Exposing the Duggar Family Secrets! | Melissa Rivers Group Text
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- In the eye-opening Prime Video documentary series, "Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets," Melissa Rivers engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Director Olivia Crist and Executive Producer Blye Faust. Unveiling the dark underbelly of the Institute for Basic Life Principles (ILBP), the series goes beyond the seemingly fruitful Duggar family (of TLC's "19 Kids and Counting") to expose a web of nefarious schemes. Through firsthand accounts from family members who have escaped the organization, viewers gain a rare glimpse into the cult's disturbing practices, including the suppression of women, enduring years of sexual abuse, and the alarming grooming of future generations of young men with a mission to blur the line between church and state.
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Who didn’t think the Dugger’s were off the deep end? All I could think of when watching them was every cult I ever learned about!
You’re absolutely right. They were a freak show. Like the Teen Moms.
So very true; and yet, it was even worse than I thought it would be.
Isn’t this just every family in the Bible Belt or just the 1950s America.
@@dustinolvey8877 southerner here. You are incorrect. And exactly what is your problem with the Bible. It is literature. It is history. It is an examination of the very nature of mankind. Portions of it have been around for over 4,000 years. Certainly it is abused. What isn’t?
I just thought they were dorky just like the Brady bunch
The staggering amount of inappropriate behavior that has gone unchecked is mind boggling! That "reality" shows like the Duggars still fall through the cracks of child labor laws is unconscionable. Jim Bob and Michelle should be criminally prosecuted for how they have exploited their children and deprived them of even the most basic education. The whole thing is disgusting.
No different than those skanks on Teen Mom pimping out their endless brats that they pop out at a rate that rivals the Duggars. At least the Duggar kids all have the same father😂😂. OMG. Something positive to say about the Duggars
Re: comment; yes I think for sure that Jim-Bob should be nailed! Probably Michelle should be investigated by a lie-detector machine! Maybe the parents should be separated & then questioned. This is absolutely sickening & tragic in every sense of the word!
Tlc also has a responsibility to these... the children, now adults I believe.
@@roriemarie2968
TLC, the learning channel. A division of the Discovery Channel. It’s ironic in a Shakespearean way.
JB manipulator extraordinaire who groomed his equally narcissistic son to be a very poor representation for all Chrtians. I was raised to get a proper education for which my parents sacrificed for us and then I went on to get a BA. it’s just this section that is particularly disturbing because the Bible doesn’t teach you to SA or be a pedo instead Jesus taught passive self awareness and treating others with respect, love, and understanding because that which created us is love
JB didn’t just make money off of the show. The Duggars also received money from love offerings and money from making appearances. It is outrageous how he used his children for profit and kept most of the money for himself.
Agreed because it doesn’t sound like he took into consideration child labor laws
Jimbob is an atrocious emotional abuser. Who signs the adult kids on a lifetime nda and contract to film for him for life?? Lifetime control
I recently found out about this lifetime deal the creep dad made his kids sign. The fact that he is making money from his adult kids You Tube videos is abhorrent. I would occasionally watch, but not subscribe. I’m done with them..
Scientology.
Really good interview with these ladies. Shiny Happy People is very well done. I commend the IBLP survivors who participated in the docuseries. I hope it's healing for them all. Thank you for shining (ha!) a light on this series!!! ❤❤❤
Thanks so much for listening!
Everyone who has spoken up is tremendously brave and should be honored for their wonderful courageous contribution.
Keep speaking up. Send up the warning on these uneducated single issue politicians. We will support the opposition.
Great vlog Melissa. Going to subscribe.
Up to go CT, zee lol
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I don’t speak colloquial. I actually received an education.
I always remind people that no one knows when they could lose a mate and be left to raise children on their own, so my recommendation is to be educated enough to have a career if needed.
Bobye Holt, from the documentary, just had a 10-year restraining order placed against her husband, Jim, for abuse of her and their kids. It's well known in the fundie community that Jim was abusive, but they still had him on the documentary.
Where can I find that?
What?
Hi KJ!
It’s true. Katie..crystal ball showed proof. The restraining order or what it is.
Yes, I heard that. A lot of people are angry that the Holts were even in the Docuseries.
Jim Bob and Michelle should be arrested for fraud.
When I first saw the Duggers I thought this family was too good to be true.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Authorities need to get involved.
I watched all 4 episodes, I watched "19 kids & counting" since day one...I was blown away and everyone should watch this horror story. 😢
The information on the IBLP has been out there online for many many years. For instance, there was the website "No Longer Quivering" started by survivors. This documentary just puts it out into the mainstream.
🎉 read eddrreee Erica 😊
I, too, watched the episodes back to back last night. I was stunned by the overwhelming cruelty that Michelle displayed during "blanket time". I was shocked at the abuse she considered normal. The series was excellent and I commend the Director and Executive Producer for bringing this cult, IBLP, to light.
It was very disturbing how giddy she was about practicing blanket time with her children!
So much for basic developmental skills. It astounds me how stupidly cruel these people are.
@@judyp.6753 I thought I knew what this was, but it's so much worse! Did not know a toy was placed by a blanket to lure the baby off of the blanket, that's... It's abuse, you're right.
It's amazing to me that anyone gets out of this cult, these families, with any joy or hope at all.
When I went to Google blanket training, I think I typed maybe 4 letters and the rest auto filled, so i hope that means people are looking into this, and that some good can come from this docuseries. 💜
@@judyp.6753 exactly Michelles eyes lit up and she really enjoyed explaining the process
Isn't that state trooper in prison for the same thing as Josh Duggar?
One is, yes, not sure if he was local police or a state trooper. Seeing people ask why the authorities never stepped in, it's because they were surrounded with people who were very happy to keep a lot of secrets. I don't live very far from where they are, and everyone knows everyone 's business in small towns. What I don't understand is why.
@AmyLynnHunt. I remember reading about Alice… I think it was in Recovering Grace. Didn’t she expose the Duggars. That was way back when I used to go down many rabbit holes. Do you know anything about that?
I watched the Duggars for years as much as I was disturbed by the home school curriculum & the extreme patriarchy of the IBLP framework for families … all at the hands of Bill Gothard, who was never married & never had any children. The story of Josh’s abuse - over years - of his younger sisters, as well as his extramarital activities and addiction to pornography, including CP was not a secret to those who followed the show, & most definitely, not to TLC. I firmly believe that TLC was complicit in giving the Duggars this platform for as long as they did, knowing about the abuse, that the kids weren’t ever paid until Jill took legal action years later, & even that contracts were being signed by Michelle & Jim Bob for some of their adult children long after they were legally adults. TLC wanted to keep the cash cow that was the whole Duggar empire, no matter what that cost in suffering for so many, as countless people joined the IBLP because of the Duggars. A number of families even uprooted & moved to Northwest Arkansas. Why did TLC choose to turn a blind eye? It seems as if the media is dancing around implicating TLC in all of this and I think that’s wrong . It’s obvious why TLC kept going w/ the show if you also look at a # of other shows TLC has &, in some cases, continues to produce, notably Welcome to Plathville & Sister Wives. Just look at what has come out about those shows in the last couple of years & how TLC covered up other abuses & toxic environments for women and kids, including violations of child labor laws. While not exactly the same as the Duggars, there are many parallels underneath.
I won’t watch TLC anymore because of what has come out & I made that choice over a year ago. All of the women & kids involved deserved so much more than they got from TLC when it came to the truth, but money was clearly more important than protecting kids. It’s despicable, imo, & my heart goes out to all victims of this cult & others like it out there, especially Jill Duggar Dillard, for being so courageous in taking the veil off this “shiny happy family.” Great name for the documentary, btw. .
The child labor laws in Arkansas are supposed to really cruddy, I keep meaning to actually look into it. There was a bill that that the current Governor is said to have Vetoed recently that would have improved this, but I think TLC is culpable for some of it too.
@@amylynnhunt55 - The current governor, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who herself spent part of her youth in the IBLP as her dad, also a former governor of Arkansas, was a big supporter & even brought his family in to it for several years, did just veto a bill that would have improved child labor laws in Arkansas. She is a fundamentalist Christian still & is doing a lot to bring God & her religious beliefs into policies & laws in her state.
Wordy but articulate. You’re correct. Boycott TLC and all derivatives, boycott advertising that supports this abusive behavior.
@@mindakahn9964 - I was an English major in college years ago & brevity has never been my strong point, sorry🤦🏻♀️😂
The couple that was the Duggar’s friends. The man got a restraining order against him by his wife and child-for abuse
Like many affected by the cult teachings of the IBLP… we’ve watched the Duggars and waited for this day. Never missed an episode. IMO- the docuseries didn’t go far enough. Who’s controlling the millions made by the IBLP since Gothard stepped down? What about the abates? What about all the Duggar and Bates kids who have you tube channels now and continue to promote the ideals of this patriarchal cult?
Jim Bob Duggar controls the $ coming in to all the kid’s UA-cam channels, w/ the exception of Jill & Ginger. I suspect Gil Bate’s has something similar, but I don’t know.
Bill Gothard. I only had a brush with his cult in my teens. Just that has stayed in my mind for decades, so anyone who has been taught this every day of their life.... it's heart breaking, and sickening. I just lost Prime, hopefully will get to watch eventually. Thank you for talking about this!
All of these shows are making the rounds of the streaming services. You will see it one day. In the meantime it’s probably not anything you don’t know. Just chill and meditate. If I had survived this life I don’t know if I’d watch this. And, that’s kind of the key, Jill Dillard jeeps talking about chow it dredges it all up. She needs therapy even if it’s group with other survivors of assault. It won’t go away just because you put your head in the sand.
This doc was amazing. Organizations like this deserve to be exposed.
Thank you for this interview Melissa ❤ thank you to the director and producer too 🙏❤️
Thank you so much for listening. Appreciate the support!
I want to know where was social services during these events. TLC never reported what was going on with these children .this was child abuse. or they filming with Michelle put her new babies on blankets and beat them into submission? and as we saw the documentary it was fun for them to be beaten on blankets let's play a beat up baby game. this is really bad stuff and those people should be in jail along with their son. to left and are healing to charge their parents with abuse.
Agreed & that’s why I feel that TLC is complicit in all of this. They filmed the Duggars continually for years, but TLC chose money over doing what was right for those children.
Shame on TLC, they continued to film the Duggars all for the sake of the almighty dollar!!!
Remember...that couple had some shady business happening as well. He "dated/courted" his wife when she was a minor & they joked it off stating "he didn't know" 😏🙄
One of the saddest things in the documentary was explaining why the children always ‘behaved’ on camera. They were beat into submission and constantly threatened that they would burn in hell if they did not submit.
I lived in an environment just like that or worse - i escaped at age 57 - i never knew any differently
Break A Leg, Melissa ♡
My late mother adored your mother ♡
Mine too 💜
I hope Wilmer Valderrama vets the creators that he is going to be using for his upcoming documentary that he is working on for 7M. There is one UA-camr that is rumored to be involved in it, but that is just what it is, a rumor. At the same time, if anyone reading the comments, and can reach out to him, just make sure he vets whomever he is thinking about using, and really research them. Please, research them. Right now, they are having psychological issues as to why they aren't being included in SHP. I mean serious issues where many people are concerned for their mental well being.
How is it that adults will go after public schools for celebrating Pride but won't speak up against this organization when it's actually of what they're doing towards children in the form of grooming and molestation
What they say and what they mean are 2 different things. Stop taking what they say at face value and watch what they do.
“No one really knew.” I call bs on that. TLC knew a great deal & chose to keep it quiet to make money. THAT should be called out as it’s the elephant in the room.
… & why didn’t Amazon vet Jim Holt more when they were warned about him prior to or during the early part of production? That’s a question I definitely have.
Vet him for what? They did. He wasn't part of the IBLP. He was only part of this doc to give testimony to things with Josh Duggar and JimBob. Holt was there for much of what happened. Josh stayed with them. His daughter dated Josh. Even the US govt knew that he and Bobye had much to offer in sharing their experience regarding Josh Duggar. He was there when Josh confessed to the cop, Josh confessed to the Holts. They only had to vet that he was in fact there for all of this and that his recollection of events with Josh are likely factual. His ROs didn't happen until this year anyway. Anything before then was just rumor by gossip tubers.
@@EKCPeopleSuck Thank you! Your response was perfectly stated. I'm not sure if this person is KJ herself or one her stans, but either way, they can't think critically.
@@angieh8049 I don’t think she really has any stans. She has troll accts for the purpose of trying to make her look good and others look bad. I suspect they are run by her and members of her team, aka Todd, Jessi, Scarlet, and a couple others, for a fee of course.
@@EKCPeopleSuck - Although the restraining order wasn’t taken out until this year, the reports of abuse by Jim Holt against his wife and children has been rumored for years. It was actually his daughter who shared that information so I don’t think that part is speculation.
As far as the IBLP, although Jim and Bobby left the IBLP, they were immersed in it for years. So many men who have been part of the IBLP have had issues with abuse, & Jim’s involvement likely played a role in his abusive behavior.
@@liseklerekoper2441 I do believe his daughter, though like it or not, kids do lie about parents at times. Just look at the shit katie has been saying about her own parents.
They were never in the IBLP. They attended a few seminars and such. Abuse isn't because of the iblp, the iblp is because of abuse. The iblp doesn't create abusers. Humans create abusers and abuse happens. Orgs like the iblp are then created as a masking for such abuse.
Jim Bob is a very sick man.
And his wife is very sick
Great interview! I appreciate your prospective and the questions you asked. I've watched several videos on the docuseries and yours by far is one of the best I've seen. I think your point of view made the difference. I've followed the Duggars and the IBLP for several years and I am still amazed as to how gullible how people can be. Thanks for a great view!
One of the Roloff kids was abused by a TLC camera guy. Not surprising that TLC isn’t talking!
TLC a is absolute trash and so many evil things have been given their green light. They should be out of business IMO.
Excellent work, Melissa! I started the podcast, watched the series, then circled back. Kudos to the documentarians and hope for healing AND renumeration for the survivors. I'm curious why the Jackie Coogan law does not apply to reality show children?
At last a very interesting discussion on a podcast, guests who know what they are talking about and an intelligent well judged interviewer in Melissa. Really enjoyed this show. 🎉
It was interesting because it was nearly unbelievable. I was always waiting for the covers to be pulled back. I clear this subconscious trauma (caused by narcissistic abuse) everyday with clients. It really holds people back from success.
Love the questions
great video, thank you guys!
Melissa, take a look at the Willis family. VERY talented musical group. Dad molested all the daughters from very early childhood. Even worse than the Duggars in some ways. Dad is in prison for 50 years.
I know!!!
Not all ppl who home school their children are abusers, but many abusers turn to homeschooling as the option for isolation. Public and private schools are filled with teachers, counselors, educated people who are all mandated reporters. These adults are the biggest enemy to systemic familial abuse.
Aw, i miss your mom 💚
I watched the Duggar family when they first were on t.v. and through the years. I often thought that they were a strange family. I also used to think that some day one of those kids will write a tell all book. The reason I said they were strange is because unlike a normal family the kids always either got along or never complained about helping out. Normally there is resistance from time to time. Also the way Michelle would dress her daughters and the girls never wore pants.
Well, I know much more than I knew back then and I find it so sad because the parents were in full denial and enabled that oldest kid.
I feel very sad for the daughters to have had to go through what the oldest kid put them through.
I think that suppression of normalcy can lead to bizarre behavior.
I completely agree with you it never seemed natural they lived to much of a sheltered lifestyle. I knew deep down those kids were not happy growing up in that environment. What woman could possibly be happy being pregnant that many times, then use the older girls to dump all the responsibility off on them. I really believe Josh’s issues was the beginning of JimBob’s downfall his chickens have definitely come home to roost.
The harm and abuse especially toward women and girls all in the name of religion. It is disgusting.
WhAT ABOUT TLC. They knew too much, and still bought the shows.
And another words Jim, Bob Duggar Took he’s religion and ran with it. Jim Bob needs too be held
accountable for this. His girls are suffering from this. Because he didn’t do anything about it when it happened.
This was a great video!! Thank you
Good to see you on here. Hope you and your family are doing well. I did watch the docuseries. Sickened me. But it's not like I don't know they exist.
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So sick what is going on as we speak with these families. They all have UA-cam channels and are making tons of money - the Bates of Bringing of Bates are also a TV family in the IBLP and we’re on UP TV for years. Again they all have channels and the father preaches Gothard’s word in his own ‘church’. To this day!
Gil Bates, I believe, is on the board of the IBLP.
It’s all about money
@@debbiecooper8136 yes he IS!!!!!
Yep, Gil Bates is on the board for the IBLP, & there is plenty to unearth there as well. Joy Anna Duggar & Carlin Bates remain BFF’s to this day. During Josh’s trial last year, there was an attempt to drag the Bate’s in to his crimes just because Carlin was texting him about a car she was interested in. The low’s Joh Duggar & his parents were willing to go to try & get him acquired is sickening, when everyone knows how guilty he is.
It seems like there could be more to this story. How about a season 2!?
A new family every season!?
I read an article in the Times and the producers all said what was included was the tip of the IBLP iceberg.
The depths of American political penetration and who is related to this movement, perhaps???
@@gemp5651 It’s awful, the fact they want to send their cult out into government in all positions gave me chills! The first thing that came to mind was, they are just like the New World Order, they also are trying to control the world! Except the IBLP, is pretending to be Christian’s. So, does that mean the IBLP is as EVIL as the NWO?! That makes them really scary!!!
You ask why the kids don't sue Jim Bob and TLC. They don't sue because Jim Bob has kept his children legally naive and they don't realize that this is an option. Additionally, the kids are afraid to rebel against their father. I think that Jill and Derrick did get an attorney in order to get compensated.
I watched it and episode 3 was so hard to watch it was so disturbing .
Great video! Thank you for the coverage!! I was raised Catholic and never saw anything like this while growing up in Maine.💕💕💕
I binge-watched the entire 4 episodes back to back as well, and I thought it was extremely well done. My only complaint is that they used Jim Holt when it has been known in this fundie community, that he was abusive in many ways. Since this filming, his wife, and at least one of his children filed a restraining order against him. Did the producers not know about this beforehand?
One of the UA-cam channels I follow who has covered the Duggars for years, Without a Crystal Ball w/ 335K subscribers, said that she was contacted by Amazon to possibly participate in the series but chose not to because of her concern about Jim Holt being included, & that she warned them about him, but they proceeded anyway. Not sure if that’s the whole story but that’s what I’ve heard.
I see people on here commenting to check out KJ that she knows more . She is lying about choosing not to be I. The documentary because Jim holt was involved or the other lie she tried that Jim didn’t want her involved . She actually wasn’t used for the doc because when they vetted her they saw how many lies she has told and how problematic she is . Also the fact that she has been involved in many lawsuits for decimation. She is currently involved in a lawsuit. Please research her before watching . Check woacb vs woacb . They use her own words to tell how I often she lies. She also has a subredit dedicated to her and you can see how many lies she told and how many have been hurt . She is also deleting comments from actual ibpl survivors. She has said horrible things about the Duggar girls an even had a sponsor dump Jessa . The vast majority of what she reports is made up or garnered from redit. She has said so many times she was involved in various documentaries and even the dr Phil show. However this is been shown not to be the case as she hasn’t been invoked in anything but making things up this far.
Thinking Amazon was bamboozled by Jim Holt like KJ is trying to push is naive on your part. KJ’s history goes further back than the Holt’s did and Amazon knew to not to use her as a credible source, hence the decision to use Fundie Friday instead. You seem to have been drinking too much KJ kool aid to not see the whole picture here. It’s ok. I’m sure others have commented on your several posts you’ve made on this thread showing you the light. With peace, love and respect ✌️
You have a natural talent interviewing. You remind me of Katie Couric. Such a sad story and so many victims from this horrible religion.
Katy from "without a crystal ball" on youtube has LOTS of info on the Duggars and some of the other people in the religious group. She just posted why she was not involved in the documentary. Very interesting and eye opening.
She wasn’t asked to be in the doc. The people who produced this were real producers, they weren’t LARPing as professionals like Katie does. Katie exploits victims, turns on them, releases their DMs, has even said “off the record doesn’t always mean off the record,” has lied on almost everyone she’s covered or works with, has lied about sources, settled 2 defamation cases by giving up her sources because she harmed the people who sued her and knew she would lose, and is way too excited to discuss horrific crimes like CSAM in great and gross detail. She is a giant trigger for survivors. Please stop recommending her to unsuspecting victims.
No, she doesn't, and WOACB is a full-blown liar and she lies to you Amazon never approached WOACB
Per all "Homeschooling Mamas" Homeschooled children are far better educated than Public School kids. Ive always been wary of this claim.
You should look up the test score and college graduation stats of homeschooled children vs public schooled children.
It's called the TLC curse....seriously, there is a curse!!!! I've said this for years!
They talked about how one of the takeaways from this docuseries was how we should be watching to see who was looking out for the children. That’s a little hard to do when the gov of the state, Sarah Huckabee, just signed a bill into law that makes it EASIER to engage children as basically slave labor. And the Huckabee’s are great friends and supporters of the Duggar’s, so there is something hinky going on there.
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Mike Huckabee was very active in the IBLP for years until the scandals w/ Josh were made public. Huckabee, his wife, & kids practiced the IBLP teachings for years, & now look who is running the state.🤦🏻♀️
@@debbiescott6836 I had no idea that the Palin’s were actually part of the IBLP, though I know they were fundamentalist Christians. Wow!!
The Huchabees are something else, .I’m not going to be rude.
@@mindakahn9964 - I wasn’t being rude. I was simply stating facts.
Good show, thanks for sharing about the Duggar's 😜
15:32 Unfortunately, people like the Duggars perpetuate the outdated stereotype of homeschoolers. While there are still people like that, the vast majority of homeschoolers now are not. Homeschooling is gaining momentum because of the broken public school system and deficit of decent teachers. So parents are taking action and responsibility for their own children's education no matter what socioeconomic, political, racial, religious, etc backgrounds. Homeschooling these days crosses all boundaries and have all types of people doing it for all types of reasons.
I don't like having the misrepresentation of homeschoolers being this one type like the Duggars portray. Absolutely not true.
There are so many students that excel and get a proper education in homeschooling and get accepted into prominent colleges and universities. The majority of parents that homeschool are getting the job done and providing many more opportunities for their kids well above and beyond the public school system. There is oversight and accountability in the majority of states. Very few areas are unchecked like the Duggars.
It was fascinating how WEIRD the Duggars are. No surprises. Disturbing that they let Josh get away with his sexual deviance and dud not get him help.
Need to add Pimp Bob and Michelle blamed their daughters for Josh's actions against his sisters, especially Jill
People need to approach the legal system for the children like they did with children actors to create laws for children involved in reality tv to ensure one they get educated two that they get paid and three they are not abused.
Showing how to spank your kids, hug them, then spank. Horrifying..so confusing to a child. Child abuse for sure. Blanket training….awful.
Very interesting interview. I would like to see you cover the fundamentalist Muslim community, as well as the ultra orthodox Jewish community and compare their treatment of women, pertaining to their freedom and education.
I just came across your podcast and so happy it popped on my UA-cam. I listen to david from behind the velvet rope so that’s how I got that feed. I bet if you have Heather McDonald from juicy scoop on you will get a lot of subscribers! You are a great interviewer!
Welcome aboard and thank you!!
Great work 👍👍 Looking forward to this one !!!
Disappointed that the producers included Jim Holt in this documentary, they dropped the ball because they neglected to find out the true person he really is. The producers portrayed Holt as a legit person with good intentions, which is far from the truth.
They didn't portray Holt as anything other than someone who could provide info on Josh Duggar and how his crimes were handled. He may have had ill intentions to share that info, doesn't change the info being true though
A couple years ago Jill and Derrick did sue Jim Bob for unpaid wages and they won. It wasn’t anywhere near enough, but she did win the lawsuit and he did have to pay her.
She only got minimum wage!
@@dbowen9167 yup, but at least she fought back.
No respect to the pregnant women no time to heal in between pregnancies
This sounds like the Amish community
No it sounds more like Scientology!
There is a lot of abuse in the Amish community as well.
While very informative and interesting- why not bring the Bates? Gil Bates seems to be the new face of the iblp and they have 19 children as well.
I watched the documentary. It IS a horror story, and I was gutted for days and days. Still gutted.
That said, it is a necessary -and cautionary, tale.
Melissa…you had a reality show (i loved it!)…any insights regarding these issues based on your reality experiences?
HI Melissa!
Hello!
It's easy to take care of that many kids when you aren't actually raising them, they are raising each other while mom and dad do who knows what?????? The kids take care of each other, do the cooking, cleaning and schooling.; all the things their mother should be doing. The problem is that they had WAY more children than they could deal with - and did have once they'd reached two or three. She doesn't seem to have any interest in them at all.
I was brought up in a household that makes the Duggars look like the Kardashians - it took me to age 57 to escape. Imagine this - my primary abuser who I know now was sick, got into an IFB church and got a kJV Bible and tortured me all my life, although i was ‘saved’ and lived a perfect life in society’s eyes - but in my abuser’s eyes i was never perfect enough. The most deadly combination is these fundamental teachings and a sick parent = emotional, mental, psychological, spiritual and sometimes death to the children. I now have zero contact and no family. Melissa, ‘rape’ is not only physical - i was raped spiritually, mentally, emotionally etc - into five decades. We don’t understand we can get out - we live daily with the belief of burning in hell, and we never ever go against our abuser, who we are brought up to believe is God - in our eyes. The terror is crippling.
It’s a cult
The Stepfordwives meet the Hand’smaid tale.
I really wanna view the docuseries for myself. Where do I get to view this? I only have UA-cam on my iPhone & TV set. Does anyone else know the answer to my question? Please respond back to it ASAP. I used to watch this reality program way back & thought they were interesting, but having no clue that they were not really how they showed themselves to be. I’m was literally shocked when I learned about Josh & his evil behaviour!!! Sickening! 🤮also very tragic! Wanna hear out what the girls have to say about their personal experiences. Feel extremely sorry for the girls & about what they were “forced” to do & to behave or else!!! Again, tragic!
Education in America overall is in extreme decline. It's a disgrace to ALL American children public or homeschooling.
It's shameful. Only wealthy children get a decent education.
Wealthy Children's parents buy their children's education.
I saw this reality program at I believe at the very start, but couldn’t believe that Michelle was consistently pregnant every time she turned around! I was starting to say/think to myself “Hey; lady do you ever get “any sleep”’or is Jim-Bob consistently screwing you every single time he desires to relieve himself!!! Thus you personal life is gone to 👎you figure it out! And for each daughter to have to get married & then “bang” get her pregnant ASAP! So, what the heck man! Are the daughters not feeling like they’re just being used to “breed” grandchildren to maybe they’re bodies are worn out too! Apparently this producing all these grandchildren brings in MONEY 💰!!!! Sickening!
Jill and her husband did get an attorney and they sued her Dad.
They weren't able to dig it up at the time because Josh was only 14! Same family same lack of education, juvenile crimes are usually wiped and confidential for the privacy of the victims. So being he was so young and the girls were so young it isn't going anywhere in court especially in the late 90s/00. I wish people would understand how often ppl under 13 "offend". No one wakes up at over 18 and says I'll become a sex offender.. it starts in the preteen years especially if they were abused themselves early. Everyone I knew was sa before they were 8 and played the games they were taught...
Derrick became a lawyer in part to help Jill fight the IBLP.
Yeah programming their selves like sciencentology
Did you see that Jim Holt has a 10 year restraining order against him filed by his wife and son? The show was filmed before the order.
First time I watched it I went no way if this is true these kids are gonna grow up and bury their parents somewhere abuse oh my God mental physical they raised a paedophile and a molester insane
I always laugh when they're trying not to see eye traps and they look at their shoes while invoking the name of a Greek goddess. If they had any education, they'd have chosen a different code word.
Wow!!! The Duggars are really in serious trouble now! Bill Gothard is/was NUTS!! I guess Jim-Bob gets off on being “NUTS” himself! Maybe that’s why Josh has gone the route that he’s gone! Think about that?! Makes you shake your head here. 🤷♀️😑💔
Funny enough they used unauthorized content of MINE this Docuseries. They never credited me or reached out to ask me. How is this ok and What's ur thoughts on that ?
it falls under fair use.
I haven't spoken publicly about a case of abuse in my church because the victim was broken, discarded, and suicidal. He is fragile and suicidal 20 years later.
While this documentary has value, I felt like I had PTSD after just 2 episodes.
Clearly, these girls have not healed, are still suffering, and I am in fear for them!
While we are all analyzing their lives, they have to live them. This isn't a case of people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Certainly, Melissa has had plenty of stones hurled her way. You probably have figured out how to install bullet proof glass over your house today.
Remember what it was like when you were so young and innocent and those stones flew in like missles?
We just need to remember how vulnerable these girls are, even Michelle and Anna, and exercise compassion over judgment
wasn't detective Hutchins related to the nephew Tyler...is this true?
These are the people who back authoritarian ideals and government scary
Melissa should interview Jinger Duggar Vuolo.
Melissa,,, Jimbob made 18 million dollars from the show!!! He pocketed it all!! Plus some of the older kids did sue dad because they wanted thier part from being on the show.
Raising up an army for god is Hitters believes
Compared to what they are trying to push in the schools today, I'd much rather have them schooled by the duggars.
Duggars condone child abuse, and SA, Jim Bob and Michelle forbidden their daughters having higher education as in going to college
Public schools push kids to be educated. But yeah, homeschooling with the Duggars, including Josh, instead of being educated makes sense. /s
I never watch the show. Now I'm kind of wishing I did.
There are several reality families who are weird and creepy. The Bates for one. You are kinda obligated to do a documentary on the other families. Haha not really but this topic could go on and on.
Derick Dillard IS a lawyer. Do your research.
🙄That was mentioned. He is, for some reason, only licensed in Oklahoma, although they still live in Arkansas. They did do their research, we can't all know every single thing.
What about all the terrible people on the 90 day fiance franchises.
Pleeaaasssee. You know this is the type of thi g they are looking for when casting. They absolutely want drama, scandal, etc...
What is Melissa doing with her hands? she seems very nervous.
Jill released a book this year, so she wanted the publicity. In the book, she discusses freely about her family joining the cult.
Jill’s book hasn’t come out yet. Jinger’s book came out earlier this year.
Jinger’s book came out this year, but was not a tell-all like Jill’s book will be. Jinger does say some things in her book about being raised in the IBLP & how damaging it was, but her book is more about her faith journey. She is a member of Grace Community Church in California, where her husband, Jeremy, is a pastor, & there are all kinds of controversies with that church, much involving abusing women & children. Many people feel she traded one cult for another.
Jill’s book will be published in January, 2024, & will be much more of a tell-all. It took her years to get to an emotional place where she could speak out, & I applaud her. Jim Bob didn’t pay her as a child or as an adult, & she does have a right to make money off her story. I don’t think that’s the primary reason she’s doing it though. I think it’s more for her own healing as she is the only Duggar offspring who has been in professional therapy/counseling to address her trauma.
Thanks, I confused the two brave women. I bet that happens a lot.
@@raydunn8262 I haven't seen anyone confuse them. Are you saying that Jinger or Jill wants publicity for themselves, so ... I'm not understanding your initial point. They're adults with children, they're not exactly equipped to work outside of the home, and Jinger's book was ... extremely kind to her parents. No one was thrown under any bus. Watch Jill being interviewed by Megyn Kelly, the video is on UA-cam and it's so disturbing but important now. "Oh, it was no big deal, we didn't even know our brother did anything, ha ha". Who tells victims they have to go on television and lie about what they went through? The IBLP. Everyone who follows their teachings.
I have no judgement for these young women. If they want to tell their stories, more power to them.
@@raydunn8262 - It definitely does… you’re not the only one.😊