What if Silverstone Still Had Bridge Corner?
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2023
- Another quick fun one for you- whenever I talk about the old Silverstone layout it's always the same: They should never have got rid of Bridge corner. Is that nostalgia talking? Probably.
But through the magic of simulation we can get an idea of what the lap times would be like if F1 still used this layout and not the current layout which, controversially, I think is better. Switchback City from turn two to Luffield.
So then, let's look at this classic layout, and see how F1 cars would fare.
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00:00: Intro
02:03: RSS 2013 Lap (Jenson Button 2013 skin)
05:25: RSS Formula Hybrid 2020 Lap (Lewis Hamilton 2020 skin)
08:44: RSS Formula Hybrid 2023 Lap (Lando Norris 2023 skin)
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Would have gone about a tenth faster in the 2013 car if I remembered you have to basically red line it. Grrrrr...
Paul Ricard: “we have 167 different layouts!!!”
Other racing circuits: “just pretend the old track never existed…”
Also Paul Ricard: and the colors cause seizures!
the old layout is always fun to play in F1 CE
I was a QA tester for Eidos and worked on F1 games in 98, 99, and 00. This layout is the one! Wish they could go back to it nowadays 😢
Whilst it was a shame to lose Bridge corner, these videos show that it would essentially be an acceleration zone nowadays. The new circuit produces better racing with another good straight into Brooklands, and the Brooklands/Luffield section flows much better due to the less tight entry into Brooklands, providing some genuine side by side/switchback opportunities going towards Copse.
I think people have a lot of nostalgia for what were challenging corners (or at least ones which required bravery to turn into) in cars of the period. Those same turns are no longer such a challenge. You used to have to shift in Eau Rouge, for example.
Eau Rouge/Raidillon used to be more bendy in the past, they've got straighten in the name of safety...
@@ondrejkratochvil4589No
@@ondrejkratochvil4589 eau rouge/ radillion is the same shape it has been since the 1930s. the inside and outside have been changed slightly but it is still the EXACT same line it always has been
@@sennasenna6023literally not true. In 2007 they changed it completely. Watch the ITV pre race coverage from Belgian GP if you can find it, (I’ve got it on tape) it explains it all. They kept the spirit, but they did change the corner and the angle of the corner. Flattened it a little, less tight on entry and exit.
@@sennasenna6023 it was made faster in the 70s and has been re-profiled a couple of times since.
I remember standing at bridge bend for the f1 tyre test in 91 think it was the first time this layout was used. Great spot to watch with the dip down under the bridge and the upward slope after. Seeing Ayrton et al flat through. Walked under it in 19 brought the memories back... Good ones too!
I first went to Silverstone in 1985 (and saw a young Martin Brundle finish 7th in a Tyrrell Renault) and stood at Abbey Curve. It was about 190MPH and all we had in front of us was a small wall (and a fire marshall). I loved that layout, and the closeness of the track to the spectator!
isn’t that layout basically the same as the 60s but with a chicane 😭 the 80s was wild
@@sennasenna6023 There was a stretched chicane at Woodcote I think but apart from that it was just straight lines round the air field!
Bridge was a monster before they put the chicane at Abby. Imagine arrive at bridge having been flat all the way from club in a modern F1 car.
Or upside down if you’re Pedro Lamy.
For a better reference time than Vettel's 2009 pole, the track record on the Bridge layout was 1:18.233 by Kimi in 2004.
On race fuel as well, as were the rules then. Which is why I used Vettel as the benchmark and not Kimi since the low fuel run was more like for like.
@@AidanMillward But IIRC in 2009 Q3 was still with race fuel.
I don't remember for 2004, I only remember the two-sessions/one lap shenanigans.
Walking on the old track and under the bridge is class
Drove over the bridge last year.
@@AidanMillwardNow do it in an F1 car!
I was recently doing this in assetto corsa. Silverstone is frustrating as all of the layouts are so good that I wish we had the old ones but I like the new one.
As someone who started watching in mid 2010s, I have never seen a race with the old layout, and as a result, have no attachment to it. So it's cool to see how it might have worked in modern f1
It'd be interesting to see how fast today's cars (or the one's put here) would go around the 1975-86 edition of the GP Circuit given that Prost holds/held the lap record for that era of 1'09:886. Could be fun if they have those variations out.
I’ve run round the 67 layout. Close as it’ll get I think.
@@AidanMillward Yeah looks like it for the time being. It would be fun though
Well for me this is not classic Silverstone - the one Keke Rosberg did his monster hotlap around in 1985, with Williams with quali engine and quali tires, that's the classic one :) Honestly when I saw in 1991 what they did to the circuit, I was pretty horrified and sad 😱
That is the closest I've heard a sim car come to the real thing. That V8 just screams
I prefer the old layout to drive, especially without the chicane before bridge but the new layout does provide better racing. Generally speaking silverstone been in the top 5 races for the last 10 years for me at least
Also another plus for the older layout, the National and international circuit (I believe that was their names) were much better than the newer iterations
I deeply miss bridge. It added a bit of visual drama to the lap, there was the obvious change in elevation which you don’t really notice on the rest of the circuit.
The car coming out of a short flash of darkness
The crackle of the on board camera footage for a fraction of a second.
THAT touring car race.
I can understand why it had to happen though and as much as I do miss it, there’s no denying the ‘new’ infield section is great for spectating.
Shame it’ll never be possible to run the old layout again though, but it’s nice to dream!
i love driving this layout so much the international layout of this era was great too
That old international was actually my favorite layout, hence my reason for not liking the new one too much.
The actual bridge corner is still there to look at xx. Having done track days there on bikes and cars Bridge was magical on the edge. Deep breath and throw it in everytime loved it
Yep. Drive over the bridge late last year.
*sees Silverstone with Bridge section
Magneto: Perfection
Can you imagine the 2020 Merc lap around there? That would be INSANE
I think alternating the layout every year would be cool, although the new layout has grown on me
awesome video
Silverstone is definitely one of the great F1 events of the year. Great work you Brits.
Always thought it was a shame they cut out this part of the track. Saw F1 cars and did several track days on my track bike and again great for viewing and riding.
Thank you!
Silverstone from the 60's is one of my favorite tracks, I really enjoy this layout too. The new one is meh. Good video is always
My favourite version of Silverstone
The sheer downforce of the 2020 car in the first sector in particular is almost scary!! That thing looks practically glued down at 190mph 😲😲😅
I hadn't heard the RSS V8 2013 yet, and daaaamn they did a good with the audio. Downshifts perfect for the Renault V8.
The blown diffuser mod is so real sounding it hurts.
Fantastic job, love to see my track mod featured in more and more videos.
Rf2 version when? 🥹
@@AidanMillward My comment disappeared🤔
@@AidanMillward In short, I'm unfamiliar with rF2 track modding, I have to use a 3D software that I hate and it is a paid one because rF2's export plugins are made exclusively for it. Still have to find a good guide for modern rF2 track making and I haven't checked in years 😅
@@Kniker97 not sure what happened to the comment, youtube does that sometimes and people always assume it’s me doing it. 😅
@@AidanMillward Yeah, YT acts weird sometimes. About the track, I can't make any promise but after I'm done with my current WIP mod I'll try to sort things out to make a conversion of the Silverstone mod for rF2.
The last game to have this old layout was GRID 2019 surprisingly enough. Probably would've been in GRID Legends as well if it wasn't for licensing issues.
Minor note, if you maximise track width on entry (looked like you were leaving a foot or so) you don't have to yeet it at the apex so hard and you'll carry more speed without upsetting the car. Obviously not as critical in racing where the potential loss of putting a wheel in the dirt is greater than the gain but in quali it can make all the difference.
Aw that screaming V8 just makes the whole experience more exciting, the other two just seem soooo tame.
The 2020 car was the most fun to drive of the three. Just dared you to try and go faster.
@@AidanMillward Its the same feeling I got taking it around Catalunya. It just Transforms Turn 9 from a corner where you had to lift in hopes of making it to just being fully flat out (Which after years of not doing that, is abit scary the first time around).
2:03 that's an awesome mod
The current layout infield does allow for overtaking. Wellington straight especially. Village is a little frustrating but helps set the cars up for the straight.. In fact with the current cars, most places on the circuit offer it. Bridge was good from a spectactor pov but broke the flow of the circuit and didn’t really help with overtaking.
As much as I miss the old layout, at least the current one still offers some decent racing. Plus, I'm sure the thought of 20 fuel heavy cars descending as one into Copse corner these days would give the marshals nightmares
An onboard view would be so much cooler. So we can really see the track layout
The 2010/2011+ layout definitely produces better racing, but this version will always be my favourite to drive on sims and the F1 games. The fact the mod also includes the old international layout makes me even happier.
Best layout was early 90’s with flat out abbey and 2 part luffield. Leagues better than what’s there now.
I don't hate the new layout, it definitely provides good racing but I still love the old layout. It just flows so much better, it's fun to play in games and I just have a lot of fond memories of the old Silverstone to be honest. Being sat at Bridge corner watching the cars scream by with all their V10 goodness was always incredible!
I've driven both layouts in various video games, and the old one, in my experience, provided the better racing.
While I don't hate the current layout as Turn 1 does provide abit of danger factor depending on how deep your willing to go (and how brave/stupid you are) much like the old one (Albeit in a different fashion), the old layout just has a flow to it that I really liked.
I'd just like to say before watching that I was happy to sacrifice bridge in order to get the current layout. In an era of shortened circuits on the site of the old to modernise them (interlagos, osterreichring, hockenheim) it was refreshing to see a modernisation of a classic circuit that extended it.
God the 2013 cars sounded so awesome.
I have to hear them every once in a while to remember why we miss them
I remember the 2010 British GP because it was the same day as my niece's christening. It was an easy choice to make as I preferred the old layout. Also because family comes first
Much more interesting would be if the original Woodcote was in use, the pre chicane one
I do like the bridge section, although i feel the infield section suits modern F1 cars infinitely more than the bridge layout. If the old layout was used in modern F1, I feel that Silverstone would instantly go from one of the best tracks on the calendar for racing, to one of the worst
I'd agree with that. I do wish they'd have kept Bridge though, changed Priory to a right hander, then ran some kind of infield from there, rejoining at Brooklands.
Nitpicking though. As track modifications go, they did a pretty decent job with Silverstone.
Bridge into Priory/Brooklands was always such a tricky corner to get right. The new layout is better for racing, but the village/loop slow speed stuff is a bit meh.
The thing is with the new layout is it could really do with the Abu Dhabi treatment. Silverstone is a high speed circuit, hell, the slowest corners here (brooklands and luffields) we're still
press F6 on the onboards to get the realistic offset T Cam
Having rwyb track days on both, i lrefer the old layout.
The new layout is better for racing/overtaking since there's a long straight and DRS zone. But I just loved the Bridge section. It looked good on TV and it was a very technical section for sim racing that favored the skilled driver. Bridge was a super fast dangerous corner that lead into the slowest non-Monaco corner in F1...I always liked that disparity. The new section is a little too soulless Herman Tilke for my tastes!
Nah the new layout is much better. At least one more overtaking spot and first 2 corners are much more fun and challenging. The Old bridge was fun before the corner they added the ugly left-right chicane before the bridge.
I do enjoy the abbey chicane but being the new approach into Brooklands is 🥰
still my preferred (and fave) layout of Silverstone
Edit: The track link is borked so here's one I got earlier: drive.google.com/file/d/18rjDqYryBmEhQS-k3fFL1qAuEssIWlDy/view
2:05 2013 car TV cam
3:48 2013 car onboard
5:27 2020 car TV cam
7:04 2020 car onboard
8:45 2023 car TV cam
10:24 2023 car onboard
Time stamps are in the description tho 🙃
@@AidanMillwardnobody ever reads the description lol
@@F2007KR sounds like a them problem tbh 😅
I prefer the modern layout as its more unique to other tracks,but still theres more fun in the old one
Honestly i think the new track is better as it gives us better racing. Thought the pre2010 is more fun to drive
Funny when we say 'the old layout', the response ought to be 'which one?' There's plenty. It's jarring looking back even to the 80s. There's Bridge, there's Stowe... Wait a second, where's Maggots-Becketts-Chapel? What weird alternate universe is this? When us millenials say 'the old layout' we mean this one. *The* old layout, the one I first watched on ITV. How many regenerations has the place had? I miss the thrill of Bridge flat out, but it's really the speed that sells it, not any moves, which were indeed hard to pull off in the day. Even when people talk about Barrichello-Raikkonen in '03, it was more forcing the other guy to make a mistake than overtaking. If Bridge was still there, it would at least show more clearly that there is some bloody elevation change at this circuit, Alex Jacques, stop saying it's completely flat!
It also occurs to me that once it's been around about 5 years or so, you can't call it 'new' anymore. We really ought to know the corner names in the first sector, but I bet people still call them the new corners and don't know their names. It sounds strange to call it the 'new' Hockenheim, since it's been around over 20 years. Sakhir and Shanghai mark 20 years next year, so it'll soon be time to start calling them historic circuits. Jesus, I'm getting old.
Annoys me that they didnt keep this layout. They could so easily bring it back, its still there pretty much then its an option for other championships if they dont want to run the Full GP circuit
I'll never understand why they changed the layout. I mean, I'll bow to those who actually visit the place and say it's better, and I completely understand that they had to upgrade the facilities - some of the stories have to be heard to be disbelieved - but as far as I'm concerned the actual track layout had peaked. The thing is, now I've hit middle-age I realise just how recent that "classic layout that had always been there" really was. Oh well.
They could have used it for the second British GP in 2020.
I preferred Abbey flat out before it was changed to a chicane.
#BringBackBridgeCorner
can you re link the track please? the link has gone dead
As well as the loss of Bridge, I would point out that the subtle alteration of Club was really unneccesary and over-complicating a corner that worked extremely well. The Abbey chicane was a great overtaking opportunity because of the way a defending driver had to handle the previous section -- Hangar Straight, Stowe and Vale , accelerating through Club with many moves finished at Abbey or even Bridge (see Barrichello's heroics at the 2003 British Grand Prix).
And the Abbey chicane was a corner that worked really well, just loved that corner in Grand Prix 4. Unfortunately it didn't work for bikes (insufficient runoff) so MotoGP needed a new layout... a pity they had to put two new hairpins in it, although the new Abbey and the "new" Brooklands are great corners (Brooklands not technically new because it was already on the club circuit).
Me and my boss were just talking about old silverstone being the best as I finished work, what a coincidence
It would be much much better, the best layout is 91-93, ultra fast
Silverstone has always confused me as a track, probably because I used Forza 3 and 4 to learn the layout for todays F1 and then only recognized a few corners 🥴
As an F1 fan whose 1st British GP was 2009 and then went back and watched the early 2000s races there, I miss the Bridge corner layout too.
Don’t those old cars sound better!
I just don't get on with new Silverstone. I've driven it in everything from hot hatches to supercars and beyond, and S1 has no flow whatsoever. I can acknowledge it is an objectively good racing circuit whilst subjectively preferring Donnington, Brands Hatch, Oulton Park, etc. It's actually similar to problem to COTA and the USA. The country has so many legendary (and downright supperior) tracks--Road Atlanta, VIR, Watkins Glenn, Sonoma, Laguna Seca, Atlanta Motorsports Park, Mid Ohio, Road America, etc., but COTA (much like Silverstone) is the only circuit in the country to hold a Grade 1 FIA license, so it unfortunately recieves the most attention.
Turn 4 is usually my problem spot because of not being able to see the corner with a single monitor setup.
@@AidanMillward, great point. In sim racing, the new layout is a nightmare, and the corners appear to be more blind/unsighted than they are in real life.
@@flyingphoenix113 adds to the fun I think. Raced in the rf2 formula challenge series there and it was some of the most fun I’ve had in sim racing/esporf.
Very far-fetched but I thought it would've been awesome if it were renovated in 2020 and they raced this layout for the 70th Anniversary GP!
Bridge was far better than today's insipid layout.
I mean was it really? The current layout provides great racing. Just because it was fast and classic doesn’t mean it was better.
@greengringolr , depends on your standard for "good". If overtaking is the standard, the new circuit is a considerable improvement. If flow, elevation change, and corner diversity are the metrics, the old circuit was better.
@@greengringolr In my opinion, yes.
The old layout was good for racing too
I loved bridge, it was literally favourite corner BUT the new layout is better. The run out of the new section down Hanger into Luffield creates battling from The Loop all the way to copse.
Why was the layout changed anyway? I like the new layout but the change always felt a bit pointless in my opinion
Bernie and Max were hounding the circuit for years to upgrade the facilities. The car parks became the Somme when it rained, traffic was horrendous and the priest on the track put them on their last warning.
Now the place is state of the art and a fantastic place to visit.
Bring back V10s. Now there's a good name for an excellent podcast series (just saying). Modern F1 cars sound dreadful.
What if anyone knew what Bridge corner was?
I prefer this “old” layout… I don’t get why they “must” change the tracks to create “better” racing, they could just make the cars smaller and lighter instead of bigger and heavier… 🤨
In Silverstone’s case the upgrades have done exactly what they were designed to do.
the current layout is still a great track but the prior version of Silverstone was perfection.
Who thought Luffield was a good idea?
Imagine social media in 1991 when they put that section in as well as maggots and beckets. tHeYVe RuINeD SILvErStoNe!!!!!!!
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the current layout
I really don't like the new layout. Old layout is best layout.
Those V8’s still sound awful even now. Gutless, buzzing wasps…
They revved too high for what they were.
@@AidanMillward high RPM, mixed with a puny capacity meant they lost a lot of the depth and throatiness of the V10’s. Once you realised they were also the best part of 250bhp down on power as well, the 3am scooter on Ibiza thing becomes inescapable in your mind.
Im not saying there are not things i would change about modern F1, but I hated that whole GP2 era of F1 cars from 1998 onwards, but especially 2006-2013…
@@gdogg3710 people rave about the 18, 19, 20k v10s but the late 90s ones were much better
@@AidanMillward I love anything circa 2004 tearing down the main straight at Monza for just all our sensory assault, but the 90’s engines probably were more rounded sounding…2.5k less revs, bit of a rougher engine note…probably best sounding engine for me roughly of that era is the Ferrari Tipo 3.5l V12 from 1994 post when they’d been getting tech support of Honda. Great balls out noise and less shrill than the end game V10’s…
Just to buck the trend here....Silverstone 1991-2009 was the worst layout....2010 onwards has provided far better races and same for the previous version before it was sanitised from fastest track on the calendar (Yes, Silverstone was always faster than Monza or Hockenheim....)
P.s.thank god the V8s are gone they sound horrid.
The main thing I get out of this is halo device cars are rubbish.