Miyamoto's Spin-Offs and Dev Team plan - ten years on
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- 10 years ago, Shigeru Miyamoto shared his vision for how he wanted to expand the use of Nintendo IPs by bringing in new studios and developing spin-off titles. This seems like a good point to check in. Please note: although most of this video was scripted before the June 2024 Direct, check the timestamps for updates.
00:00 Intro
00:21 Miyamoto's Plan
15:31 Echoes of Wisdom - Ігри
I think Miyamoto's plan has gone pretty well for most of their 2nd and 3rd party adventures given the sales of Link's Adventures and Dread. The only time I remember this idea failing and it going nowhere was with Star Fox Zero + Guard when Nintendo worked with P Games to make it happen. This didn't have any lasting damage outside of the SF IP going mostly doormat outside of crossovers and releasing SF2 for Snes Mini and NSO. Only this plan stays in place for the future and is honed to near perfection so we keep getting a good flow of games from Nintendo's bigger titles and more chances to revive old ones.
Hear me out: Kirby RPG
I'm on board.
There's never been a better setup for a job system.
@@johnbarrett6835 I want it so badly now...
You just keep enemies in your item bag and eat them to use moves 🤣
Great one! (Given how many genres he's been across, how has this not happened yet?)
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Thank you!
Not really the point of the video but I did wanna say in the case of Amy's hammer, the one she wields is actually a piko piko hammer, which is essentially a type of squeaky toy. Her being given a hammer in Sonic the Fighters was less about making her more action ready and more just playing into the Tom & Jerry slapstick that game was trying to channel, it wasn't until later on that she became more capable as her own character (which felt a bit more appropriate since there was time given in games like Adventure to develop her character)
I do agree with you though that the Tri Rod in Echoes of Wisdom is a perfect way to translate Zelda's strengths as a character into a playable format instead of just giving her the same tools as Link
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"The Wii U will have a rich software lineup" 💀
Not saying it wasn't great and high quality, just not rich in titles
My understanding is that ‘2nd party games’ are from developers who work exclusively for one company (Rare back in the N64 days, etc)
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Since we're playing as Zelda, I wonder if she will be silent like Link usually is. Or maybe this is the first mainline game in the series where the protagonist has dialogue beyond the simple player-selected response options.
Link isn't silent,
you're not supposed to hear his voice when playing him,
I'm willing to bet Zelda will be silent,
the more interesting question is,
will we hear Link talk like in TP since we're not playing him.
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Great video as always
It occurs to me that Echoes of Wisdom seems to be taking some elements from the 2d beta version of Breath of the Wild. The way that fire spreads, in particular, is an obvious visual similarity, so it might be interesting to see if any other showcased features from the BotW 2d beta make an appearance.
I don't want to read into it too much, but the fact they picked the ALttP/ALBW map for Zelda's first adventure has to be very deliberate. It's a map we've already explored twice, in a series defining game, and then the most recent single-player-focused 2d zelda title (albeit, from 2013). So, for them to let us explore that map one more time, it seems like a prime opportunity - in fact perhaps even a necessity for the sake of keeping the map engaging - to showcase all the benefits of the new approach to Zelda in the 2d (or perhaps it would be better to say, top-down) style.
Also, congrats on 10k! Well deserved.
Is it the same map as link to the past? Death mountain seems to be where the lost woods was
They’re definitely using it as a base but there’s some new things too, i wonder where the lost woods will be now
How do you know they are using a link to the past map? It didn't look like it to me?
3:48 Wakey wakey, editor.
What I wanna know is where does F Zone fit into all this? As F Zero hasn’t had a mainline entry into the series since the GameCube release.
Feels a bit too early to say that Vanpool's closure has really impacted HAL when it only happened a year ago, and HAL has yet to release anything since Return to Dream Land Deluxe. I wouldn't be surprised if HAL's been investing in their own expansion as NCL has been doing to help allow for more releases in-between 3D Kirby games, and also wouldn't be shocked if they tried to hire a fair few Vanpool staff. (I'm hoping they snagged their in-house composers, as their work tends to stick out in a good way.)
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6:53 Our Lord and Saviour Super Mario Maker 2
I knew Nintendo would have Batman prep time
Do you have a spreadsheet with your predictions, past and present that you could share with your community? Would be a fun thing to keep track of, especially if there are links to the videos that detail the predictions
Yes, someone else mentioned this. Later in the summer, when I have a bit more time, I'll have a look at ways of hosting this.
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7:13 Mario Kart Tour had a track maker & there was also that Labo Garage
19:47 spit my coffee on this one
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I wonder how long the spin-off strategy will continue. One thing that feels like it's mostly a me-problem is that whenever a spin-off does well I want more experiences like it, like more Nintendo Warriors games or Rhythm Zelda games etc etc, but those development teams want to experiment with their own ideas and won't always be available to make something new. Makes you wonder how viable it is to make games like these for more than one game at a time, since outside development partners will not always have plans that align well with Nintendo's plans.
If only Disney would watch the first two minutes of this video.
disney did the opposite with increasing the number of shows and the budget of each show lol
@@davidtitanium22 that’s correct. They are short sighted clowns.
Have you made a video about Nintendo probably including remakes and smaller games as a way to train teams and create development tools for subsequent new games ? It's very cost effective to have those part of development taking care of (cost wise) by a release with mostly technical work (Prime remaster, link's awakening, Kirby race game, etc.)
I've referred to this a few times but it's not something I've made a discrete video around. I'll look into whether there's enough info I can dig up to warrant a video.
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I would class 'second party' as anyone hired directly by Ninendo.
That's not how it works.
@@user-be3qc7re9o Explain
10:36 I think the issue of Federation Force was one more about bad timing than bad game. People just rejected it because they were hoping for a new Prime game (or evwn new mainline Metroid game), and Metroid fans are very particular. Had the game been announced in the middle of a Metroid resurgence, it would have been considered way more favourably (in a way, not unlike how Samus Returns was better considered after the announcement of Prime 4).
What I mean is, would they have announced a Federation Force port this Direct, it would've been much less shunned, if at all.
14:38 Nintendo considers Run mainline
15:17 M A L O
It’s time to get a Splatoon spinoff
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I think SMM2 felt less fun than the original and gave an overall 'daily chores' vibe that mobile titles have, as well as stuff like Tetris 99 and F-Zero 99, which did this better IMO. Ditching 100 Mario Challenge for the Endless Mario Challenge, and how certain unlockables were tied to doing specific things in that game was a big contributor to me, and likely others not enjoying it as much. Other games. Releasing NSMBUD a few months prior likely didn't help sales, either.
The first Super Mario Maker did indeed have more of a wacky look and feel to it. HOWEVER, as a sequel, I think Super Mario Maker 2 did pretty much everything everyone wanted feom it. More themes, more variants, new style and new elements to work with. It's way cooler to play the levels in it. They feel more like Mario levels
The failure of Metroid Prime Federation Force is two-fold: 1, it's the first title with Metroid released after Other M. Being a spin-off 6 years after THAT wasn't a smart move by Nintendo at all. Chiding fans about them being 'confused' about it was in January 2016 only made matters worse for it. Having AM2R release, and subsequently taken down just prior to FF's release didn't help matters much, even if peoples' minds were already made up. 2, the game didn't look like Metroid, most importantly visually, and to a less degree structurally. Many compared it to Hunters on DS and thought Hunters looked better visually. Structurally, you're talking about a game similar to Triforce Heroes, which released a year prior on the same system. The niche of that kind of audience was already met, and it was lukewarm at best with similar amounts of problems in both.
Hear me out, Zelda MMO
Took your time...
1:08 sorry,but this is ps5 levels of dry catalog