How I Lost a 7bn ISK MAMBA!! || EVE Online
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[Mamba, T1-2 Mamba]
'Deuce' Co-Processor I
C3-X 'Hivaa Saitsuo' Ballistic Control System
Compact Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster
Copasetic Compact Shield Boost Amplifier
1MN Afterburner II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer I
Small EM Shield Reinforcer I
Warrior II x2
Hobgoblin II x2
Inferno Fury Light Missile x5000
Navy Cap Booster 50 x80
Inferno Precision Light Missile x5000
Calm Firestorm Filament x6
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@CptBenzie
Some historical content hère: first mamba ever lost in pve
I will wear that as a badge of pride! My corp will tell you, when I first undocked it, I announced it as "Right folks, I'm off to lose my Mamba" 😂
That was the point. Try it. See how it goes. Learn and present my findings 😊
4 ways you could have survived the final room :
- Learn you priorities. The anchoring damavik was the most harmless one (it scrams, and you have an AB).
- Don't split your damages. Trigs have strong remote reps (especially harrowing) that you need to overcome.
- OVERHEAT :
- Overheat your hardener early. It causes very little heat and increases the EHP gain of the shield booster by a significant amount, saving precious charges.
- Overheat your shield booster. You have a limited amount of charges anyways, you might as well increase the amount of HP each one gives.
- Try to break spool. The vedmak can only hit you within 22km. It chases you quickly, but slows down to orbit you, which gives you a chance to reset its damage multiplier. Overheat AB if needed.
Excellent tips!
crack i was thinking same if he is going to loose the ship why he is not overheating shits up lol good one
Another tip for your abyssals: orbit the battleship much closer. The abyssal battleship npcs have plenty of range but their tracking is awful. A tighter orbit increases your transversal, so orbit at like 3k instead of 35k. The old analogy for understanding this is that the battleship is one of those circle rotating sprinklers and you're trying not to get wet, but you have to run to stay dry at the edge of its range vs a casual walk near the base.
Curve into a close orbit and then those battleships wouldn't even hit you in a cruiser. You'll regain shields till it dies instead of taking occaisional huge hits
Oh yeah, I know how orbital angular velocities work, but a good tip. I figured range also helped with falloff etc
@@captainbenzie ah gotcha, but based on the footage and my own experience Id say whatever you gain in mitigation from possibly leaving optimal is being overshadowed by the increased ability to track you. I sometimes take a hit moving in but once Ive got a tight orbit on those battleships they're nothing more than a dps check.
here's a non-scuffed fit. If you use a CPU implant or faction launchers you can downgrade the multispectrum.
[Mamba, non-awful]
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
C3-X 'Hivaa Saitsuo' Ballistic Control System
Gistum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery
Gistii C-Type 1MN Afterburner
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
[Empty High slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x2
Warrior II x2
Inferno Fury Light Missile x5000
Inferno Precision Light Missile x5000
Navy Cap Booster 50 x80
I'll give it a try, thank you!
Sorry for your loss, I want to give you a shout out about assault damage control modules. I was running the mid T3 exotics with Cerberus. Easy peasy until my server glitched and I couldn't turn on or off my shield booster...was just stuck red. I was taking good damage and was sort of freaking out. Then I remembered the assault damage control damage stops, very close to armor. Get rest of room dead, breath, resort to killing game and getting back in. Have time to finish rest of site...wahoo disaster avoided. Thanks.
I love ADCs!
@@captainbenzie you made me a believer that is for sure.
I do love your EVE Videos CptBenzie, nicely formatted and well narrated with interesting content. Your channel is one the best EVE "how to/how not to" out there IMHO, please keep it up :)
Wow, thank you!
What a gorgeous hull. Makes me wish my computer could play in ultra high.
It is 😊
My favorite hull! Shame our version is ballz
I was able to make something that was somewhat stable in pyfa by effectively copying a worm fitting I had. Worth noting that unlike the worm it is not cap stable, and has significantly less speed. DDA's over BCU's for fitting (it's possible to squeeze in a BCU if you go for a compact EM hardener). I can't see it being viable beyond blitzing low tier abyss as you are still having to work around T1 resist profile, and no matter the dps numbers there's a limit to how far you can go before you just can't tank enough even as a duo. if you could squeeze in a remote rep into the utility high it would give you a bit better tank but even then I'm not sure it's worth what you'd have to sacrifice in fitting elsewhere.
[Mamba, Mamba fit]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
EM Shield Amplifier II
Small Shield Booster II
1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Small Cap Battery II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
[Empty High slot]
Small EM Shield Reinforcer II
Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer II
Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer II
Hobgoblin II x2
Hornet II x2
I found a passive one that intrigued me...
Always kill Kikimoras first and Vedmaks second, those two should always take prio over every other Trig ship you see
Good to know....
i got something working with a med shield booster and cap stable. bit very tight on fitting, as u need a +1 pg implant
[Mamba, Mamba fit]
C3-X 'Hivaa Saitsuo' Ballistic Control System
Capacitor Flux Coil II
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Domination Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
[Empty High slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small EM Shield Reinforcer II
Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer II
Federation Navy Hobgoblin x2
Imperial Navy Acolyte x2
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-601
Inferno Fury Light Missile x5000
Inferno Precision Light Missile x1200
Scourge Fury Light Missile x5000
Scourge Precision Light Missile x1200
[Mamba, *Simulated Mamba Fitting]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
C3-A 'Hivaa Saitsuo' Ballistic Control System
Shadow Serpentis 10MN Afterburner
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Dread Guristas EM Shield Amplifier
Small Ancillary Shield Booster
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Core Probe Launcher I
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x2
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Navy Cap Booster 25 x9
Scourge Fury Light Missile x318
I missed the first time i watched this that burning was funding your bad decisions 😂
I like to refer to it as "pushing a new ship to it's limits" 😂
When I'm fighting against triglavian ships and mess up, I always try to pull range to break the damage multiplier then go back and try again, works most of the time
Yeah, but that one was faster than me 😂
@@captainbenzie yeah as I said, most of the time hahaha
I think doing firestorm in a shield boat is not the best. Specially in one which has limited boost capability.
Yeah, the Exotics were better but I wanted to push it
Thanks for the video. I have tried destroyers in the abyss but always end up going back to assault frigates. Imagine an assault destroyer.
I'm kinda glad we don't have Assault Destroyers as I think it gives frigates their niche, but I would like some more destroyer types!
I want to see Sansha's Nation join with The Deathless. I would definitely need to repair my standings though...
I imagine we'll see Serpentis and Blood Raiders first since they're more "human" and Sansha has had a fair amount of limelight already (Incursions, Drifter Wormholes etc)
Low CPU and PG.....fit more blue and green I guess! Using T2 launchers and mids were doing you no favors fitting-wise! Also...cheap PG and CPU implants helps, use them lol 😉.
FYI, the larger your Orbit the easier they can hit you! Reduce Orbit size till you just can't maintain full speed. Not I have 31km range so will Orbit at 30 🫡
Thanks for the tips!
MAN! your auto tracking is so good its like the old school style ? how did you do that :O how did you change your ship to be to the left side of your target centered.
Right click, track. Or hold C and click.
yes! i figured it out too thanks, fricking the Shift + C with the dynamic camera toggled was the trick.😍 @@captainbenzie
How would anybody in the eve universe even know what a mamba even is?
It's possible such creatures exist in the EVE universe or, like many of the Caldari ship names, they come from "legendary creatures of Ancient Man"
damage potential of this Destroyer is scary
Yup! 😊
Great help and thank you for the skill points!
Happy to help!
Pirate version of one of my favorite Caldari hulls, what's not to like?
Exactly!
I was always so sad that the Corax is bad, but now! My favorite hull on a good ship, let's go! :)
I noticed you mentioned you cannot "orbit" the Karen (karybdis). I'm not sure how it works in a destroyer, but in a frigate you can orbit it enough to where you kinda "lock it" in place, where it slightly drifts but not much. 9/10 times I kill the Karen before it orbits anywhere impactful. Though I can imagine for a destroyer your orbit speed wouldn't be fast enough. Just something to note. People have mentioned you can't orbit a karen even in a frigate, but it's how I do it 9/10 times in abyssals.
The reason this works is bc the karen's primary goal is to get to about 60km away from you in any direction. You orbiting it makes it consistently change its trajectory. Usually the karen starts around the gate, so if you rush it and get a quick orbit on it, you can do the lock and nearly afk the fight.
You mentioned the missile bonus to kinetic and thermal damage, and how that would help you and firestorm and gamma abyss. I think you meant exotic abyssals to take advantage of the kinetic resist penalty.
That's correct. I ran Firestorms and Exotics (not Gamma)
I'm going to wait till both this one and the Angel cartel ship hit only a couple hundred mil to think about buying.
November 😊
Love me some Guristas hulls. I do wish they were visually upgraded just a bit.
Yeah, same. I love them, but I do wish they had just a touch of the unique.
Ooof 😢 when it goes wrong, it goes all the way wrong! And then you had the pleasure of commentating it 🫠 for our viewing pleasure. 🎉
Yup! Glad you enjoyed, was good fun!
they could do unique visual changes like larger cargo bays, drone ports, larger drone antenna arrays
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster with Compact Multispectral worked for me.
Nice!
I wondered why the other video just quit right in the middle.
Reuploaded and fixed 😊
@@captainbenzie So you did break it!🤣🤣🤣
😂
With all due respect, I wonder how would that tank do against the Cynabal room
Copes fine ☺️
This made me sad to see. It did great with the T1 but probably a couple of the T2 room combos would it in. Need to see that price plummet before risking it in the deep dark abyssal depths.
Exotics will be fine. Firestorm not so much 😂
Ouch 😢
Stings, but that's how we learn in EVE 😉
Don't let the elitists get you down. You pay the sub for this game just like everyone else. Play the game as you want.
I just went and bought one of these. Worm and Gila also just purchased. Planning to use the mamba for L3 and below DED and unrated sites as I'm trying to get omega paid for in game. Guess we'll see lol
Also as of may 31 2024, mamba is semi-afordable at 150 mil in Jita
Good luck!!
firestorms are incredibly lethal because thermal is the most dangerous element in the abyss and you are cutting your thermal resistance roughly in half , its the main reason firestorms are the cheapest filaments and people run super specific fits for firestorms like the ikitursa , its not a big deal ive lost billions in the abyss and thats even with when we could practice on the test server
That's why I wanted to test on Firestorms. Exotics were easy
Passive version does a liiiiitle more defence has 20% less dps but it ignores capacitor problems which is realistically the biggest problem you had there. Also slightly cheaper. Talking of cheaper definately use the cheapo C3 dmg mod. 10 less dps (or something) for half the cost of the fit is a good idea I think...
Yup, that's how I fitted it for the follow-up video
@@captainbenzie Ah good sorry I missed that one! :)
How in the world did I not know you could get 1MM skill points even if you already have an account!
Hope it helps!!
@@captainbenzie Definitely did. I don't know what you get out of it, but I already got my 1MM SPs. Thank you!
I been outnof the loop for a year. So you made the move? Where are you nowadays?
Divorced and back in the UK 😂
@@captainbenzie oooof, that's rough. Sorry to hear about part one. Hopefully being back in the UK is a plus at least.
@@Moose00019 ah they both turned out to be a plus 😊
I make close to 2~3.5 mill ISK.. doing T-0 abyssals in under 5 minutes…
They are now 250 million :')
small changes lige from corm and corm navy would be nice.
Exactly
The amount of time it would take grinding these Abyssals to replace the hull is absolutely not worth the risk. I get doing this for a video, but this seems like an incredibly bad idea for any other case. I fly only what I can replace in a day's worth of effort. That way, instead of negating weeks/months of game time with a loss like this, I'm only set back by a few hours.
The ship is already less than a quarter of the price shown here
@@captainbenzie Hey, thanks for the response. I really enjoyed this video, btw. Just thought you should know.
I like the idea of flying shiny stuff but I just can't overcome the risk vs. reward issue lol
Full disclosure though, I've never been able to make a ton of money in this game so the 2B I've managed to accrue is a fuck ton of money to me hahaha. I'm just tryin' to avoid the poverty line.
woops...
t 2?
Yup
Using an Ancillary shield booster in PvE as the only tank is... a decision.
It's bigger boosts than a SSB and fits. Simple as that.
@@captainbenzie It's also a burst tank designed for PvP, and fitting can be made for a MSB.
A PvE fit using an Ancil has a severely limited top end, especially if you're considering it a "7bn ISK" fit (which it's pretty clearly not, it's just the game using a recent estimate for the hull cost)
Not worth wasting that much ISK.. knowing the return will take longer than you will be alive 😂😂😂..
Well, yes... But this ship will get a lot cheaper in about a week or two.
Ok but why are pirate ships like this price? Are pirates so successful that their destroyers are upwards of 1bn isk? I need the lore
Firstly, they're not this much anymore, it was just that this ship was brand new and very hard to get.
That's basically it for why they cost more than empire ships - they're rarer, harder to get because they're from the pirate factions out in Nullsec.
Welp atleast you learn something there right? Can readjust next time
Exactly!!
This kids is lazy piloting at its very peak. Love you Benzie but flying like that is a terrible way. Manually set you approach. And when in 5KM range you start your orbit.
I explain why I do this and why you shouldn't
Is the Gila actually pronounced "He-lah"? I've always said "Ge-Lah". I don't know how to type it properly.
Yes, it is. It's named after the Gila Monster, a north American lizard
@@captainbenzie Yeah. I love the lizard. I've just always pronounced it with a soft G. Crazy lol.
What do you do in Zimbabwe? Are you or your family Rhodesian?
I don't anymore. I married a Zimbabwean woman who recently divorced
@@captainbenzie sorry to be nosey and I’m sorry to hear bro. Love your content and I sincerely wish you well sir.
This ship screams for faction launchers.
Why when the T2 get T2 ammo and the specialisation bonuses?
@@captainbenzie Better fitting and better dps
Passive mamba 68 shield regen with 3800 bulk but resistance...
I updated the fit in another video
why was taht ship 7b ? i picked eve back one month ago, it always have been below 300M
When the Mamba and Mekubal first launched they were very expensive. The price has come right down over the last month.
You just get way more bang for the buck using a t3 destroyer
The Mamba has become a lot cheaper since this video and is Alpha friendly, whereas a T3D isn't. But yes, I do agree - just there are circumstances where the Mamba will be the better option for a player.
you can have 2 revelations or 4 valgurs for 8 billion, and u spend on a little useless destroyer :I
It's called "fun" and absolutely not useless, as shown. Also, considerably cheaper now 😉
use overheat in dangerous situations!!!!!
Wouldn't have saved me ;)
You wouldn't use a medium shield booster on a destroyer anyway - and it IS a destroyer; an immensely expensive/overpriced dessie but nonetheless.
If you fit a med booster on a "normal" dessie, it WILL wipe out the PG/CPU. It's supposed to be a glass cannon small ship.
I don't see anyone who isn't plexing or is an online Croeusus/Midas choosing this ship unless they're just bit obsessed by Gurista ships.
And that's from someone who really REALLY loves the Worm and Gila
Even only halfway through this video before the Abyssal, I know how you could lose this: neuts, webs and "Foop!"
I've lost TWO Gilas in T2s at level 2 mastery with decentish fits with Cap batteries and boosters because if you get neuted and webbed, you gon' die and not much you can do if you're unlucky.
And I absolutely did the same thing with the cap boost charges on one.
It's soooo easy.
The point of this video was just playing with a ship to see how far I could push it. I did a follow up that was about what I learned.
Price will come down, and then imho it's much better than the Worm without needing Gila skills.
@@captainbenzie Good vid. Thanks mate!
Woah !! Hang on - I thought only Gallente ships were glass cannons ? (eg Thorax )
@@davidnobular9220 Thorax isn't a glass cannon. It's surprisingly tanky for its class. Gallente aren't glass cannon by nature and have some of the tankiest ships in the game.
@@captainbenzie Thanks! Might give one a go in a t1 abyssal.....I struggle with Vexors in t2 especially when the automaton tower kicks in and kills my drones.....
Please NetEase, give this to meeeeeee 🙏
Lmao 😂
Tech 2 or tier 2 abyssal? It’s just wording but was pretty annoying.
Depends on the context
its a drone boat enhance the drones.
No, it isn't. It's a missile and drone boat. Hivaa's work better than DDAs.
Why would you live in the worst place on earth, you werent feeding the local aggressive wildlife were you?
Zimbabwe? I fell in love with a woman when on a work trip, moved out there and lived there for seven years. Amazing place, amazing people. Tough place to live though... I talked about it a lot on a secondary channel UA-cam.com/@BulawayoBuccaneer if you're interested!
@@captainbenzie I'm sure you're not of the same mindset as me but I know people who have had to flee Rhodesia(Zimbabwe), now South Africa because of essentially racial violence targeted against white farmers, Mugabe chased them all out and then only a couple years later begged through the press that they come back and farm because everyone was starving. In painful to see Venezuela having repeat the same mistakes, chasing all the "Blanco" oil engineers out and having gangs of kids fight over the "good garbage" with machetes while sitting on the world's 5th largest oil supply.
@@jububoobaroo67 I lived with a white family who stuck around through that and have seen both sides. As I said, it's a tough place to live, but the people are amazing. Governance, not so much.
A t1 destroyer for 8 bil? I can't image any reasoning why to bring such a ship into the Abyss, unless its fun for me to burn 8 bil ISK just for a laugh. My Navy Catalyst has significantly less DPS (no drones here, but still not bad with close to 300), but all other stats are slightly to much better, and it costs less than 0.5% of that Mamba.
As I say in the video, it's only that much cos it's super rare right now. Will drastically drop in cost next week. In fact, it's already down below 1bn. Should stabilise around 200-300m
@@captainbenzie I don't judge you, Benzie. I just stated that I personally never would do that.
It's not the anticipated future worth of such a ship, it's about the actual worth of the ship at the time you procured or made it. If you can afford to invest and eventually loose 8 bil ISK on an endeavor like that, that's totally fine.
You should have waited until the price drops right down. Rookie mistake.
Lmao why? I'm happy to fly it at this cost and I get to showcase the ship early. Experience worth more than ISK
@@captainbenzie How many of those NPC encounters you get so excited about would it take to pay for a 7 billion isk slightly better Corax?
@@reclused lmao okay you missed the point
This ship will be less than 400m in about a week. I wanted to showcase this ship ahead of time to see what I could do with it.
I don't care about ISK/hr, I care about FUN. This is a videogame after all. I want to have FUN playing it.
And to say "slightly better Corax" wtf 😂 that's like calling the Gila a "slightly better Moa"
def piloting error on not killing vedmak first...and you arent focus firing against ships that spider tank...
I fuck up so you don't have to
BRO its a passive tanking boat
you can get its tank above 70 hp per sec
and use the right ammo for the situation
I'm merely trying different things and this is the story of how I lost it. I'm clearly not saying "this is the best" just "this is what I tried and here's how it went" 😂
You are Capping
After watching a few of your videos it looks like this is a reoccurring problem.@@captainbenzie
@@caldarimiddleman5663 I don't see what you mean by "problem".
I'm not making videos saying "fly this". I'm saying "I'm having fun, here's what I did". That's all. The passive tank I've been running will be featured soon too.
You can get over 150 h/s by making it full pasive uninstall game scrub .....
Lmaooooo 😂😂
The thing is why would I waste my time with mamba for abyssals when I can chill with a gila XD
Fun. Not everyone wants to fly a Gila, its dull as dishwater, which is why I haven't covered it in Abyssals. Some folks want to fly a ship that they enjoy rather than copy-paste a fit from the internet ;)
i feel like these things are HUGE gank targets.... 7Bil distroyer? with >10k eph single Cat could kill that in 0.8 space
1) They're not 7bn anymore. This was a day or two after they first launched. They're a few hundred mil now.
2) I've improved the EHP since then, this was the first fit I tried - I did other videos :D
3) Anything can be a gank target. Someone spots an Abyssal Trace on DScan, they'll warp a fleet to it. They might get a Gila, they might get a T1 Dessie. Make your Abyssal Traces in Deep Safes ;)