Clan Feuds And The Isle Of Skye Massacre
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The tranquil Isle of Skye has seen much blood spilt over the years in feuds between Scottish highland clans. Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey tells of one of the worst was at Trumpan church in Waternish.
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It's the questions Bruce Fummey asks that make these videos so very profound. Thank God we still have historians like this.
"In the meantime... Let me tell you a story" is my favourite phrase on UA-cam. You just know it's going to be good. And as always, Never a let down Bruce.
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I agree, its the best angle I've ever seen...
I've liked a theme you have been illustrating in some of your recent videos: the cycle of revenge NEVER stops if you take the next act of vengeance. Do those bast**ds deserve it? Of course they do. They deserve no forgiveness! But then... it's inherent to forgiveness that the receiver doesn't deserve it, and that they must have actually done a crime against you. Otherwise, it wouldn't be forgiveness, but just ordinary justice. For these clan feuders, did they believe that they would strike the last blow? If there is no forgiveness, the last blow is the one that kills the last two standing. Lamonts. Cambells. MacLeods. MacGregors. My own Douglasses... No one wins when you don't just let it go and try to build something real, rather than tear down what the other guy has. No one. Thanks for another great one in your series on this theme, Mr. Fumey.
Unfortunately, “TIT FOR TAT” killings have been part of history for many people groups.
As a Campbell I agree with this 100% they only did the English a favor by infighting among themselves.
Haha we’ve got an Eigg Mountain in Nova Scotia, lots of MacDonalds still live around it! It’s nearby Keppoch, Knoydart, Lismore and Arisaig ;) (no joke)
The young lady that “escaped” through that small window was called Mairead/Margaret.
Apparently she scraped the flesh of her breast in the process and was said to have bled to death nearby in a spot now called “slochd Mairead/Margaret’s hollow.”
That’s the story I heard.
I also heard that version years ago!
I'd heard of the massacre of Trumpan, but I didn't know any of the details. My great, great great grandparents had a croft that was listed as being in Trumpan. According to what my mother told me my father said (he died when I was only 7 years old) that he was a descendant of the lords of the isles, so that would make some of his ancestors MacDonalds. As far as I can tell from genetic genealogy, I have both MacDonald and MacLeod ancestors.
Off topic, you were being fitted for a kilt a few months ago. When are we going to see you wearing it?
Neither clan was a rival clan to mine. As a compassionate person, the loss of life is heartbreaking regardless of any affiliations. Thanks for sharing this Bruce ❤️🙏🏻
My family on my grans side are MacLeod of Skye . I live in the isle of man . I was once in a takeaway chatting to a Scottish (Glasgow iirc) MacDonald. We started bantering about how his lot killed my lot, and he was giving out like well we got our revenge or you started it . Anyway the poor Indian guy at the counter pipes up "oh my word was this recently?!" Me and the MacDonald nearly died laughing . Poor fella was baffled
My sister has a place on Skye, not far from Dunvegan. It’s a fascinating place, and as I like to read I bought a copy of Otta Swire’s book on Skye legends. It tells the tale of Trumpan church, along with a lot of others.
The desolate beauty of the island is fitting in light of the truly sad history it has witnessed. Thanks for your masterful sharing of it.
a sad story well told Bruce.
And a question posed we still need to ask...
Hi Bruce. It’s nice to catch up. Yet another interesting story increasing our knowledge of Scottish History. As always, thank you for sharing 🌞
Thanks for listening
My Grandfather. Robert James Nicolson, was born on the Isle of Skye. He eventually moved to Glasgow after WW1 and then to America where he worked in the Chrysler factory untill his retirement. His sister, Katheryn worked at Dunvegan Castle and when I was a kid I used to dream of going to visit Great Aunt Katheryn. The Nicolsons were a sept of the McClouds and even today there's a street in Edinburgh named after them. SO PROUD to be a SCOTT.😊😊😊
Nicolson is clan MacNeacail. MacNicol of Scorrybreac. Originally from Lewis. Well before the Norse showed up.
Very interesting thoughts, especially in light of the conflict occurring in Israel right now.
The 'Massacre Cave' on Eigg is a few 10s of metres from your picture. It has a very small crawling entrance (easy to block) but quite cavernous inside
That will likely be the Cathedral Cave in the picture!
Another great video, with questions on conflict and revenge that persist throughout history and are still very relevant today.
You are amazing explaining this beautiful history, thank you so much x
My pleasure!
You used 2 tripods when outside for a bit of humour. I'm gonna use that trick sometime, thanks.
Isle of Skye. Ynys Hir in Welsh.
You've lost me
With these Friday episodes you are really spoiling us !!
Shit I thought it was Saturday
You forgot to call him Ambassador
last note to end on is very relevant to current events... powerful telling as always
I've been to both of those sites, the massacre cave on eigg and the cemetery on skye, the massacre cave was spooky
Excellent thoughts on revenge Bruce and an excellent story as always
Great timing, arrived at Skye this afternoon :)
Enjoy!
On ferry to Lewis and Harris now, then Orkney on Tuesday. Watching your channel for all the great background and history :)
Poetic close. Thank you. Faire thee well.
A nice video about two branches of my family feuding! You forgot that the MacDonalds had at first stolen a load of sheep from the MacLeods
Sounds as if we are probably related then! I too have both clans in my ancestry.
@@resourcedragon to add to the mix, a dash of Campbell, a smidgen of Hamilton and a splash of Blackwood. I am living proof that Scotland has calmed down in the last two hundred years
Is that why I don't eat at Maccie D's or because what they serve is only poison? There were massacres on both sides. We still have the fairy flag at Dunvegan. Although a proud MacLeod, I harbour no resentment to anyone called MacDonald. For we are all one family of one race, the human race and love is the highest vibration in the universe. Oh and Meal an naidheachd air na fo-sgrìobhaidhean 200k
"love is the highest vibration in the universe" - what a succinct and profound way of putting it. As a Christian convert, who has come to the understanding that "God is Love" is the essence of my faith, and as a person involved in science all my adult life, your statement defines what I feel is the greatest truth about the universe in which we live. "There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning." (Thornton Wilder, The Bridge of San Luis Rey)
Whenever I think of the Isle of Skye I think of Morcheeba, and now I will also think of you, Bruce! AWW NOT BACK IN THE CAVE AGAIN! I'd say "poor Macdonalds" again but I'm just happy to be here. Your videos sometimes make be a bit sad but I also feel so lucky just to be alive and experiencing history. (I'd like to live in a bit less interesting times in America, but what can ya do? besides try to get people to vote)
Here's one for you. Clan Gunn and Clan Kieth. They did not sign a "Treaty" until the 70's, 1970's that is. I think it was 78, but I'm not sure. I am a proud member of Clan Gunn. You should look into that story.
The Battle of (the Chapel of) St.Tears,fought either 1464 or 1478,and yes,the 'official' peace treay was not signed until 1478 [descendant of both clans] ! 😏
Glad this was re-posted. I was wondering what happened to this video. Saw it post early in the morning here, but within minutes it was gone. Anyways, I was wondering if Clan MacNaughton ever did anything historically significant or were they always just kind of meh & only granted lands like Fraoch Eileann & Dunderave castle out of pity?! The more I attempt o research the clan the more I find nothing but the fact that they once opposed Robert the Bruce, then switched sides & then eventually lost everything to the Campbells?!
It's good to see the Isle of Skye again Bruce! It's so very stark and beautiful all at the same time! I've never been there but I had a friend that lived in Flodigarry for years. When he came to Georgia (US), he would show me videos of his family there. He showed me one with the church, and told me of this battle before you did but he left out the cave part! Suddenly, the burning of this church makes as much sense as it makes no sense at all! I don't know what started this squabble that turned into a long-term bloodbath (I've heard it was stolen sheep!) but whatever it was it could've been stopped with an agreement, not fire or a sword. Agreements are harder to do but leave those we love alive! They can also be changed as time passes and needs change. It's a shame that a species that can think thoughts like this are also basically preditors at heart. Perhaps we have to sort those facts out with ourselves first.
Fantastic video congrats on 200k 🎉🎉
An eye for an eye...for an eye...for an eye. It really does make the world blind. Congratulations as well on reaching 200k subscribers Bruce, coinciding closely with your next video which will be number 300!
Ooh, I didn't know that
Ask him about the war of the one eyed woman, while you’re on about an eye for an eye 😉
In 2018 I visited the castle in Dunvegan and they told a tale of treachery where the Campbells were visiting and their party was killed during a meal by the host Macleod clan. This may be a story for a future video. The Campbells get a lot of bad press for the Glencoe event, but I guess it was a common tale around Scotland at the time.
Ne Obliviscaris my clansmen
An eye for an eye eventually leaves everyone blind.
I haven't heard of this story! But rest assured, the Campbells are not to blame for Glencoe - the government was. Those troops were British, and quartered there - not Campbells welcomed in on Highland hospitality. Bruce has a great video about it as well!
The Campbells had justifiable reasons for supporting the new government, but they were not behind this act.
Great story again Bruce, my mums a McLeod of Tongue, ive always thought they are mental compared to us lowlanders....
Great video Bruce! For selfish reasons, I'm abit dissapointed with this story, I'm decended from clan Mackinnon, and I always thought they were from Mull and Skye. I am always looking for stories with the Mackinnons in them, all I can ever find is the clan cheif hid Bonnie Prince Charlie. You always seem to find way more than I can, any chance you could find a Mackinnon story? 🙂 Anyway keep up the grwat videos ✌️🏴
If it comes it comes my friend
We were quite a disceet clan, I think...
@@janetmackinnon3411 Yeah, from everything I'v read, that seems to be true 🙂
What about the Mackinnon Piper going into the Cave on Mull and the 'hairless' Dog?
Fascinating. Well told!
Bruce, I delight in hearing your history stories. I'll be back in Scotland this spring, and plan to spend a little extra time on Skye. Ancestry the McLeod's.
Brilliant
Imagine thinking you've carried out a devastating attack and being pumped up.....only to look around to see the tide has gone out.
..I bet their blood ran cold with fear.
A lot of people here(Melbourne) from The Isle of Skye. Often by fate alone ive met and befriended people and possibly distant relatives with the same origin.
My ancestor(Great Grandfather) voyaged across on one of the first migration ships, the infamous plague ship, The Ticonderoga.
That journey would be an interesting story to be told for the channel(The best UA-cam channel).
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History is amazing, great vid! Can you do one on the Sawney Bean Clan?
Snakefinger did a song of the Sawney Bean saga.
the older I get, the less appetizing both revenge and McDonalds fast food seem. but I did love visiting Skye last time we were over there.
Thank you for sharing
My pleasure
Keep these videos coming. I always look for these stories of small battles and massacres with strong history
We have a dark history! It's filled with Betrayal. When I was a small child I climed upon the sink in the ketchen to get a drink of water. My Grandfather, said. " jump! Ill catch you. " so I did. He let me fall on the floor.
Then he said , "let that be a lesson to you! Never trust anyone! "
Now I have a Scottish lawer Im probably going to fire out of my own discrimination
against our own people because of our history. I tell you its terrible.
German here. Fascinated with Scottish music and traditions. Question: What does the Gaelic inscription on Bruce's sweater mean?
Would love to hear a story about Wilson names, being such a global name now. As a Scottish Wilson I'm often confused about my own history
So the names come outo f the stories rather than the other way round
Informative, entertaining and thought provoking! 🤠
That's the thing about great messages, they're applicable generally and specifically!!! 💜
Some lines from Jud Caswell's song, "The Great Divide"
oh but there's a simple hard solution
older than the oldest grudge you've nursed
someone's gonna have to lay their sword down
but someone's gonna have to do it first
Never knew this one! Clan fueds, who would have them! Well presented Bruce!
nice one on the 200k subs mucker, congrat's
Revenge is a Gaelic man's necessity, but I like to think that most of us would have stopped short of burning down a church.
I read many years ago that the boats had been spotted where the MacDonalds had left them while they carried out their dirty deed.
One of the MacAskill Lieutenants of the day had killed the man watching the boats and had taken all the boats out to sea, where the escaping MacDonalds could not reach them.
If it was just the tide that had gone out, they would easily have pushed them into the water.
Just a wee detail, but it is all part of the story.
To be fair I said I'd tell the story as I heard it
Another excellently told tale.🏴 I'm still hoping you'll do a "last witch" video about Janet Horne, maybe for a Halloween themed video, I would love to see how you would present that tale... Have a great week Bruce
Eventually
Such a tragic tale......this battle for power and prestige is a cancer that permeates the hearts of good people. So sad that people can be so cruel to each other over and over again throughout history. It makes my stomach hurt.
The MacLeods seem to have made a lot of enemies over the centuries. I am descended from the Morrisons of Lewis and Harris, another clan that feuded with the MacLeods.
You are a gifted, wonderfully entertaining storyteller. I believe you could give my brother-in-law a run for his money with your storytelling. He’s legendary for his storytelling, but I believe you’ve got him beat!
Sigh. We Scots have aye been our own worst enemies. We'd've done a lot better throughout history if we hadn't been so busy fighting each other.
The feud, they say, went on for over a hundred years, with countless skirmishes and little raids happening before the escalation that led to Eigg. So much blood was spilt on Skye alone, and much more throughout Innse Gall. I appreciate how you mentioned the Lordship of Isles here, and as a son of Leod, I agree. The fall of lordship was horrible, and its fallout might be incalculable.
That said, I do look forward to more content about the MacLeods, MacDonalds and just the islands in general - especially the MacLeods' roll in the lordship days.
Lovely video. Thank you.
Tragic.
True
It's sad how our people fought one another, im a MacDuffie who were allies of the MacDonald's for centuries , we foughtalong side the MacDonalds for the Bruce at Bannockburn all the way to Culloden . We ended up "immigrating " to America at bayonet point with the MacDonalds !
Your hoodie is awasome
I've learned one of my great relatives in from East Kilbride, Scotland
Skye…, Garloch, Applecross…. All most profoundly beautiful places… that’s coming from a 🥝 🇳🇿… great vids🙏🙏🙏
Another well told story! Also very tragic, though on a lighter note, i noticed many of your stories include mentions of fairies! This i need to read about... sounds like some good mythology
Nicolson/Macdonald of portree, here.
How sad.
I am desended from the Mac Korda clan, now the McCords. Mackorda came from isle of Sky, James MacKorda was the 35th clan chief of same. Died at Killiecrankie 1689. I find no tarton. No flag. NO shield. Nothing. Mist refer to MacLoud, what gives? I can trace them back to the 10 hundreds.
Macdonald's Lord of the isles. Can they be reinstated to self governance of the isles seeing as everyone els is seeking reparation in the world.
The headstone closest to the door of Trumpan Church is that of the ill-fated Lady Grange - born Rachel Cheislie. Her true story could have come straight out of a Victorian novel.
I know. We recorded the ending of a future video whilst there
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I look forward to it.
Hi Bruce, if people know the Skye Boat song, they will be familiar with Eigg.
Revenge can be a wicked thing , often evil deeds carried out on false information , innocents killed for doing nothing .
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Only a reading of poems like Love by Emmet Fox and the Invocation of Peace by Fiona MacLeod (from The Hills of Dream. Pub 1907) answer your questions Bruce, ditto the 'hubble, bubble toil and trouble' of the political clannibalism now under way - the storm before the calm of Independence. May Scotland justly Crown Herself - regain Her Sovereign Independence - give birth to Herself and reclaim The Royal Mile as Her own X
Quite apert from the typical hollywoodized version, it seems barbarity was surely on order throughout all of Highland history.
An uncle of mine from Glasgow (Keelie through n through), being in the Constabulary throughout the 60s and 70s, always maintained that much of the razor gang activity (let's face it, strictly turf wars) was particularly unique to the city because of such an initial influx of Highland people...
🤔... worth considering, perhaps.
Either way, and like as with the account here, it's always the 'innocents' to suffer, isn't it!💔💔💔
('Nother brilliant presentation, btw)😎👌
Maybe - but didn't Sillitoe bring in Highland coppers in the 30s because they'd be neutral where locals might have links to the gangs? (Also because they tended to be bigger and stronger than the malnourished and pollution-ravaged Weegies.)
Say! How about coming to Portland Oregon or Seattle Washington? Spread your self around
The US immigration is much less welcoming to foreign performers
Isle of Skye one of the worlds amazing places
A'reyt Bruce. A day early?
Another sad tale of feuding.
A dark MacLeod in the Skye tale and MacDonalds Eigg-in 'em on.
I was waiting for "Burger King doing flame grilled" after the food references, but then I thought you may think "Not good taste"?
I think I'd taken it as far as was appropriate. Aye on tour you lose track of the days and I was a bit premature
I've always wondered if you were away wi' the fairies. 😉
The Clans are a quarrelsome bunch of people.
My mum is a Mcleod, and I'll never take orders from a Campbell nor a McDonald!!
Seems strange
have some ancestry traced dating back to the 1600's from the Isle of Skye
howdy,,howdy 🤙✌
What is skye called in the Gallic n what does it mean? n thanks fer tha story. a wild place Skye.. musta been hard enough without feuds, t scrape by.
It has two names in Gaelic - An t-Eilean Sgitheanach (The Winged Isle) or Eilean a' Cheò (The Misty Isle).
@@kumasenlac5504 Thanks for that! delighted! Why two names i wonder... named by different folk? why winged? i can imagine the misty part!
@@fugoogle9757 I believe 'The Winged Isle' name derives has Norse roots.
@@kumasenlac5504 thanx fer answering! appreciate it. i'm mad for the meanings behind placenames.
The clans were a bit nasty to each other! I’ve never been to Skye it really looks awesome. 🏴
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Goes to show that revenge and counter revenge is just a never ending vicious cycle. One clan gets a bee in it's bonnet, goes out and kills another clan. Then counter attack, and on goes that wheel. Who wins certainly not those left behind nor those who died. The only winner is Lucifer reaping souls for hell. As for those that were in kirk that day well their souls get to rest. Lot to be said about Jesus's teachings about turning the other cheek, and showing Christian love and forgiveness. As you have pointed out Bruce, Scotland's history is littered with bloodshed, just as much from within as from without. It's usually just a few individuals who will stir up discontent for the many. One only has to look at current politics, to see that nothing has changed, in that respect. We see the exact same thing happen with the Maori tribes from New Zealand, Only difference is those of us who are of Scottish, Irish, Whealsh, and English descent should know better. Since we are descended of the 2 Israeli tribes of Joseph. And so Gods law is written in our very hearts. It appears by what you say is the McDonalds got their butts handed to them in short order for killing Gods anointed.
Do the McDonaids and the Mcleods get along today?
People don't live in clans any more
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Sure, but some must still retain historical allegiances?
It's not something you'd notice here.
I didn't know that McDonalds sold egg 🥚 burgers 🍔. 😂. I know it's a serious video, sorry
“Is there nothing that the Scots can’t do?”
Only if that Scot is super gran.
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Bloody Skye!
Laughing so hard at your Isle of Egg comments.
Macleod and trumpan two words that dont sit well. 😂
Mòran taing mo charaid :)
blame the stuarts ..................again !!!!!!! james 4th was a good king
...if chivalrous to a catastrophic fault.
Thanks, history that didn’t feature in an East Anglian school which was about Angles, Saxons and Magna Carta
Sorry, I didn't understand that one