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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- MartianBuu talks about the latest balance patch, which includes nerfs to Wild and big Highlander changes.
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Outro is "Kazoom" by Quincas Moreira
• Kazoom
Important thing to note with the wheel change is that it no longer works with enchanter.
Oh thats a good point
Nice, drakkari back to being absolutely useless. They should make it 0 mana at this point and it still won't be played.
@@Raigaara well it's a tech card, it's meant to be almost useless.
@@Raigaaraviable enough in battlegrounds, feel free to pay a visit
It's back to being a MarkMcKz card
I'm opening a bottle of top shelf wine in celebration of the wild nerfs it's about damn time
I really like the Highlander Card change for Standard, but it’s super weird that the Wild Highlander Cards don’t match this change. This definitely should have been a general rule change for those type of cards.
Now, if you play a Highlander Deck in Wild and someone techs you with Bad Luck Albatross, Framster, Plagues or […] some of your Highlander cards still work and some don’t???
It feels completely random and like inconsistent and weird design imo. Really hope they’ll adjust it so ALL Highlander cards work either the new way or the old way.
Okay, I was typing my comment prematurely and you addressed this point later in your video. Glad you feel the same way. Great video as always!
@@Pesslusnah i hope they don't adjust them i like playing higlander cards in non higlander decks
I USED TO PRAY TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS!!! REST IN PISS QUEST MAGE 😭🔥🔥🔥
Mage quest still can be used as powerful turn. Nerf affected abuse of multiple cast.
Just like zarimi rn @@kirikaito2? We using giants again?
fuck yeah!! I fucking tired of that quest bullshit
Don’t think too hard, you’ll hurt yourself.
Arcanus Repeticus
As someone who liked quest mage, im happy that it got hit, but i hope the do some sort of compensation/overhaul for mage in wild, lots of stuff is unplayable like even mage/hero power mage, elemental mage, rainbow mage ecc. Also i hope they give us back the og antonidas combo :(. As for mesadune plus wexxalus, could be funny to try a lightshow mage
Agreed. Mage's minion pool is one of its biggest weaknesses imo.
Hopefully they rebalance stuff when the relevant twist season comes
I love these videos. Very enjoyable to hear you discuss them. One thing to improve it is to zoom in more so we can see the cards and read the changes easier. That's the only thing bothered me about the video
Move over, Patches the Pirate.
Deepminer Brann: "I'm in charge now!"
Been saying that quest needed to be nerfed for years. The devs finally woke up. 🎉
@@LabTech41 well, it has been uttered by plenty people, myself included, that it should have been 1 per game from the start (ideal that card would never exist in the first play but let's be realistic, Blizzard does not care about balance if it harms boosters sales)
love the outro ❤ stay healthy brethren
Thanks Martian, always appreciate your videos. About the time warp nerf, does this mean that the arcane nature of the spell is also going to be removed? A Vexallus on the board still triggers it twice right? Or does the card text fully override that?
I believe the effect can only happen once
Thanks for the review. Pretty good patch overall. I'm really excited about the "if your deck started with no dupe" change, although I also wish they had extended it to all highlander cards retroactively. I mean, why not, since they also made Wild nerfs in this patch anyway? This reminds me of when they buffed newer burgle cards to "another class" instead of the horrible "your opponent's class" a few years back, but never made it consistent across the board. I mean, they've sloooowly updated quite a few of them over the years, but only when and because they were added to the standard core set. To this day, there are still a bunch with the outdated effect, not to mention the burgle rogue hero power in the final Dungeon Run style of PvE we ever had (I'd kill for a fresh one)... Eudora. She still gives you cards from your opponent's class, even though the text description says "from another class" (so it's really bad versus many bosses who count as Rogues). I'm afraid it's not unlikely they'll take the same route for reno cards.
As is, I feel this change is still a very nice buff to Reno decks in Wild, but it could have been a lot better if it also applied to at least OG Reno and Zephrys.
The Reno that heals because it's still clutch against aggro and it will still be destroyed by Plagues and Bombs and Curses and Albatross and all the other garbage people can shuffle into your deck. And Zeph for the exact reason they've thought of this change to begin with: scam burn decks that draw all their cards instantly will still be able to abuse it to find lethal even more consistently, which goes against the spirit of the card and the game.
There are precious few other singletons still playable in Wild anyways, so others might matter less. I don't think even a buff like that would bring back an outdated card like Kazakus for instance, and I wouldn't want to risk buffing Raza Shadow Priest even more either.
Pretty sad they outright murdered OG Quest Mage, NGL. Yes, there are very frustrating versions out there with a billion Ice Blocks and Alibis, but it also enabled fun discover decks like the one I've been playing for a year or two, by now (ever since legit Burgle Rogue became utterly unplayable with the ridiculous density of weapon hate cards in every deck and ETC band). Admittedly, even my version might have been a bit too strong lately, as I've reached Legend almost effortlessly with it this month even though I didn't really try (I've been having more fun with BGs than constructed lately). But still, outright executing the card was a bit much, especially compared to the fairly mild nerf they gave to Priest's Surimi version.
Oh well. Since my "Quest Mage" was already a highlander deck anyways, I guess I'll just cut the quest and a fair bit of low-cost cards that were mostly there to activate it, and rework my deck as a pure Reno Mage. We'll see how well this fares in the Wild meta. I'm not holding my breath, though...
I don't think they've nerfed Druid, Rogue, Priest or Shaman anywhere near enough for Wild. Maybe having to summon 3 more cheap dragons to get a Time Warp will be enough of a deterrent for Standard, but in Wild that's still a lot easier and faster to complete than Quest Mage ever was. As for Mine Rogue, yeah... they'll need to cheat out 2 more mana for their unstoppable OTK, big deal. So they win on turn 6 or maybe even 7 instead of turn 4 or 5? Not sure that will keep them in check. ^^
If you've read all this, thank you. You're the only Wild player I'm still following on YT. Also, I really love your commentary and review videos, more so than gameplay footage I have to say (it's not you, it's me: I'm more interested in hearing someone's thoughts and ideas than watching them play). PS: You definitely should prioritize spending time with your wife over playing this game.
Your diet does sound pretty SAD indeed (pun intended, this stands for "Standard American Diet" ^^). Fun fact: I used to have heartburn issues regularly and I was always stocked up on antacids before I tried the keto diet, then this disappeared completely. I've since returned to my unhealthy eating habits to a large extent, but not quite as bad as it used to be. I still rarely experience heartburn anymore, though. Once you've cut down on sugar long enough to realize just how hard it warps your entire perception of food, even if you start eating carbs again I think there are some benefits that stay with you. It's a bit similar to smoking these days as opposed to smoking a few decades ago. You can't forget sugar is poison once you've felt it in your bones, even if you crave sugar and still indulge in it, it's hard to go as overboard with it as you might have before experiencing a low-carb diet for a while. Anyways, whatever works for you. Just rambling on about the post-credit scene, here. ^^ Take care, Marshie!
The reason not all highlander changed is because in standard rn, some strong decks ard using highlander cards AND a few duplicates that are easily tutored, this change removes that
In wild, theres multiple cards made specifically to counter highlander, so it preserves countering in wild (mostly) while stopping non highlander decks from using highlander cards in standard
Imo, this is just ANOTHER reason standard and wild should use different card pools so they cant be nerfed without effecting the other, but I guess thats a little messy for a player perspective
@@Rainbow_Sheep Thanks for your reply. I see where you're coming from, but I would still much prefer a consistent mechanic across the board (I wish they'd make highlander an evergreen keyword by now honestly).
I don't think anything was ever designed specifically to break the "no duplicate" activation in the opponent's deck except for arguably Albatross (even then, it dilutes their deck with dead draws regardless of what they're playing). Most of the things that "counter" Reno decks in wild are fairly unreliable, toxic and/or overpowered in and of themselves. Changing all highlander cards to "started with" would also make a bunch of problematic cards less meta, along with terrible tech cards like the 5/5 that destroys all shuffled cards, or Geist.
All in all, I think we'd be better off than with a mishmash of cards with the same core mechanic but wildly different perks and weaknesses from one card to the next. Especially since it's not a keyword (though I guess we can use "started" as a search term instead of "no duplicate" now).
Very happy with the changes, I hope this becomes a regular thing
i also find it harder to feel motivated to cook when it's just me. cooking for others is a big part of why i would do that to begin with 🥪
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Do u think the highlander rule should apply to older reno cards
No. The older ones should be disrupt-able tbh
@@eizhamm4820 No they shouldn't. All highlander cards should have the same condition.
I think the Highlander effect should be its own Keyword at this point.
So you save 2 lines of text in the card to make more complex design, and also they all follow their own rules.
But I think they all should work with the same (new) condition. Is always a miserable experience when you try to have fun with your silly Reno deck, and all your good cards don't work cause you are matching agains Plague DK.
@@eizhamm4820if you need to disrupt the card, it means it is so strong that your opponent scuffing their deck isnt enough of a drawback. Which means the card should be nerfed, not the archetype killed.
@@paperknigth2263 Highlander being a keyword is a good idea, but it should be part of the Battlecry or else it would be a nerf.
So for example Zephrys would be "Battlecry (Highlander): Wish for the perfect card".
omg Reno is so bloody amazing. the main problem with reno was it was being hard ran on NON highlander decks, which to me always felt like the bully stealing your lunch money. at least now it is right at home with the highlander t3 decks! no more wheel reno or warrior reno
You know what would've been fun? "For one turn your opponent's board is lost in a Duststorm and is limited to 1 space for 1 turn." It would work like Secret passage, if your board was full and you play a minion, a random one is gone once the dust clears; your dormant things don't gain a turn - it's like nothing happened that turn, much like Anachronos from Paladin.
It would have been much better if the board was limited to 2 or 3 space instead of 1. Board space of 1 really makes players unable to answer Reno
Huge patch, might make me get back into Wild. Plus a big dust injection!
Ah beautiful, now is my time to play Reno priest
Heartburn that many times a week might be a sign. Do you wake up at night from it? I had it for a long time and finally went to the doctor about it a couple years ago. I now take one pill a day and it’s all but eliminated mine. I can still get it if I eat something particularly greasy late at night but it’s 95% gone.
Off to the cooking table!
Already playing odd reno demon hunter and having fun with it! Also Wizbang uses your skins now!
Can't wait to not have to deal with quest mage anymore
Keep up the good work Martian
I got 7,500 dust from all the nerfed cards
Quest mage is actually what got me to stop playing for the last while. Glad to see we're getting changes because it seriously killed my enjoyment of ladder. I'd also very much like to see some even warrior now that we've got sanitize back!
You've gotten to the ripe old age every martian gets to and now you've got to pay the price w/ your body. If you're willing, I'd keep track of the acidity of foods you're eating as being too acidic or too basic is often what causes prolonged heartburn. Best of luck though.
Seriously bummed about Gaslight Gatekeeper
16:28 murkspark angel
zok fogsnout can be played in even druid now!
this changes make pirate rogue and shadow priest stronger
Deepminer Brann is gonna be ridiculous now since it no longer gets disabled by duplicates in deck.
why is some nerfed card no full dust?
Bro best patch ever. Hope game will be fun again
Me want all Highlander cards to function the same!
ITS THE YEAR OF THE RENO SHAMAN BABY (it still gets farmed by questline warlock and the occasional kingsbane)
Time Warp should have had (Once per game) since the beginning, but better late than never.
I can’t believe they hit all the most annoying wild decks. No more waiting for quest mage to take 10 turns. No more taking 79 from forbidden fruit on turn 4 (true story). Mine rogue is slowed down significantly.
A little sad about Gaslight Gatekeeper going up a mana. I've been running Questline DH for a bit now and coining her on turn 2 was one of the strongest interactions in my deck.
I loved coin sigil of time on 2 into gatekeeper on 3
Even if Zarimi deck in Standar won't be good (jury is still out on that) it's going to be old Questline Warlock and Quest Mage: not good but extremely aggravating if you want to play control.
POG
The Return of Renee ❤ Buu stream Friday? Prayge
Yes! 🫡
So I can finally dust Quest mage and Floop, right? And take care mr. Buu, hope you eat well after mrs. Buu come back.
I haven't played the game in three expansions and I was getting terrorized by quest mage and mine rogue when I left.
No, Sunset Volley should absolutely NOT BE in the nerf section. You could argue that all tendril generating cards could be there but Sunset was buffed.
Another riveting patch review
Finally!
Wild is like almost saved for real. I mean not completely but still 😮
Bot Face is 5 mana with chemical spill.
quest mage needed the nerf and love the reno change
One annoying thing about nerfs particularly to time warp and gloop is that there are so many support legendaries you craft only to be used with said cards which are now basically useless and don't get a refund. Also please unnerf kobold since graveyard nerf :(
fr i have like a million mage legendaries that suck now
@@harnoordhillon8989which ones?
Deserved for playing mage and Druid /j
The Stealth loss is a buff in other classes, keyword-zax now taunts after being reborn. I do think that he is the better option in Reno Warrior now (standart)
3 copies are still better than one reborn. Really no reason to play it now
@@Jermu_ Three copies now BUT 8 copies with Boom, and that is pretty good
@@NN-cr6gx only 6 copies with boom and I don't think you even run boom.
@@Jermu_ 6? 4 from battlecry and 4 from Reborn. You clear every board, heal to full and leave elusive taunts.
Sure, this might not be in the meta deck, but this is what I have found success in.
@@NN-cr6gx 2 from reborn and 4 from boom
I'd also like the highlander cards stay active and also some more etc or scythe style cards to compensate a bit. (also can we talk about how they should've made scythe function similar to etc? like let me choose when I have more minions man. I like all the buffs and nerfs so far, but still dislike brann is a thing for druid and rogue and well auctioneer for druid. Well the biggest thing to make me happy would be if Blizzard was a decent and not shady company that doesn't basically try to exploit players for their time and money which basically always backfires as it should. Revert the quests and give us compensation Blizzard!!! (would be nice if you could give your take on that if you haven't already).
Also I find it funny that since flurgl got nerfed I haven't been able to play it against rogue this expansion because I get killed on turn 5 even with lightning storm on 3.
Minor editing error. Mods, change his favorite pokemon to Chingling.
IS WILD SAVED MARTIAN TELL ME
Woooooooo
Zarimi will be useless? What do u think?
Probably a lot harder to pull off in standart, but in wild it will be still easy because of the amount of dragons wild has
My partner was gonna this weekend and I definitely made the easiest food available in my house the whole time
Martian Sandwich
The Single man life, Sandwiches!
Cards are just too small to read at 1080p.
i actually think losing stealth on virus module is a buff in some situations, specifically when used with perfect module. stealth was basically never relevant when paired with rush, and was actually a detriment sometimes with the reborn, since it gets rid of the taunt. having it reborn into a taunt/d-shield/lifesteal is stronger as a defensive play, although maybe twin is still just better for one extra mana.
So, plague DK no longer counters Reno. Isn’t that a buff?
neither can it counter brann
Its a buff to the intended use, nerf to the most common use which was to just put it in regular decks and play it when it would be active late game. Its mana was also nerfed.
HI MARSHY
Good that I did not expect anything good from that Patch because I would be extremely disappointed.
I am not playing Wild so I am not giving any points to Blizzard for introducing a nerf to Waygate that I have been clamoring for years now.
They did not delete Zarimi, they did almost nothing to Beast Hunter and they buffed Reno Warrior. I have only two fords for Blizzard: F U :D
I don't want to have that consistency for HL cards, especially since I like having things like Zeph in Miracle/cute edwin rogue, loved seeing it in the occasional glarelock back in the day. Plus plagues are already weak in the scope of Wild, the only reason you'd run them is to disrupt heavy cycle. I really like even DK and it is only as flexible a MU spread currently because of plagues.
The only exception that would make sense is if they made it a keyword, which I would support. Badlands from a flavor standpoint could keep the black sheep HL cards, it already has that infamously tedious elemental chain compared to the usual elemental condition in every other expansion.
I think the plague package in Even DK is now and has always been the weakest part of the deck, and the only reason to play it is because the other options are that much worse.
@@MartianBuu it's not necessarily about what's the best, people like turning off the opponents Highlander effects and should be able to do so.
Also deciding which cards to run duplicates of was thought provoking, now we have one less thing to think about when making decks. Which ultimately is not a good change.
The Highlander change is a stinker, but the other ones are so good that I don't even care. Especially the quest mage one
Got a load of dust, kinda confused as to why "buffed" cards aren't refundable
Because why would you want a refund on a card that they made better?
@@NightDandy675 Even if it's been made better, it's been changed, and I just want funny large dust pile :^)
@NightDandy675 I think unless the card is made strictly better they should give a refund. Having a card lose a mana but also lose 2 health someone could argue that for them it's a nerf.
@@Raigaara Bruh. Obviously you can't leave a card overestated/underestated for its new mana cost depending on what you are trying to accomplish
@@Frozen_Hope yes, changed for the better
The Gloop nerf kills my Mecha'thun deck. It was my favourite for years, and now it will be forgotten.
They changed it so you can go above max mana only like a month ago, so...
Mechathun is almost completely unchanged from the nerf though? The nerf hits the deck that uses auctioneer and the 0 mana get attack per mana
The mecathun otk always abided by the 10/20 with guff maan limits
I think it’s time to say it. Patches the Pirate needs a nerf after that last pirate buff. Make it so it summons from your deck after turn 3 only. Kill it
Im honestly happy that Reno isnt becoming unplayable as many people want it to be.. Its a great card and the best board clear in the game
I dont think people who want it to be unplayable would disagree that its a great card and the best board clear in the game.
rip tentacle shaman, one of the most fun deck's i ever play in std 😭😭
you pressured them too much with your state of wild video Mr. Buu
Aggro wins again. Thank god for the new broken pirate, wild needed it.
Oh yes, inject these nerfs straingt into my bloodstream 🥴
On another note:
Rogue still has its overtuned draw, which enables 2 (arguably soon 3) Tier 1 Decks.
Mine players will likely flock to Garotte, Miracle and Pirates (buffed Treasure Distributor is incredibly busted), since they all decide games very early and barely ever gas out, thanks to their near infinite refill.
So while Blizzard has cut off one of Rogues heads, 3 will grow back even stronger, I fear.
Floops nerf is in my mind still extremely stupid.. I cant think of a single time where i was like: oh man i really hope they ban this card
they keep targetting anything but naval mine. RIP my 40th iteration of jade deathrattle rogue.
8:05 LOL
I actually do not like the "starting deck" change. It makes is so much more boring. It was a minigame in itself. 1) can you draw your duplicates or do you start with a highlander deck and 2) can you disrupt the opponent by shuffling useless cards into their deck. I know plague dk is obnoxious, but I think Helya was the mistake not the shuffling effect.
R.i.p. wheel of death + drakkari enchant, combo :(
Lucky
Odd Reno Renethal Combo Chumbo Warrior stonks have gone up with this patch.
they saved hearthstone
Standart actually plays Hero Power Druid very consistently
I don't know if Zok is gonna be used but at least now you can Sing-Along Buddy into it without having to get an 11th mana.
Also gonna point out that Shoplifter Goldbeard just lost his main way of being played which was to get him down to 1-Mana, copy it with Sonya and then deal 50 Damage from having it summon itself over and over.
Now if you do the discounts he goes to 0-Mana which means you gotta duplicate him in a different way.
I don't know what you consider to be consistently. Faced it once in over 100 games in Diamond.
#StateOfWild
Leaving aggro priest unchecked and imo wheel nerf was uneeded. Reno warrior looks fun though.
Wheel felt terrible because it said 5 turns but didn't give you 5 turns.
Why would evenlock want gatekeeper? That sounds awful.
Playhouse Giant
@@MartianBuuis it better than the 2 cost spell? Or do you run both?
@@NightDandy675From my understanding wasn’t Plot Twist always talked about as a trash card? I guess the body is good enough to make it better?
Oh just for playhouse giant? That sounds giga bait. If you gatekeeper on 4 with a full hand it doesn’t even make the giant free. I’d rather make a giant(s) or gigafin on turn 4 than a 3/4 do nothing.
I think I'll just disenchant every nerfed card and sit this one out. The quest nerfs (not the card, the weekly) make me not want to play.
Also, fuck plagues. I still hate them.
Oh great, now the tnt will blow up another tnt
The patch notes actually specifically say they can't blow each other up
@Eve0420 huh... I was not paying attention.
Can we nerf time warp more please
Definitely with you on the Reno, Lone Ranger change, feels like they completely missed the mark with it. Most of the other changes are good though, and I'm glad we got so many
Sad to see no nerf to secret passage...
I just took 10k dust to craft quest mage and 2 week later they remove it nice..
Instead of nerfing Gloop they should have just capped the limit on how much mana you can gain, no?
That would be a nerf
seeing the changes to highlander decks I just lost most of my interest in this game. The people who approved those changes must have been dropped on their heads as a babies
I dont know why u hate Reno, its so difficulty make highlander decks with win rate over 50 percent. U should be prized for making a highlander decks. The problem was some decks run duplicates with reno in the deck and plagues being so obnoxious so cut the effect of the reno. The problem is plagues on standard we dont have counter to that and to wheel
Make the highlander cards both starting deck and current deck. Idk why they didnt just do that.
Cause that would be lame and wordy
I have only come back to HS recently, always been a wild player and the state of the game is shocking. All the decks in decently high rank are just the most obnoxious 0 IQ decks I've ever seen. Heard about this patch and was pretty excited, very letdown now. Reno pretty much getting a buff into everyone but aggro, mine rouge barely getting touched, no shudderwock or demon seed changes at all. Just very disappointing besides the mage quest nerf.
Mmh... Reno nerf has impact on shudderwock deck being able to play it in turn 9 instead of 8 when you fight agro Decks... Also Nerf on Horror having 4/4 stats is impacting warlock seed Quest Deck
The mine rouge nerf is pretty much a death sentence against aggro
Aggro aggro, these decks are unfun to play against and an insta lose for midrange or control. Just really shit design imo. Just not fun to verse decks where they do nothing and then just kill you or lock you out of the game. If quest mage infinite got nerfed, why didn't shudderwock, it's just as bad with almost the exact same game plan. Also rouge has prep so its not even that much of a nerd to snowfall.
@@nodsohpt 1/1 of stats on a minion in a deck that kills you guaranteed after turn 7, yeah true great nerf!
@@infinateocember8878 you wrote it has No Impact on seed Quest at all but i See it differently because Sometimes it is about 1hp
Wild cards, decks constantly being killed is unsustainable and will only lead to the death of Wild.
There will be a lot less fun, good cards will become garbage, and money will become garbage. When you spend money to buy a golden card
You should never buy a golden card lol but regardless i strongly disagree and think the changes are mostly nice
@@M4XD4B0ZZ Not only me,martain has many golden card too,If you seeing his Twitch
@@xbbrealfans8530 i ment to say it is not worth buying cosmetics in digital card games in my opinion
The quest didnt need to be nerfed. Aggro were Running this deck easily
Found the quest mage
Yeah bro just get through my 2 ice blocks I can consistently draw, and then multiple copies that I can generate!
@@infinateocember8878and don't forget the board freezes and alibi
Ice block 2x + Rewind 2x to get 2 more ice block + 2x solid alibi + use other spells to generate rewind so you can get more ice blocks! FUN!
@@NeedForMotivationn Yeah man its got so much counterplay! Just have secret removal and enough burst before turn 7 or you lose!
Ah changes to the game, that I don't like. I was already not playing the game and have no intention to start again.
I'd have done "first rattle each turn" would've been cool for 2 mana.
All in all pretty decent changes, comparable to last year. Except reno
Finally a nerf to plague deathknight. It's so toxic.