@@genuineglimmer yea bc they where a head of meta. His wattson mechanically is the best. But the seer horizon Mets was the main reason they where that good.
@@kensosa7447 for a newly formed team. you have to understand how important chemistry and familiarity with your teammates in comp is. No need to be so negative
We all know what the C9 roster was like and how Zachmazer treated Naughty. Naughty himself said on stream with Alb that he had a lot of bad habits after teaming with Zachmazer for 2 years and it would take time to break, but he was excited with the changes of his new team going forward. Now Lou was not fully prepared to Micro Naughty throughout PL and so his patience rightfully so ran out. But instead of trying to adapt or make constructive criticisms to make things work, he began harping /hyper focusing on Naughtys mistakes and took his frustrations out on him. So here’s the thing that I’m sure Naughty eventually realized himself. Lou did EXACTLY what his previous IGL just did. In reality nothing changed for Naughty. He traded one Zachmazer for another and that’s why his confidence died out. This team needed to take some accountability and work on their own individual bad habits. They came so close to LAN in the hardest meta possible as a new team when they were probably only a few fixes away from being Top 5 in NA.
I wouldn't say "he traded one Zachmazer in for another", and more so, he "made Lou become another Zachmazer". Cause Naughty proved multiple times throughout the split that he needed to be micro-ed, and refused to improve his overall awareness and macro-knowledge to act as a more independent player.
I remember when they first got together officially, and I was so fucking excited, despite seeing the cracks in the armor. Two of my favorite MnK bruisers and Naughty the pocket nuke. Such a shame to them dissolve so quickly.
Cop out explanation at 32:08. No personal accountability on Lou's part. Alb took all the weight on his shoulders to the point of tears, when none of it was on him.
If he added that those results he got after which he stuck aruond were in some way his fault, and not him doling out a favor to the other players, he could've saved it. Instead its revealed in his tweet that he thinks they had different goals when we as the audience know they didn't.
I found myself questioning some of the calls, and had to stop and think about it more and realize this is a high pressure game situation making quick calls for several zones ahead of what I would normally think of in a lobby I could never compete in. They had a hell of a run and it is a shame such a team imploded so quickly
It sucks that Lou and Naughty didn’t give LCQ a chance but I guess we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. Esports comp is ruthless and impatient.
generalizing it to an esports problem isn't the answer, the problem is peoples mentality they take one loss and split up? no competitive drive to make the team better.
it wasn’t just abt the loss it was about making mistakes and not fixing them which is why Lou was so upset and left if I was in his position I would’ve given in some more time but I understand why he left
@@gl0cksw1tch i mean, if he thought naughty had such a problem lou would've demanded they work on things, not act like a little child and wait until oversight is done then, out of the blue decide to leave without actually taking on the challenge of changing his team dynamic.. exactly lou was a baby and bailed on them because he didnt want to work as a team.. exactly what i said
@@widegap1169 Bruh, did you not see where Lou said he asked them to put time in customs with him and Doop?? And they didn’t!?!? That totally negates the point you’re trying to make.
@@anthonythomas556 which he recognized his past mistakes and made it known that he wants to change and be better which i think he did fairly well hes working great as a kbm fragger who gives great suggestions as a past igl but still listening to his igl to the best of his ability
@@kavid8120 there are 60yo dudes that cry when their football teams lose, nothing wrong with getting emotional when something you liked suddenly isn't there anymore
Loved the team but Lou having an easy out with blaming naughty always rubbed me the wrong way. I really hope that naughty can find a team that lifts him up and gives him back the confidence that makes him a great player
Naughty sounds like such a good teammate. Every time he made a mistake and Lou went after him, he looked down and apologized. Not a single drop of ego could be heard in his voice. But Lou, even if he was frustrated, just spoke from the ego. Hope they all earn from this and manage to thrive
I agree with your point about Naughty but to say Lou just spoke from ego?!? Cmon man. People praise Hal for all the shit he says but Lou does it, and not even to the extent that Hal does, and it’s “Lou has an ego”.
@Scott Schleicher Yeah, I get your point. But did you see Hal this split? He was about to give up, and he even said that if it wasn't because of his teammates, he would have given up. You don't see Lou going after Alb that hard, and when things got a little rough, he bailed. There is a thin line between passion and ego, and I just believe Lou is more on the ego side of the line
@@scottschleicher3865 stop moving the goalposts lol, and arguing with strawmen. No one here saying that lou was toxic, is also saying that hal being toxic is good. Being toxic is bad, no matter your name or your skill. Lous toxicity was ruining comms and taking focus away from the game, and after wiping it prevented them from properly discussing what went wrong and how to fix it next time.
Lou vs naughty was the biggest problem for sure. I didn’t like Lous leadership style always bashing on naughty and never took positive criticism. He had a recent clip stating that he always thought he was right in his early days and it still showed this split
Have you ever watched TSM or Dark Zero?? Arguably the Two best Teams in the Game?? Who constantly Blame game and scream at each other 😂Especially Hal?? 😂😂 Lou was a way nicer version of Hal in these clips! Not to mention if you really watched alot of their matches Lou was always being nice and pumping Naughty up!! Taking a few clips from Hundreds of Hours of Games and say thats all it was is a little disingenuous!! Lou said it, He asked Naughty and AL to come into Custom to practice more with him and Doop before and during pro league's... But That didn't happen and thats where Lou's frustration came from!! And give the kid a break, its an intense game and sometimes were in the wrong when we blame someone... Lou usually would go back and admit when he was wrong unlike The CEO Hal!!! They just didn't work out and it sucks because I loved Lou and AL together!!! I like Naughty but he's not on their level!! They should've subbed Doop in!! AL, Lou and Doop would've been Tits together!!
@@stanleyfranks9891 lol, hal and darkzero yell and do that to each other because they play together for years now and each other knows exactly how to follow the calls from their igls, evan for example, now when hal gives a call he knows exactly what to do and learned how to do that the best way with his character, its impossible to compare a team with 2 months and 1 tournament together with two lan winning teams, also Naughty is better than lou on roller, lou probably just switched so its easier for him to focus on fighting and managing the team at the same time
@@stanleyfranks9891 u compare the team that made their debut less than 3 months against the teams that have been together for years. Its not even comparable man, wtf
The real one to feel bad for rn is Alb, he's probs feeling rly down with calling himself the common denonminator. He left a org to play with a team that disbands in like 1-2 months after, a lot of people would chase the bag and not give it up because it's stable good pay. He left the org in belief of the team and the team just falls apart and he's just struggling here with his controller fragger/igl just starting to have beef with each other(or at least on the surface here we don't know the BTS). A large part of the team's problem is just bad reads/ways of playing the ring like stated but the problems rising with his two other teammates probs put him in a hell like state
Ngl, I'm on Naughtys and Albs side on this one. I know its hard to be a IGL and theres alot of pressure on Lou but you simply can't just put the blame on Naughty and also Alb every single damn time.
This is the 1st time Alb is leaving a team and I felt like he was the only mature party as they split. After watching that clip of them trying to setup and Lou kept getting knocked, trying to get to his deathbox. And Naughty missed the revive by 1 second and Lou got mad at him. The way Alb tried to get them to move past it and kept trying to get them to focus was really commendable. You could tell Alb desperately wanted to make this team work. I also feel bad for Naughty constantly feeling like he can't do anything without criticism
If you are the leader of a group, and you tell them to go up, but 1 of them goes left and the other goes diagonally up. Regardless of whether or not going up is the right choice, if your group isn't doing what you, the defacto leader, wants to be done, how can you be sure what the real problem is? There is no opportunity to realize going up is not the right call, because its not being done properly. Lou does occasionally admit, he makes mistakes like throws bad utility when Mac brings it up, so he is at least a bit self aware. But I do agree that Lou is the main problem of the group. He wants to be in control of everything, so the slightest deviation in micro, stands out as a problem which is shown by his lack of trust in Naughty and Mac's calls, whenever they make any.
My heart aches for each of them. Individually they're all so talented and their stories inspiring. I hope Alb and Naughty bounce back from this and I hope Lou finds a team that fits him better.
JHawk, a point to add in the "Naughty vs Lou" perspective, it's important to note that Lou said that he often got angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty was hyper-fixating on the wrong things. While Lou put hours in every day on his macro, zones, and team building, he got annoyed that Naughty was spending that time in ranked, working on his aim. He knew that Naughty could shoot straight, and the possible 1/4th of a bullet extra per magazine wouldn't make a difference. Therefore, he was more susceptible to getting angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty had all the time in the world to fix his macro problems, but instead focused on playing ranked to improve his aim, sometimes even at the cost of focus during PL due to a bad sleep schedule.
Macro is determined by the igl/coach, so this doesnt really make sense. Naughty, as the roller fragger, is basically only supposed to shoot his gun. So getting his aim perfected is the only goal he really has. Not prioritizing his sleep schedule for pro league is an issue though.
@@aaronboothe1842 Not macro, I think they meant to say game sense or situational awareness. Which is the ability to think about what to do in the current situation without the need to be micro-ed.
@@aaronboothe1842 That is not true at all. Most teams in NA and other regions split their macro-duties between the members of the team. On OpTic you got literally all 3 players figuring out their macro together, same goes for XSET (2 incredibly successful teams). Just to name 2 examples, there are more tho. IGL-ing doesn't mean you do all the macro work for their team + microing them when needed to. That's just what some of the most authoritarian IGLs in the scene tend to do (like Sweet or Zer0), but it's definitely not what Lou had in mind when he started teaming with Alb and Naughty.
@@aaronboothe1842 If that's the case then Naughty needs to be johnny on the spot when Lou calls.. Right.. if Naughty isn't aware of the macro and needs to be micro'd by Lou.. then when Lou says.. Take height, play the 2v2, ress.. he needs to do those things and be hanging off Lou's words.. hearing him trying to micro Lou calling for a seer alt rather than taking the head glitch made me want to vomit.
This shows that communication is so important in these high level games. Everyone is so good at this game but this game doesn't reward good technical plays but teamwork. Every part is integral is important. The brain tells the legs to move and if one leg moves even a slightly different direction the whole body will trip and fall
Yeah... I honestly cant say that I can remain a Lou fan. His holier than thou and condescending attitude really rubs me the wrong way. He lacks accountability as it was always naughty's fault.
feeling really bad for naughty regardless whoever's fault is it, he dint deserve this much humiliation and blaming. i can relate myself with lou not for skills obvious , about blaming teammate always for everything and dragging the topic for long and making toxic atmosphere. since i stopped doing it i can see my teammates are playing much better.
Idk man. Lou just isnt the igl he thinks he is. He made bad calls but performed well. Then he nit-picks all of naughtys mistakes all the time to pint the blame on someone else. Say what you want about Hal and Sweet but they generally put there teams in better positions and listen to there teamates. Lou just degrades people
what a wild team yet makes a ton of sense why it failed assuming from this. Naughty can do no right to the point where he is overthinking and making dumb decisions and feels like a child stuck between 2 fighting parents. Alb is lost between I can IGL under panic and toss my igl experience in vs sitting back and fragging giving immediate self updates when needed. Lou simply wants to IGL and be the leader and has a high demand of those around him to be the best. Sounds like im giving Lou the slide but no, that comes with a couple negatives. One, and this is the only thing I want to bring from past teams with these players, Lou was admittedly cut for lack of drive to play the game. He lack of drive to spend the hours it takes to be the best player and teammate you can be. He has a history of not being the one "showing up for customs". Therefore, from the fun joking side of Sentinels Lou and his previous on and off motivation to really win LAN, it becomes a problem switching gears to this micro-managing high work ethic IGL team leader and then expect these players will follow suit. On top of that, lets be honest, Lou has great moments as IGL from CLG to SEN to LAN, but he needs a ton of work and this video did a great job showing just this team's IGL mistakes. From SEN to CLG Lou has made plenty of mistakes and really needs alot more practice and coaching to get there. I think he also has to learn how to manage his team better. It needs to be a heavy work ethic and discipline team, focused in games at all times. They have to listen to Lou without 2nd thought. Lou cannot get better at IGL with another IGL making his own decisions at the same time. If the QB wants to call the play, the Head Coach wants to call the play, the OC wants to call the play, the receiver has a thought.. you have no offense or identity at all. You choose different weird comps, rotate differently, loot differently, react differently, its just a waste of time. All that to say, this team could of grown and this is pretty usual discomfort this early in the team's existence. Sadly, Lou felt his teammates did not have the drive to win he did, I think that lack of Customs work gave him a bad gut feeling before it mattered in ALGS. He then made the decision to end it and here we are. It is a shame. Naughty needs a better defined leader and to listen blindly. Alb needs to pick a side of IGL and train to be that side. Lou to continue as IGL has to learn to be a leader and needs 2 people around him that will work to his level. Everyone knows Michael Jordan's teammates didnt care for him that much, but he made sure they worked as hard as he did and did their job. After that, his job was to finish it, finish the win. Lou needs those teammates IF this Lou is here to stay. Nothing will annoy me more than seeing Lou fall back into half assing his day job right after leaving a team because they essentially half assed cared off stream to grind (according to Lou not verbatim). Naughty will be fine, this team dynamic was not for him. Alb has to figure out his identity at some point on a team. He is too dam smart and good at the game to struggle this much. He has to find that team. Lou, honestly, no clue what he will do. In professional sports, what teams need new coaches? Yea, the bad ones.. thats walking into a problem. Not sure what he does, I would consider being a fragger, maybe work controller more, see if a team takes him to be quiet and listen in game.. just shoot the enemies.
@@E88twenty2 Then he should say that and take responsibility for the actions resulting from his mental health and the loss of his father. Losing someone you love doesn't make it okay to cause other people pain. 💯
@@tiddle51 It's a long road to get to that point. Losing a loved one is an everlasting sort of pain, it won't ever go away for the rest of your life. It's something you need to learn to manage though, you are absolutely correct about that.
The what if on this team's potential is probably gonna haunt the league for a while this team could be top ten in the world if they got it together but guess we'll never know :(
Alb was never my favorite, ever since he left TSM and let his ego play the game. However, with that said, even I realize that he tried. He shattered his ego which was getting in the way and fixed all the bad habits that he had previously picked up. Naughty is someone I never found to have a bad side, though this comes from someone who has not followed him enough and only from the sidelines. While all of them had problems, Lou, probably one my favorite player in the entire game had the biggest issues here. Aside from the rest is the mental strain he caused at his own teammates while arguably he was half the reason for their failure if not more, this is not how you IGL at all.
Feel bad for Alb. Hes trying to keep a level head on Rampart, which at a high level requires ridiculous micro-management, whilst Lou blames his team even though he isnt listening and Naughty plays like a player who peaked at Plat div 3 and is deaf
lou is the problem thats it not on mac not on naughty he is not a good igl and have big ego issues, when he was on lanimals, all game almost all game he died first without any awareness and blame someone else. dude after failing to use your own ultimate, you can't ask anyone why you don't carry a grenade so cringeeee and btw you never talked about doop but whenever lou blamed naughty he always took lou's side(missed alex so much coldjyn
honestly they did well with what little time they had. Im glad to see that alb was so mature on this team compared to previously seriously do hope he and the others find success in the future
Mr. JHawk, is there any possibility you will make a video on the upcoming LAN competitors of the APAC regions? Teams like GO and FUN123 were really fun to watch this split and I would love for your brain to dissect them. (If you need a Korean translator, hit me up)
I will be making a video about each region that gives a brief overview of each qualified team. So both APAC regions will be getting one! Shoot me a DM on Twitter if you have any insight that you think could be helpful as I am not very familiar with APAC N like I am NA or EMEA
@@AyeJHawk I will do! ^^ I think the way they address each other in Korean is very telling of their hierarchy and their relationship so for sure I think it plays a role into their success
@yaizamuor9743 I don't know if hierarchy is the right word for it. They are all pretty close now and it's pretty clear they respect each other as friends and competitors
@@헤이-q7s i would still say they have a hierarchy tho maybe that is my western tainted way of seeing it… I have been learning Korean for the past 6 years and I find fascinating the amount of social and cultural rules you can find in the way people address each other (correct me pls if I am wrong)
unpopular opinion but seems like a mismatch of personalities. i really wanted the team to work out but sometimes you can't force chemistry and seems like they are better off with diff folk. alb/naughty worked SO well with graceful the other lan
I think alb and naughty could have done less talking and more gunning. Just stfu. The belittling from Lou is crazy tho. Both have accomplished way more
Tbh mac is having way too much coms for not being an IGL. Just like he was last night in algs scrims with WC. He’s suppose to be listening to igl and not calling out plays. Same sht different team
the main problem is the rotations and i love how you show this so well, I love Lou, but this team didn't work out mainly because of his mentality, both sides have their mistakes, but when you are the IGL you need to know how to deal with your team members better...
I think each players attitudes towards this is reflected pretty well in how they acted after the split: Mac is absolutely heartbroken and taken by surprise; literally crying on stream for 2 hours, naughty gets back on another team to keep grinding and improving then lou and doop just fuck around having shits and giggles drunk streaming and subathons. Like you guys are clearly real torn up about leaving alb and naughty in the dirt huh? Something about those two acting buddy buddy makes me think that doop and lou were just doing their own thing behind the team’s back the whole time.
unless the communication between Lou and Naughty got fixed it would've only gotten worse. Lou would continue to get frustrated and Naughty would keep second guessing his every move. At some point it was just impossible for them to fix it
@@AyeJHawk Naughty needed a little more time to get more loose instead of wanting to get micro managed all the time, i also felt like Lou and Mac treated him like he was 10 and had single digit iq, too bad the team ended before they could actually get on track with each other playstyle
Great video. I do think that mindset is half the battle, especially with so much pressure in that kind of environment. It can make or break a team. It's sad to see how it turned out for LANimals, but hopefully these players (including DOOP), will find teams that mesh well and work out.
Rip my favourite team, Mac's been my favourite pro since TSM, while Lou's skills taught me to jitter aim. Wish they could've figured it out but it is what it is at the end of the day
AL and Lou are my favorite players and I thought they were amazing together!! Lets be honest, Naughty isn't on Lou and AL's Level and I like Naughty!! Imagine if they would've subbed Doop in or Picked Up RamBeau!!
this is so in depth. . . teams need to hire analysts like jhawk. hes seriously pushing the boundaries of team chemistry and comms analysis in comp apex. raven if you see this. . . call this man lol
I’ve been a fan of Lou & Alb for a while but after watching this the amount of respect I grew for Naughty is insane. He was never rude, took accountability, apologized and kept it moving but Lou kept nagging on his mistakes, when in reality most of the clips you see Lou going down first or not listening to the comms his team is giving him as well. Also, some of the rotations & pushes are very questionable from his part. He needs to work on the way he speaks to his teammates or his comp career is over. Alb handled this gracefully, always stayed mature & calm amidst the whole blame game. Hope to see them succeed individually though
I watch Alb a lot, he's an amazing gamer, but it must be so frustrating to play with him as an IGL. Has a hard time listening and often does what HE wants and feels is best. There was a ton of issues on this team, but that certainly one of them... And you can say things like they should have listened to Alb here.. but thats not how it works when you have an IGL making a separate call. You can cry about it after if the IGLs call was shit.. but in the moment, it is the teams job to follow the IGLs calls. I personally wish Alb played with someone like Sweet. He could focus on straight fragging and wouldn't have to make many coms at all. When he feels like his IGL is failing, that is when he starts doing whatever he wants and making separate calls over the IGL. That NEVER helps. Lou vs Naughty was also real bad, clearly.
Ngl apex is crazy with the amount of teams that players just leave mid comp season. It’s actually horrible. It’s not like a true sports team where they’re 20 dudes. You’re 3 people playing with maybe a coach. Getting 3 people on the same page is way easier than getting 20 people on the Same page. Idk, in my opinion you won’t just find success switching teams over and over, you have to develop chemistry through trial and error to become a dominant force.
They're great players. But, they have more flaws. If they're good, they wont be dropped by orgs. That's the painful reality. Lou as igl, should set what comp they need to have consistently. Naughty need to take note of his mistakes. Take useful input, discards negative ones.
Haven't been able to catch them play cuz timezone but seeing them performing decently I felt really good. Sadly they disbanded after getting 14th overall, really thought they could get things going but fuck, love these three.
lou literally admitted he threw trash nades..... so why are you mad at naughty not picking up 1 nade dude seriously absolves himself from any criticism threw a horrible horizon ult and wasted his nades and hes still mad at naughty for SOMETHING lol
Have you ever heard of a guy named "Imperial Hal" ? I like When Hal screaming at his Teammates and belittling them its called "Passion" but when Lou gives some longwinded criticism to Naughty 4-5 Times in Hundreds of Games its Spousal Abuse 😂
@@stanleyfranks9891 Yes i know him and yes i know about his yelling, but its not comparable, Hal does not randomly blame one teammate for nonsense that didnt have shit to do with the outcome. Lou found a scapegoat in naughty, so he were the one to blme for most shit while he was not even at fault.
Iunno, I see what Lou's point is, but ngl from the clips shown he was a horrible igl. You don't fixate on small details when you have more games to play, and also the way he condescended was not only annoying to hear, but think about how that could effect Naughty's confidence. Of course he's second guessing and maybe going against his instincts when the minute something goes wrong, there's blame. Honestly I'd love to see teams do actual team building, be friends outside the game etc, it could do wonders for what is said in the heat of the moment, which could impact future play. These dudes just seem like gamers who dk how to interact with people sometimes.
Naughty is a controller-fragging god! Some of the best comeback clips I've seen in Apex have been from that dude. But the reality is, when it comes to game sense and awareness the dude is kind of braindead... I imagine It must get really frustrating having to micromanage him every second, and even when you tell him a crucial detail about what he needs to do he for some reason doesn't listen or gets overly confused. Lou seems to be somewhat of a perfectionist, and I imagine those types of small issues just made him go insane.
The whole time I’m hearing “naughty” I’m thinking of the girl who people thought was cheating in COD lol her name was like Nadia or something so I yeah that’s what I was going through lol
25:00 I can't hear lou asking him to take high spot in the middle. He just said "focus on the middle" which naughty assume "look at the middle" ( and shot anything at the middle).. Mac also screaming loud and so many bombarment, so I can't hear a thing..
he said "yeah yeah Naughty fly up" but the up got cut in half it sounds like. Certainly could've been more specific but he also pinged in front of him while saying it so put two and two together and there ya go
@@andis9076 the point being that Lou could've at least pinged instead of vaguely saying "fly up" which could totally mean anything at that point in chaos.
Constructive criticism: I got a bit confused when going through problem #1 because I didn't have the basics laid out--i.e., where they normally landed, which POIs they like, etc. The video kind of launched into digging into what went wrong in Regional Finals by talking about the team comp, and I think it would have been nice (if formulaic) to just get those basics out of the way in the very beginning. Or, alternatively, just hint at what is going to go wrong in regional finals before going into problem #2
That’s good feedback. Honestly at first I wasn’t going to include the “change part” of the problem #1 and it was just going to be time. But then I started talking about how they picked up their stride with the comp change and then on my research I saw they changed it again later and just tossed it in there without much thought. I tried to save the POIs for the second problem to make it hit harder but you’re right, I probably should’ve given the usual “foundation” of their stuff first
@@AyeJHawk yeah other people might have different opinions! Just mine. (Killer video by the way. The extended clip of Lanimals in the cart by Frag East was devastating to watch, very well done.) I also imagine that there is a minority of more casual viewers who don't know much about comp and could use the initial grounding in what's going on right off the bat.
not gonna lie, I am sure why Lou left is because he wants to save his reputation, I watched a lot of their matches, Naughty and Mac pops off every now and then, but I never saw lout do it, he is always the one, who dies first commit mistakes a lot. Maybe just maybe he doesn't want people to start realizing that he is the one dragging them down, and he it will hurt his reputation.
He was the mechanically weakest link during Pro-League with them, yes. But after he switched to roller, he was honestly the most consistent looking player on the team, and single-handedly won fights for them during Oversight. It may have been part of why he developed more of an ego at that time, who knows.
Far fetched imo, the match day before regionals he had the most kills by a lot and was IGLing the whole split. He did throw by dying and getting outgunned some times but I doubt he or other pros would say he was a weak link
Lou is a terrible teammate. Hands down why they split up. If it was any other third even half the skill level of Lou, lanimals would’ve performed better.
Come on did anyone really think these three would last? Mac is known for not being able to accept the plan and follow his igl’s calls. The dude tries to be someone he’s not. Naughty’s lack of brain cells leaves him clueless in most games. Naughty is like that rogue child at disney who’s parents are required to keep them on a leash at all times.
The big thing that I saw from this was that Lou as an IGL seemed to need to be in total control but he didn't have the voice to do that like Hal he also didn't seem to respect that fact that Alb as a lot of IGL experience and didn't fully take what he was saying as a true possibility or as something that could be correct. Not saying Lou is a bad IGL or he is blaming others it just appears that for his style of IGLing he doesn't have the perosnality or the overpowering voice to be in total control I think he would be great on a team like fire beavers with there everyone is an IGL but one person takes over towards the late game
Albralelie is smart but his thought process is a bit removed, Zach cannot handle pressure. he yelled at the best player in game which ruined the best esports team ever seen well verhoulst took that and ran with it😂😂😂
For team that came so close to Lan in such a short period of time (Their first run as Lanimals) is impressive despite what other people may say.
Furia is make the LAN in 2 months of playing with HW. I remember when in spring 2022, Furia tweeted: HisWattson is the new member.
@@genuineglimmer yea bc they where a head of meta. His wattson mechanically is the best. But the seer horizon Mets was the main reason they where that good.
except when you look at the players, should of made lan
yea if they were noobs. and weren’t pros whos been playing 24/7 for 3 years :)
@@kensosa7447 for a newly formed team. you have to understand how important chemistry and familiarity with your teammates in comp is. No need to be so negative
That amount of effort in this is fucking insane, huge respect.
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We all know what the C9 roster was like and how Zachmazer treated Naughty. Naughty himself said on stream with Alb that he had a lot of bad habits after teaming with Zachmazer for 2 years and it would take time to break, but he was excited with the changes of his new team going forward. Now Lou was not fully prepared to Micro Naughty throughout PL and so his patience rightfully so ran out. But instead of trying to adapt or make constructive criticisms to make things work, he began harping /hyper focusing on Naughtys mistakes and took his frustrations out on him. So here’s the thing that I’m sure Naughty eventually realized himself. Lou did EXACTLY what his previous IGL just did. In reality nothing changed for Naughty. He traded one Zachmazer for another and that’s why his confidence died out. This team needed to take some accountability and work on their own individual bad habits. They came so close to LAN in the hardest meta possible as a new team when they were probably only a few fixes away from being Top 5 in NA.
I wouldn't say "he traded one Zachmazer in for another", and more so, he "made Lou become another Zachmazer". Cause Naughty proved multiple times throughout the split that he needed to be micro-ed, and refused to improve his overall awareness and macro-knowledge to act as a more independent player.
They need a coach to guide them, 3rd person who can guide them.
@@andis9076 ...they had a coach.
Seems like he would need someone like Sweet 🤔
@@BruceWayne-wh4of Well said. Couldn't said it better myself.
I remember when they first got together officially, and I was so fucking excited, despite seeing the cracks in the armor. Two of my favorite MnK bruisers and Naughty the pocket nuke. Such a shame to them dissolve so quickly.
For real, when they announced it and then also when they added Doop, such a lovable squad man
Cop out explanation at 32:08. No personal accountability on Lou's part. Alb took all the weight on his shoulders to the point of tears, when none of it was on him.
If he added that those results he got after which he stuck aruond were in some way his fault, and not him doling out a favor to the other players, he could've saved it. Instead its revealed in his tweet that he thinks they had different goals when we as the audience know they didn't.
I found myself questioning some of the calls, and had to stop and think about it more and realize this is a high pressure game situation making quick calls for several zones ahead of what I would normally think of in a lobby I could never compete in. They had a hell of a run and it is a shame such a team imploded so quickly
It sucks that Lou and Naughty didn’t give LCQ a chance but I guess we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. Esports comp is ruthless and impatient.
generalizing it to an esports problem isn't the answer, the problem is peoples mentality they take one loss and split up? no competitive drive to make the team better.
it wasn’t just abt the loss it was about making mistakes and not fixing them which is why Lou was so upset and left if I was in his position I would’ve given in some more time but I understand why he left
@@gl0cksw1tch i mean, if he thought naughty had such a problem lou would've demanded they work on things, not act like a little child and wait until oversight is done then, out of the blue decide to leave without actually taking on the challenge of changing his team dynamic.. exactly lou was a baby and bailed on them because he didnt want to work as a team.. exactly what i said
they had the potential to be a tier 1 org, lou just didnt give it his all into creating a dynasty.
@@widegap1169 Bruh, did you not see where Lou said he asked them to put time in customs with him and Doop?? And they didn’t!?!? That totally negates the point you’re trying to make.
I still feel bad for Mac. He left TSM to be with them and show that he was going to fight with this team.
not only that, he also fixed most of his problems (ignore the roller arc). He played so well all split.
dont feel bad for mac at all.. He's not easy to play with.. He was toxic as hell with faze.
@@anthonythomas556 which he recognized his past mistakes and made it known that he wants to change and be better which i think he did fairly well hes working great as a kbm fragger who gives great suggestions as a past igl but still listening to his igl to the best of his ability
lol hes such an idiot. why would you pick an unproven pick up team over TSM roster.
He left his content org so his team would have a better chance of getting signed. So sad, i really wish they stayed together
This split hurt bro
Lou is insanely bipolar. Look at the ridiculous neck tattoo if you want to understand mania.
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you’re a grown azz man dawg
About time, once the IGL starting to blame specifically one of their member for almost anything. Just matter of time, they're gonna split up.
@@kavid8120 there are 60yo dudes that cry when their football teams lose, nothing wrong with getting emotional when something you liked suddenly isn't there anymore
Loved the team but Lou having an easy out with blaming naughty always rubbed me the wrong way. I really hope that naughty can find a team that lifts him up and gives him back the confidence that makes him a great player
props to al for keeping his cool in the midst of all that.
he lost it a few times 😂 Which I loved❤But he was pretty good!
@@stanleyfranks9891 not as much when mazer was around, he definitely changed
@@Zint1Ruto Remember when Mazer, Lou and Monsoon were on a Team? Thats the Team I want Back!!
That scene was literally the Mr Incredible meme and his teammates were still trying to grab armor and peacock around with full loot lmao
Naughty sounds like such a good teammate. Every time he made a mistake and Lou went after him, he looked down and apologized. Not a single drop of ego could be heard in his voice. But Lou, even if he was frustrated, just spoke from the ego. Hope they all earn from this and manage to thrive
I agree with your point about Naughty but to say Lou just spoke from ego?!? Cmon man. People praise Hal for all the shit he says but Lou does it, and not even to the extent that Hal does, and it’s “Lou has an ego”.
@@scottschleicher3865 lou is not hal. not even close lmao
@@PopularJingo- so only Hal can tell people they are doing something wrong?
@Scott Schleicher Yeah, I get your point. But did you see Hal this split? He was about to give up, and he even said that if it wasn't because of his teammates, he would have given up. You don't see Lou going after Alb that hard, and when things got a little rough, he bailed. There is a thin line between passion and ego, and I just believe Lou is more on the ego side of the line
@@scottschleicher3865 stop moving the goalposts lol, and arguing with strawmen. No one here saying that lou was toxic, is also saying that hal being toxic is good. Being toxic is bad, no matter your name or your skill. Lous toxicity was ruining comms and taking focus away from the game, and after wiping it prevented them from properly discussing what went wrong and how to fix it next time.
I was cheering LANimals on so hard. I believed until the bitter end. This whole situation is so disheartening.
same :(
I feel you bro, straight up pain
Lou vs naughty was the biggest problem for sure. I didn’t like Lous leadership style always bashing on naughty and never took positive criticism. He had a recent clip stating that he always thought he was right in his early days and it still showed this split
He’s soft tbh. Bro should’ve played sports growing up
Have you ever watched TSM or Dark Zero?? Arguably the Two best Teams in the Game?? Who constantly Blame game and scream at each other 😂Especially Hal?? 😂😂 Lou was a way nicer version of Hal in these clips! Not to mention if you really watched alot of their matches Lou was always being nice and pumping Naughty up!! Taking a few clips from Hundreds of Hours of Games and say thats all it was is a little disingenuous!! Lou said it, He asked Naughty and AL to come into Custom to practice more with him and Doop before and during pro league's... But That didn't happen and thats where Lou's frustration came from!! And give the kid a break, its an intense game and sometimes were in the wrong when we blame someone... Lou usually would go back and admit when he was wrong unlike The CEO Hal!!! They just didn't work out and it sucks because I loved Lou and AL together!!! I like Naughty but he's not on their level!! They should've subbed Doop in!! AL, Lou and Doop would've been Tits together!!
@@stanleyfranks9891 a team without roller is bad idea these days sir...
@@stanleyfranks9891 lol, hal and darkzero yell and do that to each other because they play together for years now and each other knows exactly how to follow the calls from their igls, evan for example, now when hal gives a call he knows exactly what to do and learned how to do that the best way with his character, its impossible to compare a team with 2 months and 1 tournament together with two lan winning teams, also Naughty is better than lou on roller, lou probably just switched so its easier for him to focus on fighting and managing the team at the same time
@@stanleyfranks9891 u compare the team that made their debut less than 3 months against the teams that have been together for years. Its not even comparable man, wtf
The real one to feel bad for rn is Alb, he's probs feeling rly down with calling himself the common denonminator. He left a org to play with a team that disbands in like 1-2 months after, a lot of people would chase the bag and not give it up because it's stable good pay. He left the org in belief of the team and the team just falls apart and he's just struggling here with his controller fragger/igl just starting to have beef with each other(or at least on the surface here we don't know the BTS). A large part of the team's problem is just bad reads/ways of playing the ring like stated but the problems rising with his two other teammates probs put him in a hell like state
Ngl, I'm on Naughtys and Albs side on this one. I know its hard to be a IGL and theres alot of pressure on Lou but you simply can't just put the blame on Naughty and also Alb every single damn time.
This is the 1st time Alb is leaving a team and I felt like he was the only mature party as they split. After watching that clip of them trying to setup and Lou kept getting knocked, trying to get to his deathbox. And Naughty missed the revive by 1 second and Lou got mad at him. The way Alb tried to get them to move past it and kept trying to get them to focus was really commendable. You could tell Alb desperately wanted to make this team work. I also feel bad for Naughty constantly feeling like he can't do anything without criticism
If you are the leader of a group, and you tell them to go up, but 1 of them goes left and the other goes diagonally up. Regardless of whether or not going up is the right choice, if your group isn't doing what you, the defacto leader, wants to be done, how can you be sure what the real problem is? There is no opportunity to realize going up is not the right call, because its not being done properly.
Lou does occasionally admit, he makes mistakes like throws bad utility when Mac brings it up, so he is at least a bit self aware. But I do agree that Lou is the main problem of the group. He wants to be in control of everything, so the slightest deviation in micro, stands out as a problem which is shown by his lack of trust in Naughty and Mac's calls, whenever they make any.
When Mac screams "FIGHT BRO, FIGHT!!" gets me hyped every time
My heart aches for each of them. Individually they're all so talented and their stories inspiring.
I hope Alb and Naughty bounce back from this and I hope Lou finds a team that fits him better.
Agreed on everything. I truly hope a year from now I'm making videos on how each of them were dominating on LAN
Does Alb and Naughty stays together?
I hope Lou retires from comp apex, he's really talented but he cant keep doing this to people.
@@Aaronxxi true man. I really like Lou tho, he's the first apex streamer i ever watch but i don't think he could fit for any teams.
@@cactusman0403 no man, Alb messaged naughty the morning lou tweeted he was leaving and naughty just said he was going to look for a team on his own.
I feel for Naughty, he rarely did anything wrong. Lou fucks up a billion times then shouts at him. Insecure man child Lou, ffs
Lou still making excuses, 4 years later - he's so overrated, never achieved anything in the game.
Damn it Jhawk I JUST forgot for a moment they split up and now I'm sad again.....Love your videos man!
:(
JHawk, a point to add in the "Naughty vs Lou" perspective, it's important to note that Lou said that he often got angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty was hyper-fixating on the wrong things. While Lou put hours in every day on his macro, zones, and team building, he got annoyed that Naughty was spending that time in ranked, working on his aim. He knew that Naughty could shoot straight, and the possible 1/4th of a bullet extra per magazine wouldn't make a difference. Therefore, he was more susceptible to getting angry at Naughty because he felt that Naughty had all the time in the world to fix his macro problems, but instead focused on playing ranked to improve his aim, sometimes even at the cost of focus during PL due to a bad sleep schedule.
Macro is determined by the igl/coach, so this doesnt really make sense. Naughty, as the roller fragger, is basically only supposed to shoot his gun. So getting his aim perfected is the only goal he really has. Not prioritizing his sleep schedule for pro league is an issue though.
@@aaronboothe1842 being an igl doesnt mean he should be micro managing do you see verhulst getting micro managed by hal
@@aaronboothe1842 Not macro, I think they meant to say game sense or situational awareness. Which is the ability to think about what to do in the current situation without the need to be micro-ed.
@@aaronboothe1842 That is not true at all. Most teams in NA and other regions split their macro-duties between the members of the team. On OpTic you got literally all 3 players figuring out their macro together, same goes for XSET (2 incredibly successful teams). Just to name 2 examples, there are more tho. IGL-ing doesn't mean you do all the macro work for their team + microing them when needed to. That's just what some of the most authoritarian IGLs in the scene tend to do (like Sweet or Zer0), but it's definitely not what Lou had in mind when he started teaming with Alb and Naughty.
@@aaronboothe1842 If that's the case then Naughty needs to be johnny on the spot when Lou calls.. Right.. if Naughty isn't aware of the macro and needs to be micro'd by Lou.. then when Lou says.. Take height, play the 2v2, ress.. he needs to do those things and be hanging off Lou's words.. hearing him trying to micro Lou calling for a seer alt rather than taking the head glitch made me want to vomit.
This shows that communication is so important in these high level games. Everyone is so good at this game but this game doesn't reward good technical plays but teamwork. Every part is integral is important. The brain tells the legs to move and if one leg moves even a slightly different direction the whole body will trip and fall
Then you start beating up the leg, then you fall even harder.
As a long time fan of alb i was really hoping for this team to do well. Hope he can find a consistent team soon and get back on his feet
Same
yoo jumba!! love your stuff
@@kittyratrawr 🫡❤️
Yeah... I honestly cant say that I can remain a Lou fan. His holier than thou and condescending attitude really rubs me the wrong way. He lacks accountability as it was always naughty's fault.
Always happy with some analytical Apex videos. We need this in the community.
feeling really bad for naughty regardless whoever's fault is it, he dint deserve this much humiliation and blaming.
i can relate myself with lou not for skills obvious , about blaming teammate always for everything and dragging the topic for long and making toxic atmosphere. since i stopped doing it i can see my teammates are playing much better.
Idk man. Lou just isnt the igl he thinks he is. He made bad calls but performed well. Then he nit-picks all of naughtys mistakes all the time to pint the blame on someone else. Say what you want about Hal and Sweet but they generally put there teams in better positions and listen to there teamates. Lou just degrades people
Another banger as per usual. Common JHawk W.
it's only been out for five minutes...? and you commented 5 minutes ago..
what a wild team yet makes a ton of sense why it failed assuming from this. Naughty can do no right to the point where he is overthinking and making dumb decisions and feels like a child stuck between 2 fighting parents. Alb is lost between I can IGL under panic and toss my igl experience in vs sitting back and fragging giving immediate self updates when needed. Lou simply wants to IGL and be the leader and has a high demand of those around him to be the best. Sounds like im giving Lou the slide but no, that comes with a couple negatives. One, and this is the only thing I want to bring from past teams with these players, Lou was admittedly cut for lack of drive to play the game. He lack of drive to spend the hours it takes to be the best player and teammate you can be. He has a history of not being the one "showing up for customs". Therefore, from the fun joking side of Sentinels Lou and his previous on and off motivation to really win LAN, it becomes a problem switching gears to this micro-managing high work ethic IGL team leader and then expect these players will follow suit. On top of that, lets be honest, Lou has great moments as IGL from CLG to SEN to LAN, but he needs a ton of work and this video did a great job showing just this team's IGL mistakes. From SEN to CLG Lou has made plenty of mistakes and really needs alot more practice and coaching to get there. I think he also has to learn how to manage his team better. It needs to be a heavy work ethic and discipline team, focused in games at all times. They have to listen to Lou without 2nd thought. Lou cannot get better at IGL with another IGL making his own decisions at the same time. If the QB wants to call the play, the Head Coach wants to call the play, the OC wants to call the play, the receiver has a thought.. you have no offense or identity at all. You choose different weird comps, rotate differently, loot differently, react differently, its just a waste of time.
All that to say, this team could of grown and this is pretty usual discomfort this early in the team's existence. Sadly, Lou felt his teammates did not have the drive to win he did, I think that lack of Customs work gave him a bad gut feeling before it mattered in ALGS. He then made the decision to end it and here we are. It is a shame. Naughty needs a better defined leader and to listen blindly. Alb needs to pick a side of IGL and train to be that side. Lou to continue as IGL has to learn to be a leader and needs 2 people around him that will work to his level. Everyone knows Michael Jordan's teammates didnt care for him that much, but he made sure they worked as hard as he did and did their job. After that, his job was to finish it, finish the win. Lou needs those teammates IF this Lou is here to stay. Nothing will annoy me more than seeing Lou fall back into half assing his day job right after leaving a team because they essentially half assed cared off stream to grind (according to Lou not verbatim).
Naughty will be fine, this team dynamic was not for him. Alb has to figure out his identity at some point on a team. He is too dam smart and good at the game to struggle this much. He has to find that team. Lou, honestly, no clue what he will do. In professional sports, what teams need new coaches? Yea, the bad ones.. thats walking into a problem. Not sure what he does, I would consider being a fragger, maybe work controller more, see if a team takes him to be quiet and listen in game.. just shoot the enemies.
Lou is a man baby. The end.
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Hate Lou
No, he's making impulsive decisions because he lost his father in a car crash not too long ago. He's not in a good mental space
@@E88twenty2 Then he should say that and take responsibility for the actions resulting from his mental health and the loss of his father. Losing someone you love doesn't make it okay to cause other people pain. 💯
@@tiddle51 It's a long road to get to that point. Losing a loved one is an everlasting sort of pain, it won't ever go away for the rest of your life. It's something you need to learn to manage though, you are absolutely correct about that.
So sad for Mac and Naughty. Hope they land on their feet. This Team really had potential imo
The what if on this team's potential is probably gonna haunt the league for a while this team could be top ten in the world if they got it together but guess we'll never know :(
No way there was a segment called (nail in the coffin) and we didn’t talk about them getting 3-0’d off spawn against TriPods
the pods better take this as an act of disrespect and use it as motivation to win LCQ in order to force me to make a video about how they did it
I’m pro Lou slander
Lou was a cancer to this squad, if his ego wasn’t always on 10,000 they’d of qualified for LAN. Was severely underwhelmed with his performances.
Alb was never my favorite, ever since he left TSM and let his ego play the game. However, with that said, even I realize that he tried.
He shattered his ego which was getting in the way and fixed all the bad habits that he had previously picked up.
Naughty is someone I never found to have a bad side, though this comes from someone who has not followed him enough and only from the sidelines.
While all of them had problems, Lou, probably one my favorite player in the entire game had the biggest issues here. Aside from the rest is the mental strain he caused at his own teammates while arguably he was half the reason for their failure if not more, this is not how you IGL at all.
Feel bad for Alb. Hes trying to keep a level head on Rampart, which at a high level requires ridiculous micro-management, whilst Lou blames his team even though he isnt listening and Naughty plays like a player who peaked at Plat div 3 and is deaf
lou is the problem thats it not on mac not on naughty he is not a good igl and have big ego issues, when he was on lanimals, all game almost all game he died first without any awareness and blame someone else. dude after failing to use your own ultimate, you can't ask anyone why you don't carry a grenade so cringeeee and btw you never talked about doop but whenever lou blamed naughty he always took lou's side(missed alex so much coldjyn
The "FIGHT BRO FIGHT" at 1:08 was inspirational af man. It was just just a game, but I'm hitting some prs in the gym with this.
Lou proved all my assumptions right. He lacks conviction and is nothing but a quitter.
Lou is being unreasonable and he hasn’t done anything special to have done that to mac. Mac has way more accolades than Lou.
honestly they did well with what little time they had. Im glad to see that alb was so mature on this team compared to previously seriously do hope he and the others find success in the future
I believed in Lanimals so much
same
We need a tripods video J !!!!🫶🏾
love the breakdowns dude keep it up
thanks ghost :)
@@AyeJHawk have you been asked to be a coach yet or what? lmao
Mr. JHawk, is there any possibility you will make a video on the upcoming LAN competitors of the APAC regions?
Teams like GO and FUN123 were really fun to watch this split and I would love for your brain to dissect them. (If you need a Korean translator, hit me up)
I will be making a video about each region that gives a brief overview of each qualified team. So both APAC regions will be getting one! Shoot me a DM on Twitter if you have any insight that you think could be helpful as I am not very familiar with APAC N like I am NA or EMEA
@@AyeJHawk I will do! ^^ I think the way they address each other in Korean is very telling of their hierarchy and their relationship so for sure I think it plays a role into their success
@yaizamuor9743 I don't know if hierarchy is the right word for it. They are all pretty close now and it's pretty clear they respect each other as friends and competitors
@@헤이-q7s i would still say they have a hierarchy tho maybe that is my western tainted way of seeing it… I have been learning Korean for the past 6 years and I find fascinating the amount of social and cultural rules you can find in the way people address each other (correct me pls if I am wrong)
@@wooziwrldd do u mean when they say hyung and stuff? That's just cause of age really
unpopular opinion but seems like a mismatch of personalities. i really wanted the team to work out but sometimes you can't force chemistry and seems like they are better off with diff folk. alb/naughty worked SO well with graceful the other lan
Alba one of the most talented player. I hope he'll found a new team.
Great video, LANimals was a good project.
Lou should be working the checkout at hot topic........
I think alb and naughty could have done less talking and more gunning. Just stfu. The belittling from Lou is crazy tho. Both have accomplished way more
If this mild criticism toward Naughty broke him imagine him playing with Hal 😂
Lou is a man baby. Blaming everyone but himself
Tbh mac is having way too much coms for not being an IGL. Just like he was last night in algs scrims with WC. He’s suppose to be listening to igl and not calling out plays. Same sht different team
I would disagree I think he had a healthy balance on LANimals. Sure he isnt perfect but I think he cleaned it up quite a bit
the main problem is the rotations and i love how you show this so well, I love Lou, but this team didn't work out mainly because of his mentality,
both sides have their mistakes, but when you are the IGL you need to know how to deal with your team members better...
I think each players attitudes towards this is reflected pretty well in how they acted after the split: Mac is absolutely heartbroken and taken by surprise; literally crying on stream for 2 hours, naughty gets back on another team to keep grinding and improving then lou and doop just fuck around having shits and giggles drunk streaming and subathons. Like you guys are clearly real torn up about leaving alb and naughty in the dirt huh? Something about those two acting buddy buddy makes me think that doop and lou were just doing their own thing behind the team’s back the whole time.
RIP LAN, best of luck to Lou, Naughty, and Mac
unless the communication between Lou and Naughty got fixed it would've only gotten worse. Lou would continue to get frustrated and Naughty would keep second guessing his every move. At some point it was just impossible for them to fix it
@@AyeJHawk yeah, I def see that now, I I was too quick to judge Lou.
@@AyeJHawk Naughty needed a little more time to get more loose instead of wanting to get micro managed all the time, i also felt like Lou and Mac treated him like he was 10 and had single digit iq, too bad the team ended before they could actually get on track with each other playstyle
Imagine naming yourself Lanimals and then proceeding to not make LAN. Embarrasing.
L A N - Lou Alb Naughty
Thabk you!! For bringing that third point up! Naughty got blamed wayyyyy to much. Sad split hope they all find homes in the future.
All of Alb’s teams have the same issue. Chaos with strats and legend comp. The dude cannot stick to anything for more than 5 days.
You have to be a very special person, like truly special, to blame Alb even after watching the video.
I don't even play this game but great content
Great video. I do think that mindset is half the battle, especially with so much pressure in that kind of environment. It can make or break a team. It's sad to see how it turned out for LANimals, but hopefully these players (including DOOP), will find teams that mesh well and work out.
J Hawk is really the goat let’s be honest… S-Tier Apex PL content, nobody does it better, keep it up!!
Aww i wanted to see Tripods smack em at Cenote...
Who's here after Lou went and cried on Hal's stream 😂😂😂😂
Rip my favourite team, Mac's been my favourite pro since TSM, while Lou's skills taught me to jitter aim. Wish they could've figured it out but it is what it is at the end of the day
AL and Lou are my favorite players and I thought they were amazing together!! Lets be honest, Naughty isn't on Lou and AL's Level and I like Naughty!! Imagine if they would've subbed Doop in or Picked Up RamBeau!!
this is so in depth. . . teams need to hire analysts like jhawk. hes seriously pushing the boundaries of team chemistry and comms analysis in comp apex. raven if you see this. . . call this man lol
I've benn watching a lot of scrims lately and realized we NEED an Alliance video, btw great stuff as always
Now they all goimg to BLGS in different bannner. So much storyline in this coming lan.
I’ve been a fan of Lou & Alb for a while but after watching this the amount of respect I grew for Naughty is insane. He was never rude, took accountability, apologized and kept it moving but Lou kept nagging on his mistakes, when in reality most of the clips you see Lou going down first or not listening to the comms his team is giving him as well. Also, some of the rotations & pushes are very questionable from his part. He needs to work on the way he speaks to his teammates or his comp career is over. Alb handled this gracefully, always stayed mature & calm amidst the whole blame game. Hope to see them succeed individually though
I watch Alb a lot, he's an amazing gamer, but it must be so frustrating to play with him as an IGL. Has a hard time listening and often does what HE wants and feels is best. There was a ton of issues on this team, but that certainly one of them... And you can say things like they should have listened to Alb here.. but thats not how it works when you have an IGL making a separate call. You can cry about it after if the IGLs call was shit.. but in the moment, it is the teams job to follow the IGLs calls. I personally wish Alb played with someone like Sweet. He could focus on straight fragging and wouldn't have to make many coms at all. When he feels like his IGL is failing, that is when he starts doing whatever he wants and making separate calls over the IGL. That NEVER helps.
Lou vs Naughty was also real bad, clearly.
Ngl apex is crazy with the amount of teams that players just leave mid comp season. It’s actually horrible. It’s not like a true sports team where they’re 20 dudes. You’re 3 people playing with maybe a coach. Getting 3 people on the same page is way easier than getting 20 people on the Same page. Idk, in my opinion you won’t just find success switching teams over and over, you have to develop chemistry through trial and error to become a dominant force.
They're great players. But, they have more flaws. If they're good, they wont be dropped by orgs. That's the painful reality. Lou as igl, should set what comp they need to have consistently. Naughty need to take note of his mistakes. Take useful input, discards negative ones.
the first clip is so fucking hype "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT"
Haven't been able to catch them play cuz timezone but seeing them performing decently I felt really good. Sadly they disbanded after getting 14th overall, really thought they could get things going but fuck, love these three.
LAN being allowed straight into ALGS was scuffed from the start
lou literally admitted he threw trash nades..... so why are you mad at naughty not picking up 1 nade
dude seriously absolves himself from any criticism
threw a horrible horizon ult and wasted his nades
and hes still mad at naughty for SOMETHING lol
Lou acts like a spoiled kid that wants everything immediately... sad to see Alb got betrayed like this
Have you ever heard of a guy named "Imperial Hal" ? I like When Hal screaming at his Teammates and belittling them its called "Passion" but when Lou gives some longwinded criticism to Naughty 4-5 Times in Hundreds of Games its Spousal Abuse 😂
@@stanleyfranks9891 Yes i know him and yes i know about his yelling, but its not comparable, Hal does not randomly blame one teammate for nonsense that didnt have shit to do with the outcome. Lou found a scapegoat in naughty, so he were the one to blme for most shit while he was not even at fault.
@@loledssdafd3429 Again, You've obviously never watched TSM very much 😂 Thats literally all Hal does is blame others for his mistakes!!
@@stanleyfranks9891 Again, i did and no its not comparable
man, i feel sad for naughty.
How's this tragic?
3 great players. 2 happen to be notoriously flaky.. the other, disrespected... 1 flake pulled the trigger before the other.
Iunno, I see what Lou's point is, but ngl from the clips shown he was a horrible igl. You don't fixate on small details when you have more games to play, and also the way he condescended was not only annoying to hear, but think about how that could effect Naughty's confidence. Of course he's second guessing and maybe going against his instincts when the minute something goes wrong, there's blame. Honestly I'd love to see teams do actual team building, be friends outside the game etc, it could do wonders for what is said in the heat of the moment, which could impact future play. These dudes just seem like gamers who dk how to interact with people sometimes.
Naughty is a controller-fragging god! Some of the best comeback clips I've seen in Apex have been from that dude. But the reality is, when it comes to game sense and awareness the dude is kind of braindead... I imagine It must get really frustrating having to micromanage him every second, and even when you tell him a crucial detail about what he needs to do he for some reason doesn't listen or gets overly confused. Lou seems to be somewhat of a perfectionist, and I imagine those types of small issues just made him go insane.
I was watching the boys exclusively throu the split and this shit hurts like a breakup, thank you for the clarification J
The whole time I’m hearing “naughty” I’m thinking of the girl who people thought was cheating in COD lol her name was like Nadia or something so I yeah that’s what I was going through lol
Which brings us to problem 3.5, naughty is on adderal, he can't not talk and jibber jabber useless comms.😶
Imagine blaming a map lol. Like your the only team on that map. All teams have the disadvantage. They just suck at the map PERIOD
25:00 I can't hear lou asking him to take high spot in the middle.
He just said "focus on the middle" which naughty assume "look at the middle" ( and shot anything at the middle)..
Mac also screaming loud and so many bombarment, so I can't hear a thing..
he said "yeah yeah Naughty fly up" but the up got cut in half it sounds like. Certainly could've been more specific but he also pinged in front of him while saying it so put two and two together and there ya go
@@AyeJHawk And Naughty was up just not on the spot that Lou was talking about. I didn't see any pings yet Naughty was getting blamed for this.
@@Beast_KT Head glitch is exposed from multiple angles, I don't think he can stand there without being shot from far away.
@@andis9076 the point being that Lou could've at least pinged instead of vaguely saying "fly up" which could totally mean anything at that point in chaos.
Your videos are so damn good
Thanks Benfica :)
Constructive criticism: I got a bit confused when going through problem #1 because I didn't have the basics laid out--i.e., where they normally landed, which POIs they like, etc. The video kind of launched into digging into what went wrong in Regional Finals by talking about the team comp, and I think it would have been nice (if formulaic) to just get those basics out of the way in the very beginning. Or, alternatively, just hint at what is going to go wrong in regional finals before going into problem #2
That’s good feedback. Honestly at first I wasn’t going to include the “change part” of the problem #1 and it was just going to be time. But then I started talking about how they picked up their stride with the comp change and then on my research I saw they changed it again later and just tossed it in there without much thought. I tried to save the POIs for the second problem to make it hit harder but you’re right, I probably should’ve given the usual “foundation” of their stuff first
@@AyeJHawk yeah other people might have different opinions! Just mine. (Killer video by the way. The extended clip of Lanimals in the cart by Frag East was devastating to watch, very well done.)
I also imagine that there is a minority of more casual viewers who don't know much about comp and could use the initial grounding in what's going on right off the bat.
not gonna lie, I am sure why Lou left is because he wants to save his reputation, I watched a lot of their matches, Naughty and Mac pops off every now and then, but I never saw lout do it, he is always the one, who dies first commit mistakes a lot. Maybe just maybe he doesn't want people to start realizing that he is the one dragging them down, and he it will hurt his reputation.
Are You kidding? Lou was IGl'ing and getting the most Kill if it wasn't AL!!
He was the mechanically weakest link during Pro-League with them, yes. But after he switched to roller, he was honestly the most consistent looking player on the team, and single-handedly won fights for them during Oversight. It may have been part of why he developed more of an ego at that time, who knows.
Far fetched imo, the match day before regionals he had the most kills by a lot and was IGLing the whole split. He did throw by dying and getting outgunned some times but I doubt he or other pros would say he was a weak link
Lou is a terrible teammate. Hands down why they split up. If it was any other third even half the skill level of Lou, lanimals would’ve performed better.
Great channel! The Music the dramatic scenes and good Story summary
Come on did anyone really think these three would last? Mac is known for not being able to accept the plan and follow his igl’s calls. The dude tries to be someone he’s not. Naughty’s lack of brain cells leaves him clueless in most games. Naughty is like that rogue child at disney who’s parents are required to keep them on a leash at all times.
Lowkey lost some respect for Lou and just feel bad for Alb and Naughty rip Lanimals
Sweet is the only IGL who could maximize how good Naughty could be
hal can as well I promise you
Was praying on their downfall from the start. 😂😭😭. Man I’ve never been so content
What went wrong? Lou went wrong. Sure everyone could have done something differently. But the main issue was Lou
This guy gona be coach for pro team you mark my word.
The big thing that I saw from this was that Lou as an IGL seemed to need to be in total control but he didn't have the voice to do that like Hal he also didn't seem to respect that fact that Alb as a lot of IGL experience and didn't fully take what he was saying as a true possibility or as something that could be correct. Not saying Lou is a bad IGL or he is blaming others it just appears that for his style of IGLing he doesn't have the perosnality or the overpowering voice to be in total control I think he would be great on a team like fire beavers with there everyone is an IGL but one person takes over towards the late game
To many moustaches
Albralelie is smart but his thought process is a bit removed, Zach cannot handle pressure. he yelled at the best player in game which ruined the best esports team ever seen well verhoulst took that and ran with it😂😂😂