Wonders of the First CCG, Should you back it? 5 likes and 5 concerns
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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Wonders of the First has over $1 million in the first 12 hours! Should you back this CCG??
Likes
1. Print and play decks, what a GREAT idea!
2. Epic artwork
3. Clean, basic cards that can be buffed up with other cards
4. High collectability
5. No draft, set, or collector booster. All of that is combined into 1.
Concerns
1. How long will the 1st edition print run go for people (collectors) who want a true “limited” set
2. Tracking resources (actions, energy, faith, etc)
3. Will I get that same feeling of catharsis “taking stones” that I get from damaging another player (like MTG and Pokémon)
4. Will the 7 round game-play leave me with stuff to play that I wasn’t able to get out in time??
5. The cost to get into this game is crazy high!
Your intro alone made me want to follow. As a man struggling with being a normal human with good relationships, I really appreciated that reminder.
Thank you! We can all up our game, but we don’t have to do it all at once. Incrementally, day by day, we’re tryin to get that hero status.
Thank you for this video. Hoping to get more of this during the KS. Looking forward to any gameplay videos you may post as well.
I’m hoping to get a gameplay video up tonight after work! Thanks for watching!
I appreciate your valid concerns and opinions about the game. Thank you for taking the time to show us some of its aspects. I look forward to experiencing the evolution and growth of the game. I have to say that when you really dive into it and do your research it is an exciting proposition to invest on as much as it is to play.
There’s no perfect game out there, but I definitely like Wonders more and more as I play it.
Thank you for the tips on how to get the online cards printed and ready to play. I am excited that I dont have to wait to play until November
No problem! Hope you have fun with it. Let me know what you think.
They plan to offer 'professionally printed' versions this month to get the word out ahead of commercial release. They mentioned it would be like a quick print, inexpensive option to get it in the table ahead of time.
Love your concept about being a hero outside the game as well. Love the positive energy!
Thank you! I really hope it’s helpful for the gaming community.
great video, would love to see the update once you've had some play time!!
We’ll get it posted soon! Thank you!
Hello good Hero sir! I loved your video! It was definitely genuine and thoughtful. I am new to physical ccgs myself and this will be the first physical ccg i invest in. i love what they have set up and i have high hopes for its future. Your concerns were well made and i hope they became clearer soon. I'm interested in what you think now after a few days of looking it over.
We’ve printed and played all 9 decks that are available (3 on the kickstarter page and 6 on the discord) and we’re having a blast! The game-play is #1 for me, but collecting is a close second!
@@BeAHeroGaming I'm also like you, gameplay is 1st, but i like that my value may appreciate in time (collecting) and the art is amazing to look at! which Orbital has been your favorite so far?
@@jamalmartin6507 My favorite color is green so I gravitate toward Patraia, but all the others are so cool!
@@BeAHeroGaming Have you seen the game in Table Top Simulator? I just downloaded it earlier and was able to play WOTF with it. I don't have anyone to play with atm so i played alone, i read two decks' cards and am play solitarie. But i'm losing to myself hahaha!
I know you have printed out the physical cards but see what you think in TTS also its really cool, again I'm new to all of this myself!
@@jamalmartin6507 I can’t bring myself to play TTS stuff. I like having the actual game components in my hands. I also don’t play board/card games that use an app. That might seem dumb, and I think if it works for you go for it! But I just feel personally like apps and board/card games should be separate. I’m probably just old 😂
Great genuine video, thanks for the walk through and thoughts on this game.
Thank you! I hope it was helpful!
Started playing and a very fun game. Excited for this!
@@mikelwolf1424 agreed! I like that it’s different from the typical “knock out the leader/player” CCG.
There is also add ons when you go to purchase, for example you can pledge the $55 then add on $150 for all 6 starter decks, there's lots of options to get more without pledging the higher amounts for the tiers. I'm still on the fence, it is alot of money..
Yes! You are correct about the add-ons. We played through 1 game tonight. It seems fun. Formulating a strategy is tricky. I’m on the fence too. Maybe after a few games I’ll have a better idea…
$200 for some starter decks isn't a good deal. You can buy Frosthaven for that price lmao
@@Norse no no no, they’re not that much. $195 pledge will get you 2 starter decks and a full booster box. A $55 pledge will get you 2 starter decks. After you’ve made a pledge you can add-on a case of all 6 available starter decks for $150.
I didn't see any real story on their site, even though they have someone for that.
I'm not against ethical AI, but I didn't see any special focus on the art more than typing some AI prompts in Midjourney (even if they used a long list of expertly chosen prompts, which took all of 5 minutes) and using WHATEVER the AI generator produced, so, not much for the art or theme community there.
I didn't really see any new ground-breaking mechanics, just a mixture of old. You could possibly argue that, though.
I saw no focus on the player or community...just a stone cold 1 of 1! Yes, you are really only getting 9 cards and one junk token card per booster pack? Really! This CCG is HIGHLY focused on set collection, not so much on play.
The grab bag of art just kills me! Any character type you can imagine (mermaid, cowboy, robot, dragon, vampire, etc.), which is whatever cool AI image they could prompt up was included in the game, so I really don't see a theme unless it is randomness!
I know collectors and investors want to jump on this boat, like crazy. However, if the core of the experience for the player isn't great, having high prices, less value per card, impossible to get the cards you want because of no-reprints, no real theme, no good unifying story (good luck with that!), or anything else incentivizing to the player, then I see card values tanking. Kinda sad that they list about 30 people on their team and all they really were able to produce on their own is card scarcity. It'll work on those with FOMO, but I don't see it as the next great CCG. Games like Argent Saga had a much better chance, but like most failed CCGs, trouble with the leadership not really understanding the market, and being poor managers themselves, they fizzle out pretty quick.
Also, Commander is supposed to last for hours!
😄 It's not really a competitive format for most people. I guess that is why it is so popular, people just want to play it casually.
Ya, I didn’t know about the AI art until after I made the video. I have mixed feelings about it.
I’ve played the game a couple time, but not enough to come to a conclusion. The video interviews they’ve posted are pretty impressive and lead me to believe that a lot of thought has gone into the game and its collectability. Time will tell how it all turns out.
@@BeAHeroGaming You just repeated the same thing back to me, a focus on collectability, which caused you back the project. You just said AFTER playing a few games, AFTER having bought the game, and AFTER seeing the video interviews and whatnot that you are STILL unsure about the playability. Not your psychologist, but definitely seeing some FOMO here.
@@geekworthy7938 Oh ya, I’m totally guilty of FOMO. I love CCG’s, but I’m definitely going to play through this a bunch of times before I decide to back it. It’s a huge gamble as so many others have pointed out. Most CCG’s fail miserably. But I’m a sucker for collectability 😂
@@BeAHeroGaming 👍 nice, thanks
I will say one thing when it comes to the AI art. They’re not just prompting and throwing the images up. There is a lot of time spent cleaning up the art or getting general concepts of what they’re looking for from their art team and then throwing that into their prompts as well.
Their Discord is a great place to get information if you’re real sus about the game itself.
Great video. I have some imput, though. As far as keeping track of enenergy, faith, and actions, just use a different colored die for each. That's what im gonna do. The cost is a bit high, but im no stranger to tcg/ccg game, and i have paid under and way over the $150 for boxes. And since it is made in America, i will gladly pay a little more. I dont really care for collecting, i have so many dead tcg/ccg that i can't even give away. I do like the points syste. However, r im curious on how competitive tournament would be as far as prize pools.
Yes, we used dice for our first couple games and it worked fine. I’m both a player and a collector, and supposedly this game is trying to meet the needs of both so I’m really intrigued. Thanks for your input!
We will want an update on your gameplay. Hope you recorded it and we can watch some games.
@@davidkringlen2479 I’ll try to get a video up tonight after work!
Great thoughts and love the energy!
Thank you! I hope it helps people decide whether to back or not.
@@BeAHeroGaming definitely will. Appreciate the fair, positive, honest approach even with criticisms.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I have really enjoyed playing this game, and I hope you do enjoy playing with your family!
Great video!
Thank you! There’s going to be more to come!
Last tier is the rarity of playmats you won’t be able to get them anywhere else.
Ya I didn’t really understand what that meant: common, uncommon, rare, etc. playmats. I think it’s just different artwork maybe?
Fantastic video. It is a hard but rewarding being a dad. Stop by the discord would love to chat about the game with you.
Will do. Thank you!
Being new to fatherhood, intro resonated with me! Can't wait for the young ones to grow up a bit and become my co-gamers!
You’re gonna love it! Having players right in your own home is the best!
What would you recommend getting if I just want to get it so that I can play it with my son 1v1? Which pledge level do I need? Also is a play mat for each person? I don’t care too much for the collecting I just want to be able to play the game and maybe have 2 different starter decks so it’s different every time you play.
There is a tier where you can just get a few starter decks. I personally got the Flare package. It has 1 box and 2 starter decks.
The $55 tier gives you two starter decks, but if you want a little more variety, the $95 tier gives you two starter decks plus a mini booster box (6 packs). The booster packs will let you customize the deck a little more. The player mats are not necessary. They just help you keep things organized.
If I get the 195 level is that more then enough for 2 players? Is this only a 2 player game? Is it easy to play, learn, teach?
It’s a 2 player game for now, but they’re working on a multiplayer format. You really only need the 2 starter decks to play, but the $195 level will give you 2 starter decks plus a full booster box (24 packs) as well as 1 player mat. The booster packs are randomized cards that will allow you to create your own deck or customize your 2 starter decks which gives you a lot more variety than just the 2 decks alone. The rules are pretty straightforward and the game seems challenging and fun, but I’ve only played a couple times so far.
Are those test decks still available for download and test? If so link please
Yes they are! They’re on the kickstarter page. You might have to scroll down a ways to find them.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/wondersccg/wonders-of-the-first-ccg/description
Makes me want to have kids even sooner than I already do haha. Thanks for the wholesome message
Glad you enjoyed it! There’s good and bad that comes along with kids, but the good definitely outweighs the bad!
I just got an email today saying all pledges were canceled and they are restarting the kickstarter, very strange. They had well over a million dollars in pledges. I don't know why they did that...
It is live now. Kickstarter just wanted them to tweak a couple things with the project and then they could relist the campaign. Only have 24 hours left to back the project so get in now before the window closes!
Check out Sorcery Contested Realm as a competitor to MTG. It’s deliberately trying to replicate the feel that MtG created in its early days. It has some very unique gameplay with 100% hand painted/drawn commissioned art. The sorcery community is also incredible with multiple massive fan made weekend events already happened and planned going forward. I can’t speak highly enough of Sorcery at this point in every respect.
I’m interested in Wonders as the gameplay does look fun and I am totally a sucker for collectability but I’m gonna pass on it having already invested heavily in sorcery and also backed Altered.
I’ve heard of Altered before, but I haven’t heard of Sorcery. I might have to check it out. Thank you!
The game is called wotf(whoah-tee-eff)
😂 ha! Ya I wondered how you’d pronounce that.
How do you print the cards
You can download the decks from the kickstarter page, and then I just printed them out on cardstock with my inkjet printer. They turned out pretty dark and grainy but good enough to play with.
@@BeAHeroGaming I can’t find the download
@@lucrativestamplar334 it’s in the section titled “Gameplay Elements.” Scroll past the videos and card anatomy, and it’s right after that.
@@BeAHeroGaming I found it but how would I go about printing ? One card at a time or the whole page ? And what kind of material ? You should make a tutorial it would blow up
@@lucrativestamplar334 Video uploading now.
No reprints is my falling point, that and serialized cards…I like card games for fun…the luck or reprints will make this game way too expensive
Ya I’m not sure how the no reprints is going to play out. My gut tells me that they end up making cards in new sets that are very similar to old cards, but just have a different name/class.
So i found out they had to cancel the kickstarter because they dont allow nft stuff, so wonders had to remove any nft things and then they got approved to restart the campaign..
All this info is on the wonders of the first discord.
Yes I think you’re right. I’m glad to see it’s coming back though because it’s a great game!
Did you back it?
Yes, I did, but not until I had playtested the game multiple times with the print and play decks. I wanted to make sure the game was fun first. Nothing will be collectible unless people enjoy it. The game is a lot of fun!
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you can be a hero by not using A.I art
I didn’t know it was AI art until after I made the video. I have mixed feelings about it, but I plan on addressing it in a future video.
As there are still a couple of days left, I have to warn anybody who is thinking about investing into the game.
The actual gameplay looks... fine. Nothing special. But I have seen worse. If you think you might like how the game plays, just print out their demo decks. But please, don't buy anything from this company.
First of all, they are lying to you on their kickstarter page. Well... maybe not lie? They claim to have illustrators and graphic designers working on some parts of the artworks. But it really doesn't show. Not on the artwork and not on their team. Most of the released card artwork is credited to... a game designer and the narrative lead? They have no art direction. Also, they claim to use AI not only for their art, but apparently for narrative design and mechanical design as well. Which leaves me absolutely flabbergasted.
One of their core principles, as stated by them in one of their own promotional videos, is that they DO NOT BALANCE the cards before release. Instead, they assign each individual card a rating. Based on what metric? We do not know. But these ratings are what's supposed to inform the strength of a deck as a whole, which is then used for matchmaking and competitive formats. These ratings are not printed on the card but will require a digital tool. A tool which - to public knowledge - hasn't been developed yet. It isn't even known if that database will be free to access. Also, they can change the rating of a card at any time, effectively banning it from certain tier formats. They can also reduce a cards rating, making it in turn more powerful to a reduced cost of opportunity in deck building. Normally, this would be questionable but somewhat fair. Where it not for something else...
There will be no reprints. This game will be an absolute horror to get started with. And it will be a horror to keep up with the meta. Everytime a new set releases, they can bump up the ratings of older cards, rendering them nearly unplayable so players have to choose: Buy all of the new chase cards to be able to play in their preferred tier or stick with their deck and try to compete in a higher tier against newer decks which are more powerful by design.
At a first glance, it looks like this game has found a way to stop powercreep. This couldn't be further from the truth. The power creep is hidden inside the ratings and the resulting cost of opportunity that enable the creators to shadow ban cards and force people to buy the new packs. And unlike a game lik MTG with predictable rotation cycles, this game will rotate cards at a whim. And if they ever reduce the rating of a card out of print... well I sure hope you have saved a lot of money.
Not that anything of this will be relevant. Ever. Because everything about this project - aside from the actual gameplay - is designed to milk as much money out of you - with very little investment on their part - before cancelling the whole project. I highly doubt the game will survive beyond its second, or maybe its third set. The art direction is nonexistant. The narrative is scrambled together and is severly limited by them only using AI generated images which make it impossible to have recurring characters. The prizing is ridiculous. They are intransparent about what they use AI for. They have made MTG's reserved list, one of that games most hated features, into their core design principle. They do not care for balance or sustainability.
BUT. I do have a suggestion. Create your own game. Just for yourself and your friends. Trust me, you'll have much more fun creating your own cards than buying this crap. That's something that generative AI can actually be very useful for. Just... don't try to sell the art as your own. And if you just want to play, pick one of thousands of great games that already exist. I know, I sound like a hater who just doesn't want this product to succeed. The truth is, I'm not playing any TCGs or CCGs because even the existing models, while not being nearly as predatory, are not worth it. I am just really passionate about games and game design. And this product is an affront to everything that games are supposed to be.
That’s totally fine that you feel this way! If this game doesn’t work for you then don’t buy it and play something else. But please don’t go on a quest to dissuade people from backing the game just because you don’t like it or don’t believe in the means they use. There are lots of people that thoroughly enjoy the game and its potential for collectability. If they waste their money on something that fizzles out that’s no sweat off your back. There are lots of games that I think are terrible, but I still hope they succeed because everyone doesn’t have to like what I like.
This is giving me real scam vibes.
What do you mean? Scam like they won’t ever deliver the product, or that the CCG won’t take off? What are your thoughts?
@@BeAHeroGaming Its definitely not a scam. I have been a customer of the Wonders team for a few years. I don't know if Wonders will succeed, but its not a scam. I am also invested in the KS.
@@Grimoria24 thanks for the comment! I feel like saying something is “a scam” is a pretty bold accusation. But if someone thinks that, I would love to hear the evidence that leads them to that conclusion. Good to hear from someone who has some experience with the company. Thanks!
@@Grimoria24 what other products do they have/ sell?
Maybe I can illuminate the situation. While this game, might not explicitly be a scam in and unto itself, a lot of the verbage the wonders team uses on both their kickstarter and their prior promo stuff has a very speculative investment feel. Furthermore, given the NFT background of the creators and of the project itself, I don't think skepticism is unwarranted here. (AI art isn't helping the argument either)
Edit: After scoring a rather unprecedented million+ in funding in the opening days, I have my concerns...
Edit 2: welp, kickstarter pulled and they relaunched with 500k in the opening minutes. Buyer beware.
Your math is correct sir, they are lying to you
My only explanation is that they’re referring to the retail cost when they list the savings.
I wonder who is going to be crazy enough to spend $4-8k on a card game. It’s completely insane in this current climate. Cost of living is skyrocketing and you’re gonna justify thousands for cards?
Always find these CCG’s just to darn expensive. Probably why I’ve never bought into MTG.
You could potentially be spending a lot of money on something that won’t even be valuable down track. I mean, it’s a new unknown game. MTG has been around long time.
Yes, you’re exactly right. MTG is a rabbit hole for sure. Once you get into it there’s no end in sight. It’s hard to play without wanting to collect.
With that said, I think 4-8k for WOTF is only going to be big-time collectors. People who are hoping that the game will really take off and they will have a ton of first edition. But it’s risky because as you’ve pointed out it’s a brand new game and it might not catch on. $55-195 will get you into the game as a player, but that’s not cheap either.
Gamrplay looks like a Wyvern ccg reboot. The cost for this game is pure stupidity. You have to spend 900 dollars just to have all six factions of the decks. They dont offer an option to just buy the 6 factions without all the fluff. Then each deck is $52.00, Really!!! What are they printed with, Gold? Then the uncertainty of the kickstarter funding at all. It's a resounding NO from me. This gives me Down To Hell and Stormsunder campain rip-off vibes. Hell No!
You can add-on a deck for $30. The kickstarter decks contain a limited foil card that won’t be in the retail version. I’ve heard those will be $20 or so without the limited foil card. Yes, the price is high, but the team behind it seems pretty solid. I think delivery will go just fine, but time will tell if the game really takes off.
Really genuinely appreciate your positivity but my guy, this is junk. This is a scam by and crypto bros. Star Wars unlimited, Lorcana, one piece, flesh n blood, on top of pokemon and yugioh, are all viable magic competitors. Even Altered, another kickstarter tcg, is way more legitimate. We should compliment people all day long, but not the ones who want to take advantage of us.
Thank you! I really am honestly curious what you mean by “scam.” A lot of people have said that but haven’t elaborated. Do you mean that they won’t deliver the product or that they are intentionally making a game that they know won’t survive? I would love to hear your thoughts!
@BeAHeroGaming wonders is originally an "NFT Collection" of 5000 AI-generated images, eg, jpgs you can pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for. NFTs were a fad/pump&dump scheme a couple years ago where a lot of uninformed people lost a lot of money.
This is following a similar pattern. They have a very dedicated discord community who have been aggressively hyping this everywhere. Almost all the official messaging about the game talks about its potential value and collectibility. The kickstarter itself has an average pledge amount around $700/person. The product pricing is through the roof even though the game is all pre-existing, AI generated assets. They've essentially made a cheap game, very quickly, and are selling it to unsuspecting people at enormous prices. Every savvy tcg and board game player I've seen on the internet is avoiding it like the plague. The end goal is for all these people at the top of the pyramid to offload their cards to others around/ before release while their artificial hype is high, and then everyone else is left with a bunch of cardboard with 1/10th or less of what they paid.
They have one (1) gameplay video, and you are actually only one of two(2) third parties to even talk about the game itself on youtube. Normally a new game on kickstarter will have coverage from a bunch of people, showing gameplay and interviewing the developers, etc. Here, they've obfuscated the game itself and there are no third party sources backing them up.
They might deliver a product, 50/50 since they have no experience publishing games, but it's not set up for success as a long-term thing. And it certainly will not be worth the price or hold the value when compared to other successful TCGs.
Paid shill
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