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There is another solution for the 1st case (sidechain): use waveshaper (f.e. cableguys) instead of compressors. You can set everything manually under visual control.
The funny thing is that Big Z has a whole video talking about shaperbox being the best way to sidechain. Guess in this one he was targeting people who are still using traditional compressors.
Really Good Video! but I would like to add this: He is talking about the Whole Crest Factor of the mix, by reducing Dynamics you reduce the crest factor. The one of the most transparent way to do it is with a limiter that have look ahead. But be conscius that too much look ahead could kill your transients. That's why is important to apply other kinds of tools like Saturation, clipping, PRL Comp, etc, to reduce the crest factor in a more natural way and don't kill your transients in the process. Nice video btw.
How would this possibly work? If you delay a ghost kick it will just hit late. If you delay the track you are sidechaining kick to (like bass) then the bass will play late but compressor will work just as fast as it did before (because the sidechain signal is still happening at normal time)
For the people who use Shaperbox for sidechaing this is already applied, but you can manually change it with 'smooth' in the vst. Goodluck! Great video as always Big Z, never thought of this before.
I've been using the Lfo tool plugin in a very similar way making a small delay avoiding the zero crossover point and it sounds great. I recommend it!❤️
Brilliant video - thank you! Can you please explain the pros and cons of using look ahead time. Or maybe the different scenarios that would make its use more or less suitable? From what you've just shown here, it seems like you'd want it turned up all the time, right? But I know that's not the case...
i really liked this idea! I was wondering why we can't use a shaper (for eg from ShaperBox or etc..) and map the inverted frequency curve of the kick for the bass to duck it. would that behave differently?
Does shaperbox need lookahead if you're using a sidechain signal rather than the DAW synced tempo? Does it offer lookahead? I can't even remember - gotta open a session
Thank you so much for you video! I just don't understand why you have attack 10 ms. What if you reduce it to 0 ms instead? Will it do the same thing that lookahead does?
You get a tiny little click if the attack time is really low, most notably in bass sounds. Lookahead to 10-20 ms and an attack of 9-13 ms is usually enough to remove that little click. You need good speakers at loud volume to really be able to hear that click though.
I mean sure you can do that, but you can also just use a volume envelope to reduce the bass volume when the kick plays. It is much easier and more effective to do that than to use sidechain compression.
Hey! Now I wonder how all those stock, Cytomic, SSL etc glue compressors work on the drum bus. Are they getting the job done or basically distorting the track? Thanks
It's a good video, but there are 2 problems: 1 - in a DAW with delay compensation (like Cubase), it's much more profitable to use plugins like LFOtool or Duck. 2- On the master section, the lookahead parameter turns your clipper into a limiter. And the limiter on the master section is what kills the punch and smears the dynamics. Your mix is no longer competitive against the best modern mixes. What the author showed on the master bus needs to be done individually on the tracks, only then the drums and subs will take their proper place without distortion and loss of volume and dynamics. PS: -7 LUFS is not the competitive volume of a modern dance track. Especially when you consider that in this particular example there is no full-fledged sub. Any world-class hit in this genre will sound louder and more massive than this example.
yo thanks for this knowledge, I never really knew what lookahead could do for the whole mix, I always just assumed it was something to do with track latency
I was just trying to research lookahead and sidechaining to get rid of clicks, great video. But how do you get your drums to hit hard if you're taking transients away?
Yeah it preserves some transients in the master and can also make the master “appear” louder. A long look ahead time can give a smooth sound which can make the master sound a little dull
So you are adding a limiter on the drum group with larger look ahead and on the master channel? For the drums do you just limit or you add gain too within the limiter plug-in, such as makeup gain for a compressor ?
I want to know this too, because on the ProL2, the attack time isn't the same as compressor. It's the time it takes before the RELEASE kicks in, not the time it takes for the limiter to occur.
Attack time on a limiter is actually a knob to control when the release sets in. So it’s backwards from what you would normally think. Having a super long attack on a limiter means the release never really starts working, which actually makes the attack and release as instantaneous as possible
When you use it on Bass when doing SC, do you gone have the Lookahead on 20 ore do you gone have it on 0 and take it up until you dont here the clik? Really great trick thanks!
Advice needed: I’ve been struggling with not getting loud enough masters I think because I end up making the kick way too loud in comparison to everything else in the mix. The mastering engineer either makes it too quiet to preserve the life of the mix, or too distorted sounding because there are too many dyanmics between the drums/other elements. I do side-chain the bass to the kick typically using soothe or another multi-band compressor. However, I feel that is not enough. Any tips? I do not think side-chaining the whole mix to the kick is the answer either. I honestly think that is just an EDM/FL Trap producer thing lol
Do we need to worry about latency when doing this? I have noticed that in logic you can enable latency compensation and I'm pretty sure it does in fact compensate despite other saying otherwise, just curious what you think Big Z?
Good video, but whilst doing this, I noticed the signal touching the ceiling of the pro L2 without pushing too much, just like the normal limiting. Am I doing something wrong?
I dunno how he does it, but if you also wanna record and edit videos yourself here are 2 free software for you: OBS for screen recording and Capcut to edit
I use a Mac which actually has built in screen recording software. You just hit “command+shift+5” to bring it up. But you need a separate software called Loopback to route the audio from your computer to record that too. And my camera is a Canon Eos80D
If you don't have the lookahed option, make a silent copy of the kick, move it back the needed ms, and use that to chain the bass.
Yeah - this was my goto trick for gates before lookahead appeared in DAWs. I HATE clicks on the transients.
you only drop gems brother, thanks a lot
cool to know what lookahead actually does. The prints and zooms into the waves were appreciated
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Shoutout for you adding a “view products” button in the bottom left of the screen, allowing me to listen to your video with the app closed without paying for UA-cam plus!! I wish all creators did this. It helps the viewer experience while also helping you make sales on your merch store. It’s a win-win
Just finished rendering my mix for mastering and this popped up. Lets go
Thank you for the free lessons!!! And thank you for great clear and concise communication in your videos.
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There is another solution for the 1st case (sidechain): use waveshaper (f.e. cableguys) instead of compressors. You can set everything manually under visual control.
The funny thing is that Big Z has a whole video talking about shaperbox being the best way to sidechain. Guess in this one he was targeting people who are still using traditional compressors.
Really Good Video! but I would like to add this: He is talking about the Whole Crest Factor of the mix, by reducing Dynamics you reduce the crest factor. The one of the most transparent way to do it is with a limiter that have look ahead. But be conscius that too much look ahead could kill your transients. That's why is important to apply other kinds of tools like Saturation, clipping, PRL Comp, etc, to reduce the crest factor in a more natural way and don't kill your transients in the process. Nice video btw.
how can you use saturation to reduce crest factor?
@@bustamante-musicsaturation is a form of compression
@@bustamante-musicsaturation is just wave shaping.
Love the work you put into visualizing these concepts. Fire vid like usual 🔥
this might be the most underrated tutorial in music production
Because everybody sidechains with LFO tools and vol automation now?
You can also use a track delay on sidechain track to make sure it works on time and don't have to make an attack on compressor to work that fast.
How would this possibly work? If you delay a ghost kick it will just hit late. If you delay the track you are sidechaining kick to (like bass) then the bass will play late but compressor will work just as fast as it did before (because the sidechain signal is still happening at normal time)
@@lo-dose use pre delay on ghost kick - let's say -5ms and than just set attack on compressor 3-4 ms to make sure it hits just before actual kick drum
For the people who use Shaperbox for sidechaing this is already applied, but you can manually change it with 'smooth' in the vst. Goodluck! Great video as always Big Z, never thought of this before.
very simple and clear tutorial, thank you 💫🙏
This is solid education. Well done.
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I've been using the Lfo tool plugin in a very similar way making a small delay avoiding the zero crossover point and it sounds great. I recommend it!❤️
Clear and concise ... Thank god ! You get to the point instantly....and my attention span can handle it.
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This track is gorgeous. Link ?
great tip, it is hard to get the loudness in a track indeed, i also feel having a good mid frequency in the mix will contribute to a loud mix.
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Brilliant video - thank you! Can you please explain the pros and cons of using look ahead time. Or maybe the different scenarios that would make its use more or less suitable?
From what you've just shown here, it seems like you'd want it turned up all the time, right? But I know that's not the case...
You have some great content. Slowly making my way through your tutorials and I always keep learning new stuff.
nice stuff, well explained and for sure makes a huge difference.
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I guess if I started mixing two weeks ago, that would be my perception too. CLA, Clearmountain, Roger Nichols maybe, but...
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i really liked this idea! I was wondering why we can't use a shaper (for eg from ShaperBox or etc..) and map the inverted frequency curve of the kick for the bass to duck it. would that behave differently?
Does shaperbox need lookahead if you're using a sidechain signal rather than the DAW synced tempo? Does it offer lookahead? I can't even remember - gotta open a session
@@lo-dose i was reading some of the comments below and it says shaper box offers lookahead
Thank you so much for you video!
I just don't understand why you have attack 10 ms. What if you reduce it to 0 ms instead? Will it do the same thing that lookahead does?
You get a tiny little click if the attack time is really low, most notably in bass sounds. Lookahead to 10-20 ms and an attack of 9-13 ms is usually enough to remove that little click. You need good speakers at loud volume to really be able to hear that click though.
@@Pattarns_Music Thank you so much!!!!!! I will listen more carefully into this!!!
I mean sure you can do that, but you can also just use a volume envelope to reduce the bass volume when the kick plays. It is much easier and more effective to do that than to use sidechain compression.
Hey! Now I wonder how all those stock, Cytomic, SSL etc glue compressors work on the drum bus. Are they getting the job done or basically distorting the track? Thanks
Nice tips, tune is fire.
Spot on once again Z!!!
It's a good video, but there are 2 problems:
1 - in a DAW with delay compensation (like Cubase), it's much more profitable to use plugins like LFOtool or Duck.
2- On the master section, the lookahead parameter turns your clipper into a limiter. And the limiter on the master section is what kills the punch and smears the dynamics.
Your mix is no longer competitive against the best modern mixes.
What the author showed on the master bus needs to be done individually on the tracks, only then the drums and subs will take their proper place without distortion and loss of volume and dynamics.
PS: -7 LUFS is not the competitive volume of a modern dance track. Especially when you consider that in this particular example there is no full-fledged sub. Any world-class hit in this genre will sound louder and more massive than this example.
wow, such a simple trick. Thanks man!! Subscribed
yo thanks for this knowledge, I never really knew what lookahead could do for the whole mix, I always just assumed it was something to do with track latency
Great tips on compression
Very good video, and so clearly explained.
Thank you.
Thank you sir
Great video (as always)! Cheers
Mind blowing video
Thanks for explaining!
I was just trying to research lookahead and sidechaining to get rid of clicks, great video. But how do you get your drums to hit hard if you're taking transients away?
Cheers mate! Big love
Sick ❤ thank you so much for your time
Wonderful lesson ty sir
Please do a breakdown of this song
It depends on the style of course, but for me when using the lookahead, the drums become way softer which I don't want
Interesting, for me it's the opposite lol
They become softer because they are not being distorted. Depends on how you want your drums to sound of course
@@DrumNBassed yep! If I use pro L I keep the lookahead at 0 but I play with the attack settings until I get it
Awesome lesson😊
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Thank you for the tips!
Why do you put a slow attack if you want to reduce the pics pretty fast?
bro your videos are amazing thankyou
Why did you turn down the Lookahead on the master Limiter? Whats the downside of having it at 100%? CPU?
Longer look-ahead times are safer, but less loud, and transients might appear to get lost in the mix a little more.
Exactly this, when the Limiter has time to prepare for all the signal it will squash all of the transient information
Yeah it preserves some transients in the master and can also make the master “appear” louder. A long look ahead time can give a smooth sound which can make the master sound a little dull
Great video, thanks
So you are adding a limiter on the drum group with larger look ahead and on the master channel?
For the drums do you just limit or you add gain too within the limiter plug-in, such as makeup gain for a compressor ?
Why is the attack so long?
I want to know this too, because on the ProL2, the attack time isn't the same as compressor. It's the time it takes before the RELEASE kicks in, not the time it takes for the limiter to occur.
Attack time on a limiter is actually a knob to control when the release sets in. So it’s backwards from what you would normally think. Having a super long attack on a limiter means the release never really starts working, which actually makes the attack and release as instantaneous as possible
@@BigZMusic Wow, thank you for explanation!!!
Release time for sidechain compression has always been my question
How would you do that with Logic stock plugins? Compressor doesn't have the support for lookahead, However Multipressor has one. Is that a way to go?
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thank you man❤
When you use it on Bass when doing SC, do you gone have the Lookahead on 20 ore do you gone have it on 0 and take it up until you dont here the clik? Really great trick thanks!
A great little tip, niceeeeee.
every video starts like "that is nobody really think about" but in reality EVERY good producer knows it and mostly uses it and thinks about :-D
can you apply lookahead on the fruity limiter (for sidechain)?
Why do I feel like whenever I add look ahead on the Ccomp it adds a tiny bit of latency
Awesome 👏
Does look ahead apply to Ableton compressor as well?
Advice needed: I’ve been struggling with not getting loud enough masters I think because I end up making the kick way too loud in comparison to everything else in the mix. The mastering engineer either makes it too quiet to preserve the life of the mix, or too distorted sounding because there are too many dyanmics between the drums/other elements. I do side-chain the bass to the kick typically using soothe or another multi-band compressor. However, I feel that is not enough. Any tips? I do not think side-chaining the whole mix to the kick is the answer either. I honestly think that is just an EDM/FL Trap producer thing lol
So we should limit our sound before limiting on mastering?
Question were you using the limiter on a drum loop or was it on the drums bus
Do we need to worry about latency when doing this? I have noticed that in logic you can enable latency compensation and I'm pretty sure it does in fact compensate despite other saying otherwise, just curious what you think Big Z?
cool explanation
is there any negatives to a higher set value on lookahead settings? so if I want less digital distortion I crank up the lookahead and opposite?
so did you do the ProC with lookahead, then bounce that bass track, and THEN do the limiter (and then bounce that or don't bounce that?)
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Good video, but whilst doing this, I noticed the signal touching the ceiling of the pro L2 without pushing too much, just like the normal limiting. Am I doing something wrong?
Cool vid, thanks. What’s the name of the song please?
High lookahead when using ProL2 for tracks. Low lookahead when using ProL2 for mastering.
Thats what you mean?
Good one
Why not always put lookahead up to maximum? Is there a trade off?
Are there any downsides of using a longer lookahead time?
Playback feels laggy to me. But that makes sense. You’re literally adding lag
CPU usage will increase. Could make a difference if you got a lot of instances of the plug-in looking ahead.
Does this only apply to edm songs or can this texhnique be applied to ither genres
nice as always
How do you record (and cut) your videos'?
I dunno how he does it, but if you also wanna record and edit videos yourself here are 2 free software for you: OBS for screen recording and Capcut to edit
wowww thank you!!!
The real question is, does the lookahead feature work ONLY IF kick and bass are rendered?
Is there any reason that he does not use this technique direct on the synth and vocal bus?
does lookahead have any cons? if not, why not get it at 100% every time?
Great thanks for sharing
why not use lookahead on highest setting all the time?
Why on earth use a compressor for sidechaining when you have Shaperbox 3 installed?
So we're sacrificing transients and dynamics in order to have it end up being played at the same loudness as other songs on spotify anyways?
Hey, Big Z which software are you using for recording screen and camera?
I use a Mac which actually has built in screen recording software. You just hit “command+shift+5” to bring it up. But you need a separate software called Loopback to route the audio from your computer to record that too. And my camera is a Canon Eos80D
@@BigZMusic yes, but how you record your self in the same time?
good content, bro