Are Seagate hard drives good quality?
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Wow, so seagate is making now disc brakes
This comment wins the internet
Or vinyl... :)
holy shit it does look like worn out disc brakes haha.
Working in the telecommunications industry (installing, programming and repairing business telephone and voicemail systems) for many years, I learned a long time ago, that is back in the days of IDE (commonly referred to as PATA) drives that Seagate drives were shit. One voicemail system manufacturer, that we use to install and program, exclusively used Seagate drives in their systems, well after 4 or 5 years of continuous use, the drive would fail. This became such an occurrence, there would be days we would get calls for 2 or 3 of these systems failing (we had over a 100 customers with this particular brand of voicemail system). When these systems started failing and we recognized that it was a major issue with the drives and we found out the voicemail system manufacturer had set up the systems to only work with their original hard drive, making hard drive replacement next to, if not literally, impossible, we offered our customers with these systems a special deal on replacing them with a voicemail system from another manufacturer before the old system died, only a couple customers took us up on the offer. I don't who started it but when these drives began failing we were calling them "suckgate" drives.
seagate is now making brake discs FTFY
A hard drive so secure it erases itself at random.
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Dude that ain't random if the platinum is worn away it's always in this spot
In German we joke about Seagate because it sounds like "Sie geht" which means "she works" so you never know, maybe Seagate, maybe Seagate not.
Im not German, but its funny as hell :D
Not just that, one could also read "sie geht" as "she's gone", which again, fits the picture :P
@@niikon or "she goes"
Loll
different meaning in javanese too haha. si get
this is why Seagate brags about free data recovery included with their drives... they know they won't be able to recover anything.
Lmao
Looks like worn brake rotors
Take this with a grain of salt, the video is about laptop drives which are known to be shitty for a long time, from everyone, but especially from Seagate. The 3.5 seagate drives are solid, particularly the higher end ones like Ironwolf. Definitely better than WD Red, now that they admitted to lying about them being CMR when they weren't, to me included.
@@em4703 I really am just finding out about this seagate dark background. I have a working, intense gaming and editing used seagate pipeline 1tb 3,5" for almost 5 years, I even can't remember how much I paid for it and it's working fine as ever, Crystal Disk still labels it as healthy.
@@cesaramaral7007 I recommend much more using Storage Spaces or software RAID than hardware one. It sucks when a HDD array you trusted the most fails, and you are unable to recover your data because the RAID controller have some picky thing preventing to do it.
If you snort that dust, all your memories will come back.
Morgue Aunne LOL
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Hello from Germany.
Back in the 90s people started calling Seagate "Sie geht", which translates to "she's going (to die)".
im from Hamburg me too ... :D Western digital red server and black for all , for life...
Giggles
@@DAVIDBLADE94NVIDIA I bought dozens of WD black and WD raid edition drives. Most of them died shortly after the warranty expiration, so I hate both WD and Seagate. The last one WD died just few days ago. It was 6 years old 4Tb WD black (WD4001FAEX). So far I have zero failed drives from Hitachi, but there are much less of them in work.
@@DAVIDBLADE94NVIDIA For regular consumer use, WD Blues forever. Not once has one failed on me in 10 years. I have a 2048MB Western Digital Caviar Blue drive from 1992 that works with zero issue and nearly no noise. I actually put it in a more modern system accidentally and installed Windows XP on it before noticing the small drive size which was the only giveaway of it's age.
@@WalnutSpice I also have two blue WD from 2013 and they work great ... for gaming I think it is better because it uses less CPU% ...
Me with a Barracuda HDD: **sweats nervously**
I know how you feel, i also have one
If it's quiet you're probably okay, noisy drives fail faster
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The baracuda line are good hard drives. I have 3 in my PC for years and no fail. But also, backup your data no matter what you're using. It'll fail eventually.
Barracuda are good drives
I love how you did the Metal Gear alert when you pulled the top off, expecting that we know what we're looking at. lol.
damage was instantly obvious fam, lol!
It is supposed to have a mirror finish on it. As soon as he took the top off my head involuntarily recoiled
All this time, I've thought that was the davie504 noise.
OS: "It's time to free some space on your HDD!"
Seagate: Hold my beer...
that made me spit out my food...
Seagate: Hold my disk...
Hold my head*
Alright their HDDs suck, but what about their SSDs? It's not the same thing, so I'm curious.
Cybernik The Robot Wait, Seagate makes SSDs? I’ve never heard of them. I’ve only heard about WD/Sandisk, Samsung, Micron/Crucial and some minor manufacturers such as Adata.
"Warranty void if truth is exposed."
Intel's way of thinking...
@@ever611 or Apple.
trafficracer24 or samsung
@@parmeets5273 nah samsung's fine
D Dl Samsung won’t fix your phone if you go to them with a phone that had been opened before/ attempted repair
I've had Seagate NAS drives in my storage system for years with zero issues.
Most 2.5" mechanical hard drives are trash. Especially when these drives are put into more mobile computers or external storage. People don't understand to not move mechanical drives when in operation! That would cause this type of damage.
And this is exactly why I use ssd's for my main external drives. I only use hdds for long term storage
I... I did not know that.
Also why won't my extended storage format on my ps4 anymore
Maybe laptop manufacturers should stop selling laptops with mechanical drives knowing that most laptop owners don't understand how fragile these are.
Most people don't move their laptops when these failures occur. NAS drives are made for storage only that's why they're not used as main drives. They're neither as fast or as reliable as a standard HDD. There is no quality difference in a 2.5 vs a 3.5 drive either and I'd challenge you to prove that with real numbers as opposed to your opinion which is all it is.
@@bestplans9051 well unless you prove your opinion, yours is too, just an opinion
"So, kind of like Apple, they bring in business , because they're bad products"
Lol
Their hq's are in the same City.
General Technology 🤔
They are bad tho
me: looking at my 4tb Seagate harddrive
....
Your harddrive: looking at you.
It will be fine this is about shitty laptop drives
Ludwig 234 I dunno, I’ve had two 3.5” Seagate drives die on me after a little under 2 years, and a little over two years. Switched to WD since then. I’ve since become a lot more cautious about backing up my data, but my drives are still going strong at 4 years.
I look at my 4TB 5 year-old Seagate as well. I tip my hat to it and thank it for it's flawless and fast services as it continues for another 5 years.
@@rhoharane then you might want to look at the grade differences. Maybe your Western Digital is a black edition. It sounds to me like you upgraded to a higher component drive. So you can't compare the two. It's not about brand battles. You would never compare a Shelby GT500 to a V6 3.6L Camaro RS.
Linus: accepts drives from Seagate.
2 days later...
"all of our data is gone! (again!)
@@oz_jones My thoughts exactly now.
Western digital is noice because it lasts for 6 years
Dude
One 16tb ironwolf pro drive is 1000$ there good quality and they chose an arm and a leg and you're dick
@Titan Mechanism "it never happened to me, so it means he is wrong".
@Titan Mechanism there is data showing Seagate drives have a higher failure rate compared to other companies
I always used Seagate Barracuda Hard Drives and I never had a single issue with them. I still have three 4Tb Seagate Barracuda Hard Drives in my oldest PC (they are 6 years old now) and they still work flawlessly.
When buying Seagate drives, follow this rule of thumb:
Do not buy Seagate.
Soooo, WD good??
@@maestreiluminati87 WD is a lot better.
@Darnell T. Russia doesn't manufacture hard-drives.
The reason why that Seagate is sending drives to LTT is because they can't sell them.
🤣👍
@@alexderpyracc4053 a big derpy 👎🖓
Enterprise grade hard drives are designed and built to last compared to Consumer grade hard drives. You’re right about Seagate giving away LTT their most expensive enterprise grade Iron Wolf hard drives. In the hopes that the ‘brand image’ would rub into the cheaper consumer grade Segate hard drives that a novice budget PC builder would buy.
LTT is garbage these days.
@@ar1fur what makes you think that?
The best way to avoid data recovery is to backup, backup, and backup. I learned that the hard way 12 years ago.
Just make sure you're not backing up to Seagate.
IronBat lmao. Made me laugh. Thanks mate.
IronBat stares at 500gb laptop drive.
I backup to two different Seagate Barracudas all the time. No problems. I've never had a problem with a Barracuda.
I backup my documents to an old external hard drive that I don't trust at all and may fail at any time... But hey, backup is backup, which one will fail first?
I KNEW it! I’ve only had one hard drive fail completely since 1995, and it was a Seagate that was less than 6 months old. I haven’t gone near their products ever since. I’m not a computer expert, not even close, but that experience pissed me off so much I’ve held my ground. The minute or so of vindication before typing out this comment made it all worthwhile.
Pretty certain that every single hard drive I've had fail has been a Seagate.
whssy Same here
Every single WD I bougt failed after two weeks, replaced them with sesgate and have no problems anymore^^
@@babaschrimps4097 uhm what
I got 2 dead Seagate Drives that are only 2 - 3 years old while my 9 year-old Toshiba hdd is still strong even if I unplug the power cord from the wall, it doesn't get corrupted.
Must have a virus corruption,use disk genius to reconfigure drive .Most so called hard drive failure has been down to virus corruption or if used as an usb external not being rejected for proper removal as most people just rip the usb lead out not realising causes corruption
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To everyone saying their Seagate has worked perfect for years understand that not every electronic fails. Even electronics that known for failing usually have the majority of them working as intended.
The thing is when it comes to drive repair statistics Seagates are the most common so must mean something is wrong with them. And the way they get damaged prevents them from being fixed easily and the drive recovery company wants to commit suicide
Correlation does not imply causation. Be very careful!
I’m a System integrator I use mainly Seagate thousands passed through my hands an no kind of issues compared to WD.
@@stevethea5250 Yes, indeed. IT DOES DEPEND.
In the mid to late 90's Seagate and Asus Failed me, long before I expected them to. I stopped using both companies products. Many of my friends never had problems. Glad for them, I however I had issues. Sometimes it is you and a product. I stick to what works for me. I will even recommend their products to other people. Most people have no issues with Asus.
@@rlmtech And even if they DID fail, corporations are running raids with multiple independent location backups. A few bad hard drives is the least of their worries. I trust you know this but it's to emphasis.
I have been using hard drives from several brands for over 25 years. Of all the brands I had, only 2 still working till this day:
Hitachi & Western.
3 years ago bought a 1TB Samsung drive, it broke after 1 year and you can hear some weird noise of something that got lose.
Have in mind I am a PC enthusiast and I do not own or work at server stuff. This were drives used for normal PC operations for daily use.
I have 4 drives that I replaced because there were getting old and low space, of WD, 3 of 500gb and 1 of 250gb, these drives have over 10 years and they are excellent. I just put them aside because I got a 4TB western digital drive, blue.
There are a lot of speculation about the false marketing of WD about the red drives for NAS, still, I always consider WD drives of great quality. I really advise everyone to buy western digital.
As for SSD's, well... they are just chips in a pcb, time will tell.
confirmation bias, everyone was like seagate bad years ago so I only bought WD drives....and guess what? only WD drives died on me because I only bought WD drives
When I first built my nas I used a mix of drives. All the Seagates started having issues with SMART tests and getting kicked from the raid. I've replaced them with all WD and haven't had a problem since. I know it's a super small sample size, but WD has done right by by me. I fairly recently chucked some WD drives from 2006 because they were just too small to really be relevant anymore.
In the last 20 years, between my home computers, and the servers/workstations I maintain for work, I've had 1 WD, and 1 HGST drive die. Meanwhile I've had 10 Seagate drives die. Worst offenders have been the Savvio drives.
In EVERY instance where we've had multiple Seagate drives fail (one machine we were replacing the Savvio drives once every 2 years) we've replaced them with HGST or WD drives and the reliability problems have completely disappeared.
speaking as a freelance pc technician, these seagates are by far the most common data recovery job. my customer base does not have exclusively seagate drives, so this is not likely selection bias. of all the drives i get from trade in laptops, the WD black and blue drives almost always pass our tests to validate them for resale, but these seagate rosewood drives often do not.
that being said, if you have a seagate rosewood and it hasn't failed, that's awesome! just remember you are a sample size of one person.
I've had Seagate, WD and Samsung HDD's, only had Seagate HDD's fail, my WD and Samsung drives were very reliable and lasted several years with heavy use. I'm definitely seeing a trend here.
Backblaze publishes their hard drive failure rates. www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/image2.png
Had a WD 1TB Black 3.5 failing smart under warranty and WD sent a 2TB Black refurb back as a free upgrade with less than 10 hours.
I have a WD 1TB, didn't drop it or anything.. Somehow stopped working and computer won't read it. 10/10 quality, wouldn't recommend.
WD's quality has gone down hill to some degree over the past decade or so, but it's nice that they at least maintain their excellent customer-service. They are one of the only companies I was really impressed and pleased by. 👍
Referb drives a lot of manufacturers reset the hours on them.
@@user-vn7ce5ig1z I subbed to Datahoarder on Reddit, so I wanted to start off collecting/archival early on, and wasn't sure which one to get so I went with Seagate. Didn't even last two years. lol. I'm not sure how to check if it's actually functioning.
@@user-vn7ce5ig1z , I noticed that as well. It all started after the hard drive shortage from the floods in Thailand in 2011.
I've lost over 9 seagate drives and my single WD black from like ages ago is still working fine.
Why did you keep buying the same brand when they kept failing? Are you insane?
yeah I only buy WD for hard drivesright now it's WD for hard drives, Samsung for SSDs
@@moistjohn Same... But I choose Samsung SSDs for performance and WD for cost... My HDD just stores games, nothing important that I can't redownload through Steam and other stores...
i have burned trough 2 seagates and 2 wd greens ... now with blue and black the life's good ... put a reliable ssd and storry thickens :)
Why say over 9 drives? Was it 10 drives? So why not just say 10? "Over 9 drives" lmfao
how long does it take for that damage to occur? I have a seagate backup drive that I use once a month or so to save files. how long should I expect it to last?
Hey i got my Seagate external HDD. The drive always get an error message about I/O panel, cannot be format and more. Any method to repair it?
Me: watching this
Also me: Looking at my 3tb Seagate Barracuda
Edit: tks for all likes guys
I think the 3TB hard drives have a higher failure rate as well
Mr Thief its on my list
@@p71_caleb I have three 2tb seagate drives and two 3tb drives. Both 3tb drives died, and were like 2 years newer than the 2tb ones that are still going strong. So yeah you are right, I think 3tb ones have a higher failure rate.
I have a 3TB Barracuda, but it's one of the new ones.
Have a pc a friend gave me with 2 2tb seagates one is dead if i hook it up the pc will not even boot and windows isnt even on that drive, just installed an ssd to get the data off the other one before it dies
>Looks like Louis
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>Must be Louis
I thought Louis had stopped doing tech-videos and only did lengthy philosophical stuff these days
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What country is your flag from? I've seen it around but it doesn't look familiar.
Who's louis
Sanderen X Louis Rossman. Runs a repair shop and services a lot of Apple products. Hates Apple products because they design them to be difficult to repair etc.
So what what drives are best? I need it to be 7200rpm. I own several Lacie drives and currently trying to recover my 4T drive (d2 thunderbolt model). My porche design still works fine
10 years ago I got 2 hard drives, 1 Seagate and 1 Toshiba, Toshiba is still running and never faced a problem till date...and Seagate just stopped working within 2 years...and I don't even know why! This video made a lot of things clear
I have a wd enclosure that came with a segate in it.
@@jacoblysinger lol
I’m in IT and quite stereotypically, I have owned countless hard drives. The only ones that have ever failed in my personal PC were made by Seagate. The worst of which is a 3.5” Barracuda 7200.11 that suddenly failed as I was busy backing it up to another drive that I could finally afford. So I now have a dead HDD with thousands of videos and photos the times when I still enjoyed life. How ironic.
Also in IT (probably a lot of us in this audience really), also have had more Seagate failures than other brands (but have had WDs and Connors and Quantums die). Seagate was known to be a lesser quality brand than some back in the early 2000s (which is not when I first got into computers, but the thing is, back in the 90s, I did not even think about the reliability of hard drive brands). I feel like they got really popular when stores started running all these deals to get a Seagate drive free after rebate. It was always crazy to buy them in my opinion because data is worth more than the disk and you could just have bought an actual good drive from a brand like Samsung (back when they still made HDDs and they made the best HDDs of all) - or at least WD. But many, many people went for the free after rebate thing (and probably never even mailed out their rebate forms). I think Best Buy was probably running that sale practically constantly for a good couple years.
Seagate's reliability, like WD and other brands, has fluctuated over the years, but generally seems to stay below WD. I was unfortunate enough to buy 3 Seagate 3TB drives, after not having used Seagate drives for probably a decade, as many people told me the problems had been fixed. The 3TB generation turned out to be one of the least reliable from Seagate in many years (Backblaze data that I later saw on those 3TB drives confirmed this on a larger scale). 2 died within a year or two and I got 1 of them RMAd. Ugh. The only thing less reliable than a Seagate drive is a refurbished Seagate drive.
Well I can't buy Samsung HDDs anymore but I just bought a couple of WD 10TBs. Seagate wasn't a consideration, and wouldn't have been even if the free-after-rebate deal still existed.
@@korgied I got some Seagate laptop drive lying around, kinda had to use them because they come with the laptop.
However, when I am buying for my personal rig, I buy WD/HGST HDD whenever possible.
in IT 25 years and have seen about the same failure rate for comparative drive types across most of the manufacturers in the modern era . cheap drives fail . wd blue and green fail a fair bit . things like the old 2.5' 300/600gb SAS enterprise drives from both companies seem to just go for ever as a percentage of drives in the field .
@@korgied ive got 4 x 3tb barracudas in a nas for the last 7 years 24/7 still soldiering on right now .
@@AlistairMaxwell77 You have great common sense 👍 It is across ALL companies to have failure rates and reliability/unreliability concerns. I started as a computer tech straight out of college. I have 40 years experience with all brands and grades of storage drives. I've also worked in RMA for a few years nit long ago. WD has a failure rate of 4.84%. That is really good. And Seagate has a failure rate of 2.28%. That is incredible.
From my extensive experience what makes a piece of hardware worth buying or not isn't the brand stamped on to it. It's the grade of the internal components and how well it was engineered. Look at ths Ford Pinto then the Ford Escort. One was garbage, one was bulletproof. Look at the Hyundai Pony and the Hyunai Accent. One was bulletproof and one was garbage. It's not rocket-science people.
i do game console repair, and 90% of the time im replacing a failed seagate in an xbox 1, ps4
But how many of those consoles came with a non-Seagate originally? It's confirmation bias if Seagate was the drive that came in the consoles by default, because there is no control to compare against.
@@BrBill
Yeah, Im curious too. Do PS4's ship with Seagate drives?
I do a lot of PC repair and it's always a Seagate like I might have had a few Hitachi drives but that's it
In Switzerland we say "Si gäit, si gäit nid" because "Si gäit ..." sounds like "Seagate" and translates to "It is functioning, it isn't functioning" 😅
Now I know why 😂
Wow you're so funny man you should be a comedian GOD DAMN.
Lol good one
@@adrianilabej317 it is in German, but Swiss German (Schwyzerdütsch) is slightly different than the one spoken in Germany
@@adrianilabej317 Swiss German (spoken in Switzerland) is not the same language as German (spoken mostly in Germany).
And the way I wrote it is not defined like in a Dictionary. We write Swiss German as we say it, so you would find a dozen different ways to write it. 😉
@@shahabsamkan4027 I know, thanks ✌🏻😉
if you look at the outer circle indentation on the metal plate, its right above where the smudges are on the platter... could that indent/bevel be pressing onto the arm or platter, causing extra friction?
Seagate used to be so good, they just went to total shit after the Veritas acquisition...a data protection company.
Seagate have been shit since the late 90's
@@ae5668 I agree. To many issues back in the day with seagate and my faith was wiped, and after the ibm deskstar failures it was western digital from then on out. Is WD perfect, nope, but I have been lucky so far.Which reminds me, I need to replace my WD green drive that is too many years old for my liking(pushing a decade but it's not accessed much). SSD's these day, I stick with Samsung or Crucial. HDD, Western Digital.
or after maxtor acquisition?
@@ae5668 I've had more WD drives fail on me than Seagate
that doesn't chronologically make sense,
seagate was already fucking shit in the '90s, and once they took over maxtor, the other manufacturer of overheating, failing thrash i knew they were off te table for good.
i have been able to save the data from each and every one of my WDs and samsungs, the seagates just instantly died.
I have never had a HDD fail. I shouldn´t have said that, now they will probably all start dying ;)
Nostra Dumbass that’s the only component that has consistently failed on my PCs. Idk if it’s due to virsuses as they’re from business computers that ran 24/7 and had employees watch random crap on them.
I've had seagate and maxtor fail, not had a WD fail yet they outlive my need to expand my storage.
@@marksemple297 I have a 10 year old WD Green that's failing.
It happens when you USE them
@@TopiasSalakka That would be the green design. They tend to perform aggressive head unloads which causes the actuator to wear out quite fast (relatively). WD has a program to adjust the default idle timeout: wdidle3.exe
I am writing this on a computer that has Seagate HDD
Edit: I checked it out, it's Maxtor from 2005
So you're double fucked lol
@@amandasantini6265 late maxtor by the end were quite reliable but the ones from the 90s had bearing issues and magnetic media failure
Maxtor is good but the new seagate is shit into 100
I replaced my Maxtor a few months ago because it was super slow and had 3 bad sectors and 65k delays, so I thought it would be meaningless to install a fresh Windows. I put a Toshiba MQ01ABD100 from my sistyer's dead laptop, it works like a charm
My mom’s laptop in my childhood had gone through 3 hard drives. Laptops back in the 00s even with low spec hardware gets quite hot which causes platters in the hard drivers to expand resulting in the possibility of a head-crash or stuck platter even if it’s the most reliable 2.5 inch hard drive in the market. Also some laptop manufacturers such as Toshiba incorporate a protection algorithm that parks the hard drive heads whenever the laptop is suddenly tilted or jolted.
I think Toshiba might have extended that to their external drive controllers as well. No way my oldest one is still running after over a decade without black magic
My trust on Seagate failed when I lost data three times due to corrupted drives. Not buying Seagate anymore.
You should trust no hard drive ever. If you don't have 3 copies of your files, they are not backupped.
I bought a seagate external drive for my ps4, it got corrupted, had to reset the ps4.
Same here.
In 22 years of HARD use on my drives, Ive never had a WD caviar drive fail in any way, I run them hard, they are on 24/7, for about 2-3 years then retire them as a backup archive.
I had that with western digital. Fuck that brand. Seagate all the way
Am I the only one who has used seagate for years and never had any problems?
Edit: I use the barracuda series
Baccaruda?
@@EddieGooch If the real thing don't do the trick.
Simon No you’re not. it just depends on the model and not so much the manufacturer imo. I’ve recovered and repaired my fair share from about every manufacturer.
The oldest drive in my system is a Seagate 1TB, installed in Sept 2015. It's also worth noting that it runs on average, 2° lower than my Transcend, Samsung and my Western Digital drives which are all at least 2 years younger. Also, as my Transcend 128GB is my windows 10 disk, my Seagate runs the majority of my programs including Steam/games and audio production software. It has become my workhorse and I'd buy another at the drop of an hat.
Old seagates were fine...I'm still using some from 2013; now they're to be avoided, having had three crash.
Hi I have such a disk. Where the handle was destroyed. I'm trying to get the disk out. Unsuccessful Can you show which tools can be removed?
What about WD easystore drives (the 2.5 inch ones)? Are there any issues with those? I just wanted to know because I just got one of the 5 TB ones.
Oops, I’d better backup my 6-year-old Seagate with 9 bad sectors!
Is the disk still in active use?
Are the bad sectors increasing?
If you can answer both with _yes_, then backup. The drive is degrading and won't last long.
Nvm, *always backup*. More than once, in more than one way at more than one location on more than one type of media.
12 years on mine, no errors.
@KMac Exactly. Backup procedure should be like the boot procedure. One wants to use their computer they have to boot it. If you want to NOT piss and moan about a drive failure, you should make backups part of your daily regimen.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight yeah. such as automatically
if you dont have multiple back ups you dont have the data
@00:34 as soon as you said "look at this damage"...
... that Flextape commercial popped in my head. :-P
NOW THAT'S ALOTTA DAMAGE!!!
New product "Flex Spray" Just spray it into your hard drive enclosure and put the lid back on. Then you can take it out fishing and it will not sink!
How dare you compare this peasant to our lord and savior Phil Swift
These days I stick to Toshiba honestly. They're generally good performing, cheap for 7200rpm and reliable from everything I've seen and experienced.
I do miss Samsung making their own HDDs though, I've still got a Spinpoint F3 1TB working as a boot drive for a Windows XP retro rig. Not too slow for spinning rust, honestly.
Get an ssd, Samsung is the best in this department
@@cjfromgtasanadreas I've already had an SSD as my main drive since ~2010. But they simply do not match up for capacity.
I still have my spinpoint f3 and it kind of still holds to this day after 8 years. No b
bad sectors and still pushing for 140 mb read and 121 mb write. It is the best hard drive that i have. I am now planning to invest some money into some HDDs but the opinions are so divided and they just disorient me more than I already am. I am undecided beteeen seagate, toshiba and WD because the prices are almost the same here in Romania
@@NarciisJr I'd go for Toshiba or WD over Seagate for sure these days and as I said in the original comment, I've had good experiences with Toshiba thus far. :)
My Samsung failed as well, only one I had. WD and Toshiba I've had best experiences with. Hitachi as well.
I have hardisk external Seagate 4TB, and somehow it brakes when i copy the data. it says Windows can't recognize it and the device is malfunctioned, did my hard disk have a chance to survive? or it is gone forever?
Me 4 years ago after an old seagate fails: SEAGATE BAD WD GOOD
Everyone Else: Seagate good (think they read into the marketing material too much
Me 3 years ago: ok, whatever, they are cheaper, but i'm still buying WD
Me now: *sees this video* I was right all along.
I haven't trusted seagate since their 10GB IDE drive-in-a-sleeve fiasco - seems that distrust has also been justified after the last couple of decades
I never had any seagate drive. The reason is that during my high school - university years I was into PC fixing and whenever I got a PC with dead HDD I could bet the money I would get for the fix that it was eather seagate or cheep samsung... and 99% of the time i was right...
Good old times when Seagate gave 5 years of warranty on all products. Haven't bought them since they stopped.
I only had a WD drive fail on me. But it was because of a fried circuit board.
TreeMobile. Only had portable Toshiba and WD drives fail like this. But portable bus powered drives I usually expect to fail anyway
In Germoney we have a saying:
Sie geht, oder sie geht nicht.
(Seagate, oder Seagate nicht)
((works, or doesnt work))
Das is ja ein ganz neuer Blick
A few other translations could be: "She starts or she doesn't start", or "She abandons (you) or doesn't abandon (you)"....
You could replace "gehen" with several English verbs, i. e. "go", "leave"....
btw: GerMONEY...LMAO!
In "Germoney" you had a country that was once Germany... Federation of many smaller entities, and it was defined by interests of the many. Now you call it Germoney. And you have plenty of people who decided that they can damage property of others, break laws to get to "Germoney", where it is "Germoney, ger money, free money" and they can earn more as welfare benefits, than several people who has to work for that income. I am sure these working class people now became "xenophobe" for not liking this picture for a reason.
But for Many years, if it was "Made in GerMANY it worked for MANY years", was serviceable, was good quality, and this led to integration. Right now, "we have to employ these people for integration" and or "we prefer this cheap labor" any many other issues led to a new "GerMONEY" that runs after money without providing the quality. As you can't expect German precision and German attitude from plenty of people, often the saying "Sie geht, oder sie geht nicht" describes German products, which feel bad.
Thank for proving that Germans can be funny after all.
@@Eleriona Quality control is dictated primarily by the company and the decisions they make; design, tooling, process. It's the company which is running after the money with their decisions. The idea that they "have to" hire anyone is within the framework of EU law where the requirement is to select the best qualified person for the job - irrespective of any external factor. Want a job? Git gud. Blaming foreign workers with, gasp, "ungerman" attitudes for "taking our jerbs" is just dog-whistling bullshit. The post-war German economic miracle depended on immigrants.
which screwdriver do i need to open up that 5star screws? can someone pls help?
Does anybody know if this Drive is used in the LaCie STFR1000800?
These vids are so interesting and a nice change of pace, keep it up!
5 year ago, I was building my gaming pc with a tight budget of 700$. After reading almost all the reviews of all hard disks from big companies that were available in Flipkart.com (India's biggest e-commerce site at that time), I found out that seagate had huge corruption rate on all their drives, WD had lowest to none. Other companies had almost no reputation in consumer drives, so they had less reviews to compare with.
Decided to bought WD blue. Went to a local store. They didn't have wd blue in stock. So they recommended wd purple (which is primarily made for surveillance purpose, not for random read & writes in pc) but I had almost 0 knowledge about this specific drive and even on the nas, enterprise thing.
So I bought it and using it since 2015 without a single error till now. Played countless games, rendered thousand hours of footage, all from this single drive. Still it's working flawlessly.
Currently using it in my new 2019 workstation pc beside Samsung 960 pro m.2 and two Wd 4TB & 2TB external drives for huge vfx works.
WD never disappointed me.
Can you please tell us tour Read writes speed? Of your purple wd
Personal experience with few drives doesn't mean much, but if we are comparing personal experience my 10+ year old Seagates are still going strong, even after more than 18,000 miles by car and years of power on time. I run them hard with virtual machines and other intensive tasks.
I'm not saying one brand is more or less reliable. I'm trying to say that a fair comparation must be done at a larger and more scientific scale, such as the reports from Backblaze.
Me too. Always on WD except when it is a SSD for the OS (with Samsung and Crucial as favorite brands).
@@GeekHead1000 exactly, people fanboy way too loosely with just a few bad experiences.. truth is, all things are faulty and will fail in time. quality control and the way it was constructed. Seagate and WD are good brands for hard drives, just pick the right ones and ALWAYS make a backup, no matter who u think is more reliable.. either drive on either side will fail, be it on arrival or in years time
never had a problem with any seagate drive
wd drives seams to go belly upp for me tho even got a dead wd green 2tb in my computer atm i really should shut my system down some time and yeet it but atlest now that its dead it dosent sound like a combine harvester any more
some friends have 0 problems with wd but thay cant keep a seagate drive alive for more then 6ish months in ther systems
When I saw you open that cover, and saw those smudges, I screamed a little bit (out loud)
I have that hdd with manufacture date from oct 2019 and I was wondering if they tried to fix these common issues with newer drives from that rosewood mobile line?
Mine works fine so far, but after watching this video im a little bit worried even though I use it in ps4 so I got nothing important to lose.
For as long as I've been working with computers since the 80s, I never liked seagate drives.
Holy hard drives Batman, there is trouble in our sector...
am sorry for the beginner question.. but mind anyone sharing a good brand that actually you can recover your data in case blades failed or something?
does anyone know if these ones are used in the lacie rugged series? :-/
Last time I bought Seagate, I lost hundreds of gigs of data. Granted, I've had a lot of WD drives fail too but most of them I was able to recover and backup.
WD are shit, but the one universal truth is Seagate are worse. I have never ever had a Seagate make it past the 4 year mark with normal use, and we are talking dozens of drives. Many WD's linger, heck even now ancient Samsung Spinpoints and even Toshitbas linger.... but Seagates always die. Don't care what their stupid tool fans say because they had a babied drive make it past the 3 year mark.
@@anasevi9456 then what do you choose? Toshiba? There are only three, and that's only thanks to regulators.
@@laurelsporter4569 You just have to pick the least shitty model available from whatever brand at the time. It's hard to tell without field testing. A lot of it comes down to buggy firmware, so drives from the same family can behave completely differently. But in general Seagate is the best bet, for people who like to lose data in the most annoying way possible. For example with the drive failing in such a way that the RAID controller overwrites the remaining good drive in the RAID1 set with garbage from the bad drive. Or a drive that passes SMART but randomly flips bits in files that you don't notice until months later when even the offline backups are now corrupt.
Alden Zenko I’ve had to rewrite firmware back onto the pcb many times. I can usually tell it’s a firmware issue cause the drive clicks when powered on. The heads can’t find their place on the platter causing that sound. Or the heads are just went bad and they can’t read lol.
I bought a Seagate hard drive years ago. It failed as soon as I put my data on it, and I had no backup, I lost all data. Never tried Seagate again, never will.
Same. I tried a Seagate once, died within a month, will never trust them again. WD has never let me down
Erik Sanchez I’ve worked on more western digitals than seagates, but they are both about the same though imo.
It honestly depends on the model of the HD and not really the manufacturer and even then it could be a gamble cause you can have 2 identical HDs from the same manufacturer but one could have a different firmware version than the other which could make that one worse or better.
Just a question, does this go for Seagate 3,5 inch barracuda drives as well? Or just this type?
Thank you for your videos and the great info you share !
Every Seagate drives I've owned, ended up failing miserably, without any warning other than heavily reduced speed over time(like 10mb/s). SMART would come up fine all the time before it outright failed.
Every WD drives I've owned, gave me time to backup any data on it through SMART warnings before failing like a few months later.
Yeah I once had a WD drive giving smart errors. Probably caused by shipping damage, as it was still very new at the time. Dell gave excellent replacement service. That being said, the only Seagate drives I've ever had didn't give me any problems, but most of my drives have been WD, as they have generally had better warranties, and/or better reviews, and/or lower (better) failure rate stats.
I almost never see drves failing in smart it’s always the speed
I work at a computer repair shop and we fail drives almost daily that never have SMART warnings. In fact, I get maybe one drive in every 6 months tops with a SMART error, but I get a failing or failed drive in almost daily. SMART errors rarely come up before failure on any brand. The tell-tale sign is the slowness and crashing of programs and the OS. If your computer is running miserably slow, 98% of the time it's a failing drive. You should always have your data backed up, not just when you think the drive is going out. By then it could be too late. I've had slow but working and mounting drives die on me while trying to copy the entire contents off of it, because it was already dying and the stress of trying to copy all the data off was too much. Any drive can and will eventually die regardless of brand. Toshiba and Seagate are the worst for spinning drives. We sell WD spinning drives because we see the least failure with them (excluding the WD greens). But we try and get customers on SSDs where they are blown away with how much faster their computer is. Samsung is the only SSD brand we trust. We've sold them for 3-4 years now I think after switching from Kingston because of a major amount of failures and have only seen one of the Samsungs we've sold come back with a failure. That being said, even Samsung SSDs can fail. Back up your data! A backup is not only one copy on an external drive that you only plug in to copy data to. A backup in a second (or third) copy on another drive, or a cloud backup to an online backup utility.
Nathan but 99% of the time it’s just Windows being garbage, every update screws something up, and every version of Windows is notorious for a program like Superfetch to peg a drive at 100%.... disable it and viola! It’s most of the time Windows for me (if Linux ever failed, that would mean one of two things, and 99.99% chance that it’s faulty hardware, the other chance is the end of the world, so that estimate is predicted obviously as I haven’t had that failure yet).
But you’re right, Smart catches nothing, I had one at 90+% health and it would corrupt a Linux install within hours, Windows could install, boot once, then once more in safe mode and then done, wow that drive got toasted, yet still 90% health in the SSD? That’s a pretty bad detection system!
Question: What recovery software do you all use for HFS+ and APFS filesystem recovery once the drive becomes RDY? I have been using RStudio but I am wondering if there are better options out there that are specifically for Apple Filesystems.
Thanks in advance!
So what would be a good external hard drive ? I've a xbox one just standard for now but maybe able to upgrade soon
@louisrossman could you recommend an external hardrive? A lot of the reliable hardrive's are usually SSD's but for things like photos and videos HDD's are much cheaper but usually have crappy RED SMR drives. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
"This would never happen in a Western Digital" That happened to me twice in the same year once with a blue wd drive once with a black wd drive... It happens
I got a SMART error on my 4tb one and it's not even that much older than a year. Turns out every model of WD blue nowadays that has a Z at the end of the name (my case it's the WD40EZRZ) IS ACTUALLY A WD GREEN.
Considering all my Toshiba sourced hard drives never failed on me and run at Seagate speeds, I'm sticking with Tosh when it comes to HDDs from now on (tbt they own HGST/Hitachi so it's not a big surprise they're reliable)
All hard drives fail, it's just a matter of when not if. I like using ssd's in laptops now. They handle shock way better and the speed makes an older laptop so much more useable
Same. Every single Western Digital I had so far failed horribly and if I hadn't used other HDDs to backup I would've lost a shit ton of precious data.
Damn. My experience has been the opposite. Every Wd ive ever bought has not failed. My oldest one is a 500gb from 2007 with 57k hours on it. My Seagates usually die after 2-5 years :/
The remark is simply like some stupid shit Trump would say. "You know, they all say that I am a genius..."
In my experience as a technician, Seagate have had horrible drives. WD are better but since both bought out their competitors, the quality has gone down in both. By far the best drives I've come across were Samsung before they sold their HDD devision to Seagate. My advice to any client is to run multiple backups on different drives, as almost everything is consumer grade and bound to fail.
HGST were the most reliable drives in the backblaze data. Since you advise people on purchases I'd suggest looking into their statistics, as I think they are a good recommendation.
And I've always had a good experience with Seagate drives, wow.
Haha me too my seagate drive is still working after 20-ish years
Thanks for this video! I was considering on buying Seagate HDD for backup, but now I will go for WD for sure.
I have loathed Seagate all the way back to my Amiga days.
Junk
Third party manufacturers often hide the drive supplier from us as well. A good deal at best buy should automatically be assumed to have a Seagate inside.
WD has typically had longer warranties even on equal priced products. Their current line of external hard drives have 3 year warranties on them, which is very good considering how external drives tend to get way more abuse than normal, and typically only come with a 1 year warranty.
All my laptops came with Toshiba drives. Most of them failed, by the way. Never WD or Seagate.
@@jakublulek3261 I don't understand. Your Toshiba drives failed. But what does it have to do with WD or Seagate?
@@SivaR1020 That is my experience. For me, Toshiba is brand to avoid, not Seagate or WD. And I find interesting that others have opposite experience.
@@jakublulek3261 Sorry, I didn't understand that properly.. I thought you said, "My Toshiba drives failed so never buy WD or Seagate"
Is it this specific model or does this really propagate to their other lines? What about the -cuda series?
what about wd element? the motor or the needle thingy tends to stop working after 6months or so
I am very late but are the Firecudas any good? I wanna get one for my PS4 since SSDs are too expensive 😅
Finally, someone else showing this. I have like 8 of these dead sea gate 1tb hard drives.
I've only had 1 Seagate hdd fail on me
It was a 1Tb drive, that was 8 years old at the time
Lucky man. You should play the lottery.
@@tob0r Yes... Although the evidence in the comments is anecdotal, it can't be ignored.
My Seagate 1Tb drive I bought a few years ago lasted 3 months before it died completely and during those 3 months it was very unstable.
I am running two 10 year old WD drives with about 42000h runtime, and a thousands of spinups in my server, they are doing fine for non-critical data.
I have a hitachi deskstar from 2005. slight ticking, but still reads. What do you think is going on?
Louis! Your videos are amazingly insightful! Also shows the perspective from data recovery service side. I was wondering beforehand why some services state they will charge extra if the drive has been opened before they examine it but now I know. I have a question, where do you get the large air blower bulb with the long nozzle? I can only find smaller ones made for camera lenses and I have so many applications for one :) Thank you!
Wait, so these drives aren't even really sealed?! No wonder why they fail if they are basically relying on the sticker covering up the gaps between the magnet, cover and chassis.
Is it sealed
The only 'gaps' are the air holes.
All harddrives (except the helium ones) aren't sealed 100%. They have breather holes so air can get in and out but they also have a small filter on the inside that catches particles that are blown outwards by the platter spinning. You can see it on the top right 1:24
3:25 Is it possible, that there is no proper seal between the cover and the magnet of the head in the upper left corner?
If the label doesn't sit perfectly, all the dust and shit can enter the drive, no wonder these things fail so often!
are you finding that most seagate drives have poblems or just the olders ones? ive used both for years but im not hard on my drives.
I use SSDs with the exception of a external drives for backups (and it's not a SeaGate), but is there a brand you would recommend?
Seagate's financial team is considering marketing this as a feature of the hard drive - it is also a mini lathe.
Well, if they make it so that when it fails it imprints a cute picture onto the platter, i'll be a loyal customer. Maybe paint the discs as donuts?
The comment that made my morning... I'll never look at my mini lathe again without looking for the Seagate name brand.
Well i have 2 240gb seagate hard drives from 2002 still running. I cant say anything about these small form factor ones tough...
the product changed a lot over years... In the years you stated Seagate was one of the most reliable HDDs, but nowdays avoid like a plague...
@@themilanovic4774 Seems to be norm for all computer hardware. Razer Naga mouses use to last long the older models, now they don't. I had a Razer Naga Chroma (one with lights) since 2017 and it just died on me last week, USB keeps detecting it as being the cause of USB port power surge. Replaced it with a newer version of it except for $20 more ugh... Fucking bullshit.
@@sparda9060 I dunno man, I got G900 (from Logitec) 2 years ago and its still good as new... And as a bonus my MX518 still works properly (tho rubber edges are worn out).
@@themilanovic4774
Yeah, my logitech g600 mmo mouse is still like new, and my original microsoft sidewinder is still great
@@themilanovic4774 you can replace the edges for cheap
watching this while having a lot of important data on exactly the same drive and nowhere else, priceless.... thanks a lot fellas!
Same here, literally, I just got that sinking feeling
Statistically speaking, I have had equally bad luck with WD drives and Seagate drives. The only difference is that WD drives fail _earlier._
EDIT: Having a look at my inventory, I have as follows:
OK, currently in use: Seagate × 6, WD × 1
OK but decommissioned: Seagate × 5, Toshiba × 3
Broken, doesn’t work: Seagate × 7, WD × 1, IBM × 2, Hitachi × 1
No working adapter, or broken: Seagate × 4, WD × 1, Maxtor × 1
By manufacturer:
Seagate: 50% OK, 32% Failed, 18% unknown
WD: 33% OK, 33% Failed, 33% Unknown
Toshiba: 100% OK
IBM: 100% Failed
Hitachi: 100% Failed
Maxtor: 100% Unknown
😬After my WD red died..i went around looking for Seagate iron wolf. I could not find a single online or physical store in Australia with one. but there was plenty of WD red.
3 years before that there were plenty of ironwolf. it makes me think did everyones wd red die and now everyone is after an ironwolf.
for me seagate (maxtor and samsung are part of seagate) is better than WD (hitachi/IBM is now part of WD), toshiba are garbage, they even don't have testing software tor bad blocks, neither have Grown list...
What about Seagate external drive, mine was not good when my drive can detect it but cannot get inside the file :(
WD red are bad. WD Blue are good
Now I really want to know what causes that particular type of failure.
DeadGenesis518 yap, I only thought that bumping it makes the head drag
Probably condensation/moisture.
well its a portable drive, and moves around generally in someones bag, who really knows if they move it around while its in operation or not brand bashing is not cool i've owned Seagate, Western Digital, Connor, Maxtor, MagicScribe, Quantium, SyQuest, and other drives in the past and they all failed on me, its the luck of the draw in all honestly all spinning rust drives will fail at some point so its best to backup offsite your files that you cant risk loosing ever
just grabbing he drive while it's running, and pressing it lightly in your hand is enough to bend the cover inward enough to crush the head on the disk.
@@SakuraChan00 ST4000DX000 has an annual failure rate 3.2 times higher than the ST4000DM000, which in turn has a failure rate about 3 times higher than most similar drives. But then there's the WD60EFRX from WD with an even higher 11% failure rate (compared to the near identical WD40EFRX that didn't fail at all during the test period). A lot of it comes down to buggy firmware, so even a mechanically solid drive can have problems. Yes all manufacturers have some good and some bad models, but for me it's not worth risking a Seagate drive anymore unless they've already undergone field testing, and then they're in a RAID1 plus with offline mirrors. Dunno what happened, they used to be one of the best before the 320-500 gig models.
The barracudas also have a high failing rate? Mine is just 1 tb, and only have steam Library on it, but I'm still curious
I have the 1TB barracuda and it started dying on me. My PC would randomly BSOD but than windows would repair itself so it still works. I noticed it does this only when its heavily used, like loading game files.
I have Windows on a SSD, so I hope that buy's me some time, anyway I was planning on going full ssd
How much would you guys offer to recover it my disc dosent look like a brake disc it could be recoverable
The "Mobile" stands for moving your data to deep inside the aluminium platters.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
it's not seagate that's bad.
it's mobile hdds.
i've had EVERY SINGLE one of them fail on me no matter the brand.
eventually all drives will die, depending on usage (text, video, server) and handling (mobile receiving shock, fixed in a datacenter, etc) but Seagate tend to die much more frequently than WDs (and among the latter the green and blue are the weakest, then black , then caviar)
Ssds mate lmao
WD drives were complete shit in my experience. Mounted in a PC tower as an OS drive, so, no disruption or anything, still crapped out inside of a year.
Then I switched to Maxtor (which later became Seagate). Had an external HDD of 1.5TB size, comprised of a pair of 750GB drives "striped" in some RAID configuration to read as one large drive. That thing eventually had one of the drives inside click loudly and then render the whole drive inaccessible. but I blame the stupid "auto-sleep" mode it was programmed with... all that spinup and spindown is more stressful than just letting it run idle. $3000 later though, I had all the data on the drive recovered ,save for a handful of files that were either easily replaced or simply not missed. Luckily they were all just WAV audio, nothing too complex.
Once Seagate took over, it was smooth sailing. At some point I wound up with Barracudas and never had any issues due to device failure without just cause. If anything ever did happen, it was either due to my own restlessness/carelessness, or something beyond control, like a power surge or other violent jolt or disruption to the drive. But I've had many power failures and these babies keep on kicking.
Another factor to failing drives is likely people's laziness of proper maintenance and care. I sincerely doubt anybody defrags or runs a chkdsk now and then, whether it needs it or not. Usually letting computers and other AI bullshit do all the thinking for them. I bet many don't even know what those tools are, let alone think or know how to use them - all they care about is playing more of those bullshit games and whoring themselves on social media.
I monitor closely how I add, delete, and modify files on my drives (which causes fragmentation), and try to keep it "to a minimum". I also weigh what sites I visit and a dozen other vigilant observations of scrutiny. But all in moderation, of course. I imagine too many chkdsk and defragging sessions can be stressful to the drive.
Anyway, those are just my thoughts.
There's nothing wrong with Seagate drives - unless it gets that old "1D10T at keyboard" affliction...
Also I find it funny, how many who echo the complaints of anything that is actually good, always have to boast about their "years in computing/technology" and all their "experience"...
I suspect there's far less actual firsthand experience going on, and a lot of conformist indoctrination, especially during the training and educating periods. Just believing something is crap simply cos some other big shot "tech" or colleague told them so.
For the past decade I've had every single internal WD drives died on me and I've switched to seagate and none of them died so far. I still have the remains of the dead drives if you want to see.
had 2 of them for 8 years and still working fine.
so which hard drives are best to get bands or models
Thanks A LOT! I was going to buy such drive as a replacement tomorrow.
I used to work for a major storage vendor in 2005 who sold Seagate's top-of-the-line Barracuda drive in their products. These drives have a "sticktion" problem. When the drives were powered down, the motor lubricant would solidify, preventing the motors from turning. On start-up after a shutdown, we often had 20%-30% drive motor failure rates. We had to rely on RAID to hope that the data came back.
I haven't trusted Seagate drives ever since.
I've only heard bad things about Seagate drives. Western Digital _used_ be very good, but even they went down hill. It's probably due to the increasing data density and decreasing size; degrading quality and reliability is just a natural consequence. :-\
(The freezer trick _does_ work sometimes for click-of-death. I've done it myself and thankfully it worked. Phew!)
I think it's also because consumer hard drives are less and less prioritized by these companies. IMO in times where people can buy 500GB flash storage for ~$60-80 there is mostly no need for an extra HDD, which is showing in Hard drive sales figures. (for reference: www.statista.com/statistics/275336/global-shipment-figures-for-hard-disk-drives-from-4th-quarter-2010/ ,www.microcenter.com/product/502941/samsung-860-evo-500gb-3-bit-mlc-v-nand-sata-iii-6gb-s-25-quot , pcpartpicker.com/product/ft8j4D/crucial-mx500-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct500mx500ssd )
What, WD also went to trash? I always loved their HDDs, found them very durable. Even in 24/7 scenarios.
Toshiba drives have honestly been my go to due to these problems. Past that for 3.5 I just get the white label heliums from wd
"It's probably due to the increasing data density and decreasing size;
degrading quality and reliability is just a natural consequence."
no, that has nothing to do with it.
most of these consumer drives have far lower density than some older hgst drives or new data center drives.
what happened is, that seagate and western digital realized, that quality does NOT matter at all, not whatsoever.
they removed features like AAM, or software TLER setting option and started insane segmentation practices, like how many fucking colors can i get the same WD hdd in, with some minor software changes in the firmware?
they also put planned obsolescence in hdds like WD's extreme load/unload cycles, that would quite quickly kill an hdd, due to the heads wearing out, if left at their default setting (4-12 seconds)
seagate in their race to the dumpster put shingled magnetic recording drives into the hands of unknowing consumers, often hiding that it is an SMR drive and hiding, the massive sequential write drop in speed and definitely hiding the way higher failure rates and increases sensitivity to vibrations.
these companies know, that most all people will not even read a review of an hdd before buying most will just get the cheapest one/TB.
and even then both companies massively overcharge for the hdds, which can be seen as WD used the exact same drives for far cheaper prices in external drives, which resulted in people "shucking" drives from external drives.
now they use special white drives, which likely are just the same he10 drives with some software changes to make it harder to use them for a zfs or raid setup.
density increase was never an issue, which u can also see in backblaze statistics:
www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q1-2019/
the hgst hms5c4040ble640 for example has the lowest failure rate at 0.45% AFR (annualized failure rate), while the seagate 4 TB dumpster fire st4000dm000 has 2.74%.
the seagate one has over 5x higher failure rate partially due to the seagate drives not being designed for the environment, but also partially due to these seagate drives being dumpster fires pushed onto consumers.
both being 4 TB 3.5 inch drives.
the hgst was a cold storage drive designed for servers later sold at about the same price as the seagate drives (i got 2 of them), so reliable drives can be made, but they ARE NOT! made for the average consumer, not anymore at least.
You hear bad things from both company because data is not something people like to lose on a daily basis. They will claim that any HDD maker is garbage if god forbid their drive is the 1%< of all drives that fail. That's just how it goes. Keep in mind that not all Seagate models are utter trash just like not all WD models are good.
What do you think about Toshiba drives? I have one installed in my PC right now.
If you have a good platter but bad heads can you put the platter in another case with good heads to pull the data?