Why Did Ukraine Fail to Achieve Independence After the First World War?
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2022
- How did Ukraine became part of the Soviet Union? In this history of Ukraine it happened because Ukraine failed to secure its independence in the post WW 1 chaos that occured in Central and Eastern Europe after the Armistice. After the Russian Revolution (1917) the Ukrainian People's Republic (also known as the Ukrainian National Republic; the UNR) is established. When Bolshevik Russia and Germany signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk it left Ukraine in the German sphere of influence. Apart from the UNR the West Ukrainian People's Republic was established in Eastern Galicia. This republic was soon overrun by the Polish forces in the Polish-Ukrainian War (1918 - 1919). Meanwhile White Russian troops fought against the Red (as part of the Russian Civil War). The White Russian forces were attacked by the Black Army of Nestor Machno: the Revolutionary Insurgent Army of Ukraine who ruled the so-called Free Territory of Ukraine.
History Hustle presents: Why Did Ukraine Fail to Achieve Independence After the First World War?
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SOURCES
- Russia in Flames. War, Revolution, Civil War 1914 - 1921 (Laura Engelstein).
- A People's Tragedy. A History of the Russian Revolution (Orlando Figes).
- The Vanquished, Why the First World War Failed to End, 1917-1923 (Robert Gerwarth).
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The History of Ukrainian Territory
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Ukrainian War of Independence (1917 - 1921)
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Ukrainian Collaboration with Germany in WW2 (1941 - 1945)
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Kharkov People’s Republic (2014)
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jewish pogroms has been done by whites monarchists.
Petlura has no strength to stop it.
Kharkov-Russian city! It was founded in 1630. Tsar Ale Mikh I Mikhailovich built a fortress in 1656 in the Kharkov region. What about Ukraine?
Sumi-was founded by Tsar Alex The king allowed the refugees (who fled from Poles) to habitate them . What about Ukraine?
Poltava-was in the X During this traitor Hetman v attacc What about Ukraine?
DNEPROPETROVSK-founded by Catherine II in 1776 and was called Ekaterinoslav. What about Ukraine?
Lugansk-founded in 1795 founded by Catherine II in near Luhan River. What about Ukraine?
Kherson-founded by Empress Catherine II in 1778 for the construction of the Russian fleet. Construction was made by Potemkin. What about Ukraine?
Donetsk-founded by Emperor Alexander II in 1869 during the construction of a metallurgical plant in Y What about Ukraine?
Nikolaev-founded by Empress Catherine II in 1789. At this time there Potemkin built ship "St. Nicholas". And here in Ukraine?
ODESSA-founded by Catherine II in 1794 on the site of a fortress, built a little earlier Graf Suvorov. What about Ukraine?
Tschernihiv - one of the oldest Russian cities, existed in the early 10th century. In 1503 it was part of Russia. In 1611 it was destroyed by the Poles. But in 1654, Tschernihiv returned to Russia and since then has always been a part of Russia. The question is: where and Ukraine?
Simferopol-founded by Catherine II in 1784. It was built on the site of Potemkin and Suvorov military camp near the Tatar colony. What about Ukraine?
SEBASTOPOL-founded by Catherine II in 1783 on the site of a fortress built before Suvorov. Built the city of Potemkin. What about Ukraine?
Mariupol-founded in 1778 by Catherine II. The Greeks inhabited them-immigrants from the Crimea. What about Ukraine?
Krivo R Rog-founded by Catherine II in 1775. And development comme industrial center, such as base metals. What about Ukraine?
Zaporozhe What about Ukraine?
Kirovograd-was founded in 1754 by the Russian Empress Elizabeth, as a fortress to protect the southern borders of the Russian Empire against Tatars. His name was Elizabethgrad. What about Ukraine?
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Stefan. You are a true "hero of history." I thank you for the knowledge that you have shared with us all.
Thank you, Max!
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I'm glad to see your mentioning Makhno as more than a passing name. He was actually responsible for bringing Denikin's offensive on Moscow to a halt. I forget which city Makhno's forces captured, but it was were Denikin's forces had most of their artillery sells and lots of ammunition. With that loss, they couldn't persevere any longer. Anyway, hope you're feeling better. Take it easy and ding dong.
Thanks. I'll make a special episode on Makhno in the near future.
@@HistoryHustle Sounds good!
Maknho captured Katerynoslav (modern-day Dnipro).
@@s.yemchenko5010 Thank you.
Should have talked more about Petlura and Piłsudski trying to move east after the 1920 defeat of Soviets in Poland
That's for another video
Yes, actually the Polish created the first independent state, but it was plagued with discord and rivalry. When the soviet invasion came (the horse army with Budyonniy and Stalin) and the Polish retreated way back to Warsaw, the whole thing fell apart.. The most tragic is that the White never try to ally or at least coordinate with Pilsudki, they looked on Poland as a province of the Tsar, and of course the Reds, internationalists had also no intention of any independent national state .. nor the anarchist state of Mahno
@@HistoryHustle That's what would be amazing. We have a book by our former colonel assistant chief of staff: White Eagle vs. Red Star. It covers from 1917 to the Peace of Riga in 1921.
It's super simplistic when people portray it as Russia VS Ukraine. Considering Ukrainian Anarchists, being anti-capitalist, sided with the bolsheviks. Nationalist Ukrainians were much less successful than their anachist counterparts. Good on you for pointing this out.
Today Ukraine is more united than ever. Back then this indeed was not the case.
@@HistoryHustle I must disagree with that. I would say, only people of one opinion is being heard. Who dare to say out a different opinion? Even in my country, people rather refuse to answer or just pretend ignorance of this topic.
In the recent couple of years, people learned to silently keep away from mainstream, keep their opinion to a closed circle no to risk discrimination or excommunication by the PC inquisition.
@@HistoryHustle We are all ukrainians. 🇧🇷
"Anarchists, being anti-capitalist". You must read about the ancaps 💲. Obrigado! 🇧🇷
@@marcoskehl - Ancaps? Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha!!
Ancaps are a stinking joke!!
3 cheers for the Ukranian Insurgent Army!! 3 cheers for Nestor Mahkno!!
Uuurraaahh!! etc, etc.
Really condensed mini history lesson. Good show, Professor.
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@@HistoryHustle will you do a lesson about holodomor and the kazahk famine of 1931-1933 also???
These videos are great. I worked at a Ukrainian-American historical society in college as part of the history degree program. It was during the Orange Revolution and I had to learn quickly about Ukraine’s complicated history of independence.
Thanks for your reply.
Another excellent synopsis of how Ukraine failed to gain independence, and how the Bolsheviks succeeded in annexing it to Russia post WW1! Thank you, Professor!
Many thanks Liam!
@@HistoryHustle , you're very welcome!
@@nirvana3921 , annexation, subsumed as a vassal state...semantics. Not my bag of tea.
@@nirvana3921 , mayhaps because I am not, nor ever will be a communist? As an outsider looking in, I will stand by the word. Ukraine became Bolshevik in the end, part of the USSR. That is not debatable. ;)
Well technically the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was an independent country from Russia and was never annexed into the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, they just had the same party and ideology. In 1922 the Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Byelorussian SSR and Transcaucasian SFSR came together and signed the treaty of union which resulted in creating the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, that was intended and initially working as a Union of independent soviet socialist states (with a way similar to how the European Union works today) until Stalin came into complete power and transformed this union of Soviet Republics into a huge and complex federal country with a centralised government by adopting a constitution for the union despite being completely against the spirit of what Lenin visioned the union to be and how work and against the initial agreement of the creation of the union signed by the original soviet republics.
Thank you, Stephan. You’re a great teacher 👍
Many thanks Caroline.
Thank you Stefan!
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Great video Stefan!
Thanks for watching.
Informative and intriguing!
Glad to read.
Another great video!
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Love this video and channel
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An excellent doc about a very complex matter.
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Well presented as ever, I did wonder and good to see you looking better.
Many thanks.
Facts over emotions. Good video.
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Timely work.
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Stefan, shall we be witness to a repeat of history once again 🤔🤔🤔 Thank you for sharing your knowledge 👍
Hi Jesse, thanks once again for replying... it's crazy what's going on in Ukraine now. I hope it ends soon!
Very interesting.
Thanks for watching!
Hello my friend, you always delivering the best, thank you and wish you the best
Thanks Edgar.
Loving the Ukrainian content. It puts current history-in-the-making into context.
Glad to read Mike!
I find it fascinating that there once was a divide between the thinking of the Ukrainian urban population and the Ukrainian peasantry about the national identity of Ukraine. It helps to explain the idea that Ukraine isn't a "real country" expressed by Vladimir Putin and the belief that invading Russians would be welcomed into the country by its people. Very enlightening video.
Thanks for watching. I do consider Ukraine a real country myself though. This is also proven by the unity the country shows as of today's war.
@@HistoryHustle Yes, I got that and I agree. Plus the invasion and the eight year war before that has greatly strengthened the Ukrainian national identity, even among many of Ukraine's Russian-speaking population. Plus it's always possible to turn the argument the other way - one can say Ukraine is the true inheritor of the Kyivan Rus, not Russia.
@@takashitamagawa5881 Igor girkin/strelkov Russian FSB agent famous for shooting down Malaysian airlines plane. Who fought in Donbas with the separatists, urged Putin to invade in 2014.
If Putin had actually fully invaded Ukraine in 2014, he would’ve succeeded in his goal.
Eastern and western Ukraine was divided by public opinion after euro maiden, not to mention that the Ukrainian army due to corruption only had 7,500 ready for combat troops. It’s one of the reasons why Ukraine failed to initially put down the separatists in Donbas.
Russia’s partial invasion of Donbas and Crimea, stirred nationalist sentiment and the Minsk agreement bought Ukraine enough time to build an army. They went from 7,500 trained soldiers in 2014 to 200,000 active soldiers and 900,000 reserve soldiers in 2020. And many had combat experience from the war in Donbas. Regular soldiers received western training from U.S, Canadian and British armies, while Ukrainian junior officers attended western military academies.
Putin literally shot himself in the foot.
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Excellent point about the opportunity Russia may have had in 2014 to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine. I remember hearing about the divide in pro-Russian sentiment between the eastern and western parts of the country. With the bitterly contested Russian invasion (thanks to the buildup of the Ukrainian military) and the Russian caused devastation of Mariupol and other Ukrainian areas the pro-Ukrainian unity of the country appears to have been much enhanced.
@@takashitamagawa5881 Has a lot to do with the information war. Russian media was widely present within the country, and they would pump out propaganda saying euro maiden was fascist and they were going to oppress Russian speaking Ukrainians and they continued peddling conspiracy theories.
During the the russian spring, Crimea annexation and the war in Donbas. Ukraine banned all Russian journalists and Russian media in Ukraine. Which means Ukrainians could no longer watch Russian propaganda and after the chaos had settled many propaganda lies were dispelled.
Like any oppression towards Russian speakers. Good example of this is President zelensky, who’s a russian speaker that became President.
But yea, your house getting shelled is a great motivator for patriotism.
Thank you for your interesting content! Very nice! Slava Ukrania!
Thanks for replying!
Dude Stephan got lots of knowledge dropped on me bro. Good work, hope you are beater, cheers my friend.
Thanks as always Otis!
Thank you for this history! My Mother's family (Piwinski/Idzik) is from the area along the Polish/Ukraine border in 1971. I am not sure where or what side of the modern borders they are from. My grandmother did recall a Cossack soldier riding thru her village when she was young (circa 1908?) The richest person they had ever seen.
Hi Gary, thank you for sharing this.
Thank you for covering Ukraine. Helps me to understand the current day situation much better
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great hat hus great vid too
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Thanks Stefan, a real mine field the Ukrainian history., unfortunately we are not through with it at the moment.
Sure is. Thanks Marc!
"The FIRST Casualty Of WAR Is TRUTH💯%."
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Yes.
An excellent account of a mind-blowingly complex period of Ukrainian history, very succinctly communicated. The fact that the Bolsheviks promoted Ukrainian culture in the 1920's was something I wasn't aware of, which is rather ironic looking at the present conflict. Also the local patriotism, or rather parochialism of the Ukrainian peasant would account for the popularity of the Makhno forces, and for the rather swift demise of the same, once a more sensitive approach by Lenin was adopted, as soon as the anarchists had been bludgeoned into submission of course in a rather typical Bolshevik fashion.
Thank you for watching.
Watching such videos in the English-speaking world, I, as a Ukrainian, am VERY, VERY PLEASANT to see that our history, our true history, is still known in Europe ❤
Glad to read. Thanks for your response.
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love this mini story that almost forgotten in post ww1 history..I'd like to hear about Royal Albanian army when they under King Ahmet Zogolli before Italy invade Albania..Will u make video about it sir stefan?
Perhaps in the future some day.
Great video. Albania under Italian occupation would be great topic
Thanks for watching..won't cover Albania in the near future.
@@HistoryHustle ohh 😔
Love the clothes!
Cheers!
Dude iron the flag lol, but great video as always
Ok, thanks.
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Thanks for your reply.
Yes how true. And nobody seems to learn and remember. half polish-hungarian I am shocked to see how central and eastern Europe is thrown in the bear-trap by the west, as meat, then abandoned and neglected in a second phoney war. Only Poland was betrayed at least five times by the West since WW1... but that's we are people. Short memory,
Very good. More please. BZ
You still sound a little hoarse.
True but I am getting better 💪
Really great we are doing history other than Nazi formations again. My Great, Great Grandfather Fode was a Volga German living in Alte Postal, Bessarabia, the Ukraine. He owned a lot of small businesses from Odessa all the way up to Berlin. My Mother says my Great Great Grandfather talked a lot about why he moved to the U.S. He said a lot of groups were in Ukraine with weapons, all wanted Ukrainians to fight for Ukraine, but they really wanted them only to help them take Ukraine for their country. The central powers wanted it to be part of Germany and Austria-Hungary, the poles were interested in taking Galicia for Poland, Romania wanted to reassert old land claims, White Russians wanted to reduce Ukrainians back to being agricultural serfs, the communists were there just to steal industry and food for the Soviet Union. Basically there was no uninterested party willing to supply arms to the Ukrainians and they had no experience in trying to throw so many heavily armed invaders from so many countries out of their country. Excellent video.
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Maybe you can do the Ukraine`s independence from USSR in 1991. From their perspective. People talk about only of fall of Soviet Union regarding Russia
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Thanks for an excellent, honest, balanced account. I look forward to your installment on Mahkno and the Insurgent Army of the Ukraine. I recommend the contemporary works of Voline and Peter Arshinov to enrich your account.
Thanks for your reply. Soon more on Makhno.
Russia is more a part of Ukraine that broke off than Ukraine is a part of Russia that broke off. Kiev was the original heart of the kievan rus before they made some bad decisions and got absolutely annihilated by the Mongols. Kings and generals has a decent documentary on how this occured
I'll check it out.
@lati long Kyivan Rus is not russia they have no histocial connection how can something just shift lmao
@@marthakostiuk6546 kieven rus is the foundation for all rus.. Belarus Russia Ukraine
@@raidang Kyivan Rus* and no russia has nothing to do with it same with Belarus
@@marthakostiuk6546 what is the word after Kyivan?
Mostly due to a lack of Allied support. The french gave Poland an entire army of 60,000 (general Haller's blue army).
Oh and BTW, the bolsheviks and Stalin DID NOT give Ukrainian culture room to flourish and attempted a genocide( holodomor) only a few years after the Ukrainian SSR was established.
Peace for Ukraine and the World!
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Their national animal wasn't cute enough. Also can we get a series on national animals?
lol, perhaps one day.
i see why they sided with the germans during ww2 my mom always said the sins of our past always come back to bite you later
Most Ukrainians in WW2 fought against the Nazis.
It really is a shame I learned almost nothing about the Eastern Front of WW1 at school. At times it sounds more cruel than the Western one, yet I always learned that "some states got independence" and that was it. Thanks for filling the gaps, Stefan :)
Here's more:
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@@HistoryHustle Thank you! Will check it out :-)
Please Please Could You Think About Doing A Video On IRISH 1916 Easter Rising🍀
or Earlier Irish History Under TERRIBLE BRITTISH RULE & IRISH FAMINE🍀
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Not anytime soon sorry. Please check the Great War channel for that content.
The ending obscures the complexity of Stalin's role in this. The vast majority of Ukraine's cultural development happened under Stalin, and was done intentionally by him. He did horrible atrocities in Ukraine later, but he definitely was not absent in their nation building.
Please explain.
Ха-ха-ха! Вы просто попали в яблочко! Особенно важным для развития украинской культуры был расстрел Сталиным всех значительных фигур украинских писателей, поэтов, художников и ученых
I don't know which is more complicated, Ukraine Post-WWI or Russia Post -WWI
Also as I recall, Both Makhno and Petilura ended up in Paris after the war, Makhno just went through Romania while Petilura went through Poland
Both as complicated I think although Russia had all the Far East troubles also...
@@HistoryHustle the Russian Far East was muddled, it literally had one Leader there who was a Ex-Tsarist Officer who'd been proclaimed the resurrection of the Mongol god of war and ruled with the same terror that the Reds did
The one thing we learn from history is no one learns from history.
Sounds cynical.
Georg Hegel laid that down. Talking about Ukraine and the name of your channel made me think of that quote. Heard it recently.
@@yimboninja7415 well politicians are responsible.
"But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.”
@@aka99 @aka99 well said.but do the people actually learn from history?? If we did we would hold our politicians a lot more accountable.
@@yimboninja7415 how would we, how should we and how could we, the people, hold our politicians more accountable? btw, my previous sentence is a quote, but i guess you know that.
Funny how you showed demonstrations of french-Ukrainian relationships))
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Notice that today's Russian Belgorod area was Ukrainian. The extent of Holodomor genocide was immense.
It sure was.
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While this is a well-put-together video, I should point out something.There wasn't just one Ukraine at the time, yet you phrase it as "Ukrainians vs Reds". The Ukrainian Soviet Republic was established by Ukrainian members of the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. This was just as much of a civil war as it was a "foreign" invasion. Not to mention that Ukraine had the right to unilaterally secede from the Soviet Union if they wished, which is what they did in 1991. At the very least, you included the Anarchists.
True. Please check out the previous video where I talk about the 4 Ukraines in 1918.
Looks like there's more unity now.. hope they'll get their independence! Your voice still sounds a bit rusty, hope you're feeling a bit better! (and that cap still suits you :-)
Greets from the North 🌷, T.
Thanks for your reply, T.! And yeah, my voice was still kinda rusty. Doing much better now though.
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Terrorism response is a handy tool the Soviets and their Spawn use often to subdue and oppress their victims.
As some point they gave in but under Stalin they went full terror again.
I thought the thumbnail was an original photo of dragon ball and Z😅
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Finally I see no propaganda channel
Who folded that flag?
Billie from Bol.com.
Good video. Could you cover Ukraine in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
Thanks, much more to cover. Actually, here is my take on WW2 and Ukrainian collaboration:
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Ukraine as independent would be an interesting thing when WW2 kicked off. Or the UdSSR would annex them with force.
Think so yes. Perhaps already in 1939 after Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
@@HistoryHustle yes. Sadly.
The Red's with the help of the Anarchist movement
There were deeper reasons, please watch the video.
Unfortunately, anarchist failed poorly in other popular front situations. Ukrainian anarchist did write some awesome songs , though love your topics and solid history! The uniform , however....
Any idea which uniform it really is?
@@HistoryHustle I am unsure and just jealous because none of my historic uniform fit. Wear what you wish but keep up the content. . The material is great keenly unique. The power of history is needed now more than ever. I have a topic to suggest but I need to paetron you first ! Ciao!
@@HistoryHustle is the uniform Dutch reserve?
Let me guess, Ovseeko was shot by Stalin. Thank you Stefan for tackling this baffling conflict. I am fairly well read on Soviet history, but these events get folded into the larger conflict of "the Russian Civil War" and fades into obscurity. Oddly, I have not read Figes, having concentrated on Volkogonov,, Kotkin, and Conquest but the cannon is vast and ultimately took up six feet of shelf space in my library. I am not confident in my grasp of this subject despite years of reading, just keeping the names and provenance of the players impressed me.
Thanks for your reply.
You should certainly read Figues. I would also recommend The Unknown Revolution by Voline and the History of the Mahknovist Movement by Peter Arshinov for contemporary views by participant observers.
@@walterreeves3679 I appreciate the suggestions, I will investigate. I do wonder if there is anything in further reading which fosters the hope for a better outcome for the Slavs.
The history of Russia is so thick and tragic I think it is too dense to thoroughly grasp without sinking into a state of despair, that is the sense I have gotten from the authorities I have read so far. I began by reading surveys histories and biographies of Soviet leaders starting with Khrushchev and working backwards. As an American I was interested in the impact of the KGB/NKVD on our politics, not exactly a bundle of laughs.
Currently I am catching up on events in 1600 England and the Thirty Years war in Europe, which at least has the benefit of familiar names and locations. I am hoping Stefan will do a series about the Dutch Wars of independence to soften the impact of wading into that mire.
Well done lesson. It explains the events exactly how and why they happened. Another confirmation that the today's Ukrainian nationalists' narrative about the alleged "centuries-long antagonism and hostility between Russians and Ukrainians" and "incessant Ukrainian struggle for independence" is false. Ukrainian folks were getting along with the Russian Empire and Russian people quite well. Only a small portion of the Ukrainian intelligentia was fascinated with Ukrainian nationalism and separatism. There were Polish national uprisings in Russian Empire, there were Russian peasants uprisings, and no Ukrainian peasants uprisings. Ukrainians were seen by the rest of the world as a historical part of the Russian nations. That is why the Treaty of Versailles did not recognize Ukrainian independence.
I agree
Sad but true.
@Oleg: that was then but do notice that Ukrainian identity developed over time especially in the 1920s. Therefore putin's claims about Ukraine today are false and used as an excuse for an unprovoked war.
@@HistoryHustle I think not only you, but also many other commentators misunderstood what Putin meant when he said that “Ukrainians and Russians are one people.” Of course, this was not said about ethnic identity. "One" does not mean "the same". The fact that Russians and Ukrainians are two distinctive ethnic groups with their own cultural and linguistic characteristics is officially recognized in modern Russia (they have an official list of ethnic groups in Russia), and served as the basis for the creation of the Ukrainian SSR as part of the USSR in 1922. Putin is referring to Russian-Ukrainian religious, linguistic and cultural closeness, 330 years of common history and millions of mixed families. He believes Russia and Ukraine must stick to each other for their mutual benefit, and he is not happy that the Ukrainian nationalists are trying to break those ties and closeness.
Of course, this is not a reason for war. We are all pacifists, and any war is evil. However, in my opinion, in the current war, Ukraine is the battlefield of a wider clash. In addition to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, there are 2 more components: the inter-Ukrainian conflict and the confrontation between Russia and the United States.
Every war in history has been provoked by something. This war is also the result of a chain of provocations, mainly by the United States, as well as Ukraine's unwillingness to resolve the civil conflict in Donbas.
In 90-es, there were no more peace-loving nation than Russia. Russia was willing to be a friend to all. Alas, Russia's good will was rejected. The US has become hegemonic in its relations with the rest of the world. The United States declared the prevention of the rebirth of Russia as an influential power the goal of its foreign policy (the Wolfowitz doctrine). NATO expansion has become part of this policy. Together with US-NATO interventions in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Western support for "color revolutions" in the former Soviet republics, this was seen by Russia as a threat.
Nationalism wasn't strong at the time in russian empire, both ukrainian and russian peasant cared more about well being of their village than that of their nation
the B L A C K S
The anarchists.
This is too complicated for me, i pass. lol
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What is confusing in this video is the reference to an independent Ukraine but then repeated describe how there were multiple geographic based armies,and factions. By default therefore there was no such thing as an ‘independent’ Ukraine, but at least 4 different areas who claimed independence from each other. In the end the soviets took over most of these areas before ww2. The idea of an independent Ukraine in context of what the west want to believe is Ukraine is a nonsense.
In my previous I explained the 4 different Ukraines of 1918.
I just didnt understand one point, you said that the ukranain peasants wasnt interest in national sentiment, but then you said Lenin won the peasants over and not the ukranian nationalist, but then give examples of nationalist attitied promoving ukranian national identity int he 20s
That map is incorrect if you talking about ww1 Ukraine that's not the original territory of the independence movment.
It has lands Stalin stole form Moldova Hungery Poland and Russia and its a map of modern Ukriane that Stalin created.
it seems Lenin was much smarter than Putin
Lenin was pragmatic.
@@HistoryHustle it is just another way to say smarter. He set realistic goals and proposed adequate ways to achieve them. What would be the definition of non-pragmatic? Delusional?
@@HistoryHustle also Lenin reacted to challenges - for instance, the response to famine was the new economic politics (NEP). Stalin's reaction to famine was none. Putin is similar to Stalin - similar denial and ignorance
Because they didnt want help from poland and the half of ukriane instead tried to help russia. Ukraine got what it deserved honsslty.they trusted the russians each time even in 17th century
4:48. A pity those brothers were not anarcho-capitalists 🏴☠. I could really admire them if they were...
Um obrigado muito especial do Brasil, Stefan! 🇧🇷
Soon more on the Free Territory.
Degenerative ancap.
Anarcho capitalists exist mainly online not in the real world. The basis of Anarchism has always been anti-capitalist since capitalism is always going to have an owning class exerting authority over the remaining population.
ukrain was created by the USSR in 1919 before that it was Russia,Poland and Hungary.
Its exact borders yes. Its culture and nationalist sentiments existed longer.
Next time iron the flag...
Ok.
Hmm
I am thinking what's the clownish purpose of your Costumes ?
Please explain.
Rude. They're historical costumes.
Thats so easy answer actually. Because Ukraine is a heart of Russia.
Russia can not exist without it. Thats for what the war is happening right now.
too bad for russia
К несчастью, у России нет сердца, - только зубы и когти.
@@blackandwhiteHelen Украине нужно было всего лишь выполнить Минские соглашения,. Почему хохлы такие тупые?!
A small indentation. The National Idea of the Ukrainian People is Freedom. And in those years, compared to the Imperial Government, "Freedom" was promised by the Reds. The promises of their Republic, their language, land and factories gave people their effect. Petliura's nationalist government could not promise anything like that, so the people turned away from him. Ukraine lost its independence because the Ukrainians wanted it, and all the stories that Lenin created Ukraine are the dementia of an old rat who has little left.
Thanks for sharing this.
@lati long Lenin didn't "create" Ukraine. Ukrainian language, culture and Identity existed long before the soviet Union. Lenin simply made them a republic within the Soviet Union.
@@epic1049 Actually it was the first time that an official and stable state and region called Ukraine was ever created and the culture and national differentiation of the ukrainian people from other eastern slavic populations was allowed to flourish and exist, because before the revolution Ukraine never existed unified as Ukraine but just randomly as different regions part of the Russian Empire or of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or of Austria-Hungary or of Poland. It's a fact that Lenin indeed gave Ukraine the modern right to exist as a separate country and nation and not been included in Russia or being assumed to be russians, because if the whites had won in the civil war and not the reds, Ukraine and Ukrainians would probably still be a part of Russia and be regarded as russians and not Ukrainians as a different nation, despite the fact that Lenin indeed gave Ukraine areas that were not considered as part of Ukraine back then, even by the Ukrainian nationalists, because some of those areas consisted of mainly russians, greeks or tatars and very few ukrainians. The only official territory that Ukraine has today that even Lenin was not willing to touch and give it from Russia to the, back then, newly formed Ukrainian SSR was Crimea that it became a part of Ukraine only as recently as in 1954 when the ukrainian soviet leader Khrushchev transferred the peninsula from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.
@@stgr0186 But Ukraine independently declared independence after the collapse of the Russian Empire. Lenin had nothing to do with that. They even fought against the Bolsheviks with the help of the Germans. To claim that Lenin "Created Ukraine" is absurd. He only recognized them and later integrated them into the Soviet Union after they invaded.
Tell everyone that the ottoman empire and the polish Lithuania empire had all of the Ukrainian and the Russians kicked them out thats how the light brigade ended up being famous and another thing we're fighting the German's but UK USA France invaded in 1917 did the Russians or soviets invaded any of those countries no thr playing the same shit
Same shit?
@@HistoryHustle trying to break up Russia you're the history teacher look back b4 1914 this has been the plan of my country Britain for over 100yrs and now we're backing Banderas mob to do it
@@shanequeen5003 The Russians kicked the Ottomans out? Poland-Lithuania had to do it, after the Cossacks under Petro Doroshenko pledged themselves to the Ottomans.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 well said I knew tht at least someone has brains
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 well done ✅ someone knows history
Peoples from eastern area of Ukraine still consider themselves as Russians and they wants to be liberated or russians while peoples from west area are more of nationalist.Hope everyone gets what they wants!
Well then you should look better at the news. Also in Eastern Ukraine many Russian-speaking Ukrainians resist Russian rule.
@@HistoryHustle I know that. That's why I say there should be another country.
I'am from Dnipro, and I disagree with you.
Simple…..Ukraine area was given to Soviet Union.
Please watch the video.
@@HistoryHustle I’m aware of this. Ultimately, it went to the Soviet Union.
because its an artificial country
Each country is.
Видимо, Ваша страна никем никогда не была «искусственно» создана? Она существовала от сотворения мира?
Why didn't it... ?
Hmmm...
Well - mostly because there was no such thing as Ukraine.
At least on the ground - as opposed to the fever dreams of certain cultist elements.
Please watch the video.
@@HistoryHustle
Yeah, I did watch the video.
And have done quite a lot of academic history research - so there is that.
And the history of "Ukraine", is that it is whatever various interested parties says it is - ethnically, historically, geographically and politically.
There is no historical border for a "Nation" that stands up to any sort of scrutiny.
And of the dozens of ethnic groups in the area, you wouldn't find two to agree on anything substantive.
If you wanted to build a State, and a Country, and a Nation (not the same things) then you would need to tread very carefully, sympathetically, and with compassion to the problems, trauma's and tragedies of all the many and various peoples living there.
Instead, far too many people have decided they would rather "solve" their problems with a gun.
And far too many foreign actors have funded and armed that dissent and conflict - to further their own (seperate) interests.
So the people who got to try to impose a solution (to their liking) are the pawns, extremists and fanatics - with fever dreams of their (usually racist) ideal utopia.
The very fact that there has been nearly continuous war/conflict, ipso-facto demonstrates there is no such thing as "Ukraine". Only land that has been fought over by many, many people for centuries.
The oddity that has existed since the end of the Soviet Union, was never stable, and has only gotten less so over 30 years, through internal (and external) decisions and actions.
The Noun "Ukraine" has been co-opted to mean whatever anybody has wanted it to mean.
First ask what their agenda is, before asking anyone what Ukraine is.
@@barryscott6222 С уважением к Вам, Ваше мнение совершенно ошибочно. Сомневаюсь, что Вы когда-либо посещали Украину. О каких десятках разных этнических групп Вы говорите? Как раз наоборот: один этнос - украинцы - был разорван между разными государствами. Разумеется, эта ситуация очень осложнила формирование современной политической украинской нации, но она все же состоялась, и включает а себя не только этнических украинцев. Если бы это было не так, прогноз западных аналитиков о быстром падении Украины уже давно был бы оправдан. Но Вы тут не единственный в комментариях, чьи представления об Украине очень далеки от истины. К сожалению, адекватных комментаторов очень, очень мало.