I traded every White Sox player
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:38 Trading the White Sox
16:20 Bunt singles are back
23:18 What did these pitchers change?
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not even 24 hours later robbie grossman has been traded to the rangers for a pitching prospect
gonna be sad to see pham go. the white sox have needed a club house booster for years, and we finally get one that's both productive and has a fantastic work ethic. it's easy to see how fast they turned around when he started playing with the team too, going from the worst team in baseball, on pace to be the worst in history, to a .500 W/L since he started playing with a 10 game sample size
Pham, Kopech, Fedde and Eloy are the only guys I genuinely expect to get traded and I don't expect the White Sox to get much for any of them.
Nobody wanted Clevenger at last year's deadline and I don't expect anybody to nibble this year either
Cubs are going to take a run at Corchet.
@@woundedcrow4606 I don't know. They don't really need starters and picking him up for a stretch run to be in the pen would be spending a lot of prospect capital for a guy who might be on an innings limit coming off Tommy John.
I don't think Crochet is going anywhere.
@@JZekis he’s not a starter. Well, he is, but not a good one. If the Cubs get him, it’ll be because they need him as a closer. I think he’d rather be a closer on a good team than be a starter on the worst one.
@@woundedcrow4606 Converting him back into a reliever for a stretch run on a contender probably wouldn't make sense because he's going to have already pitched more this year than he'll have in any year in his career and he probably won't be able to go in back to back games. He's going to cost a ton of trade capital for a gig he might not be able to do.
If they are going to spend that much trade capital they might as well get an established closer.
@@JZekis I can’t argue with your logic at all, but the Cubs bullpen is a nightmare and by not doing anything to improve their team now, it alienates the monumentally dominant effort of the starters. Cubs starters had about a week between the last time they gave up even ONE earned run. Then a reliever cam in and gave up earned runs so quickly that they couldn’t get another reliever ready in time. It occurred to me earlier that Crochet could be the next Andrew Miller for the Cubs. Come in for 2 and 3 inning saves, dominate, then take the next day or two off.
Also, Garret Crochet has multi arbitration eligibility years ahead. He isn’t going to be cheaper at the trade deadline. Jed Hoyer needs to make a move and he will pay a lot for a closer. Any team will ask for a top prospect/s for a closer, either now or later. He’s going to get fleeced either way. Might as well do it for a guy who can legitimately close games and isn’t a straight up rental
Joc and Tommy Pham on same team would be hilarious
(If you don’t know Tommy Pham slapped joc bc joc was talking trash in fantasy football league)
They can have a slap fight to see who gets to start on days against rhp lololol as a giants fan I think Pham is a dick who’s probably the most annoying guy in the clubhouse lol
Not even talking trash he stashed a player on his ir slot so he could keep another guy 😂
This is such a great video to take a nap too
Idea for a future Thing:
You've talked before about how pitchers who dump their adrenaline after getting out of a jam and screaming as they leave the mound shouldn't return the next inning. This just happened to Shota tonight against the Padres. Would be interesting to see other examples and if there's anything interesting or correlative in the stats/data surrounding those events.
This is a fun one
Ichiro had a .581 batting average on bunts in his career. I know it could never be a common tactic, given how hard it would be to succeed once infields start coming in for it, but its cool to see a 1. OPS on bunts.
This long/short form from jimmy every week gets the baseball neurons firing. Love the excel visuals
As a Rangers fan, I do not want Jimenez. We are using our DH spot for guys we are "resting". We might need pitching help. We are waiting for pitchers to get off IL as more pitchers are going on to IL. Mahle, Scherzer, Burke and de Grom are progressing in their rehab, but then Bradford and Eovaldi got placed on the 15-day IL.
I'd give up a lot to see LUBob in Cleveland.
Love breaking down the sites you use, thanks for listening to the comments! This segment is the shit! Love it , Jimmy!
Win expectancy is higher with a runner on first base no outs than a runner on 2nd with no outs in the top of the 9th?? Hows that make sense?
Perfect timing for my half hour break
Can you dive deeper into the bunt hits? Who is getting them, and how does it affect their exit velocity stats? Do they make a noticeable difference in their expected stats? How should bunt attempts for hits be calculated in expected stats since their whole purpose is finesse and control over barrels and high exit velo?
Just things I’ve been thinking about.
How is it a bad idea when they’re good for a .400 average?
Would love to see the breakdown of MLB hitters who happen to go up against multiple guys in the MLB debut. Is there anybody that just feasted on first time MLB pitchers?
Just worked harder than anyone in the organization
Can you do the history of throwing it around sometime? I feel like it’s such a small part of the game but also a staple in baseball. No sure but don’t think there’s anything like it in any other sport. Pretty boring topic now that I think about it and having to talk about it for an extended period. I just love that aspect of the game
For next week’s segment can you talk about the Reds and Nats insane amount of stolen bases and the pace they’re on? (I’m a Nats fan)
The fury pave at which Jimmy attacked trading all the White Sox impressed me.
Yep, Jaime Garcia was the pre trade trade. They did it again with IKF from rangers to Yankees with Donaldson
DeJong seems like an obvious candidate. He’s hitting some this year
yoshida, casas, whitlock, bello, refsnyder, campbell, and trevor story are currently on the IL. And don smith and garrett cooper can’t hit for their life. so i’d expect a red sox trade for a 1st baseman/DH as well as a starter/reliever before the summer ends.
I can see the White Sox trading literally everyone but Luis Robert.
21:26 how do you explain it being a 50/50 chance to win when tied no runners in the 9th then putting a guy on 2nd still no outs and your win expectancy not only goes down but falls by almost 25%
Confusing, but 1.000 = home win, and 0.000 = away win. Top of the inning, a runner doubled, so the away team is gaining an advantage of 18%.
So go Jimmy’s point, away team win expectancy does not go down when sac bunting a runner over to 3rd, it goes up by that small margin of 0.007
@@mnguyen313 I appreciate the response it does make more sense now. Still don’t get some of the logic with the system as a whole but that’s a different thing all together
@@ninjasuperman9538 The keyword here is “expected”. There’s such a large amount of baseball games played through history that there’s a high enough sample to say “in this situation, 33% of teams in this scenario won the game”. Comes from statistics and the concept of an “expected value”.
Brewers could really use some starting pitchers. I want then to either work out a trade, or sign Trevor Bauer
I think a big part of why its ideal for teams to hold on til just before the deadline to trade guys away is because the returns are better. Teams know that they are on the brink and desperately need to fill a hole to make the playoffs. Or even really good teams that know they are going to make the playoffs may lose a key guy and need to fill a hole to keep their World Series hopes alive. For example the Dodgers and Braves are not giving you a dime for a DH right now but say Othani or Ozuna tear a hamstring or something and are out for the season. Suddenly you may be able to get a top pitching prospect for a good rental DH because those teams are trying to win it all and they will know that's going to be tough with a hole in your lineup where one of your best hitters should be.
We need a deep dive into which catchers are stealing the most strikes and who doesn’t help their pitcher out
My question on bunts. If teams are saying an out and moving the runner up lowers their win probability. What happens if that batter gets out and the runner doesn’t move isn’t that worse. Unless the hitter is an all time great odds of getting out are greater that 50%. So I still think it makes sense to move the runner up even if sacrificing an out. Also takes away the double play ball. They should be comparing a sac bunt runner + 1 base with +1 out to runner same base +1 out which is really the most likely outcome especially with high leverage arms.
Imagine Chris flexens parents where comedic geniuses and named there kid Richard
I could see an package of Eric Fede/Mike Kopech with another year on their contracts. Maybe Cubs, Padres, or Red Sox. I would think an package of those two could get a fringe 100 prospect back.
Could the rise in 2000/2001 have anything to do with Ichiro debuting in '01? I know that has nothing to do with the other year but maybe there was a hitter that specialized in bunt hits that season?
Tonight,play baseball, three hours, baseball ⚾
Love the hat, Jimmy! Lfg NYR!!!!!
For what it's worth, Taijuan Walker only has two starts on the year. Just came off the IL
Edit: made the comment before Jimmy realized it
Well Grossman DID get traded…
Randall Grichuk is Arizona's RH DH
How is the win expectancy .328 with a runner on 2nd in the ninth? Pretty sure you’re reading that one backwards.
Looking at chart 21:19 i dont understand how WE goes down if you have 0 outs and runners on as opposed to 0 outs and no one one. Am i missing something?
Thank you! The chart makes no sense! You have a .500 WE with nobody on and no outs. A .160 WE with bases loaded and no outs and a .557 with nobody on and 1 out. We are either reading this wrong or it's the most obvious garbage I've ever seen.
No idea if this is it but those numbers would make sense if it’s talking about win expectancy from the perspective of the home team (which would be pitching since it’s the top of the inning). If they let a runner on base their win expectancy would go down
@@spschol nice catch! Il that has to be it. Now I'll have to put the video back up and see if I can get a pause on the bottom of the inning.
@@spschol if that is the case though it kind of dismisses Jimmy's point that the sac out lowers WE for the team doing it.
So when I was saying lefties with the shift on should bunt if the third baseman is playing at SS I feel is justified for every player who doesn’t have over a 1.040 OPS! That’s what these guys are bunting to this year and last and that is with the third baseman. Also if the guy is fast you may have been even higher with a few of those going for doubles…
You can keep Flexen in Flexen
I looked at the divisions and IMMEDIATELY thought Eloy to the Mariners.
Luis Robert is going to Mariners
Tyler Wade my bunt single king
I believe Pham and/or Jimenez are going to find some hitting life on another team.
But Pham and Pederson had that whole thing when they were on the Padres/Dodgers respectively. Would they be good on the same team? Don't want a toxic clubhouse vibe
Twins would absolutely take Elon Jimenez. He would be a huge upgrade over Margot in terms of bad but a serious liability if he has to play Defense. So he would be primarily DH when Jeffers is catching.
Kopech is a Phillie
Robert is the only player on that roster worth anything. Maybe Chrochet, but he's been awful. He'd have to go back to the bullpen to have any value.
Since it hasn't been an injury thing with Crochet and he's only 24; I wouldn't mind seeing the Yankees take that flyer on him.
He's a cutter, four seam, slider, with a hint of a change guy. He'd fit right in with Blake's philosophy. And Rodon turned a corner with those pitches already
Crochet is worth something for sure. 25 year old with 3 years control left. Went 3 straight quality starts, 3 straight bad ones, and now back to back Quality starts. Maybe getting used to being starter again? Hasn’t started a real game in 5 years until this year. I’d bet he stays until at least the offseason to get more worth
you don’t know ball
Eloy would be a good fit in Boston if Yoshida is out for a long time. Power righty is a desperate need, this is assuming they stay in the race
“No honey, we have dried dog crap at home.”
Lift small, bunt the ball
Lol Robbie Grossman not treated
It took one day for this to be proven wrong. 😅
White Sox fan here. I think that pool of guys seems pretty realistic to consider. Eloy, Flexen, and Kopech seem the most likely to be shipped off. Fedde seems likely too, and the Rays make sense, but Bannister (Sox pitching coach) seems to have found something good in fixing Fedde's stuff. Maybe that could be a consideration to keep him on the Southside. Will anyone want to trade for Clevinger? The Sox put him on waivers last August, nobody claimed him, then nobody signed him in Free Agency. Hmm. If teams are in need of veterans, Pham, Grossman, or even DeJong could be desperation options to trade off, too. Overall nice work
I could see them improving in 2025 or 2026 they get the right pieces at the trade deadline.
Angels next
Nats please get Kopech
Joc and Pham hate each other
Grossman just traded to the Rangers lmao
Phillies trade Tijuan Walker for all the pitchers named :D
Let's go Jimmy. Can't wait til you are writing me checks.
Jimmy’s got enough Yankees bias to make me think he’s wearing timbs to bed and ripping Newports daily
Staffing the front office and line up with KC rejects isn’t a plan for success for the CWS
Video title: “I traded every white Sox player”
Does six players only.
Good clickbait Jomboy! 👍🏼
I hope the Mariners pick someone up.
Jimmy, that WE chart makes no sense. Or we are reading it wrong.
If only they could trade Reinsdorf
Can you put J3T in the titles?
The White Sox are going to be surprised when all these guys don't show up tomorrow. 😉
Rangers just grabbed Robbie Grossman
One team Pham won't be going to: the Arizona Diamondbacks
Oops I thought this was talkin baseball. My fault.
I'll se myself out.
“Sip of my coffee then we start” has to be the corniest shit going on the internet right now lmao. What the fuck is that 😂
cirroka to the giants. allowing webb to no longer be the ugliest player on the team
Another Lost Chicago white sox
2024 was already considered a lost season.
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I hate the coffee sip its so cringe