Mini DOS Gaming PC Part 2 - CPU Upgrade + Benchmarks, Building Soundcard
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- Benchmarking the Vortex86 range of CPUs, and upgrading the soundcard. // Your trustable pcb prototype partner : www.pcbway.com/
Part 1 here : • Mini MSDOS gaming PC -...
Full benchmark results here : docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Order your very own PC104 soundcard here : www.pcbway.com/project/sharep...
PC/DOS MINI game collection : vieju.net/pcdosmini/
Phil's Computer Lab : www.philscomputerlab.com/ - Наука та технологія
I had the joy of spending the past weekend with the SiS version eBox, having FPU and MMX, so it ran Windows 2000 like a dream - but drivers was a big problem. Only working good on XP and no sound support in DOS for the SiS 7019 AC'97....
Same here.
Nice upgrade. I'm glad there's an FPU-equipped variant, a lot of people forget that the Build engine used the FPU too. The only exception are the games running on the earlier version of the engine that didn't use slopes, like PowerSlave/Exhumed.
I remember seeing the OG VorteX86 back when it was new, and I thought how cool it would be to make a DOS gaming system from it. Glad someone finally has.
1:35 lol
Super cool follow up video!
He's trying to imitate Linus from Linus Tech Tips. Lol
Well, the original Vortex86 was based on Rise cpu core and SoC architecturem licenced by SiS and DMP.
Vortex86 SX is actually a different CPU created by RDC Semiconductor, hence the big difference in perf/clock
Now design a PC104 Voodoo II board.
So far that is the best DOS gaming console project i ever seen.
Mate this is amazing! And thanks for the link to that PC/DOS Mini game collection. That's a fancy menu system, and I bet I've got just abot every game on that list already on GOG! Weekend project sorted!
I loved that you used a turntable as the, well, turn table.
Also that outro music was nice.
Really awesome to see this build progress!
I love your turn table! :P
Amazing project, it turned out awesome. You wouldn‘t happen to sell these as kits?
Simply fantastic. Would love to buy one!
I'm working on ways to make tiny PCs more accessible. Keep an eye on my channel!
@@TheRasteri Thank you, I am following keenly. Also wondering if your soundcard design allows using things like an external MT-32 or SC-55? Thanks again!
@@jpxdude Yes indeed - you can use the Joystick port to output MIDI, I often use the mini PC with my Sound Canvas. Adapters are still available on eBay.
@@TheRasteri Excellent. I am super hyped for this. Cheers.
Great work!
Nice! Mine is almost finished :)
Great vids!
This makes me pine for a handheld DOS device, instead of these emulator handhelds with aging RK processors.
Love this!
"I imagine the reason for this is power consumption"
Maybe part of it, but it might be bottlenecks and/or architecture differences. a cycle for a Pentium or Pentium 2 would not equal a cycle for a cycle for a 486 so if the computational efficiency per cycle is essentially double or triple then you would have 900Mhz 486 = 300 Mhz Pentium II or whatever.
Do you by chance still have the Gerbers for the end plates? I’d love to get some printed! Sorry if you’ve already mentioned it somewhere…
Nice stuff. How much do those PC104 boards cost?
The crystal chip is okay but has a somewhat inaccurate OPL3 implementation. Does the onboard video card run demos like Second Reality and Crystal Dream 2 without issues?
I didn't know about UTSource but since we talked about the ESS Solo-1 in the other comment section I looked it up. And they do have the chip there still! ES1938S . If it is compatible with these boards the same way it is with the VIA motherboards and TDMA works on them then you would get excellent sound blaster and especially adlib compatibility. It would sound very close to an OPL3 and in some games it can sound better. Might be a great fallback if you have a board that won't accept these ISA chips.
If you ever make a retro PC like this for the 98 era, another good PCI one could be the YMF744B-R which also has some native DOS compatibility with a TSR (Not as good as the ESS Solo-1) but inside windows it would have fantastic wavetable midi synth with Yamaha XG support. A3D, and EAX support. And it has a native OPL3 built in.
unfortunately i cant find any PC-104 boards in Australia..... i really liked the small form factor you got ...must keep looking
You can buy them new from ICOP or one of its distributors. I recommend a PC/104 board with a Vortex86DX processor, the SX is a bit underpowered
So cool
Awesome work! I am also doing a PC/104 build, and i am stuck on the RJ45 breakout.. how did you wire it and figure it out on yours?
The pinout is in the manual of my PC104 board, can just compare it to the pinout of a regular RJ45 connector
Edit: although now I think back, I actually just copied the pinout from the original cable that came with the board
TROGGGGDOOOOR! :)
A comparison to my Cyrix MediaGXm @ 166MHz
with an S3 ViRGE 325 PCI VGA card
3DBench: 102
Chris3D: 73
PC Player: 29.0
DOOM: 59.75
Quake: 20.8
Was the power adapter included?I considering pulling the trigger on a couple ebay options that should have fpu.
Pretty cool! Could you share the name and model of the thin client you used?
Sure! They're in the EBOX 3350 range, but there are others - www.compactpc.com.tw/
1:35 The fok-drop
6:33 At what temperature (Celsius) did you solder the surface mount components? This would help me in the future when I try to solder the sound chip for the WeeCee PC.
I normally aim for about 280 on my iron but who knows how accurate it is haha
@@TheRasteri Thank you very much!
Hmm, what are those thin clients? Eeebox is an Asus Atom based thingy, seemingly. EeePC derivate.
Happened upon these types of CPU's recently on This Does Not Compute's video about fastfood ordering system. Still works, I guess. :)
It's just EBOX - www.compactpc.com.tw - DM&P make them. They're pretty cool but no access to the ISA bus unfortunately :(
Amazing job! I'm working on similar project but my goal is run Windows 95/98
I'd love to build a tiny Windows 9x gaming PC but most games from that era require 3D acceleration and I'm not sure how to go about that.
@@TheRasteri maybe you could riff off of this: twitter.com/JoshDWalrath/status/1362468283069255681 I'm still astounded that people can do this sort of thing these days.
what sound card off ebay did you buy? I want to get one for my dos pc
It's just some cheapo generic one, the ROM chip says it's an "AW35/Pro" which I believe was made by Aopen
Hey, were you ever able to find the value of that ferrite bead you used? The parts list you linked to just says you didn't know the value.
I just used a random one from my workshop haha. TBH the value probably isn't too important, it actually works just fine if you just bridge the ferrite pads
@@TheRasteri Ah ok so it doesn't need to be a very impedance high value then. PCBWay were complaining about it so I thought I'd ask since I didn't find any hits on the part number in the photos. Digikey apparently does 0R @ 100MHz, that should probably be fine. Thanks for that
@@mrrandomperson3106 Can you help me out with a complete, PCBWay accepted BOM file? They are complaining about every sencond part on the list:)
@@petervarga3898 Hey man sorry for the delay, I replied but I think my reply got killed because I posted a google drive link to my BOM. The BOM included in the link only had four items flagged and two of them were because they were out of stock. The eight electrolytic caps I found on CPC since Digikey don't do them in 5mm. The sound chip they accepted a UTSource link and the rest had alternatives on Digikey
@@mrrandomperson3106 Thank you:) You know it waited ~20 years, so it can wait some more. I am not really sure which parts replace the ones they dont have. Maybe you could post the BOM somewhere as an image?
How does this company have x86 licenses? I thought only Intel/AMD/VIA (now Zhaoxin) have active licenses, yet DM&P somehow still produces these.
I might build one myself to be honest
Show us
All you need now is a proper crt monitor.
If only enthusiasts could create new ones. :( Chemicals and equipment needed highly regulated and expensive
You said there'd be networking
You can probably sell thousands of these.
Ya but can it play crysis! :)
Awesome follow up, found your channel on the first Wee86 video. Always refreshing to see other creators ideas and how they accomplish them. Looking forward to your other projects.