The reason why I still play this game, is not for the grind, it's more for the whole atmosphere, the music, the surroundings, I live in the middle of a pretty big city in my home country, this is my way to relax, also because there is no such things, as big mountains or incredible animals where I am from, so now I got the chance to live how I've always wanted, so it's not because, I have to play this game, it's because I can't really stop living the life of a hunter
I love your perspective. I don't nearly like to get out into the field as I'd want to and this game is a great way to fill that little void in my life. If I'm not grinding in theHunter: Call of the Wild, I tend to enjoy it a lot more too.
I will die on the hill that heard management killed this game. It’s not longer an adventurous hunting. Simulator now it’s a fast travel tent great one fest. Not my deal and I find it super disappointing because I loved this game and have some incredible memories. I think something needs to change because the way the game is going adventure seekers will switch to a different game, and those who grind will inevitably burn out. Great Video…
This game has personally become just a massive grind and nothing else. When I first started I just went on an adventure, just hunting whatever I can find and it was fun. Eventually that obviously just got a bit boring after a while and then I started great one grinding. After that I just lost interest since I literally spent like 6 hours a day at one point just hunting red deer with no results. I realised that great one grinding ruined the game for me and I should have not done it as much as I did since I just forced myself to grind as long as I could a day. Slowly im starting to gain more interest again to start playing a bit more regularly. Last time I was actively playing was 6 months ago, so im glad some motivation is finally coming back.
I'm in a similar boat. I'll grind for a few months, eventually burn out. Come back in a couple months too. I just wish I wasn't getting burned out faster each time I come back.
@@Gruntly Yeah, it's a shame considering I deep down really love this game. What sucks even more is I doubt it's ever gonna get any better personally :/
I have more then 3000 h in game. I'm a stalker (Hunt on foot). It's so addictive and relacsive. Trophy spawn is very unbalanced unfortunately. I don’t understand why some trophy (Capercaillie, Beceite Ibex, Blue Wildebeest and etc) spawn instantly, others (not G1) after hundreds of kills. Why???? As if dev deliberately force you to be a "drink time butcher", not a hunter.
i honestly just love walking around maps looking at the scenery killing what i found and i still find this entertaining to this day but thats just my opinion
💯 agree, Rapid! That's what i enjoy too. Grinding and HM is dull IMHO and i don't believe EW pushes grinding. Listen to JaxyBeard and I think that's pretty clear.
I haven't played Cotw in a while, but when I do I usually take 1 gun, 1 optic, scent elim and a first aid kit and just walk around areas where I know animals will be, doing it as a player for fun is viable but as a creator I imagine it's not unless you tap into a niche pice of the community that priorities realisim. Even though I play the game like I did in 2017 it doenst feel quite the same, even on hirsch and layton. Still fun to play in the super slow and more realistic style (kinda like hunter classic) when I just wanna relax and unwind
I can say i 100 percent agree with your opinion because when I started the hunt call of the wild it was fun learning and exploring but then watched you tube and know its gust a grind that i don't like overly that much
@@Gruntly Do you think Way of the Hunter is better or Call of the Wild? the only thing I heard is Call of the Wild is a game where you find lots of animals and just shoot them down easily while Way of the Hunter is more of a real-life hunting simulator where you should have patience to play it.
You’ve probably got the nail on the head about video games. The more you watch UA-cam and see the exploits the more it ruins games. You’ve seen the tent exploit and it’s ruined the immersion. I don’t plan on using that type of overhyped gameplay, I’m just enjoying exploring - not chasing great ones that really don’t interest me.
cotw has been my favorite game since the day it came out, I have a ton of amazing memories in this game! I had my ups and downs with it but I would always come back to it and have a Great time playing it, I still haven't killed a G1, I'v done quite a bit of grinding I'v got kinda bored grinding and noticed this game isn't as fun as it used to be when nobody grinded, I used to go crazy when I found a diamond now when I find a diamond its not as much exciting, I will always have the old memories of cotw, I say all that but I still love this game!❤❤
I've only been playing this game since last December, and as I've tried different reserves I get the feeling that the devs are just giving players what they want. The base game maps are very detailed, it's clear that they were designed for a slower, more patient playstyle, such as the likes of Snow Runner. I mean, you can choose to have to rechamber manually. The missions are insteresting and challenging (overly so with the coyote ones in Layton) and they integrate you into the reserve, they make you feel like a living part of it. Yes, it's hard to see animals in the brush, but irl it's harder still, and imo the vegetation only makes the world more believable and beautiful. But, when most players simply want to grind for the best trophies as efficiently as possible, instead of taking things slow, I don't think it's the devs who're at fault for putting out maps tailored for that. Why bother creating engaging missions when most people don't care about them? Why bother with realistic environments if that's going to make it harder to kill multiple animals in one go with a military derived semi-automatic rifle? People don't want the whole experience, they want the best prize and they want it now. I'm not saying it's wrong to play this way, I'm just saying that people should be aware of their own role in the game's evolution. I'd also like to say that given that lakes in both H. and L.L. have waves with sound effects, the still and silent waters of the beaches of the Emerald Coast and Te Awaroa simply aren't good enough. They make me feel like I'm playing a game from the early 2000s. Worse even, considering Half Life 2 came out in 2004. Finishing the SRP mission arc without needing to hunt a single animal is also not good enough. Not only does the storyline not invite you to hunt, it pretty much makes you feel like you should be apologetic to. Still Hirschfelden, Layton Lakes, Medved, Vurhonga, Yukon Valley and Cuatro Colinas are all fantastic experiences that make me glad I tried this game. It's not that the others are bad, they're just not as good. (Haven't tried Mississipi, New England or Revontuli yet.)
You have worded that so well. I agree with everything you said, particularly when you talk about the old maps expecting a slow playstyle whilst the newer ones expect you to grind animals quickly
I couldn’t agree more, I love this game but it’s dying in my eyes. When I started this game I killed 2 or 2 animals in a few hours, it took me over a year and a half to get my first diamond then it took another 5 months. Every trophy had a story now I can’t remember some of my trophies.
Yes! I still have memories about my first diamond and my first rocky mountain elk diamond. These are stories I will always cherish. That being said, if I didn't record my diamonds like I now do, I would forget them quickly
Interesting topic. I have been playing COTW since December 2023. I am at level 57 presently and I was thinking about this subject today. I've nailed it down to 3 issues that I'm having with the game. 1. inability to hold the gun steady enough to make long shots because for me, it takes longer than 1 second to focus on the target through the scope. (I have all the skill and perk points covering this topic) 2. placing tents and the like where I want them. 3. animals not showing up at assigned need zones during published hours at all in some cases.
Those problems are all things that you can fiddle with to your liking. The scope is much easier to use the more you use it and get used to it. The tents issue will just fall on you thinking more about placement. the animals need zones can be a pain yes but usually if you change the time by 1 min they should spawn in
IRL i shoot targets with air rifle for 45 years at 30-40 yards and get frustrated if my 5 shot group is bigger than 10 mm using a sandbag as rest I been asking for bipod in this game forever and i have never taken a shot in real life where end of barrel waving around like Harry Potters wand
Although still love the feeling of seeing a great one even if it’s through HM, I do realize it’s really the only way I and many others could possibly get trophies now. Instead of stumbling into a cool animal organically, it’s, “new great one is out! time to find my zones now!”
The devs bought into grinding because it’s what a lot of prominent creators popularized and they gave people what they wanted. Myself, I seriously enjoy just wandering around and being surprised with what I find. It’s all for fun and relaxing for me.
I play both HCOTW and the Hunter classic, classic feels more alive. I like that the animals spawn new every time you start a new game, you never know what you going to encounter. and i like all the missions and competions in classic. And that the Hunter mate has a real function.
RIP HunterMate. I played Classic for a few hours and I loved how there was mini games on the thing. I don't think I ever use the HunterMate in COTW any more. All the information about tracks, blood trails, and noises should be on the mate and not in the top corner
They should give you the option to choose free hunt which randomly spawns animals along with story hunt which keeps grind progress and such for players who play like this, similar to the hunter classic
Firstly, I must say thanks for this video, after your pacing back and forth I think you made the great decision in making this, I share your exact opinion especially on grinding, HM, G1s being the holy grail and all-and-end of the game. Back when I started playing in 2020 this game was unreal fun, evoked curiosity, and was authentic if that's the right word It's hard to tell what the EW studios want / desire for how we play the game. On one hand like you say, there seems to be a big encouragement towards grinding especially the G1s and their low spawn rate being the main motive/compeller, on the other hand, I look at these gorgeous massive reserves that are so detailed and well crafted, and I think there's no way the dev's put this hard work and time into making these awesome scenic landscapes only for it to be a waste - with the players only playing on them for the lakes/grinding. I think they desire for the game to have that versatility with how you want to play it, like how you did mention, grinding/farming simulator or an actual hunting simulator. But like you also said, why play it the hard way when you could give in and just HM grind, the option is there and it's looming above your head so why not give in to it. Especially with all the G1s they're releasing now, and all the insane trophies everyone gets, it's a whole new standard.
Thanks for checking the video out. I feel like most people end up in the HM grind only because all of their buds or favourite content creators do it too. There is nothing wrong with liking that but I just am over the same thing day in day out
I'm a little late to this, but since the new Nepal map is coming out today, I see this map as a huge improvement. Ive been thinking that they could make the higher elevation animals not drink so they would be harder to find, and they've made it so some predators (More saught after animals) are going to have just a handful around the map. Another thing I think a lot of people would agree to, is to make certain animals have very small chances to be non-typical with either a sticker here and there, double eye guard, or a drop tine, or a combination of them. It would add so much to the game and get rid of the repetitiveness of grinding. I mean, It would add so much to so many maps (Whitetail, Blacktail, muledeer, Both Elk, Red Stags, Moose) And who knows what other animals they could add that have them. I wouldn't even mind if they skipped a map just to purely work on that system either. Just knowing they are working on Something that will improve the game for a very long time would be so nice to hear. Could you imagine the stickers on the mule deer racks being a natural occurring thing on Almost every map? Like a 0.00001% to spawn on a gold or better animal on each tine, something like that.
One thing i miss is the XP, levelling up and unlocking skills and perks, once you max out. With a related annoyance being the inability to unlock all skills and perks. That needs to change. Possibly reopening the XP/levels and making the remaining skills perks accessable, but with a lot more XP required than prior.
A prestige system to that of older Call of Duty games would be interesting. Or at the least, raise the level cap to allow us to earn every perk and skill
I agree that grinding is getting repetitive. I’ve been burnt out on great one grinds recently. However, I still enjoy playing this game along with Way of the hunter and Halo. The main reason I’ve been playing this game even when people don’t enjoy it is because I feel that most multiplayer games are shooting themselves in the kneecaps, with Call of duty and Battlefield are two big examples. I feel that Fortnite is going down that path too. We’ll just have to wait and see what the future holds for this game.
Nice to see that there are a few content creators who aren’t all about grinding, but you’re 100% right. The ones who don’t are all mostly sitting with around 500-1000 subscribers max. I think they should make tents tents themselves and fast travel to and from tents massively expensive, maybe even almost as expensive as resetting skills. Imagine if it cost 45k just to get one tent, and another 30k to fast travel to them each time. Obviously this might cause some issues with new players/non grinders wanted to use them, but to be honest I’ve had the game for probably 5 years and never put a single tent down so maybe not. Honestly most times when I watch the UA-camrs that do grinds that have like 500k anyways so I’m they could still fast travel 10-15 times back to back if they really wanted to
Could have been done well and with the whitetail and red deer I think they were. They just lost the plot with the recent ones. They look like fantasy animals paired with the HM there’s just no appeal for me…
I'm really glad to hear a Creator talk about this. I don't blame anyone for grinding, but I want to hunt, not grind. And it seems like the devs are making the game just with grinders in mind now. I hope your video gets more traction, so they can see that there's still players like us.
I totally agree grinding is so frustrating, I have given up on the game, I haven’t played it for about 18 months, I just love the game but it’s getting so boring so I have given up for now until it alters.
These days I spent more and more time in Way of the hunter, even dipping back into Hunter classic from time to time, I always return, once in a while though, to play some Vurhonga savanna. There's just something about that place.
This games economy is genuinely horrible. Devs have literally no idea what they’re doing. Some weapons require money to buy…. Some weapons require a certain amount of weapon exp to be able to buy…….. DLC weapons are completely free.? ruining the entire point of this system. So why have it? Why is there weapon skins in the game… and then some weapons have 3 different varents of the same weapon with different skins. Making the already terrible ui even more annoying to navigate. Why is the damaging systems so random? Couldn’t they at least make the ammo realistic? Then add guns with specific ammo to cater to certain roles that they want to fill?????? Why is the animal senses so random? Man… nothing like being behind a hill. Wind in the other direction. Not making a sound and the animal knows I’m there. Then…. Runs off. Then then sometimes you can stand and run right next to it and it has no idea your there??? How is that actually enjoyable? Why is there hot zones? Man nothing like walking to 25 min and see/hearing nothing. Then 10 seconds later you hear calls from 10 different animals.. wouldn’t it make the gameplay so much more enjoyable to be able to find an animal… anywhere? And then some areas are just more likely to have them. It’s just so weird. Maps are horribly balanced/ paced. Some maps are wide open fields and you can see for miles. Then some maps are cluttered garbage you can’t see more than 10 feet in front of you. Why does buckshot suck? Why do they need to sell 90% of the game in dlcs? Why do basic boring weapon skins cost money?
You are right, 100% right. But the game is now built around grinding. It's put at the fore front of every dlc. Why do you think we are now getting a semi-auto .300? That will be in every grinders loadout for sure
i think not everything has to be just a grind because i feel like ew has it to where were able to choose the way we want to play whether that's grinding or roaming in the fields, bird hunting and ex.
I guess I must be weird…I just like to hunt, just get into the game, and walk around, I don’t do the grinds, don’t look for the BIG ONE, if I find tracks I will follow, walk to different places or do the fast track thing with the houses, I have never bought a tent, my money just goes for ammo…I see animals I shoot them…I’ve got a lot of gold animals, a couple diamond, but not on purpose, I shot and thats what I got…I can play the game for hours and still love it.
I refuse to watch grinding videos or play that way. Grinding ruins the fun of any game. What’s the best way to play a hunting simulator? Pretend you’re really hunting. Pretty simple. Don’t shoot everything. Don’t be in a hurry. Enjoy the hunt for a decent animal. A rare animal is just that. Rare. When you play the game right and stumble across something rare, it will be the coolest thing ever. Herd management and grinding is just manipulating computer code to get to desired photo of an animal made of colored pixels. That’s just stupid. Google a photo. It will save you time. But playing the game the way it was designed is relaxing and fun and lets you get lost in multiple reserves and enjoy the outdoors looking for the best trophies.
@@largeman1624 there’s so many guns that are just sitting in the dust and nobody uses them. I like how they tried to buff the 223. but we need more every update at this rate.
I think way of the hunter’s herd management feels more natural and rewarding to me especially with all the missions that lead into it or reward for it and thats why i moved to it even though i think alot of the firearms in way of the hunter either look ridiculous or if they do look good its not in a caliber i really like all that much it definitely needs more firearm variety but otherwise its great in my opinion its almost a exact representation of what happened between medal of honor and call of duty and way of the hunter is cod in this situation.
@@Gruntly i find that call of the wild is not as fun as it used to be especially because of the grinding but i also think its because I’ve played it on and off since it came out and have less than ten diamonds i have 385 hours in cotw and only have 7 or 8 diamonds at the most. I have 39 hours of playtime in way of the hunter and have two and i have really only played nez perce and matariki park. Why is it that a game that is supposed to be harder that its easier to get a trophy on? Thats my biggest pet peeve. I shouldn’t have to grind 2000 red deer just to finally maybe get a chance at a great one.
Hi im from south africa and i started playing 1 year ago for some time i did not know what i great one was i still dont have a great one but i think the bet time of all to play cotw was when you were a new player i will never forget that time when i was a new player to cotw. And i think they realy should add an africa 2.0 with elephants. Elephants would be soething you cant just grind for you cant cant just sit 150M away from it and shoot it you would have to get cloes to it and use the 470 nitro or they could add a 500-600 nitro and i think that would realy just bring the hunt back
Its been talked over before ,but they are too pc about the Elephant and Rhino area to bring that in there. on same level as India is mentioned there in not having a level about them there .
I feel like this game goes into depressions. There was definitely one before Revontuli Coast launch and there is definitely one now. I think the current one is because there was no December 2023 map. I feel like we’ll come back out of it when the June 2024 map comes out.
This is difficult because so many people think it's broken or dying. I think it's just not the same as it once was, I remember old SRP, Cuatro and Te Awaroa. They're my favorite and still are, the updates have changed it, I do think G1 grinding is outta hand especially with certain content creators getting tons of them, but they also play this game, every single day. Most people do not have time for grinds, I'm fortunate to have 6 G1s. But I know a lot of people don't. And with HM and stuff. But I also think it's a game, not IRL. I kind of wished they had said HM was bad that way trophies would be more rare, but sadly that's not the case. One day though I think the game will reach the highest and most players, and I believe new players enjoy the game more than people who have played it for 3+ years. Zones are also an issue if you are grinding, they never show up, but who knows, I think and hope the game will be better soon.
I agree with you about the devs saying HM was bad. It would probably turn more people to hunt the old fashioned way but it's the way the game is at the moment and I don't see it changing any time soon
I also have been on theAngler grind recently, theHunter is good but I grew up with fishing. But hunting is great too, I just need an update (aka weapon pack and bears) I think this might get a bit of popularity again. But the new map better be good otherwise it might start dying @@Gruntly
I've actually never played Hunting Sim 2. I assume that I'd still prefer COTW. My favourite maps include Silver Ridge Peaks, Emerald Coast, and Yukon Valley :)
I used to love cotw... But with the persistent bugs and many other issues, the grind and DLCs that are not unique, I stopped playing it and actually jumped on theHunter classic. I have so much more fun. It was just ahead of it's time and has many features that should be in cotw or even woth... Sure, classic can be a grind but honestly. If you're throwing money at cotw. You also can at classic and get more fun since guns are more versatile and just more plentyful and even diverse with some lesser known or "odd" calibres.
I do like TheHunter: Classic. I just haven't spent too much time in it though because i can't get over the graphics. They aren't horrible by any means though
I just started playing a few months ago so I'm still enjoying it. But yeah I would enjoy more of a varied hunting experience rather then just run to water and shoot
Tbh. I just started playing this game back in June. I love it. I’ve just gotten my first G1 red deer. I’ve been playing on and off. Mostly a 2k player, cod, apex etc. I have about 270 hours in total on this. The grind definitely keep me going but it does get boring rather quickly doing the same grind for every animal. But yet I keep coming back. I know I’m years late to the game but it’s very enjoyable. Want to give way of the Hunter a try but I’m still stuck here and will be for a good while it seems. Hunting for diff furs, etc just makes me want to fill Up my lodge even more. I have a pretty decent lodge on my ps5. Game will crash at the worst times though. Gotten cheated out of some dimes a few times. Makes me want to take breaks bc of how frustrating that part is
Thanks for your comment. It's really interesting to see an insight from someone who got the game rather recently. Congratulations on your Great One Red Deer though!
Way of the Hunter is a great simulation hunting game. Probably more of a simulation than theHunter is. I think people have worked out the optimal way to hunt and unfortunately nothing will change unless there is an overhaul.
Some people say COTW is dying because of Hunting Simulator 2. This is not correct, in fact I prefer COTW over HS2. The real reason is actually because of Way of the Hunter.
@@Gruntly please read the whole comment. I said people think that COTW is dying because of Hunting Simulator 2, but it is incorrect. HS2 is basically an Itty pitty DLC version of COTW. COTW is way better and bigger than HS2. Way of The Hunter might be a cause of its downfall. After the launch of HS2, many people got excited and quit COTW but got disappointed and returned to it later because of how small the maps in Hunting Simulator 2 are.
I love this game, I have played over 2,670 I am not into grinding, I love wandering around shooting what I find. I just reset the game & now lvl 35 I was surprised how hard they made it from the beginning too much gun wobble ect, to be honest they made it very hard to shoot compared to later. I am surprised that some people kept going with the game as they did make it pretty hard at the start. I am a real life hunter even when I started I was never this bad at shooting, they make you really crap from the start. I think the company is mainly looking after the the grinders & not the every day player, why else did they change the bears to night time & now back again, I think there was an easier fix, why not just turn off the aggression & chasing part of the mountain lion, you can see the bears near other animals with no problem so just turn off the feature that make the other animals scared of the lion ect. Anyway I was quite happy with the old times & the way they chased each other, if I went to a lake I would shoot a bear or a lion, what ever was there. The update that took mountain goats away from drinking zones destroyed that map, it was my all time favorite map but now you can hardly find a goat which was great fun to shoot & there was lots of them, they stuffed up the mountain lions ect at the same time. They seem to be catering to the grinders only with changing times to suit them.
Completely agree with your comment! That change from night time drinking to day time probably was catered only for grinders. It's a shame that the every day player is starting to look like the average grinding player though
I'm new and was liveing the game I'm not that good at it didn't know how to grind but used the tents to pop a n and out of zones lot harder game now trying to adjust
I think I'll stick around the genre, I've been streaming Cabela's Big Game Hunter: Pro Hunts and I really am enjoying that! There are so many games that would fit the channel so anything is possible!
theHunter: Call of the Wild is my most favorite hunting game ever. My 2nd most favorite is Way of the Hunter, and my 3rd most favorite is theHunter: Classic.
its really hard to not play the meta way. but thats what i choose to do. i dont make content. i only play for fun. what changed this for me honestly goes back years and diablo 3. i used to play builds that i thought were fun and enjoyed it. i never was able to reach top difficulty because of this. but one day i met some new friends and they convinced me to try some builds from a website. i did and instantly was rolling thru top difficulty like it was nothing. fast forward and i learned that, that style of play is simply boring and took all the joy i used to get from gaming. this game is really no different. once you get into a fallow grind or any other animal. its fun for a day or two, you rack up the cash, buy more tents, setup more grinds. i found very quickly i was having way more fun travelling from lake to lake spotting watering holes than i did spawning and respawning in. of course to each their own. whatever you or anybody else finds joy in, play that way. i do wonder if you enjoyed the begal tiger and snow leopard hunts in one of the recent updates. seams they fit right in to what you wanted. i have yet to get a leopard but i have a few tigers. still have never got a great one and only a couple diamonds. and im ok with that! enjoyed your video. be good
Thb i do grind in this game but not every single time i play for the most part me and my friends hop on set the time the needzones and do a massive walk from zone to zone hunting things along the way along with the the zones i think being able to fast travel to tent to tent means no walking witch i do believe is the the man problem with the game because playing optimal means telaporting to tent to tent setting the time over and over again witch is not fun people need to set up trip bring frinds along talk have fun build storys i remember on yukon me and my friend walk apon some bison and one was about to charge he hit it with buck i braind it as it was a few feet from my friend making it slid to his feet
I also use the guns I love like the mosun and .338 I think if you pick a gun because it slightly better than your playing the game wrong one of my friends uses the muzzleloader in his words hunting like the founding fathers intend
God this game is fun if you just don't fully comment to the grind the amount of good memories I have is with my friends who all use different guns like the one the bison story hunts manly small game and loves shot guns his favorite is the one from the Mexican map
The Hunter Classic was a good game i love everything about it until they screwed it they raised the price of ammo they start adding more stuff that needs a ton of real money to buy more tent , new guns...etc . people where fun to hunt with they offer you to stay and hunt with them in their hunting stands and add each others in discord . most of the people where nice and friendlily .
*_"they screwed it they raised the price of ammo"_* The cost of ammo is really a non-issue, it's only an issue for Call of Duty style hunters like you who need to pump 10 bullets into a bear, when one shot of a .340 aimed at a vital organ will do just fine. *_" that needs a ton of real money to buy more tent , new guns...etc"_* That's because you want to own the whole store, and then complain that you lack the in-game finances. You make this silly assumption to assume that it will make you a skilled hunter by buying all of that. I got news for you; it won't. I have a second account that only owns a .300, and spotting scope and NOTHING else, not even camo or callers. All the in-game money I earn is just piling up, and I refuse to buy anything with it. And guess what? I won over 140 medals with that account so far, 93 were gold, I hold two world records, and I'm twice in the all-time Hall of Fame. Gear doesn't make you great hunter, skills do. _*"and hunt with them in their hunting stands *_ Hunt? You call that hunting? Hibernating in a treestand chatting and playing a game of Breakout on your huntermate?
I play CotW since console release, and i am with you, the game is now purely grinding, but the community is not all that good anymore, just because of the great ones, you are judged by the amount of great ones, i hate grinding, and i love walking around and shoot animals, that is the reason why i recently bought Way of the Hunter. For me CotW start to look like CoD, where all goes about stats and not about fun, the game is formed around the bigger content creators and not for the players. The fans of some bigger creators are doing what the creator says or does, and the developers think that the whole community wants that, I am not impressed with the content maps they launched, after Te Awaroa, I got them all but play most on Hirshfelden and TeAwaroa, thise are the best maps in my opinion, Finland i played for 2 weeks and is meh, Emerald coast the same, not even mentioning the mountain map i dont even know its name out of my head,
Not to name drop but ScareCrow has effectively killed this game, turning it into a cookie clicker great one grind fest. EW sees the views he pull and then develops the game in that style not realizing how detrimental it was to identity of the game. I’m a hunter ins real life and I want to escape into COTW for a similar experience. Fast travelling to need zones and shooting Irish elk fallow deer is not what I’m looking for. I’ve taken a extended break form the game and won’t return until heard management exploit is addressed…
I agree, the game has changed so much and thus the community has started to change too. We all used to enjoy the hunt and just the hunt. Now, things are more about the grind and only the grind
It's not him alone. There are plenty of Content Creators who grind, myself included. Once it became more known, everyone had started grinding. To clarify, I think most of the content creators out there are absolutely awesome. They look to add new challenges to the game and spice up their content from just the boring grind.
Agreed by no means is Crow alone it’s a large part of the community that leaned into HM including some of my favorite creators like KC. I was just using him as an example because of how his channel grew with the usage of heard management. My point was just that there are ways EW could address tent hopping HM like limiting time between fast travel, erasing need zones, or using a spawn mechanic similar to classic. Then focus more on the details and environment of the game. Instead we get updates that only enhance the need and desire to do heard management. I don’t care if Jaxy said it was ok once on stream, taking advantage of a spawn mechanic was not how the game was designed to be played, and has fundamentally changed the course of the game from being a hunting simulator, to a RNG tent hopper simulator…
I’m so disgusted with this game right now…what started as an amazing hunting journey is now a real labor. Great ones ruined the game, glitches are all over the place and trolls are just bs. Imagine spending hours and hours exploring and spotting only to miss the diamond by 0.01…also what keeps someone of joining a modded server get all the trophies and then show off? Is there a way to tell? Most of the content creators nowadays just order their next super rare and then jump in and do the live stream, acting all surprised for the great find..such a joke. Hunting simulation my a55, fast traveling from lake to lake killing hundreds of animals in an hour. Time to try a different game
I have close to 500 hours, I've never once felt the desire to grind for diamonds or great ones. I will never get a great one, I find a diamond about every 100 hours or so, and that's fine with me because it feels amazing every time. TBH, I feel like a big part of the issue is that there is a lot of emphasis in the community and especially the influencer space on that grind, and it's understandable why, being able to put "I found this Diamond/Super Rare/Great One on my grind" makes for great engagement. And to be clear, I don't feel like creators are AT FAULT for this, I'm just saying that's what drives clicks, people want to get that dopamine hit of seeing something amazing and rare happen. It's to the detriment of the community though IMO, I have seen multiple posts from people who buy the game and jump STRAIGHT into the grind because that's what they think the game is from the way it's discussed. Now the important part, how do we fix it?... I don't know, I don't think there is a fix because the way the human mind works, the way engagement and algorithms work, the cycle is locked in, and it would take a major, community wide shift in thinking and discourse to change anything, and I just don't see that happening any time soon.
I disagree. I see a lot of people playing the game as it’s intended to be. It’s not dead. It’s a Playstyle. And rares are supposed to be rare. It’s called rares for a reason. Guaranteed rares are not fun it’s not something special because everyone can get them easily. It’s that special moment when you find something really rare. Rare spawns are good. It wouldn’t be fun otherwise. Imo
Just my opinion, but I agree with you however I feel like cotw has become a great game and there is a lot of people who enjoy being able to go to a lake and find animals. I for one don't have the time to spend hours tracking, and it is really good just to be able to jump quickly from lake to lake. I think that games like the hunter classic and way of the hunter can be great to get some realisim if you want it. however sometimes the reason you play is not for realisim. anyway as I said just my opinon. Cheers
Thanks for your opinion. My dissapointment is that COTW started as a simulation. It's gone through a big change and is now more arcadey than ever. Thanks again for sharing your opinion in a respectful way :)
@@Gruntly Heck yea I can’t wait! Yea I started to play some call of the wild earlier. After playing way of the hunter it did take a second to get used to the graphics of call of the wild again. As way of the hunter has better graphics than call of the wild. Lol
Price you pay if you want a great one. Can have just as much fun hunting rares. I mean how much does a game need to give? 1000 hours seems reasonable =)
I do think the grind for a great one could be one of the hardest grinds in gaming, but I also think now that the standard has been set, making it easier would take some wow factor away. @@Gruntly
The next DLC is definitely going to be life or death for call of the wild and in hope they know that so if the don’t give us like an Asia map or a Canada map me personally I’m going to keep playing Fortnite
i understand your opinion really well but pls tell me this dont mean your quitting i love your vids they make me laugh and make me happy i have 1500 kills and want my great one whitetail and it is eh but the only thing keeping me going is watching your vids
No quitting here! I'll still play as many hunting games as possible! I have a video planned in the future on a retro hunting game that I've been loving on stream for one!
i don't grind in the game and i just go and walk my maps and get diamonds and rares and i have gotten many of my great one by just walking and killing. that saying a lot of people that play this game don't hunt in real life i'm going to guess that you don't either so you and the other that don't hunt in real life don't know how realistic the game really is. in the real life when you go hunting you either got public land or private land. On public land you have to go walk in the woods or you scout and try to find where the deer are so you have to put hours of your time to find animals. private you have stands and you go sit in those stands for hours all of season. So before you call this game unrealistic because you don't have a clue about hunting just don't say anything
Hey there, I actually hunt quite a bit here in Australia and I even have a video of one of my hunting trips on my channel. From what I know, the current play style that a majority of players take is the herd managing grind. The way you play is unfortunately in the minority and I respect that you take a different approach to playing TheHunter: COTW
Not sure about game is dying but seen a lot enough players play those game including me still, seen some ppl making videos especially Ladylegend still playing those game too.
It's not a hunting simulator. In this game you will see tons of white flashing track indicator floating about a track, does that indicate that it's a hunting simulator? A lot of things in this game simply confirm that it makes no attempt to be a simulator as best as possible, and don't be misled by the graphics, a game needs a lot more than fancy graphics to be called a simulator. I wouldn't even play a hunting game like this in which it's so easy to hack the game to get any score or rare you want. This a game that truly tries to be a simulator as much as possible: "Beginners guide to starting the Boeing 747-8i in Microsoft Flight Simulator after the AAU2 update", and no need for hacking in that game.
I've played the game different from others I guess, I don't use the grind theme of tents and tripods, I hunt just like I would in real life, I tract the blood trails, I shoot the bigger animals and leave the smaller and females alone, I hunt drink zones, feed zones and rest zones just like you would in real life. Getting the Great One is not a priority for me, doing the hunts as I would in real life is. You want missions setup with a great one at the end of it, how quick would the game be over if that's all it was, jumping from tent to tent for a grind knowing that it's RNG that will determine how soon the GO appears so you can move to the next one is not something I'd enjoy. Your trying to fill the trophy lodges, so you can admire the game that you've harvested, that's great but then what.. sounds like your looking for something else. You can play the game however you'd like, your trying to find a way to get more viewers but the game isn't really offering many options, go play something else, those that are here for the hunt will keep playing until something else grabs their attention. IMO
The game is awful I see more deer downtown in my city than I do in this shit game. You get $800 for a kill and a better scope is $12,000??????? Dumb. Awful. I hate it. Most hated game I’ve ever played
The reason why I still play this game, is not for the grind, it's more for the whole atmosphere, the music, the surroundings, I live in the middle of a pretty big city in my home country, this is my way to relax, also because there is no such things, as big mountains or incredible animals where I am from, so now I got the chance to live how I've always wanted, so it's not because, I have to play this game, it's because I can't really stop living the life of a hunter
I love your perspective. I don't nearly like to get out into the field as I'd want to and this game is a great way to fill that little void in my life. If I'm not grinding in theHunter: Call of the Wild, I tend to enjoy it a lot more too.
I will die on the hill that heard management killed this game. It’s not longer an adventurous hunting. Simulator now it’s a fast travel tent great one fest. Not my deal and I find it super disappointing because I loved this game and have some incredible memories. I think something needs to change because the way the game is going adventure seekers will switch to a different game, and those who grind will inevitably burn out.
Great Video…
Completely agree. There are still those who go against the grain and play the game the same way we did 6 or 7 years ago which I commend
I know a lot of people have been moving on to Way of the Hunter. Myself included.
This game has personally become just a massive grind and nothing else. When I first started I just went on an adventure, just hunting whatever I can find and it was fun. Eventually that obviously just got a bit boring after a while and then I started great one grinding. After that I just lost interest since I literally spent like 6 hours a day at one point just hunting red deer with no results. I realised that great one grinding ruined the game for me and I should have not done it as much as I did since I just forced myself to grind as long as I could a day. Slowly im starting to gain more interest again to start playing a bit more regularly. Last time I was actively playing was 6 months ago, so im glad some motivation is finally coming back.
I'm in a similar boat. I'll grind for a few months, eventually burn out. Come back in a couple months too. I just wish I wasn't getting burned out faster each time I come back.
@@Gruntly Yeah, it's a shame considering I deep down really love this game. What sucks even more is I doubt it's ever gonna get any better personally :/
Way of the Hunter is much better in this regard. It's just a better game overall. I completely stopped playing cotw, woth is the way to go.
Every game is a massive grind. Look at World of Warcraft.
If it’s a grind and you’re not having fun, okay a different game for a while.
I have more then 3000 h in game. I'm a stalker (Hunt on foot). It's so addictive and relacsive. Trophy spawn is very unbalanced unfortunately. I don’t understand why some trophy (Capercaillie, Beceite Ibex, Blue Wildebeest and etc) spawn instantly, others (not G1) after hundreds of kills. Why???? As if dev deliberately force you to be a "drink time butcher", not a hunter.
I agree!
i honestly just love walking around maps looking at the scenery killing what i found and i still find this entertaining to this day but thats just my opinion
I just don't think that the game is played how you play it. At least by the majority. I love that way of playing though
💯 agree, Rapid! That's what i enjoy too. Grinding and HM is dull IMHO and i don't believe EW pushes grinding. Listen to JaxyBeard and I think that's pretty clear.
Matt that’s how I play as well grinding hurts my soul
@@o_gpotterhead so true also dont use my real name
@@Rapid_Fire880 ok
I haven't played Cotw in a while, but when I do I usually take 1 gun, 1 optic, scent elim and a first aid kit and just walk around areas where I know animals will be, doing it as a player for fun is viable but as a creator I imagine it's not unless you tap into a niche pice of the community that priorities realisim. Even though I play the game like I did in 2017 it doenst feel quite the same, even on hirsch and layton. Still fun to play in the super slow and more realistic style (kinda like hunter classic) when I just wanna relax and unwind
Exactly, I wish COTW played more like classic with very little “need zones” and ai that actually spooks
I can say i 100 percent agree with your opinion because when I started the hunt call of the wild it was fun learning and exploring but then watched you tube and know its gust a grind that i don't like overly that much
The grind takes a lot of the fun out of it for sure at least for me. Hopefully this new map brings some life to the game again!
@@Gruntly Do you think Way of the Hunter is better or Call of the Wild? the only thing I heard is Call of the Wild is a game where you find lots of animals and just shoot them down easily while Way of the Hunter is more of a real-life hunting simulator where you should have patience to play it.
You’ve probably got the nail on the head about video games. The more you watch UA-cam and see the exploits the more it ruins games.
You’ve seen the tent exploit and it’s ruined the immersion.
I don’t plan on using that type of overhyped gameplay, I’m just enjoying exploring - not chasing great ones that really don’t interest me.
cotw has been my favorite game since the day it came out, I have a ton of amazing memories in this game! I had my ups and downs with it but I would always come back to it and have a Great time playing it, I still haven't killed a G1, I'v done quite a bit of grinding I'v got kinda bored grinding and noticed this game isn't as fun as it used to be when nobody grinded, I used to go crazy when I found a diamond now when I find a diamond its not as much exciting, I will always have the old memories of cotw, I say all that but I still love this game!❤❤
Take time of like 2 or 5 months and come back and feel the nostalgia don't think about COTW to make it fun again
I've only been playing this game since last December, and as I've tried different reserves I get the feeling that the devs are just giving players what they want. The base game maps are very detailed, it's clear that they were designed for a slower, more patient playstyle, such as the likes of Snow Runner. I mean, you can choose to have to rechamber manually. The missions are insteresting and challenging (overly so with the coyote ones in Layton) and they integrate you into the reserve, they make you feel like a living part of it. Yes, it's hard to see animals in the brush, but irl it's harder still, and imo the vegetation only makes the world more believable and beautiful. But, when most players simply want to grind for the best trophies as efficiently as possible, instead of taking things slow, I don't think it's the devs who're at fault for putting out maps tailored for that. Why bother creating engaging missions when most people don't care about them? Why bother with realistic environments if that's going to make it harder to kill multiple animals in one go with a military derived semi-automatic rifle? People don't want the whole experience, they want the best prize and they want it now. I'm not saying it's wrong to play this way, I'm just saying that people should be aware of their own role in the game's evolution. I'd also like to say that given that lakes in both H. and L.L. have waves with sound effects, the still and silent waters of the beaches of the Emerald Coast and Te Awaroa simply aren't good enough. They make me feel like I'm playing a game from the early 2000s. Worse even, considering Half Life 2 came out in 2004. Finishing the SRP mission arc without needing to hunt a single animal is also not good enough. Not only does the storyline not invite you to hunt, it pretty much makes you feel like you should be apologetic to. Still Hirschfelden, Layton Lakes, Medved, Vurhonga, Yukon Valley and Cuatro Colinas are all fantastic experiences that make me glad I tried this game. It's not that the others are bad, they're just not as good. (Haven't tried Mississipi, New England or Revontuli yet.)
You have worded that so well. I agree with everything you said, particularly when you talk about the old maps expecting a slow playstyle whilst the newer ones expect you to grind animals quickly
The only good thing about the game is the graphics, everything else however is rather bad.
I couldn’t agree more, I love this game but it’s dying in my eyes. When I started this game I killed 2 or 2 animals in a few hours, it took me over a year and a half to get my first diamond then it took another 5 months. Every trophy had a story now I can’t remember some of my trophies.
Yes! I still have memories about my first diamond and my first rocky mountain elk diamond. These are stories I will always cherish. That being said, if I didn't record my diamonds like I now do, I would forget them quickly
Interesting topic. I have been playing COTW since December 2023. I am at level 57 presently and I was thinking about this subject today. I've nailed it down to 3 issues that I'm having with the game. 1. inability to hold the gun steady enough to make long shots because for me, it takes longer than 1 second to focus on the target through the scope. (I have all the skill and perk points covering this topic) 2. placing tents and the like where I want them. 3. animals not showing up at assigned need zones during published hours at all in some cases.
Do u have perks and skills that help with holding breath recoil controll and weapon sway?
Those problems are all things that you can fiddle with to your liking. The scope is much easier to use the more you use it and get used to it. The tents issue will just fall on you thinking more about placement. the animals need zones can be a pain yes but usually if you change the time by 1 min they should spawn in
IRL i shoot targets with air rifle for 45 years at 30-40 yards and get frustrated if my 5 shot group is bigger than 10 mm using a sandbag as rest
I been asking for bipod in this game forever and i have never taken a shot in real life where end of barrel waving around like Harry Potters wand
Although still love the feeling of seeing a great one even if it’s through HM, I do realize it’s really the only way I and many others could possibly get trophies now. Instead of stumbling into a cool animal organically, it’s, “new great one is out! time to find my zones now!”
They would be so much rarer if it weren't for HM. I wonder how many would have been stumbled upon instead of grinded?
The devs bought into grinding because it’s what a lot of prominent creators popularized and they gave people what they wanted. Myself, I seriously enjoy just wandering around and being surprised with what I find. It’s all for fun and relaxing for me.
I play both HCOTW and the Hunter classic, classic feels more alive. I like that the animals spawn new every time you start a new game, you never know what you going to encounter.
and i like all the missions and competions in classic.
And that the Hunter mate has a real function.
RIP HunterMate. I played Classic for a few hours and I loved how there was mini games on the thing. I don't think I ever use the HunterMate in COTW any more. All the information about tracks, blood trails, and noises should be on the mate and not in the top corner
They should give you the option to choose free hunt which randomly spawns animals along with story hunt which keeps grind progress and such for players who play like this, similar to the hunter classic
I love how theHunter: Classic is set up. If it had better graphics, I'd be on it much more
Firstly, I must say thanks for this video, after your pacing back and forth I think you made the great decision in making this, I share your exact opinion especially on grinding, HM, G1s being the holy grail and all-and-end of the game. Back when I started playing in 2020 this game was unreal fun, evoked curiosity, and was authentic if that's the right word
It's hard to tell what the EW studios want / desire for how we play the game. On one hand like you say, there seems to be a big encouragement towards grinding especially the G1s and their low spawn rate being the main motive/compeller, on the other hand, I look at these gorgeous massive reserves that are so detailed and well crafted, and I think there's no way the dev's put this hard work and time into making these awesome scenic landscapes only for it to be a waste - with the players only playing on them for the lakes/grinding. I think they desire for the game to have that versatility with how you want to play it, like how you did mention, grinding/farming simulator or an actual hunting simulator. But like you also said, why play it the hard way when you could give in and just HM grind, the option is there and it's looming above your head so why not give in to it. Especially with all the G1s they're releasing now, and all the insane trophies everyone gets, it's a whole new standard.
Thanks for checking the video out. I feel like most people end up in the HM grind only because all of their buds or favourite content creators do it too. There is nothing wrong with liking that but I just am over the same thing day in day out
I switched to the Xbox one X and my animals simply don’t show up to their zones, like I can’t hunt because animals never show up
I wonder if they lowered the animal spawn rate for consoles vs PC?
I'm a little late to this, but since the new Nepal map is coming out today, I see this map as a huge improvement. Ive been thinking that they could make the higher elevation animals not drink so they would be harder to find, and they've made it so some predators (More saught after animals) are going to have just a handful around the map.
Another thing I think a lot of people would agree to, is to make certain animals have very small chances to be non-typical with either a sticker here and there, double eye guard, or a drop tine, or a combination of them. It would add so much to the game and get rid of the repetitiveness of grinding. I mean, It would add so much to so many maps (Whitetail, Blacktail, muledeer, Both Elk, Red Stags, Moose) And who knows what other animals they could add that have them. I wouldn't even mind if they skipped a map just to purely work on that system either. Just knowing they are working on Something that will improve the game for a very long time would be so nice to hear. Could you imagine the stickers on the mule deer racks being a natural occurring thing on Almost every map? Like a 0.00001% to spawn on a gold or better animal on each tine, something like that.
I love your take! I think Nepal has been great for the game so far!
One thing i miss is the XP, levelling up and unlocking skills and perks, once you max out. With a related annoyance being the inability to unlock all skills and perks. That needs to change. Possibly reopening the XP/levels and making the remaining skills perks accessable, but with a lot more XP required than prior.
A prestige system to that of older Call of Duty games would be interesting. Or at the least, raise the level cap to allow us to earn every perk and skill
I like grinding but at the same time just messing around in multiplayer can be really fun
If you have a fun little hunting party, it's great!
I agree that grinding is getting repetitive. I’ve been burnt out on great one grinds recently. However, I still enjoy playing this game along with Way of the hunter and Halo. The main reason I’ve been playing this game even when people don’t enjoy it is because I feel that most multiplayer games are shooting themselves in the kneecaps, with Call of duty and Battlefield are two big examples. I feel that Fortnite is going down that path too. We’ll just have to wait and see what the future holds for this game.
Hopefully changes to make it less grindy
I think a supplementary pity system for great one's would be a fantastic feature, even if the average amount of kills is the same as it currently is.
Nice to see that there are a few content creators who aren’t all about grinding, but you’re 100% right. The ones who don’t are all mostly sitting with around 500-1000 subscribers max. I think they should make tents tents themselves and fast travel to and from tents massively expensive, maybe even almost as expensive as resetting skills. Imagine if it cost 45k just to get one tent, and another 30k to fast travel to them each time.
Obviously this might cause some issues with new players/non grinders wanted to use them, but to be honest I’ve had the game for probably 5 years and never put a single tent down so maybe not. Honestly most times when I watch the UA-camrs that do grinds that have like 500k anyways so I’m they could still fast travel 10-15 times back to back if they really wanted to
i got my first Dimond yesterday a Roosevelt elk while hunting with a friend who is new to the game
Nice!
In my opinion G1's killed this game
An opinion others definitely have too!
Could have been done well and with the whitetail and red deer I think they were. They just lost the plot with the recent ones. They look like fantasy animals paired with the HM there’s just no appeal for me…
I'm really glad to hear a Creator talk about this. I don't blame anyone for grinding, but I want to hunt, not grind. And it seems like the devs are making the game just with grinders in mind now. I hope your video gets more traction, so they can see that there's still players like us.
I appreciate that mate :)
I wish it was the same as when your shot that deer when you just started didn’t care if it was a doe or buck
The feeling of finally shooting a buck after hunting 3 does was a feeling that I won't get back any time soon
He feeling of shooting a 1 was unbelievable but now it’s gotta be 3 or nothing @@Gruntly
I totally agree grinding is so frustrating, I have given up on the game, I haven’t played it for about 18 months, I just love the game but it’s getting so boring so I have given up for now until it alters.
These days I spent more and more time in Way of the hunter, even dipping back into Hunter classic from time to time, I always return, once in a while though, to play some Vurhonga savanna. There's just something about that place.
Vurhonga is absolutely gorgeous. I dare say that they'll create another African map in the near future too
This games economy is genuinely horrible. Devs have literally no idea what they’re doing.
Some weapons require money to buy…. Some weapons require a certain amount of weapon exp to be able to buy……..
DLC weapons are completely free.? ruining the entire point of this system. So why have it?
Why is there weapon skins in the game… and then some weapons have 3 different varents of the same weapon with different skins. Making the already terrible ui even more annoying to navigate.
Why is the damaging systems so random? Couldn’t they at least make the ammo realistic? Then add guns with specific ammo to cater to certain roles that they want to fill??????
Why is the animal senses so random? Man… nothing like being behind a hill. Wind in the other direction. Not making a sound and the animal knows I’m there. Then…. Runs off.
Then then sometimes you can stand and run right next to it and it has no idea your there???
How is that actually enjoyable?
Why is there hot zones?
Man nothing like walking to 25 min and see/hearing nothing. Then 10 seconds later you hear calls from 10 different animals.. wouldn’t it make the gameplay so much more enjoyable to be able to find an animal… anywhere? And then some areas are just more likely to have them. It’s just so weird.
Maps are horribly balanced/ paced.
Some maps are wide open fields and you can see for miles. Then some maps are cluttered garbage you can’t see more than 10 feet in front of you.
Why does buckshot suck?
Why do they need to sell 90% of the game in dlcs?
Why do basic boring weapon skins cost money?
The first minutes made me just cry bc it’s so funny bc you can play how you want you don’t have to grind
You are right, 100% right. But the game is now built around grinding. It's put at the fore front of every dlc. Why do you think we are now getting a semi-auto .300? That will be in every grinders loadout for sure
i think not everything has to be just a grind because i feel like ew has it to where were able to choose the way we want to play whether that's grinding or roaming in the fields, bird hunting and ex.
I guess you're right. I just don't see more than 5% of the community who actively bird hunt
I guess I must be weird…I just like to hunt, just get into the game, and walk around, I don’t do the grinds, don’t look for the BIG ONE, if I find tracks I will follow, walk to different places or do the fast track thing with the houses, I have never bought a tent, my money just goes for ammo…I see animals I shoot them…I’ve got a lot of gold animals, a couple diamond, but not on purpose, I shot and thats what I got…I can play the game for hours and still love it.
I refuse to watch grinding videos or play that way. Grinding ruins the fun of any game. What’s the best way to play a hunting simulator? Pretend you’re really hunting. Pretty simple. Don’t shoot everything. Don’t be in a hurry. Enjoy the hunt for a decent animal. A rare animal is just that. Rare. When you play the game right and stumble across something rare, it will be the coolest thing ever. Herd management and grinding is just manipulating computer code to get to desired photo of an animal made of colored pixels. That’s just stupid. Google a photo. It will save you time. But playing the game the way it was designed is relaxing and fun and lets you get lost in multiple reserves and enjoy the outdoors looking for the best trophies.
Well said!
the game has just became a grind its just not fun, its been dead for the longest time now imo
It is a real shame. I used to love the mystery of what was around the corner. Now it's nothing like that unless there is a new map
+Buff feeding and rest zones
+Weapon rebalancing
Would be a good start to positive change
As EW drops a semi auto 300…
Dude they are killing the game
@@largeman1624 there’s so many guns that are just sitting in the dust and nobody uses them. I like how they tried to buff the 223. but we need more every update at this rate.
I just use the guns I like like mosun and .338
@@largeman1624how? People use those too hunt all the time irl? We need realism not ballancing
I have 3550 hrs into the COTW not one great one . I don't grind . As far as I'm concerned ,they could stop making great ones.
That's impressive. I respect that you don't grind
What are your thoughts on the state of TheHunter: Call of the Wild?
I think it got a little while left
I think way of the hunter’s herd management feels more natural and rewarding to me especially with all the missions that lead into it or reward for it and thats why i moved to it even though i think alot of the firearms in way of the hunter either look ridiculous or if they do look good its not in a caliber i really like all that much it definitely needs more firearm variety but otherwise its great in my opinion its almost a exact representation of what happened between medal of honor and call of duty and way of the hunter is cod in this situation.
I definitely need to play some more Way of the Hunter. I have neglected it because I've always preferred COTW. Time for some exploration maybe
@@Gruntly i find that call of the wild is not as fun as it used to be especially because of the grinding but i also think its because I’ve played it on and off since it came out and have less than ten diamonds i have 385 hours in cotw and only have 7 or 8 diamonds at the most. I have 39 hours of playtime in way of the hunter and have two and i have really only played nez perce and matariki park. Why is it that a game that is supposed to be harder that its easier to get a trophy on? Thats my biggest pet peeve. I shouldn’t have to grind 2000 red deer just to finally maybe get a chance at a great one.
Hi im from south africa and i started playing 1 year ago for some time i did not know what i great one was i still dont have a great one but i think the bet time of all to play cotw was when you were a new player i will never forget that time when i was a new player to cotw. And i think they realy should add an africa 2.0 with elephants. Elephants would be soething you cant just grind for you cant cant just sit 150M away from it and shoot it you would have to get cloes to it and use the 470 nitro or they could add a 500-600 nitro and i think that would realy just bring the hunt back
Its been talked over before ,but they are too pc about the Elephant and Rhino area to bring that in there. on same level as India is mentioned there in not having a level about them there .
@@MrPh30 were did i say ANYTHING about an indian map? and what do you meen they are to pc about it?? are you saying they are to computer about it?
I feel like this game goes into depressions. There was definitely one before Revontuli Coast launch and there is definitely one now. I think the current one is because there was no December 2023 map. I feel like we’ll come back out of it when the June 2024 map comes out.
I agree! I don't think that this next pack will bring many people back tbh
This is difficult because so many people think it's broken or dying. I think it's just not the same as it once was, I remember old SRP, Cuatro and Te Awaroa. They're my favorite and still are, the updates have changed it, I do think G1 grinding is outta hand especially with certain content creators getting tons of them, but they also play this game, every single day. Most people do not have time for grinds, I'm fortunate to have 6 G1s.
But I know a lot of people don't. And with HM and stuff. But I also think it's a game, not IRL. I kind of wished they had said HM was bad that way trophies would be more rare, but sadly that's not the case. One day though I think the game will reach the highest and most players, and I believe new players enjoy the game more than people who have played it for 3+ years.
Zones are also an issue if you are grinding, they never show up, but who knows, I think and hope the game will be better soon.
I agree with you about the devs saying HM was bad. It would probably turn more people to hunt the old fashioned way but it's the way the game is at the moment and I don't see it changing any time soon
I also have been on theAngler grind recently, theHunter is good but I grew up with fishing. But hunting is great too, I just need an update (aka weapon pack and bears) I think this might get a bit of popularity again. But the new map better be good otherwise it might start dying @@Gruntly
So do you prefer this game or Hunting 2 simulator? Which maps you prefer I don't wanna buy all of them
Yukon valley and cuatro colinas
I've actually never played Hunting Sim 2. I assume that I'd still prefer COTW. My favourite maps include Silver Ridge Peaks, Emerald Coast, and Yukon Valley :)
I used to love cotw... But with the persistent bugs and many other issues, the grind and DLCs that are not unique, I stopped playing it and actually jumped on theHunter classic. I have so much more fun. It was just ahead of it's time and has many features that should be in cotw or even woth...
Sure, classic can be a grind but honestly. If you're throwing money at cotw. You also can at classic and get more fun since guns are more versatile and just more plentyful and even diverse with some lesser known or "odd" calibres.
I do like TheHunter: Classic. I just haven't spent too much time in it though because i can't get over the graphics. They aren't horrible by any means though
I just started playing a few months ago so I'm still enjoying it. But yeah I would enjoy more of a varied hunting experience rather then just run to water and shoot
I'm glad you're enjoying it. I've had 100s of hours of fun with the game!
Tbh. I just started playing this game back in June. I love it. I’ve just gotten my first G1 red deer. I’ve been playing on and off. Mostly a 2k player, cod, apex etc. I have about 270 hours in total on this. The grind definitely keep me going but it does get boring rather quickly doing the same grind for every animal. But yet I keep coming back. I know I’m years late to the game but it’s very enjoyable. Want to give way of the Hunter a try but I’m still stuck here and will be for a good while it seems. Hunting for diff furs, etc just makes me want to fill
Up my lodge even more. I have a pretty decent lodge on my ps5. Game will crash at the worst times though. Gotten cheated out of some dimes a few times. Makes me want to take breaks bc of how frustrating that part is
Thanks for your comment. It's really interesting to see an insight from someone who got the game rather recently. Congratulations on your Great One Red Deer though!
Used to play this non stop now have jumped boat to Way of the hunter and have never looked back. I can't stand the hype of grinding.
Way of the Hunter is a great simulation hunting game. Probably more of a simulation than theHunter is. I think people have worked out the optimal way to hunt and unfortunately nothing will change unless there is an overhaul.
Same! I been playing for 5-6 years I bet and I just loved the game at first and now I kinda feel as if it's all about the great ones now ugh
Completely agree!
They still havnt given us elephants
I doubt they will to be honest
Some people say COTW is dying because of Hunting Simulator 2. This is not correct, in fact I prefer COTW over HS2. The real reason is actually because of Way of the Hunter.
Because of Hunting Sim 2? I've never played that because I thought it was sucky as. Maybe I should give it a go. I do love Way of the Hunter though
@@Gruntly please read the whole comment. I said people think that COTW is dying because of Hunting Simulator 2, but it is incorrect. HS2 is basically an Itty pitty DLC version of COTW. COTW is way better and bigger than HS2. Way of The Hunter might be a cause of its downfall. After the launch of HS2, many people got excited and quit COTW but got disappointed and returned to it later because of how small the maps in Hunting Simulator 2 are.
I love this game, I have played over 2,670 I am not into grinding, I love wandering around shooting what I find. I just reset the game & now lvl 35 I was surprised how hard they made it from the beginning too much gun wobble ect, to be honest they made it very hard to shoot compared to later. I am surprised that some people kept going with the game as they did make it pretty hard at the start. I am a real life hunter even when I started I was never this bad at shooting, they make you really crap from the start. I think the company is mainly looking after the the grinders & not the every day player, why else did they change the bears to night time & now back again, I think there was an easier fix, why not just turn off the aggression & chasing part of the mountain lion, you can see the bears near other animals with no problem so just turn off the feature that make the other animals scared of the lion ect. Anyway I was quite happy with the old times & the way they chased each other, if I went to a lake I would shoot a bear or a lion, what ever was there. The update that took mountain goats away from drinking zones destroyed that map, it was my all time favorite map but now you can hardly find a goat which was great fun to shoot & there was lots of them, they stuffed up the mountain lions ect at the same time. They seem to be catering to the grinders only with changing times to suit them.
Completely agree with your comment! That change from night time drinking to day time probably was catered only for grinders. It's a shame that the every day player is starting to look like the average grinding player though
I'm new and was liveing the game I'm not that good at it didn't know how to grind but used the tents to pop a n and out of zones lot harder game now trying to adjust
So what’s next? Fortnight,cod or gta5? Whatever you choose we got your back
I think I'll stick around the genre, I've been streaming Cabela's Big Game Hunter: Pro Hunts and I really am enjoying that! There are so many games that would fit the channel so anything is possible!
Bruh you do you. It’s all good we got your back
theHunter: Call of the Wild is my most favorite hunting game ever. My 2nd most favorite is Way of the Hunter, and my 3rd most favorite is theHunter: Classic.
its really hard to not play the meta way. but thats what i choose to do. i dont make content. i only play for fun. what changed this for me honestly goes back years and diablo 3. i used to play builds that i thought were fun and enjoyed it. i never was able to reach top difficulty because of this. but one day i met some new friends and they convinced me to try some builds from a website. i did and instantly was rolling thru top difficulty like it was nothing. fast forward and i learned that, that style of play is simply boring and took all the joy i used to get from gaming. this game is really no different. once you get into a fallow grind or any other animal. its fun for a day or two, you rack up the cash, buy more tents, setup more grinds. i found very quickly i was having way more fun travelling from lake to lake spotting watering holes than i did spawning and respawning in. of course to each their own. whatever you or anybody else finds joy in, play that way.
i do wonder if you enjoyed the begal tiger and snow leopard hunts in one of the recent updates. seams they fit right in to what you wanted. i have yet to get a leopard but i have a few tigers. still have never got a great one and only a couple diamonds. and im ok with that!
enjoyed your video. be good
Thb i do grind in this game but not every single time i play for the most part me and my friends hop on set the time the needzones and do a massive walk from zone to zone hunting things along the way along with the the zones i think being able to fast travel to tent to tent means no walking witch i do believe is the the man problem with the game because playing optimal means telaporting to tent to tent setting the time over and over again witch is not fun people need to set up trip bring frinds along talk have fun build storys i remember on yukon me and my friend walk apon some bison and one was about to charge he hit it with buck i braind it as it was a few feet from my friend making it slid to his feet
I also use the guns I love like the mosun and .338 I think if you pick a gun because it slightly better than your playing the game wrong one of my friends uses the muzzleloader in his words hunting like the founding fathers intend
God this game is fun if you just don't fully comment to the grind the amount of good memories I have is with my friends who all use different guns like the one the bison story hunts manly small game and loves shot guns his favorite is the one from the Mexican map
That sounds like a great way to play. You don't spend every second grinding and seem to have a nice little group to hunt with. I respect that
@@Gruntly thanks man and your more than welcome to join us we need a 4th anyway
The Hunter Classic was a good game i love everything about it until they screwed it they raised the price of ammo they start adding more stuff that needs a ton of real money to buy more tent , new guns...etc . people where fun to hunt with they offer you to stay and hunt with them in their hunting stands and add each others in discord . most of the people where nice and friendlily .
*_"they screwed it they raised the price of ammo"_*
The cost of ammo is really a non-issue, it's only an issue for Call of Duty style hunters like you who need to pump 10 bullets into a bear, when one shot of a .340 aimed at a vital organ will do just fine.
*_" that needs a ton of real money to buy more tent , new guns...etc"_*
That's because you want to own the whole store, and then complain that you lack the in-game finances. You make this silly assumption to assume that it will make you a skilled hunter by buying all of that. I got news for you; it won't.
I have a second account that only owns a .300, and spotting scope and NOTHING else, not even camo or callers. All the in-game money I earn is just piling up, and I refuse to buy anything with it. And guess what? I won over 140 medals with that account so far, 93 were gold, I hold two world records, and I'm twice in the all-time Hall of Fame. Gear doesn't make you great hunter, skills do.
_*"and hunt with them in their hunting stands *_
Hunt? You call that hunting? Hibernating in a treestand chatting and playing a game of Breakout on your huntermate?
I play CotW since console release, and i am with you, the game is now purely grinding, but the community is not all that good anymore, just because of the great ones, you are judged by the amount of great ones, i hate grinding, and i love walking around and shoot animals, that is the reason why i recently bought Way of the Hunter.
For me CotW start to look like CoD, where all goes about stats and not about fun, the game is formed around the bigger content creators and not for the players. The fans of some bigger creators are doing what the creator says or does, and the developers think that the whole community wants that,
I am not impressed with the content maps they launched, after Te Awaroa,
I got them all but play most on Hirshfelden and TeAwaroa, thise are the best maps in my opinion, Finland i played for 2 weeks and is meh, Emerald coast the same, not even mentioning the mountain map i dont even know its name out of my head,
Not to name drop but ScareCrow has effectively killed this game, turning it into a cookie clicker great one grind fest. EW sees the views he pull and then develops the game in that style not realizing how detrimental it was to identity of the game. I’m a hunter ins real life and I want to escape into COTW for a similar experience. Fast travelling to need zones and shooting Irish elk fallow deer is not what I’m looking for. I’ve taken a extended break form the game and won’t return until heard management exploit is addressed…
I agree, the game has changed so much and thus the community has started to change too. We all used to enjoy the hunt and just the hunt. Now, things are more about the grind and only the grind
It's not him alone. There are plenty of Content Creators who grind, myself included. Once it became more known, everyone had started grinding. To clarify, I think most of the content creators out there are absolutely awesome. They look to add new challenges to the game and spice up their content from just the boring grind.
Agreed by no means is Crow alone it’s a large part of the community that leaned into HM including some of my favorite creators like KC. I was just using him as an example because of how his channel grew with the usage of heard management. My point was just that there are ways EW could address tent hopping HM like limiting time between fast travel, erasing need zones, or using a spawn mechanic similar to classic. Then focus more on the details and environment of the game. Instead we get updates that only enhance the need and desire to do heard management. I don’t care if Jaxy said it was ok once on stream, taking advantage of a spawn mechanic was not how the game was designed to be played, and has fundamentally changed the course of the game from being a hunting simulator, to a RNG tent hopper simulator…
totally agree with you
Appreciate that mate :)
Are you still going to play Cotw?
I still do here and there
@@Gruntly ok I was wondering!
I’m so disgusted with this game right now…what started as an amazing hunting journey is now a real labor. Great ones ruined the game, glitches are all over the place and trolls are just bs. Imagine spending hours and hours exploring and spotting only to miss the diamond by 0.01…also what keeps someone of joining a modded server get all the trophies and then show off? Is there a way to tell? Most of the content creators nowadays just order their next super rare and then jump in and do the live stream, acting all surprised for the great find..such a joke. Hunting simulation my a55, fast traveling from lake to lake killing hundreds of animals in an hour. Time to try a different game
After Playing the game for just 128 hours i uninstalled it because i feel like it has zero replayability
Unless you continue harvesting animals in the hopes of a great one or rare, then yeah I kinda agree.
Imo that's why I way prefer the hunter classic to cotw, never know what your going to see and the games way more realistic
That mystery alone would bring a lot of players back each and every week
I have close to 500 hours, I've never once felt the desire to grind for diamonds or great ones. I will never get a great one, I find a diamond about every 100 hours or so, and that's fine with me because it feels amazing every time. TBH, I feel like a big part of the issue is that there is a lot of emphasis in the community and especially the influencer space on that grind, and it's understandable why, being able to put "I found this Diamond/Super Rare/Great One on my grind" makes for great engagement. And to be clear, I don't feel like creators are AT FAULT for this, I'm just saying that's what drives clicks, people want to get that dopamine hit of seeing something amazing and rare happen. It's to the detriment of the community though IMO, I have seen multiple posts from people who buy the game and jump STRAIGHT into the grind because that's what they think the game is from the way it's discussed.
Now the important part, how do we fix it?... I don't know, I don't think there is a fix because the way the human mind works, the way engagement and algorithms work, the cycle is locked in, and it would take a major, community wide shift in thinking and discourse to change anything, and I just don't see that happening any time soon.
I disagree. I see a lot of people playing the game as it’s intended to be. It’s not dead. It’s a Playstyle. And rares are supposed to be rare. It’s called rares for a reason. Guaranteed rares are not fun it’s not something special because everyone can get them easily. It’s that special moment when you find something really rare. Rare spawns are good. It wouldn’t be fun otherwise. Imo
Appreciate your comment and I respect your perspective :)
Just my opinion, but I agree with you however I feel like cotw has become a great game and there is a lot of people who enjoy being able to go to a lake and find animals. I for one don't have the time to spend hours tracking, and it is really good just to be able to jump quickly from lake to lake. I think that games like the hunter classic and way of the hunter can be great to get some realisim if you want it. however sometimes the reason you play is not for realisim. anyway as I said just my opinon.
Cheers
Thanks for your opinion. My dissapointment is that COTW started as a simulation. It's gone through a big change and is now more arcadey than ever. Thanks again for sharing your opinion in a respectful way :)
@@Gruntly All good, it is good to discuss things!! I agree with your perspective too!
I took a break from call of the wild I decided to buy that other hunting game Way of the Hunter. I haven’t touched call of the wild since.
Not a bad idea to try and get back into it. We've got the new reserve around the corner!
@@Gruntly Heck yea I can’t wait! Yea I started to play some call of the wild earlier. After playing way of the hunter it did take a second to get used to the graphics of call of the wild again. As way of the hunter has better graphics than call of the wild. Lol
Price you pay if you want a great one. Can have just as much fun hunting rares. I mean how much does a game need to give? 1000 hours seems reasonable =)
That is a fair call. TheHunter is by far my most played game and there has to be a reason for it right?
I do think the grind for a great one could be one of the hardest grinds in gaming, but I also think now that the standard has been set, making it easier would take some wow factor away. @@Gruntly
The next DLC is definitely going to be life or death for call of the wild and in hope they know that so if the don’t give us like an Asia map or a Canada map me personally I’m going to keep playing Fortnite
I think so. On the bright side they are definitely taking their time which is a good thing
i understand your opinion really well but pls tell me this dont mean your quitting i love your vids they make me laugh and make me happy i have 1500 kills and want my great one whitetail and it is eh but the only thing keeping me going is watching your vids
No quitting here! I'll still play as many hunting games as possible! I have a video planned in the future on a retro hunting game that I've been loving on stream for one!
i don't grind in the game and i just go and walk my maps and get diamonds and rares and i have gotten many of my great one by just walking and killing. that saying a lot of people that play this game don't hunt in real life i'm going to guess that you don't either so you and the other that don't hunt in real life don't know how realistic the game really is. in the real life when you go hunting you either got public land or private land. On public land you have to go walk in the woods or you scout and try to find where the deer are so you have to put hours of your time to find animals. private you have stands and you go sit in those stands for hours all of season. So before you call this game unrealistic because you don't have a clue about hunting just don't say anything
Hey there, I actually hunt quite a bit here in Australia and I even have a video of one of my hunting trips on my channel. From what I know, the current play style that a majority of players take is the herd managing grind. The way you play is unfortunately in the minority and I respect that you take a different approach to playing TheHunter: COTW
Not sure about game is dying but seen a lot enough players play those game including me still, seen some ppl making videos especially Ladylegend still playing those game too.
They definitely are. But what are they doing? Are they actually hunting or just fast travelling?
@@Gruntly ah I see ...some of em fast travels some on foot, me myself bit of both mix but mostly love bowhunting on foot stalker more often.
They just need to add more guns and a gun smith and more unique animals
It's not a hunting simulator. In this game you will see tons of white flashing track indicator floating about a track, does that indicate that it's a hunting simulator? A lot of things in this game simply confirm that it makes no attempt to be a simulator as best as possible, and don't be misled by the graphics, a game needs a lot more than fancy graphics to be called a simulator. I wouldn't even play a hunting game like this in which it's so easy to hack the game to get any score or rare you want.
This a game that truly tries to be a simulator as much as possible: "Beginners guide to starting the Boeing 747-8i in Microsoft Flight Simulator after the AAU2 update", and no need for hacking in that game.
I've played the game different from others I guess, I don't use the grind theme of tents and tripods, I hunt just like I would in real life, I tract the blood trails, I shoot the bigger animals and leave the smaller and females alone, I hunt drink zones, feed zones and rest zones just like you would in real life. Getting the Great One is not a priority for me, doing the hunts as I would in real life is. You want missions setup with a great one at the end of it, how quick would the game be over if that's all it was, jumping from tent to tent for a grind knowing that it's RNG that will determine how soon the GO appears so you can move to the next one is not something I'd enjoy. Your trying to fill the trophy lodges, so you can admire the game that you've harvested, that's great but then what.. sounds like your looking for something else. You can play the game however you'd like, your trying to find a way to get more viewers but the game isn't really offering many options, go play something else, those that are here for the hunt will keep playing until something else grabs their attention. IMO
The game is awful I see more deer downtown in my city than I do in this shit game. You get $800 for a kill and a better scope is $12,000??????? Dumb. Awful. I hate it. Most hated game I’ve ever played
Agreed they are just flogging a dead horse now.
It's dying as its so boring compared to way of the hunter
I do like Way of the Hunter
Tent hunt is kill this game i think....very casual devs they now push angler and game is pure garbage😉
I hate to say it, I agree
They need to temove tent fast travel and zones shuld be radndom everytine you load map,game is stupid arcade now
It is a dumb game. Animals most of the time are concentrated on need zones, no realism.
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