellent information!! Thanks very much!! Sensible medicine!!
Love!
My goal (as we discussed via email) is necessarily to unite US (the electorate) vs. the Healthcare Industry/politicians & change the way sausage is made in Washington. It's the ONLY was IMHO that we get reform that benefits US!
What can be learned from the second-largest continent on the planet by both land and population that had very little vaccination and death, and moved on from it long before the parts of the world that this discussion is focused on?
I think Monica made a mistake at the beginning of the podcast when she said that CDC no longer recommends asymptomatic testing patients in Healthcare settings. I checked the CDC website and there's nothing about no long recommending testing asymptomatic patients. If anyone sees something please share but I don't see anything
outstanding! thank you ( I'm a retired RN, I have a good idea what I'm watching! )
Do you have any plausible explanation on excess mortality - did you ever look into this?
Is part of her playbook that we should mandate vaccines because that’s what I remember her advocating for.
Can you please look into "Died Suddenly" and give us your take?
These sicko liberals won't touch that movie with a 10-foot pole.
Thanks!
Dude! Thank YOU!
Phenomenal
Monika, I am so happy for your son. I love everything about Indian spirituality. Namaha.
Z, I would like to attend your little private retreat, really....
Still peddling vaccines?
Such an awesome interview. I can listen to you both all day AND I'm a conservative! You are both so logical. Remember white people are poor as well. The color of our skin doesn't matter as much as social/financial/education level.
Just the other day I was wondering about Monica because I hadn't seen her for a while.
Thanks to you Dr. Z, I was able to make some sense through all the contradictory messages that were being spread during the pandemic. Many thanks to Dr. Gandhi for her contribution, in order to help us escape insanity.
Lots of interesting information, although I think Dr Gandhi is wrong to credit vaccination with "stopping" the pandemic. There are plenty of countries with low vaccination rates with similar or better outcomes. Natural immunity being ignored or understated, which is disappointing.
These are basically two UCSF bred docs presenting the UCSF point of view. It's a mindset. At least Gandhi realizes that many progressives are not at all pragmatic. Her political assumptions are disturbing tho. Not everyone is right or left. But she makes a great point about how political rigidity poisons common sense on either side.
Great discussion and synopsis of what motivated “experts” and the media to do the wrong thing - politics.
Loved this convo for many reasons, but I wonder if either of you think there are circumstances under which "apologies" are simply not enough to redress wrongs and harms that were superimposed when those who committed them knew better but did so because of partisan politics?
So in other words, you agree with the Great Barrington declaration? Wish you had the courage to come out in support of its authors back when they were being censored and attacked by the media and Fauci et al.
I’m still confused as to how Clovid over dominated influenza.. ? Wouldn’t it be possible to suffer from both? Viral interference is a mystery to me..
How does natural immunity work when my sister had Covid in August and then has it again in December. I am 3x vaxxed and had Covid in October. Wondering if there is a point to getting a booster in January as public health where I live mandâtes you wait 3 months after infection to get boosted. At the same time … not keen on the idea of booster after booster.
Immunity against infection/reinfection is short-term, immunity against severe disease is mid to long-term
Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.
Dr. Ghandi, at 46:18, we saw you as G-d… your compassion, caring and deep empathy for the humans around you is palpable because it’s not just what you do- it’s who you are. I hold both of you in this space of spirituality and understanding the beauty and compassion of humans like no other…
best episode ever!! please make all healthcare and media persons listen to this
Dr Aseem Malhotra, MD is the best
It doesn’t seem to me that it falls politically all the time. It seems more like peoples rate of fear in life. But I still don’t see the other side clearly but I try to respect their choices. But when I see the harms done it is very difficult to not reply back. But trying to enlighten someone is useless so I usually don’t respond and walk away but it leaves a huge scare of hopelessness in me that is hard to overcome.
Ignoring all the ongoing extra dead people data.
Thank you! It was wonderful hearing from Dr. Gandhi!
Is Synagis not a vaccine for RSV?
Thank you both for the discussion. I think that there is an element of the school issue that you both have not considered. There were children who died from COVID-19. Yes, not that many compared with older adults. But it did happen. Prior to vaccines and the antivirals, we felt panicked and were grasping for what we could do to protect everyone. There are some places that struggle with school absenteeism. If children were required to attend school amidst a potentially deadly virus, then became ill or died, then the school system could be perceived to be potentially legally responsible for the death or injury because the children were required to be there. The schools are a critical safety net for children, absolutely, but some people viewed education as less important than survival. I would also like to point out that there are plenty of white poor children and families that depend on school services, not just those of color. However, these families may have viewed school attendance in the early pandemic as dangerous to their health. Especially if they had already been in conflict with the school for their child having poor attendance, which can happen for a multitude of reasons.
Are you cognizant of the fact that children died of respiratory viruses prior to the pandemic? Probably even more children, as flu was not as prevalent when COVID was and it was less lethal in kids?
@@MsACC2011 Absolutely, having been a RN for 25 years and a nurse practitioner for 5 years. The Covid-19 pandemic was a completely different situation than the vast majority of us had experienced in our lifetimes. What l can tell you about the area that I am in, is that we had parents taking their healthy children out of school when a classmate died of influenza a few years ago. Some parents here view education as less important than survival. They would not hesitate to file a lawsuit if they had a child die of Covid-19 after being obligated to attend school in the early pandemic. And our school administrators were well aware of this.
@@dawnbarchett8026 What happened w/COVID is not following prior protocols, not following science or data, a state controlled media, constant propaganda, and politicization of everything. Also perpetuation of a continuously more ignorant citizenry. A kid can catch something at school and die and they always could and always will have that risk. That's life and risk management.
I may have missed it but has anyone figured out why children are not as at risk for severe disease from the covid-19 virus?
Got the flu shot in 2020 and 2021 when it was not the thing. But for some reason(laziness) I have not gotten it this year. I should btw.