AEA CHALLENGER STANDARD BIGBORE .50 REVIEW
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Lewis and Clark's PCP was a .42 caliber that shot round balls fed through a gravity feed tube, loaded with a push-pull bolt that picked up a ball out of the tube. Air tank was in the stock. It likely saved them from several Indian arracks. It was a repeater which the NA were unfamiliar with and they didn't know how many shots the gun would fire or how many air rifles they carried with them.
With only 2000-ish psi in the tube unregulated and roughly 500fps of velocity, I cant imagine it being potent enough to reliably stop medium and above game, or a man. Dont get me wrong, 18th century airguns are spectacular machines and I love them as much as any airgunner, I just find we overly romanticise them nowadays.
@@MrPanos2000 it shot a 146 grain ball around 500 fps and made between 110-120 ftlbs of energy. this of course is not good if your hunting the way modern guns are used go go through the shoulder of a deer for instance. but you could kill a 300lbs 10 point buck with a well placed shot. it has as much power as some 22 lr rounds. although not thought of as ethical to use today to kill deer it will infact get the job done. they reportedly killed a bear with one albeit it was a black bear. an adult Male can weigh up to 660lbs. but 3-400 is the more normalized size for most adult Male black bears. so it should actually have killed that animal with a well placed shot.
@@MrPanos2000 they were only able to fill their roughly 1L reservoirs to 800-850 psi. Their tanks wouldn't reliably hold more (being made from thin steel sheet that was riveted and soldered together), and they only had single stage pumps. On the Corps of Discovery Expedition, they took Elk and Deer with the large caliber (likely somewhere between .40 and .45 caliber) rifle, and small game with the small caliber (somewhere between .30 and .35 caliber). The Austrian Army adopted a very similar airgun, but in .50 to issue to special purpose troops, but eventually abandoned it because it was determined to be too difficult to teach their conscripts how to properly maintain airguns.
What you have to understand is that we've actually gone backwards with air rifle design in the last 140 years. The reason why Herr Girandoni and others were able to get as much power out of a low fill pressure was by using a timed valve (valve stays open more or less the entire time the ball's in the barrel). Current air rifles virtually all rely on super high fill pressures and beating the hell out of the valve (some of these air guns are running 50lbs springs and 4 oz hammers lol) to get a tiny puff of HPA to get any power, they did it then with better design. By changing the pressures down to 800 in GGDT for my own timed-valve gun design, It shows you should be able to get around 640FPS / 131.8FPE with a .457 145gr ball in a 30" barrel (short for the day), 665fps/142.2 fpe in a 35", and 685fps/151.2FPE in a 40" (35"-40" were common barrel lengths of the day), all on 800psi. At 850PSI, your first shot (the one you'd use for hunting) would run around 701fps/158.3FPE out of the 40" barrel.
If you were to somehow fit a bullet in a rifle like they used (bullets were only just starting to be used in rifled firearms in 1803, and hadn't become common yet), you could sling a 200gr bullet out of the 40" barrel at around 621fps/171.3FPE with 850PSI for the first shot. Timed Valves are the only way to truly max out the power of 4500-5000psi fills. Nothing currently offered by the big MFG's comes close. My design (still testing) bests Lethal Air's Custom Texan in output in .50, and the Zeus in .72 (though I think I will use it more with the 20 bore smooth and rifled barrels, I don't see the need for 12 bore, IMO), and is only 100-250fps short of many common mid-power black powder cartridges. I ended up building the barrels with integral moderators, it'll certainly damage your hearing otherwise (still 100DB at the muzzle unregulated with the 35" 20 bore barrel and 5" moderator, only around 90DB back by shooter's ear).
The small frame version of the design (what I'm currently distracted with lol) seems to be able to 1080fps/103.8FPE on average regulated to 2900psi with a 40gr bullet in the 25" .224 barrel I currently have made for it (with the set trigger and decent sights I made for it, it's a terror on groundhogs lol). I kinda want to shoot a 17gr ball out of it to see what it can do.
I have the bullpup version and love it. Super loud, piwerful and accurate. Rick is right I dont think you can buy anything comparable for the money and its actually well made
Well actually I did buy a refurbished Hatsan Bully in 45 for 6 bills too, so I guess you could, but that's not a 50. Also a beast though.
I put the Donnyfl Emperor on mine.
Helped a lot.
The Donnyfl Kami is even quieter
@@stedyone1090 hmm i will look into getting one. I have a Sumo on my Airmax. Thx bud.
This is like a Ferrari and I need a VW bug with 30 hp for plinking. At $1.00 a pellet, it is the same price as a powder burner, but since it's air, it's cooler to me. This would be great home protection, too !
Nice to see somebody shooting it at range. Thanks for post
aea is taking the airgun world by a storm, excellent air guns and cannons..!, at at outstantig price point
AEA guns are well made and accurate …. Aluminum and steel……some of the competitors are putting more plastic in their guns and they want much more money…….some are new to the game and they come out of the gate wanting 1500 to 2000 dollars for their air guns…..The price and quality is good for me…….I’m not gonna pay more for an air gun than I pay for a power burner…….but this is just my preference….I’m not going to tear down anyone else’s choice for what they choose to spend they should get whatever they like.
Awesome 50!!! Wish it was warm like this right now!!! Slick video brother !!
Very impressive gun I love your videos ♥️ what makes it even more of a value 💲💸 stock it produces 400 plus FPE but very simply if you add a couple washers to the rear of the gun add more air pressure to the tank 4000 PSI, and add a 300 grain slug people are getting a little over 600 FPE talk about an "awesome value" in a big bore 💪👍👍
Whats a washer?
Only UA-cam channel I have notifications on. These AEA guns are pretty impressive for the money. Still think I’m partial to the Texan though. But you have really got me wanting a bronze Fx impact m3 700mm. If I could only find one tho
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@@aubreyharris166 ended up picking one up shortly after this post. Friggin love it
Oh heck yea.... shooting soda bottles at that distance, been looking for a good squirrel rifle and here she is ( :
I'd love to see more offhand shots at 50, 100, or 150. Split a playing card offhand at 30. And maybe discussing the techniques involved in doing so. Those shots are damn impressive. I personally suck at them due to nearly always shooting off a rest. I vow to do more offhand shooting in the coming days and weeks.
I can give that a try . Sounds good
@@shooter1721 Hell yeah. Thanks Rick.
@@shooter1721 That would be the perfect .50cal for some Whitetail hunting!
Thank you for the videos. Happy Christmas to you and yours.
Same to you Merry Christmas
Airforce Texan now has very serious competition
Actually Hatsan Piledriver is Airforce Texan competition, both these guns are shooting 620+gr slugs, they make over 800fpe, but they are only single loaders The heavist the Challenger shoots is 250gr slug makes 500fpe and use a 5 shot magazine.
I have the bullpup as well and it’s a great rifle. Very well made, I really like it. I have 3 power washers from Bin in it and it’s quite a bit more powerful than it was before I put them in. I’m going to get the Kami when I can because it’s really loud lol. I’m extremely happy with it.
Same here ….nice little big bore
Is it easy to handle? Im stuck between the standard size or the bullpup, I don't really have an idea how cumbersome it could be to lug around the field, only pcp I have is a diana stormrider but that thing is super nimble, cheers!
Guys, whats a washer? Language barrier, sorry
A washer is a shim or spacer in this case.
@@joerazakmex88 I haven’t tried the standard I have the bullpup it shoulders well for me I’m pretty accurate off Hand with it. I don’t know if I would go hiking with it or anything lol
When he dropped those 2 plates with one shot. I was like, you kidding me?? Then he says it too. Lol
AEA has made all other air gun manufacturers obsolete. no one comes close to matching the power, quality and price, no even on the same planet.
AEA defender pistol shoots 5000psi
I checked all your videos in big bore .I have a question .which of the two big bore you prefer first and second of your choice.
First Zeus .72 caliber 24 inch barrel second umarex hammer .50 caliber and third Aea challenger elite bullpup .50 caliber.
Which is of yours first and second choices and why.
Wait of your reply .
Thanks
Been waiting on them to get back in stock I want 457 ! Looks like if you add some stuff it make good hunting gun !
Have you used this particular Big Bore for Deer Hunting ? And if so how was the take down piwer ?
I just received mine along with my evanix rex ba in 50 cal. the challenger is a beast. I would like to get the bullpup next, along with the rex p carbine in 50 cal.
We are reviewing the .50 Bullpup next week
i have the big 9 in .357 and the .45 and both have some power. mine are on loan from pete to make barrel bands and supports for and to do shooting test. i am hoping to buy the .50 cal. like this one soon. ill be buying that one. good job on the 150 yard shots
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I own the Grand Daddy to that aea .50, I own a 1st. Gen Zeus and no matter how infreequently does it get used I can say it always shoots like the day I received it...! Yes I love my Zeus .72 cal.. That gun shoots straight and true every time.. It's a lot of Steel at 11.6 lbs if my memory is correct today. but sure feels like more.. At the time I bought it I was having my .50 cal. Airforce Texan LSS Camo colored and it was going to be a while because there where a few before me, ( I Should Of Had It Gun Skined ) so I bought the Zeus to play around with.. Great rifle to get the neighbors up in arms with...! Lmao..!
I'm steel waiting on that Fx vs challenger pro in the long distance contest??
$610 seems like a steal.
You should be shoting the first target al a 100 and 150 to see how it works. When you change the tagets to something much bigger... there's not much point in see the video cause is obvious is going to find the targer at a 100 and 150... like all the air rifles available. It's a TIP for you! Start doing this kind of videos, but keep the same target ALL THE TIME to see who is Who and what is What!
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The barrel looks so tiny compared to mine. How is that .50 cal?
I really like the overall gun but there's something about an unsupported barrel that long and heavy, that makes me a bit concerned. I'd install a barrel-band toot-sweet. But great shooting as always.
Black arts design has them
I don't understand why it bothers you? Hell the most accurate guns in the world are heavy barreled and FREE FLOATED. You think it's gonna bend or something? lol
@@ericteipen my thoughts exactly.
@@ericteipen I guess because I grew up in the REAL world, and better to be OVERLY-strengthened than not enough?...but I guess that's where YOU are,.,...
I've the .457 coming hope is just as good
Whats your honest opinion in regards to the most accurate , long range aea pcp air rifle for strictly deer 🦌 hunting outside of the aea zues ? What caliber would you prefer for taking whitetail 🦌 ?
I like a .50 cal and the distance I would shoot to is 100 yds and in . Both the .457 & .50 are very accurate and perfect for whitetail comes down to shot placement.
@@shooter1721 you prefer the hp max , the Challenger standard or the Challenger bullpup, Challenger pro , which one would u deer hunt with ?
Hey, I've bought a demo challenger from bintac and it's the .457 with the power valve. Anyways I heard people having problems with this platform? Any luck finding parts and orings just incase ?
What is the full length of it thanks buddy keep shooting straight
I have the same AEA 50 cal but in a bullpup. Nielsen 495 235grain. 3 out of 6 shots I registered 969 fps 490.48fpe... what do you think?
Is it comparable
Those numbers registered the 3 shot
That’s really good . It is comparable
Mine has a trigger pull of right at 8 pounds on a very accurate digital scale. TERRIBLE!
@@ericteipen They need better triggers and, some of their guns need adjustable regulators.
Hey Rick how come you don't do the trigger pull on these anymore you never do a trigger pull to let us know what kind of triggers they have are they that bad
I just bought a new trigger pull device . We had the old one for this video it but it wasn’t giving consistent readings . I’ll make you see it in the future.
He used that same excuse the last time when I asked him the same thing LOL. I'll answer your question for him. I own several AEA guns and about a month or so ago I got one of the Big 9s and the pull weight on my trigger is nearly 8 fricking pounds! That's EXACTLY why he won't talk about it. It was the video of him testing the big bore bullpup go back and read his answer for yourself. AEA big bores have the shittiest triggers of any gun produced. It's a damn shame because the barrels are very accurate. Instead of putting a bigger/better flowing valve in their big bores they just added a massively heavy hammer spring to gain power. I'll not buy another one until they fix this issue. They're that bad!
You know that really is a shame Eric that they would make such a nice well-made gun and have such a shity trigger in it that was the only two downfalls would be the trigger and the weight of the air rifle and that's really about it I think it seems to be a well-made rifle but it's terrible that they put such a terrible trigger on them this supposed to be a rifle why would you have a shotgun trigger on a rifle do they not know that this will affect your accuracy I only bought the aea rifle because it was at a really good price it was a side lever mechanism and a repeater with a magazine I could have bought the texan but I really didn't want to spend twelve hundred or $1,500 on a single shotgun that's nearly six foot long it may have a better trigger I suppose but it would be easier with the aea rifles to get around in the woods and I hunt out of a lot of tree stand that is sad about the trigger though you would think they would know this
I just purchased 45 cal ty for great vid
Is this going to be my next air gun I have to have?
Hope you enjoy shooting guns with nearly 8 pound triggers! LMAO
After I put the power washers in my trigger isn’t as heavy and I don’t think mine was more than 5 lbs to begin with.
Could you maybe do a trigger pound test next time please thank you for great videos I enjoy watching and learning the way you, do and show the air rifles . thank you.
@@spaghettispaghetti1931 ua-cam.com/video/y6l7XvWNzAA/v-deo.html
It sends heavy, huge pretty video
Why not show what it can do at 4500 psi? Bin tac said all AEA Challengers can shoot at 4500 psi and if you add 3 washers you can expect another 60 FPE
What size scope are we using on this gun.? 2023 question
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Happy New Year
3 shots?
Why is the challenger bullpup in your other video more powerful foot pounds ???
I just checked the 2 videos the Bullpup is 472 ft lbs and the Challenger is 416 ft lbs . It could be the hammer spring adjustment. I try not to change anything so people can see them straight out of the box .
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is this airgun chinese?
Yes
Is it made in China?
I'm guessing that's a little louder than 22lr. Lol.
Yes sir
That gun will hunt.
Yes sir .
Very good vidio.
You will get 8 good shoots at 4500psi and over 1000 FPS with
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It's not bolt action.
Already have one in bullpup
Is there a bolt probe ? Yes …..we know it is a side lever .
side lever/bolt action. same mechanics.
LOL yeah maaaybe you shouldn’t shoot big game at 150 yrds, but you sure as heck could ruin a squirrels day. 🐿 💥 💭 😅😂🤣
4 shots ! no thanks
how many shots does it take to kill a deer? if you shoot that bad i think the gun isnt the problem.
AWESOME !!! 😂
AWESOME !!! 😂
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