Invincible: Debbie Grayson, Control and True Strength
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I found an extremely good video essay on the significance of food in Invincible.
IE: Nolan learned that in human culture, people gather around and eat to have a good time, so every time a tragedy happened, he suggested to order pizza, without realizing that his family wasn’t in the mood for it.
Right after Mark gets back from the hospital, he tries to do the same, ask to order pizza, but once he sees Debbie crying, he realizes that he nearly repeated the same tone deaf mistake as his Dad, so he leaves her be.
It’s rich, detailed writing like this that makes the show so good.
Is the video by unholy basil? If so, I know what I'm watching after this. Or in between parts of this long ass video.
@@nzpowa._.6662 yep, that user.
It's also implied that food may have been how Debbie was able to instill human values onto Nolan, as she does reveal that when he first arrived on Earth he had a borderline robotic personality that she slowly softened into a person. It's especially noticeable when considering how Nolan always asks for something to eat whenever he comes back from something and does seem genuinely excited for it even if he himself doesn't realize it.
“Why Debbie? Lately I’ve been thinking a lot about…”
….Milfs?
I don't think I'm brave enough to cuck omniman
Had to be
Man I love France
Reject Debbie go with Takanawa
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Debbie doesn't get enough credit. In the comic she really went off the deep end but in the show's version she really is a iron maiden emotionally. Its excellent stuff.
viltrumites dont have the ability to cope. default weakness to emotional damage
The show is pretty much just straight up a better and more mature story to be honest.
The comic is fine but kind of average, I don’t feel the same emotional depth in scenes or characters
@@JM-tj5qm absolutely wrong, the comics are better, the show just has the advantage of having some top notch actors delivering their lines
@@sirgentlebread7302ehhhhh
@@varelmarais2222 I could go on with what the comic does better, but it would be a long rant.
But to put it simply, Invincible is a comic created by comic lovers for comic lovers, using the medium of comics to enhance the story and overall tone.
While Invincible the cartoon, is a well written story.
Debbie is such a wonderful character equally expressing resolute will and inner strength, while also fighting the most understandable bouts of anguish and nigh-despair.
Invincible's core theme is that it's the inherent "humanity" that makes heroes what they are. Debbie is the embodiment of that humanity.
It's so tempting to dismiss her feelings, struggles, and problems as lesser compared to all the wild shit that goes on, but they are just as valid. Once you start dismissing people and their lives, for some "greater good" you begin the slippery slope into turning into a monster.
She looks like she is giving someone the side eye. She looks like she just heard Omni-Man trying to tell her that he never said he loved her like a pet.
your father sounds similar to mine. and then thing you said about shutting yourself away. yeah. that. i had a small job once because i was forced to and it was handed to me, but i quit and shut myself away from the world for nearly 20 years now, talking to fewer and fewer people as time goes on. just quietly waiting to die
You don't want to hit a wall where you feel like you've lost your mind and need to radically change, like I did. I'd branch out. Maybe some noncommittal group stuff. Discord calls have been great for that sort of thing.
@@PlagueOfGripesI love you so much
Concerning the story about the puppy, you did your best. Even if it prolonged its suffering, life is worth that much if there's any perceivable chance. I know it's hard not to second-guess your decision, but you should have no shame about what you did. I'm sure the puppy was more concerned with surviving than dying well.
I liked when both nolan and debie got call from the void just to end things, debbie could stand on her own, while nollan needed an excuse to continue
This seems like an interesting thought but I literally have no idea what you’re trying to communicate because of spelling.
@TheFloodFourm Both characters considered ending their lives, but Nolan needed the Flaxans losing control of their ship to find a reason to keep living, while Debbie talked herself away from the ledge
She was emotionally stronger
@@Maxisamo1 thank you
@@Maxisamo1and still shes just a pet- crazy
@@Maxisamo1that makes sense with Nolan's character since he has no idea how emotions work.
The puppy story I wouldn't call morally grey. You showed humanity where clearly the others around you didn't even consider it an option.
You arguably gave that puppy more love/empathy in its short life, that it could ever hope to have despite the pain, that's arguably heroic.
If I had a nickel for every time I had to skip ahead because Plague started to tell a story of a dog suffering terrible pain before dying, I'd have two nickels. Not a lot but it's weird that it happened twice. Sorry you had to deal with that Plague.
Across the 2nd nickel dimension
Hobo with a shotgun was originally just a fake trailer in Grindhouse. It was perfect as that: a trailer for a bad 70s exploitation film that didn’t exist.
They then used their talent at creating “The best 90 seconds of a bad movie” to make the rest of the movie.
I really appreciate how strong the show version of Debbie is compared to her comic appearance. The things she went through and how she’s been processing it feels much more fleshed out
Bro, she isn’t strong in the slightest. She’s an unhinged emotional wreck. The things in her life are so much bigger than what she’s going through but she chooses to focus on her own first world problems. Remember, she still has a nice upscale home, a kid with super powers, a ton of money, government subsidies and protection.
What she is, is a cry baby.
45:00 Kirkman said in the glossary of “The Official Handbook of the Invincible Universe”( that never got a second part and released around #47 when Anissa showed up around 2007) that Humans and Viltrumite might share a common ancestor and 2.) Viltrumites are made up of Smart atoms that “”remember” their normal states in relation to their environment and can be encoded to react to changes in that environment.” Basically saying that Viltrumites have control over their Fixed atomic that is highly resistant to change thus they being tough, muscles not snapping and them Flying via atomic inertia and quantum background energy as stated in the book.
Wait, so they're have the same ancestry as us?, So does that means (if we're talking about evolution) theres a chance of flying space monkeys
smart atoms are weird. I rationalise smart atoms as just atoms but different quark arrangements.
For whatever it's worth,
I think you did the right thing.
I feel bad for Debbie. As her husband betrayed her love calling her a pet and even the hero support group don't want anything to do with her. You can see her just throw herself into her work and later marks brother to have something she can control in her life as everything is crumbling around her
I'd say that's her true inner strength of staying stable in a time where most would be frozen and unable to do anything with how much changed in an instant.
The right thing isn't always like, the easy or moral-looking thing. You used a dog dying and prolonging his suffering right, if you know its suffering and there's nothing you can do, the best thing you can do is to end that suffering, but that's not easy, like, most people have never taken a life, any life, well, maybe small bugs life but that's too small right, a dog is different, most people can't force themselves to do it, and, we have systems and vets that do it for you, specifically because it isn't easy, and if it was super easy to a person that might not be a great look right.
But yeah, like, i think Invincible tackles that type of stuff well, like when he killed that head dude right, he lost control, sure, but at the same time, it's not like he was giving him a choice, the issue is that he lost control, so, you can say he did the right thing, but because he lost control, because it was almost an instinct to do so, in his heart he knows he didn't do for the right reason, he just did it cause he lost it, he betrayed a part of himself and became just a little bit more like the person he didn't want to become. It's such an interesting way to go with it, and it doesn't sacrifice good fun action, it's a hard balance, not to come off preachy or boring.
Debbie deserves respect. She has gone through some craaaazy and tough shit man…
I will always appreciate the dichotomy of Omni-Man being a person who believes that his immortality makes human connection meaningless versus the Immortal who preserves his sense of justice through new human connections.
Helping doesn't always work out but you were being a decent human being when you tried to save the dog. We are all too often thwarted by the complexity of life. It's still a better world with people like you in it to help out
What you're talking about isn't grey morality, it's just simple tragedy: giving your all to do good and still ending up with a bad result. Morally grey decisions are killing Angstrom or hiring Sinclair.
26:22 Kreia is the best star wars character ever to be conceived, omggggggggg
The Startrek culture you brought up personally sounds more like being born intersex rather than being transgender. Often when a baby is born with anatomy that looks both male and/or female their parents and or doctor will immediately choose a gender for the child, and that often involves unnecessary surgery to make their body match the gender that is chosen for them. And then that child is often never told that they were born intersex, and when it comes up later it can be distressing.
Probably so. I'm no expert and mainly just wanted to avoid stepping on toes, since the point was more that it started dialogue that wasn't 1:1 to reality.
@@PlagueOfGripes Yeah You're right the example isn't 1:1. Certainly I would have no trouble with a trans person feeling seen by that plot as well. Just kinda saying what I thought about hearing about that episode.
The puppy story was sad, but thank you for telling it.
I disagree with your assertion that the world is more complicated than we think.
The world is as complicated as we want it to be.
Pointing out that something Black or White is actually Grey only pushes inertia, incertainty, and nihilism.
In every situation, there is a right thing to do.
You must do it.
It's strange isn't it? How many people will cling to this idea of blurred lines when they're very defined clear lines spelling out your destiny.
Reality is infinitely nuanced, but nuanced thinking is costly, as you point out. And often, an excuse. It's also a privilege. Knowing when to think fast, and when to think deep, makes all the difference. There's some nuance for you.
The date part I completely disagree, I would dare say is the other way around in today's world and if anything the same women that see men as a double edge sword are the ones that opens the door to them in hopes to manipulate them.
Debbie is great because she always stands her ground even in the face of an alien husband or a delusional villain, but above all she cares deeply about her family and friends putting herself in danger-a thing that has been lost currently, a woman is not strong cause she's "strong independent"-her care, love and fight for others and willing to grow out of the pain is her strength. And that's why Velma and Carol failed
I love Debbie as a character. In this day and age of bland, lifeless, inconsistent characters in film and tv, it makes me so happy that i can actually latch on and care for her because her writing and the actress’s performance make me care. So much so when that douche at the support group for widowed spouses of heroes completely turned on her after he found out she was Omni-Man’s wife AFTER HE BROKE THE RULE OF TELLING WHO THEY WERE MARRIED TO, I was furious and felt she did not deserve that. There’s not a lot of modern day characters I feel that way towards.
I got chills when Plague talked about the horrors of immortality as if from experience.
Have you ever died?
@@Mustachioed_Molluskoh yeah
time stamp?
@@RobClober 1:26:12
@@VensVids thanks
Dude it’s 3 AM and I am trying to sleep. Why are you dropping heat 🔥 now? Anyways I will watch it later but Awesome video as always
It was a great video like I predicted
Wow, just not only the essay, emotive,, but Debbie protrait, is great, if one of the best image of her, Thank you
Debbie is a great example of why the show is better than the comic. She's written so well and her VA Sandra Oh is incredible.
One of the most consistently frustrating parts with the so-called "strong women" archetype in media is that often times the women are not only powerful and resilient, but that their struggles are often homogenized into something so shallow as to be relatable to "all women". Captain Marvel struggled with men telling her her whole life that she couldn't do it as good as a man, not with any specificity but solely to create the theme of "Get up girl, no man can keep you down."
Part of what makes Debbie an effective version of that archetype is that her story is so specific, so unlike any real person's actual story that we can empathize with her as an individual, and thus draw comparisons to her story indirectly(i.e. your tangent on the writing of Star Trek and Orville). Same reason why everyone is praising the character writing for Lucy in the new Fallout show.
In other words, a character designed to be relatable to everyone is relatable to no one.
You did the right thing about the little dog.
I once met a little girl petting a stray cat. She asked me what to do with the cat since I was an adult, and I was completely unprepared for that question. I told her that there are services that take care of stray animals (shelters) and that she can talk to her parents about calling them if she feels concerned. Or that the cat might have an owner but was allowed to walk freely outside (it looked taken care of) and that she probably shouldnt worry too much about it.
It felt at the time as a semi reasonable thing to do that doesnt involve me much, and I dont personally like animals much so it was perfectly my style of dealing with things.
But the more I think about it now the more I despise myself. Little girl got enough courage to ask a stranger, adult, dangerous looking man (I'm a metalhead) because she trusted I can help her and the little animal. I should've done so much more, ask more questions about the cat, about if she can trust her parents with the cat situations or if they are gonna neglect the issue (like I did). The issue wasn't the cat there, fuck the cat. It was about the little girl and painting a picture of responsible, helpful adults that she can trust with issues important to her. And I failed her. I should've been alarmed that a girl this small is playing outside alone with stray animals near a rather busy road, where the hell were her parents.
Situations like that show us how we really are and I feel absolutely disgusted with myself. When it hit me I donated 50$ to an animal shelter nearby, but it's not fixing anything really, it was just to in a small way repent for my indifference, to calm my conscience at least a little bit.
49:26 same, but I honestly don't know what to do now, I just can't, I finally got friends, good friends and now I am going lose them all again after just a mere 2 yrs and not even a fun 2 yrs because I was stressed and so was everyone. I still think not having the kindness of friends was better now.
I didn't take Omni-man relating Debbie to a pet as him saying he didn't love her, though it was certainly meant to limit or degrade her importance in that moment. It was part of the "in a thousand years, what will you have?" dynamic he was trying to sell to Mark, that her best case lifespan and their relationship was a fraction of a fraction of his.
I'm embarrassed to admit that I've felt more grief over the loss of pets than other family members lost: pets tend to be very close personal relationships, while I've never really even felt comfortable with family i never lived with or near. My last dog passed at the age of 15, which is old for a large dog, but i was older than that when i got him, and i might still go on two or more times that. I have no idea how i will react to the loss of people I'm actually close to, but it's a chilling thought.
It's painful to grow close to something you can see aging before your eyes and know you will outlast it, so the idea of sticking with your own kind to avoid that situation is functionally sound. The problem with the logic is that you miss the potential ties you could've had, which compounds if you don't end up keeping ties that will last. It's pretty clear to me that Nolan loves Debbie more than anyone else, and maybe didn't have the concept before meeting her. She was the factor that swayed him, and kept Mark from signing on to the viltrumite mission when Nolan tried to force himself to carry it out.
I really like her character overall. She took a lot of punishment this season, so i hope it gets better for her later.
1:14:09 Same, as I grew older I started to admire more my mother and my grandmothers. I love my dad (never met my grandfathers, one volted and the other died way before I was born), but comparing him to those womens I can see he had it easier in some extent. Is not a detriment directed to him, but I could see how those women had to face more shit in their lives.
Actually, The second Velma season was already green lit when the first season dropped...or it was very quickly right afterwards. Point is, people hate-watching it might not have played as much of a factor. Now let's stop talking about it and hope that Velsea2 goes back to fading from the public consciousness so that people can....siigggh get mad at other stupid things...
you are genuinely the first person with a fully functional brain to talk about invincible on youtube. after watching this show I wanted to hear what people had to say, only to realize only weirdos/freaks/people who like mortal kombat exclusively for the violence were the only people talking about this show. you could see a utuber making a vid about invincible talking about a character dying in the most brutal way in this show, only to follow it up with an extremely unfunny sentence that is ONLY funny to your type of people smh.will go "damn nahh that guy got fucking yoinked" or some variation of the same shit in a different toilet.
You should do a Gojo/Sukuna character analysis on the idea of being “The Strongest” that would be interesting.
Do you know worm? It's an amazing web serial about teenaged superhero doing wrong things for the right reasons. It's amazing superhero genre reconstruction.
This isn't to insult you, just so you know, but man your videos do wonders in helping people go to sleep...or at least it's doing it for me.
From what i saw, Debbie looks like she going through some *SHIT*
There are a lot of different ways to look at situations like the one with that puppy. While I'm a firmly believer in not prolonging suffering, it's far from the only factor to consider. That puppy still had a better chance with you than without you. Also it would have likely still suffered for a while if abandoned. Besides that not facing that alone is worth a lot and I'm going to choose believing that this puppy had a better life for having you try to help it, even if just for the company.
When art said Debbie was the strong one he wasn’t lying
Kinda unrelated, but what is the music used here? It was honestly pretty soothing and It's inspiring me to write at the moment.
Same thing I use when I think of it. A free track called Concentration by Kevin MaCleod. I think it's from Incompetech.
@@PlagueOfGripes Thank you so much. Keep up the good work btw. :)
I dont see how altering someone's culture means they are somehow tainted worse than death. The prine directive is stupid.
Probably more so about what sort of culture it would create for the Federation itself. Likely many generations down the line one could see a Federation more focused on guiding pre spaceflight cultures to better fit a Federation mindset and culture, almost like a reverse of reaping planetary life.
That's my headcanon anyway
33:02 grey jedi are the worst, agree lol. Or better yet, people interpretation of a grey jedi.
Dangit! Now I've got to finish season 2
Don't ask me how I did it I just did it. It was hard
Now having watched the whole video. Kinda reflecting on my own work. A fantasy story in which the characters have lost everything, but are "Blessed" with apparent immortality and eternal youth. Their home world is gone, and they are the last of their kind. All the while, the world has moved on. The other people living in it aren't apathetic to the plight of the main characters, but they'll never understand the context that the main characters came from. Decades pass and the main character seem to be going through the motions, having never truly moved on. In turn, they can't relate to the people of this new world. No matter how decent they are. It leaves them wondering what the point of continuing on is. There is more to it than that.
And honestly, the project is far bigger in scope from when I started. But the main point I want to go for is- Is tomorrow worthwhile even though it seems there's nothing for you? Can you live and accept with losing everything you knew and cared about? Or is tomorrow bullshit and it makes no sense to do anything but force the world to conform to your own selfish desires and wants? Does any of this matter because the selfishness of people will cause them to bring everything to ruin anyway? Or, can people be better?
The story will get darker over time, (Not in the violence and gore way, even though I only want to use it to ground the story. IE- swords cut, and maces crush) and by the end, I kinda have to where everything is hopeless. And there is no magical solution to fix everything.
That being said. This is now a multi-book project, so each has their own theme that threads into the greater whole. After an absurd amount of rewrites that amounted to nothing, (focused on trying to make book one perfect), I'm just gonna get everything done first and edit later. Been at this since 2015, no stopping now lol. (Lots has changed over the years. But luckily now, I have plenty to recycle and draw from)
Anywho. Thanks. This was a pleasant watch.
I saw you in an invincible comment section a couple weeks ago and i wondered if you would talk about it
I think Debbie is a good example of how Amber should have been written (not insufferable).
Debbie and Amber feel like "strong female character" written by someone who actually knows what that means and by someone who thinks they know what that means
@@fenris5932 Lol too true.
Eh I’d still say Amber got way too much hate and she’s barely a character in the comics.
@@Santoryu90 she got the appropriate amount of hate considering the shit she pulled the first time she talked to Mark after Noland kicked his ass. "Looks like both of us were lied to" my ass. You cannot compare your two situations and doing so makes you come off like a self centered asshole.
@@Santoryu90 A lot of the characters in the comic are just tropes; they aren't real people. Amber has way more personality in the show and she feels way more alive, but the altruistic perfect goddess the writers try to paint her as doesn't mesh with the way she acts. She's extremely self serving and has little empathy for other people.
It's very easy to hate her, but I think they could've given her a really good arc if they recognized what they had created. Keep the start exactly the same, but later on have Mark lash out at her ("It's always you, you, you! Don't you ever think about how I feel?!" etc...), then have her reflect on her own behavior, realize she's not perfect, and try to change (success or failure to change are both options). I could easily see myself liking her as a character if any of that happened, but none of that happened... so she's just miserable to watch.
I would agree that people seldom make genuine radical changes immediately. Usually when that happens it's something like traumatic brain damage or complete collapse into mental illness.
The only thing i got from this hour and a half long video is that plague got filtered by hobo with a shotgun.
Such a good movie. So over the top and edgy and I loved it
it's the punisher but homeless
I hope all the future seasons won't repeat the same mistakes as the first two. And that they give Debbie more development & screen time. You have my respect for reading the entire Invincible comic books. 👏🏼
14:00 "Everyone is miserable to each other" oh, like family guy?
To be honest, I kinda like when characters bounce of each other, my favorite dynamic is Cartman and Kyle. You can see the absolute hatred those two have for each other, but also how they still hang out, because having someone to fight is also thrilling and keep them sharp.
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I don’t know if you made this but it looked like your style. I saw a picture of a guy and a female anthro bear in bed and the guy said “wow I can see why all the girls choose you” now I can’t find it. Has anyone seen this image? Again I don’t know if you made it, but it looked similar to your style.
Thanks!
There's no "Gray Morality" in Invincible. Omni-Man either conquered planets or gets lumped into the body pile. He eventually caves in to his emotions and abandons the evil empire of the Viltrumites. They even tried to resurrect the Guardians of the Globe with Darkwing being shown to be perfectly alive and was just trapped in another dimension. That twist works because the Comics never showed Omni-Man and how he killed the Guardians. Which is why everyone criticizes that episodes fight scenes heavily because it really messed up the power scaling in Invincible. Seeing Darkwing get utterly smashed doesn't make sense given that in the world of Invincible technology can and will kill Viltrumites. How can these hyper elite warriors lose to one man they knew and studied their whole life? That's why the Comics were smarter and never showed how gruesome Omni-Man can be to his own friends. Darkwings surprise reveal shows he had those caring emotions deep in him all along and why he spared him.
Omni-Man didn't do anything wrong he was literally forced to do it or be branded a traitor against his own people. Being forced into bad decisions isn't "Gray" that's just Evil. That's a messed up scenario to lose all sense of free will and to commit atrocities in your planets name. Everything is so outlandishly and cartoonishly Evil I'm surprised would say that with confidence. Lex Luthor has more nuance than any Invincible character. That's as close to gray as you can get or Doctor Doom. If you're committing worse evil acts than both these men combined you just cannot say "Gray". There's zero ambiguity in Invincible on who's the bad guys and why. They even go as far as to destroy the entire Viltrumite Homeworld because they deemed them PURE EVIL. What Gray? I just see edgy gruesome mutilation amidst a very sub-par story about a wannabe Superman.
But what ultimately makes me dislike it is what the artist said about the story and why his opinion on the story is why Invincible ended much earlier than they planned.
"I felt like I was no longer making a story about Superheroes".
That's why Invincible ended. The story evolved in a way he did not like. Which is coincidentally around the time Thragg decapitated Debbie in the Comics. Which is so weird to think about especially when you see him mocking other comic books.
Thanks!
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I’m definitely here for a video about “Grey Jedi” in the future.
I really like your analyical deep dive into characters. Are you into the ATLA/LOK series? I'd love to hear your thoughts on a character like Suyin Beifong.
Always enjoy your vids. Thanks for making it!
Don't get too strung up about optimized decision making, especially when you lacked sufficient information and time to gather it. At the very least you tried to research the puppy's condition. Doing homework when you have the even the slightest opportunity to do so is always better than an uneducated, knee-jerk reaction.
Hey Plague, you mentioned before that you had a official discord, but I can't find it on your twitch or youtube, do you mind putting a link on your channel or something similar? I would love to join if it still exists ^_^
I don’t think I’ll watch Invincible because of how graphic the violence gets, but you make it sound fascinating.
Thanks for making her stacked
Very good video
This has to be the most american show ever. It loves showing blood, guts and all kinds of disgusting stuff but the moment anything sexual happens the show treat it like its too adult to show it.
She’s a strongly written character. I love seeing a mom like that in a series without using a mom as an introductory plot point.
That final amazon comment is funnier considering I'm listening to this while working at amazon.
I hated the Comic version of Debbie I hated how weird looking she was and I hated the comic in general.
One of your best and most insightful art gripes so far. Thank you Plague.
I see that you've been going through some erecting (of walls).
Show was boring except first and last episode
Good work, Eli. Debbie was a character I didn't realize I cared a lot for until that S2 finale. She rises above so much pain. I want someone to just hug her.
11:39 HAHAHAHA!! Ok this genuinely made me laugh, especially because I had this guy on discord I recently blocked because he would endlessly talk about all his OCs who come from different universes and shit. This video is perfect for me, because I went through this exact thing, someone rambling about this stuff. Its also helpful so I dont do it myself.
Now with a full viewing I can say this was an excellent critique. The human factor is exactly why my partner and I like Invincible so much. Debbie is one of my favorite characters in the show. In the wake of traumatic loss she retains her exceptional character. It's inspiring.
Debbie is strong for not succumbing to the lack of external worth ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
such an odd choice for you, overdressed for sure.
Debbie really did surprise me in the show, having such inner strength, not to mention that she still receives a fair bit of development. I'm sure as superheroic antics become more prevalent she won't be in the show as much, but for now at least I'm glad they're treating everything she's been through with the gravity it deserves.
Sorry to hear about some of the things you've been going through and talked about here, Plague. I feel like I'm on the cusp of having to make some major changes and enter a new chapter in life myself. The 2020s haven't been particularly easy, but at the same time I can't just sit there and do nothing forever either. At any rate, it was nice to listen to this art gripe, so thanks for that.
Can we talk about how the viltrumite officer called on Mark about how the rich and powerful are ravaging the earth and he doesn't stop them?
Like if we take Allens background as truthful, the viltrumites conquered a world that had all their affairs in order, so maybe the viltrumites are full of shit about why they expand their empire (who would have fokin guess). But for the sake of argument, lets take her as a objective judge of character, how can Spiderman, Superman, Batman, etc, argue with what she said?
What are you doing as a super hero at the end of the day? Playing Firefighter? Police? Cowboy vs Indieans? Why can't a super hero fly to Gaza and Ukraine and try to fix the problem there? What about Global Warming or even, income inequality? How come they don't go to support amazon or hollywood strikers?
It is because it would be boring? Or maybe too much power fantasy? Superman went to Europa and nabbed both Stalin and Hitler and hauled them both to the UN to face judgement, and I agree, that shit was cringe, but also... cool?
I would love it even as a B-story, specially with Mark having a friend like Amber. Is he doing enough just fighting bad guys in the physical sense? Kaijus and the like or can he go in a more abstract way?
Dunno, just drinkin' rum and rambling.
Im honestly more shocked Debbie didn’t immediately die from having sex with Omni man. Honestly it’s a miracle that Mark wasn’t the kind of viltrumite who’s powers come at a young age
“Lemme break it down for you mark”
I mean I’m assuming it’s about the same how Superman and Lois Lane can bang and have a kid.
It's pretty obvious he showed restraint otherwise he'd kill her.
That’s the main theory for why almost every other version of Mark in the multiverse is so despicable.
Got his powers at a younger age, so Nolan was able to warm them up to the ideals of the Viltrum empire.
Deb is the goat
41:30 both my mom and dad are the same, the difference is that they both go around and explain their conspiracy theories from a radical left wing point of view. I love them, but they go to far. Both of them want to control their own habitats and explain what goes off their views with is "just a conspiracy".
As an example they use latin american music. How have gotten so bad in recent years and how is just a mean to launder money. They are kinda right, to be honest, but the intent is more mundane that they are willing to admit. People just like mcdonalds, musicians are now entertainers first, musicians second. So is now wonder the music we produce is worse than 1, 2,3 decades ago.
That episode of TNG with Worf and his step brother, always kinda bothered me. The prime directive is generally a good idea, but it's not exactly like it's the fault of those people that their planet was facing a natural disaster a few thousand years before they could do anything about it. And is it better for them to simply die to prevent chance they develop some kind of religion?
Further more the guy who commits suicide at the end because he didn't want to lose his own or whatever, asked "The place was part of us, how will we keep it alive" The obvious response should have been to tell him to tell stories about their ancestral home, as the people were already shown to have a strong oral tradition of keeping stories and myths with generations of story keepers who have to memorize it word for word.
And Nikolai was being treated like he did something wrong here, when it makes everyone else kind of look like sociopaths.
It's not like an earth quake or a war or something those people could have been prepared for better or are responsible for, their planet was destroyed. It's not even talking about giving cavemen technology that could prove a threat to everyone else in the future. They're just being moved to an uninhabited planet.
I'm really curious if they'll get to/do my favourite arc of the comics, the *SPOILERS*
Reboot?! arc, because I can only imagine the general fan backlash to how it ends will be full of normies saying Mark is ruined because he didn't make the "right" choice. But the fact that Mark broke and couldn't do it and wanted his life back is incredibly human to me, and just makes me appreciate him more. Plus the ending of that arc fucking broke me, with Terra's first question literally making me tear up every time
I'm a huge fan of humanising moments like that, which tell us so much about the character and their wants and motivations and how they've developed
Like in Attack On Titan, Eren admitting to Armin that he wants Mikasa to be sad and not be able to move on for at least a while when he's gone, even knowing it's selfish and stupid. That's one of my favourite moments of the series because it's just so bloody perfectly human
And to bring it back to Dragonball, as all things must, Vegeta being the one to suggest fusion in GT is the ultimate moment of character development, and why GT Vegeta is the best Vegeta, bar none
Every video, I'm like: He just like me fr!
But honestly though... It's kinda comforting.
I also really like Debbie. One thing about her that is especially well done is the depiction of duty as a mother but ot is also her choice. When Oliver comes into the story and she put her life on hold again the writers did a good job at not making it feel like " that's just what women do". You see the conflict in her, and her ultimately deciding to take him in because it's the right thing to do. I could visualize 2 equivalent but opposite situations where she takes him in because "a woman's duty hurdur" and also one where "im going to just let this kid get experimented on by the government because I'm a girl boss". Either one of these would have made her extremely unlikable.
I'm a little worried about her character in the future because of a specific plot point that I hope to god they change. But I don't want to spoil it for others like it was spoiled for me
I know. It was just like around the halfway point of your video, but no one fully expected Mark to fight him to the death. He really wasn't expecting mark to hug him because mark was angry
Thanks for this, i needed it today
1:10:30 hey Griper, which are your takes of Jimmy, Timmy, Tweek and Craig in regards of representation.
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I've made similar arguments about modern Fromsofts writing, unfortunately anytime I try to tell people that monotone expository monologues about abstract concepts is not good story telling I get called an "Idiot" and told I'm "Disrespecting Fromsofts *artistic vision"*
I will leave a frw comments asthr video goes, starting here. Foolishly trying to force a good outcome from a complex situation isn't likely to help. That said we need each other so much that a lone person will quickly die without the benefit of society if this is examined with any depth. I do believe we should help each other but thought, discussion, and processing are necessary when time allows. Thete is a balance there but it leans towards helping and empathy. Not childishly simple black and white assessments
As much as I like the core story of invincible, I have to say that 20 years of cape stuff being mainstream has completely poisoned it for me. We do get a little bit of this sort of plot element with Eve in season two but the fact that there are still poor people in the world with superheroes is something that I feel needs to be at the core of any story about superheroes these days. Not saying it’s a bad story in a vacuum more saying I’m so weary and scarred I can’t really enjoy things for what they are in this particular genre.
I was excited when the MCU was first growing in theaters. Now I mostly feel disappointed with the lack of mature storylines. They were a large part of what made Marvel great. The humanity was partially stripped away to fit the new formula. I see so much waisted potential.
36:00 Sorry you had that situation, Plague. I had a similar one with some newborn bunnies. We had dogs at the time and the mother had them in a hole in our backyard. Well, they couldn't really stay there because of the dogs and the lawn mower. I think the mother got scared off and never returned. Well, tried to move them to a tree shelter away from the yard and dogs. Mother still never came back and they just starved to death. I felt awful. Maybe they would have been fine if we just put a little perimeter around them and didn't risk the dogs trying to eat them or scaring off the mother by keeping the dogs locked inside. Or maybe the rabbits would have just starved to death regardless. I don't know and will never find out. You're faced with situations in life whether you're knowledgeable and equipped to handle them or not and have to live with the consequences, fair or not. It's hard to make it through life without taking emotional damage. Life happens to even the most privileged, sheltered people. It sucks, but challenges are a part of the human experience. Sometimes you just forgive yourself your mistakes and move on. Praying you made the best call under the circumstances so that you can sleep at night and live with yourself.
Oh, this is a tamed picture. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
I enjoyed that topic a lot. You're a great speaker. My comment must include appreciation for the shirt gap between the buttons, though. 😂 that can't go un noted.
I love how we see Nolan wipe out a plant so technologically advanced that they could conquer earth in a matter of days in the space of an afternoon. Then 5 episodes later Debbie kicks him the fuck out of her house
Debbies probably the most important character in the Invincible universe due to her impact on Nolan and Mark. Im glad the shows giving her her due
Somewhere in all my mental situations going on, I can feel the fear of future trauma that may never happen for some reason. I can picture everything going wrong so much that I know I would f***ING go if I could save my daughter.