Agree with most of it, but erebor reclaimed is wayyy too low and iron hills is wayyy too high. Iron hills once combat is met struggles because of dain being your only striking genuinely combatty hero, I'm not sure about you guys' meta but he's just asking for a sap then transfix and a 90 point wraith just stops him playing the game. Whereas in erebor reclaimed, yeah he loses the master of battle, but you gain the choice of thorin, gloin, bifur, nori and all of a sudden magic can't really stop you because if they stop 1 they haven't stopped the other (if they stop thorin dain goes nuts or vice versa etc). Thorin is only 45 points more than an iron hills captain when both have full kit, and the potential he unlocks is unreal. You can also soup in survivors captains and hit like 35/36 models with thorin dain laketown captain at 700 which is shockingly high considering the core of your army is thorin dain and fearless dwarves. If you want to be a cunt, and still take the ballista you can also just yellow erebor reclaimed and iron hills. Love the stuff guys! Keep it going!
See you're thinking of Iron Hills as just Dain but one of the main reasons is up there is first up, the Ballista, that bloody thing is cooked, it does so much damage if it's popping off. The chariot can too. But also allying into Army of Thror is another great way to get really good heroes and not lose those options or MOB as well. Tbh maybe you're right on being a smidge higher than they deserve but it is what it is now 😂 -Liam
I will adamantly maintain that you are fundamentally wrong about Glorfindel - the elf is so damn good. But otherwise, thank you both for the content and I think you are both pretty on point with this video's ratings. Always a good watch/listen, and Sean please stay safe out there
Model is sexy 100% even if he's out there looking like a cat. Shame he's so trash and doesn't get seen on the table 😉 Nick F you are one of us, bloody out here stabbing us in the back. -Sean
i rate girion. thats a sweet fricking profile for 80. (always great bow) ranged+combat potential and might. awesome allies for thror. green and you can get him plus 13 warriors+gear (so five bows) for just under 200. or him +an archer for 90. everyone keeps their army bonus and a great answer to army of thrors limitations. you and conquest jacob should play some doubles.
basically gives you double the ranged firepower you get from allied iron hills at same price. edit: typed all this shit out about 10 seconds before you said it all in the video🤣🤣
Girion is my favorite hero in the game as well as being part of my fav army in the game. The dude is absolutely amazing. Fun fact myself and Jacob have played doubles before with Dale and erebor. All the way back in 2020 for at the time Australias largest event arda unleashed. -Sean
Azogs Legion is B- Tier and gets A with hunters. They are just not that good. You can ask any Gundabad player and they say that they are not that great, even if they are cool and fun.
not related exactly with the video, great tier list btw, but on your touneys, when an objective needs to be within 3" of a unit to score, do you usually count the units riding the howdah? last toruney went balls deep into meme list and let player play against a mumak at 500pts, got the spoon, had lots of fun, but that not being within 3 bothered me, also conquest of champions due to the mumak no being "the leader unit", want to know your thoughts. pd: mumak killed 14 ghost , 22 orcs and a hero orc ( that two handed one), frodo and sam,was alot of fun
Nah it's quite clear that the models in the howdah are where they are, it's why throw stones and shooting is all from the model not from the mumaks base. The mumak is its own model with its own statline same with driver so yeah also the contest thing is right too. This is where grappling lines comes in handy and all that jazz Mumaks are great fun but you've gotta pilot them incredibly well/get the right scenarios for them to be winning tournaments -Liam
@@NoobsandMen Yeah conquets of vhampions was quite hard with the mumak warleader vs the broken fellowship hahaha. Next time will try to jump or get a normal mumak with some halftrolls, for a great deploying them in the middle of battle, many thanks mate
why you doing my lad mauhur dirty like that?🤣 boy's catching strays even in th good tier lists now🤣 always does work for me, but you dont get much more from him than a standard uruk captain. which is fair cause thats what he costs. he's two marches and a troop/F4 hero muncher to stick pikes behind.
We do Mauhur dirty out of love, the dude dies to a stiff breeze, I've literally seen him die to a banner. Like I know circumstantial evidence blah blah. But it happens so bloody often 😂 love the dude, he's in my list 8 times out 10 but the man can't take his grog -Liam
Sean: "Ive been to 2 tournaments this year"
I see you're not counting getting bodied in S3 of the Conquest champions league
@@729060 10 games lost 2.
That's not too shabby 😜.
Loving the tier list! Between you guys and Conquest Creations I'm getting talked into starting to play MESBG myself.
Do it.
-Emperor Palpatine
FYI, Dennys is a 24 hour restaurant where stoners, truck drivers and drunks eat at 2AM
Thanks for Tier List. Just got a fell beasts of Mirkwood LL that I need to paint, I don't have high hopes but hoping to have a lot of fun.
It'll be a fun list for sure! Good luck mate
-Liam
Haha Sean Lives!
Amazing🎉 Keep up the good work, lads!
Stop it youuuuu 🥰
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen You know😏 Btw, when will there be an LL version?
We did a legion one a while back but it could use an update honestly
@@NoobsandMen Oh, thanks!
Agree with most of it, but erebor reclaimed is wayyy too low and iron hills is wayyy too high. Iron hills once combat is met struggles because of dain being your only striking genuinely combatty hero, I'm not sure about you guys' meta but he's just asking for a sap then transfix and a 90 point wraith just stops him playing the game.
Whereas in erebor reclaimed, yeah he loses the master of battle, but you gain the choice of thorin, gloin, bifur, nori and all of a sudden magic can't really stop you because if they stop 1 they haven't stopped the other (if they stop thorin dain goes nuts or vice versa etc). Thorin is only 45 points more than an iron hills captain when both have full kit, and the potential he unlocks is unreal. You can also soup in survivors captains and hit like 35/36 models with thorin dain laketown captain at 700 which is shockingly high considering the core of your army is thorin dain and fearless dwarves.
If you want to be a cunt, and still take the ballista you can also just yellow erebor reclaimed and iron hills.
Love the stuff guys! Keep it going!
See you're thinking of Iron Hills as just Dain but one of the main reasons is up there is first up, the Ballista, that bloody thing is cooked, it does so much damage if it's popping off. The chariot can too. But also allying into Army of Thror is another great way to get really good heroes and not lose those options or MOB as well.
Tbh maybe you're right on being a smidge higher than they deserve but it is what it is now 😂
-Liam
This is all leading to a tier list of all your tier lists
Just wait till we tier list our subs
-Sean
I will adamantly maintain that you are fundamentally wrong about Glorfindel - the elf is so damn good. But otherwise, thank you both for the content and I think you are both pretty on point with this video's ratings. Always a good watch/listen, and Sean please stay safe out there
as a fellow Glorfindel enjoyer, i will agree with you! they are wrong, and he is glorious. especially the new model. ;)
Model is sexy 100% even if he's out there looking like a cat.
Shame he's so trash and doesn't get seen on the table 😉
Nick F you are one of us, bloody out here stabbing us in the back.
-Sean
i rate girion. thats a sweet fricking profile for 80. (always great bow) ranged+combat potential and might. awesome allies for thror. green and you can get him plus 13 warriors+gear (so five bows) for just under 200. or him +an archer for 90. everyone keeps their army bonus and a great answer to army of thrors limitations. you and conquest jacob should play some doubles.
basically gives you double the ranged firepower you get from allied iron hills at same price. edit: typed all this shit out about 10 seconds before you said it all in the video🤣🤣
Girion is my favorite hero in the game as well as being part of my fav army in the game.
The dude is absolutely amazing.
Fun fact myself and Jacob have played doubles before with Dale and erebor.
All the way back in 2020 for at the time Australias largest event arda unleashed.
-Sean
Azogs Legion is B- Tier and gets A with hunters. They are just not that good. You can ask any Gundabad player and they say that they are not that great, even if they are cool and fun.
They're still definitely one of the better factions in the game no challenge there
not related exactly with the video, great tier list btw, but on your touneys, when an objective needs to be within 3" of a unit to score, do you usually count the units riding the howdah? last toruney went balls deep into meme list and let player play against a mumak at 500pts, got the spoon, had lots of fun, but that not being within 3 bothered me, also conquest of champions due to the mumak no being "the leader unit", want to know your thoughts.
pd: mumak killed 14 ghost , 22 orcs and a hero orc ( that two handed one), frodo and sam,was alot of fun
Nah it's quite clear that the models in the howdah are where they are, it's why throw stones and shooting is all from the model not from the mumaks base. The mumak is its own model with its own statline same with driver so yeah also the contest thing is right too. This is where grappling lines comes in handy and all that jazz
Mumaks are great fun but you've gotta pilot them incredibly well/get the right scenarios for them to be winning tournaments
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen Yeah conquets of vhampions was quite hard with the mumak warleader vs the broken fellowship hahaha. Next time will try to jump or get a normal mumak with some halftrolls, for a great deploying them in the middle of battle, many thanks mate
Dale does get access to iron hills dwarves with erebor reclaimed
Yeah but that's the bad Dale (according to Sean)
i play a lot versus magic heavy lists and dwarves suck against it... 😅
Dwarves suck at everything expected for tanking
why you doing my lad mauhur dirty like that?🤣 boy's catching strays even in th good tier lists now🤣 always does work for me, but you dont get much more from him than a standard uruk captain. which is fair cause thats what he costs. he's two marches and a troop/F4 hero muncher to stick pikes behind.
We do Mauhur dirty out of love, the dude dies to a stiff breeze, I've literally seen him die to a banner. Like I know circumstantial evidence blah blah. But it happens so bloody often 😂 love the dude, he's in my list 8 times out 10 but the man can't take his grog
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen i dont think he's dropped in the last 6-7 games for me. and pretty much always killed his points+
45:00 😂😂😂
D for denizens…. D Tier for one of the most allied monsters in the game?
Allied in to a list A Tier.
As an army on its own D Tier
@@NoobsandMen that’s fair!