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Hey wanna know something neat? All the third awakenings happen in a characters home. In their room. But Goros happens in Leblanc. He considered Leblanc his home.
ThomasEyeThink With the MO of the Arkham Knight. The Phantoms don’t kill, but Crow does. In Arkham Knight, Bats and A.K. are similar except Batman has a no kill policy and the A.K. justified killing.
And yet that doesnt mean you shouldnt do it. I mean thats also what lelouch did. And succesfully. You just shouldnt see yourself as a good person doing it, even if it benefits others. Anyone who wants to stop you is just as right as you.
TMSonicFan47 same after actually ranking up with him I respect him more especially when he admits he hates you because you excel further than him Akechi truly is a friend/rival/traitor 😂😂😂😂
If he had the same friends and love that joker got he'd be very similar. Maybe chaotic good. Futaba noted he can only use two personas since he doesn't trust anyone.
@@CanOfDarkFruit His situation is way too similar to Aigis, since both don't have proper confidant/social links in the first release. However, both are the most popular characters in the JP community. The enhanced versions give them the proper links; Aigis receives the Aeon link in January before the final battle, Akechi have a remade link based on the unused materials from the first version and anime, even Proof of Justice serves as a teaser. The new canon enforces both of their roles as the deuteragonist, considering their close connections towards the protagonist.
Vanessa Chow Jia Ying it’s a nice addition, and I don’t really think it’s a bad thing. Sure it’s a little unoriginal, but it doesn’t really make it bad if it helps the character.
@@aarong8099 The enhanced versions fixes the narrative issues seen in the first versions. They even add new characters/social links in order to give a deeper meaning of the themes and the mythology that each of the games represent. For Royal, they add Adam, another figure of Gnosticism as the final enemy, with the theme being the Garden of Eden and ideology being escapism from cruel reality/mistreatment. It was carried over in Scramble, using Plato belief for Sophia and False God Demiurge. Also they even pushed some of the characters being left behind greater importance. Aigis made her resolution after her return and promised day, it took effect in the Answer, after her partner's death on her arms. For Akechi, he made up his mind to restore reality even if he might die again. Both made their innermost realizations in near endgame, due to their close connections to the respective protagonists.
Well done with Akechi's voice. Even in english dub he can show his real emotions in his voice. Not anymore detective prince Akechi but angry and bolt Akechi.
I think all the main English VA for the most part in the persona series are really good. Especially when you think of just how many lines they have to keep up that level of energy for
Yeah, once Maruki's palace disappears the dream will go with him. That includes Akechi, but he honestly couldn't give a shit. Even after learning he's just a fabrication of someone's reality. Goro Akechi, he decides the truth.
Damn. Akechi's role got a huge upgrade from this added segment. Back in the original game they don't even so much as mention him again after his death which was honestly pretty disappointing. Showing how his last stand affects the thieves by factoring it into the endgame choice is an even better upgrade than I anticipated
Akechi is such a deep and interesting character. He could’ve been a. One dimensional insane rival but Akechi has so many layers to him. He literally is staring death in the face and giving it a middle finger.
@@RyzaLoves even in vanilla he had depth with how he was willing to sacrifice himself to save the heroes. In royal, they just cemented what his philosophy was, by having him help us
I didn’t really understand the Akechi hype in Vanilla, but Royal turned him into my absolute favorite character. He’s such a breath of fresh air to a team built entirely on optimism and the power of friendship. My only regret is that we didn’t have MORE time with him and Sumi as the sole party members, and him playing Navi. Those Navi lines live in my head rent-free
I absolutely love how much Akechi embodies the chaos alignment from mainline to quote Louisa Ferre "humans, born of god's madness belong to me, though I have no love for them I won't abandon them either, that is freedom"
As far back as the original game, I suspected he was based off of the "Chaos Hero" concept arguably more so than Joker. His third-tier Persona has all but solidified it, as well as his wish to be free even if it means death.
@@Moda-pf8wt I know. But since I like Akechi's silent and kind self, it was very unsettling for me to see him that way. However, I must say that his over the top lines while he fights are really cool!
While your not really wrong, I think Yuri Lowenthal definitely takes the cake for his roles as P3 Protag, Ryoji, and Yosuke but Robbie would definitely be my second
6:38 Its so messed up Maruki completely disregards Akechi's feelings about his own life and death. At this point Maruki thinks he's being benevolent by granting Joker's wish, but its at the price of Akechi's autonomy as a human being. People say the false reality ending kills Sumire, but I'd argue it kills Goro Akechi too. His personality and memory rewrites are so extensive he may as well be a completely different person.
Late reply but hey. Maruki appears to suffer from what is called a Messiah Complex - he believes that, against _all_ reasoning, he is destined to "save" the world. That is why this so-called discussion is more of a Lecture, with him just telling us to accept his actions because we've no chance of victory. He neglects Akechi and Sumire because, at the end of the day, Maruki thinks he knows best; it's a worthwhile sacrifice. In regard to the rewriting of Akechi and Sumire, I'd say the PTs are being hypocritical with how quick they were to overwrite people, but that's another subject matter entirely. Regardless, I didn't hesitate stopping Maruki back then, and I never regretted my decision.
@@harryunderwood9387 “Happiness”. That is what Maruki aims for. But he showed COMPLETE disregard for the feelings of other people, ultimately. He can justify making light of people’s depression or emotionally harassing them… he’ll erase all of that the next day. If anything, Maruki is a hypocrite, and his stupid cult followers are just as moronic as him.
@@harryunderwood9387 thank you. Because i never understood why people are defending Maruki for his actions. If there is one thing, he is much worse then any other PT victims, because unlike him they were aware of consequences of their actions, while Maruki was whole time till end ignorant of all falts in his plan.
Truthfully, As Robin Hood follows the theme of the other Phantoms’ Initial Personas’ theme of mostly from modern fictions or historical figures whether proven or contested...BUT is not actually Akechi’s Initial Persona,... AND Loki follows the theme of the other Phantoms’ 2nd Tier Ultimate Personas’ theme of being mythological tricksters...BUT is actually Akechi’s TRUE Initial Persona,... Hereward “seemingly” follows the theme of the other Phantoms’ 3rd Tier Ultimate Personas’ theme of which it is the result of fusing the historical figure Initial Persona & the mythological trickster 2nd Tier Ultimate Persona AND said result is the being named after the original names of the fictional characters their initial Personas represent; ...BUT IS ACTUALLY the fusion of two standalone Personas resulting to Akechi’s TRUE Ultimate Persona. 🤔
That's cool and all, meanwhile google and wikipedia and other sources gave me Hereward the Wake/Exile, an Anglo-Saxon nobleman and resistance leader of dubious origins who opposed the Duke of Normandy, William the First/Conqueror/Bastard. Hereward is another one of those interesting names that became antiquated and outdated in modern times.
@@1aundulxaldin also the Anglo-Saxon worships Loki before the advent of Christanity, giving a double meaning behind Akechi's true ultimate Persona. Also Hereward is known to defy death twice, which kind of matches Akechi's situation in Royal true end, making out his confidant and promise.
Robbie Daymond gets my ovations one more time! Completely different intonation and sounding of Goro. You literally can see his change from hokey detective to cocky realist. I watched this in japanese dub, which is good too, but english dub subdues to the core.
@@Moda-pf8wt Agreed. And, he was even the most popular male character in the official Persona 5 Popularity Poll too. Makoto won for the female one. This was after the anime aired.
I swear you Goro fanboys are mental. Does the fact that he killed hundreds of thousands and is most likely responsible for murdering Wakaba mean nothing to you people?!
@@yungbreezy36 Man, I remember when persona fanbase wasnt filled with smartasses like you. Most of the new fans are really chill though, expect when they cry about waifus lmao
But maybe he didn't die then in the first place, who's an illusion would he of been if Joker didn't accept this reality as truth. His teammate's illusions disappeared once they rejected it so 🤔
Small detail, but I really love how Joker has that little moment of "There's no going back now..." That little moment of doubt in situations like that is usually reserved for if you make the BAD choice, like accepting Yaldabaoth's deal, for example. It adds that little bit of uncertainty that makes this ending decision feel a lot less clear-cut. I really like that.
I gotta love how even though Akechi knows he will disappear once they defeat Maruki, he still does it anyway so we don't have to live in a fake reality And Robbie really did well with his voice, gosh I love it when he shows his true colours
I got to say that i LOVE Robbie's delievey for Akechi- I love the BS line in this video as well as the calos line when 3rd awaking happened. RObbie has a smooth line and I love every moment of it. thanks robbie
Akechi : "Your indecisiveness on the matter is essentially a betrayal of my wishes." Akira: .... Akechi: .... Akira: It sucks getting stabbed in the back in the back doesn't it? Akechi : Honestly, you're such a- never mind Akira: *proceeds to play Persona 5 theme song on his phone*
Akechi is such a well written character. He may have been a villian but he died as a hero. In the grand scheme of things, his death literally meant the world. "A tree that has its branches reach to the heavens, has its roots laid in hell" or something like that is the quote. He personifies that saying. His capacity for good is equal to his capacity for evil. Fuckin S+ tier character and writing.
Damn, this game really makes it hard to hate Maruki, he's nowhere near the level of bad as anyone we faced before and he tries really hard not to fight us because he honestly wants us to be happy
And that’s why in these scenario’s I don’t see the Phantom Thieves or Maruki as the hero or villian since both want the same thing. It’s wrong to take away people’s happiness but at the same time it’s wrong to force your good intentions on people making them live lies.
That may be so, Maruki having potential to truly do good for everyone within reach, but... what he did to Sumire was the best thing he could do at the time (she would have died if he didn’t act)... and the most cruel thing he ever did. Yes, Sumi may have wanted to be more like her courageous sister as much as possible, if it meant changing from the insecure self she once was... but erasing the positive aspects of her true self and living this lie she built on herself, with Maruki enabling it... it made me sad and furious at the same time. When the week of 1/2 to 1/9 happened, it solidified my resolve to beat him. He is only “benevolent” if you submit to his ideal that life is better off if you pretend the bad things never happen. You start to get mad... then as you explore the Palace, you discover that his distortion stems from tragedies due to circumstances beyond his control. His desire to rewrite history to avoid tragedy bleeds into reality... Long story short, IMO, Doc made a more convincing pitch to sell his reality on 2/2 than 1/9.
I always loved how out of all of the Phantom thieves in the 3rd semester, Akechi, the one who will dissappear if Maruki's reality is destroyed, is the most determined to end Maruki's reality. The 3rd semester made me love him even more. Lol.
I hated Akechi so much in the original. I didn’t care for his death since he attempted to murder Joker and blackmail the rest of the team. But Royal tho. My god this version really sheds light on his character in such a better way. Therefore he’s become one of my favorite characters, and definitely worthy of being the rival of Joker. Thank you Atlus for making Akechi a more loveable character.
Honestly, my thoughts are the same as with the JP version. Akechi showing what he really thinks and feels is a masterpiece. You can really feel the emotion. Of all the dubs I've played, P5 has the most amazing cast (voice actors).
He wanted everyone to live their best life. That's why he brought back Wakaba, Makoto's dad and made Morgana a human Maruki knew that Joker wanted to save Akechi, but he was unable, so he brought him back
Ren’s ideal reality is one where akechi is alive and well, is on good terms with everyone else in the phantom thieves, and never had anything bad happen to him. That’s the only thing he wanted, as far as i can tell.
Honestly picking the fake reality is extremely selfish, for the others it's selfless, but for Akechi? This is his life we are talking about, you're basically telling him that you own him if you pick the fake reality. You don't own his life and you can't force him to be alive, despite how sad that is.
I saw a theory actually that Wakaba triggered his awakening, kinda like in P3. Since Wakaba had been researching cognitive psience and was almost done with it, she probably, at one point, experimented on Akechi. Considering where he was working with Shido, and Shido was interested/involved in Wakaba's research, he probably had her experiment on him for his own benefits. He knew she wanted to complete her research and was devoted to it, so he knew she most likely wouldn't mind doing human experiments, thus leading to his awakening to (possibly) Loki first. That was when he knew that he could use Akechi to eliminate anyone who got in his way. We all know that it's not confirmed that Akechi killed Wakaba since it's never said or implied that he did, he only knew her through Shido, so it could've simply been that he had Akechi find her shadow, then have others sent to kill her. Also Akechi holds his head in battle as if he's in pain, another possibility that he had a forced awakening.
Honestly Akechi's redemption arc was extremely needed. The Vanilla P5 didn't do his character the justice he really deserved. I'm a big fan of him and find him to be an extremely well-written character, but of course, I agree he's done unjustifiable things(though to me that just shows just how much Shido screwed him over). Yet having said that, he also has a great amount of chemistry with Akiren, (as shown in the confidant interactions). I personally dislike it when people claim he's innocent, to be honest. He's not, that's part of the reason why he's such a peculiar character in comparison to the others. I believe people have fallen for the mask he puts on as "the charming prince detective", which only shows how little they know about his true self, and overall character, which leads to him not being appreciated for who he really is.
Agreed. I think the Phantom Thieves really wanted him to join them because they thought they could reform him, convince him to atone for what he did. I don't believe for a second that they think he's innocent or his crimes mean nothing. Probably, they just recognize his overwhelming talent and Joker probably feels the worst about letting such talent go to waste instead of reformed for good
Not me crying at this scene and thinking "You know what? I did everything for everyone, I was there for all of them when they needed me. Let me have just ONE moment of selfishness." Even then I couldn't accept the deal..
Well, I played it and honestly hated the idea of a fake reality when the choice finally popped up. I'm a shipper through and through, but everything about the fake reality made me livid over the fact of what Maruki wanted, no hate for the guy, just his actions really irk me.
@@Aldona_koi Even if it’s for benevolent reasons, I’d argue the things he’s willing to do are up there with Shido and Yaldabaoth. - Playing on Sumire’s inner turmoil. - The failed deadline ending. He is pretty much insane more than evil in my books.
The thing is, I am pretty sure Akechi didn't die in the boiler room. Cause illusions disappear once you know they are unreal (how Wakaba and Okumura disappeared and Morgana is cat again). So I think Maruki actually teleported him from somewhere (and he probably returned to where he was after they defeated Maruki, alas his appearance in the final of the game).
This confuses me even more, Akechi for sure didnt die in shidos palace thanks to the new ending, so was Maruki just trying to manipulate them both by saying Akechi died?
@@robinhoodproductions5102 Glad to know! Akechi is my favorite P5 character and i cant just accept him being long gone and all his development in the third semester null
@Rylan H. Mangum Spoilers Thats still in the air, in P5R's ending you see Joker not looking out of the window for a second and Akechi walking by, meaning he's still alive, what most likely happen is that Maruki made sure Akechi and Joker will truly meet again.
@@therarebirdheavy9954 I just imagine akechi wished to stay low to society after everything happened, since he was acting along the thieves just because their goals alligned
Before P5: Royal came to be, I’ve being working on a fanfiction in which in the original events of P5, before Akechi seemingly passed away, he was actually able to send his Robin Hood Persona to Ren to help fulfill the deal of defeating Shido on his stead AND POSSIBLY represent that Robin Hood is a Persona forged by Akechi’s bond with Ren as Akechi is technically a Wild Card user. But as Robin Hood is used by Ren, similar to Picaro Personas being wielded by a heart of the Trickster would trigger a change of color scheme and form. As Akechi’s Robin Hood design is based on a light savior superhero like Superman, The Robin Hood “Picarro” wielded by Ren would be more of a dark vigilante hero like Batman combining elements from Akechi’s true Black Mask outfit as well as the traditional green we know well worn by Robin Hood. Though it’s DEFINITELY not exact what I was thinking, Akechi’s TRUE Ultimate Persona being that the idea of the one who inspired Robin Hood whose design has Black Mask elements and also Akechi’s resolution in which resulted to it, in my opinion is why Akechi’s Hereward is MY #2 Fave Ultimate Persona AND MY #2 Fave “3rd Tier” Persona😈😎
This game really did such a good job on making it hard for you to make the right choice(for reality) like honestly they made you see how everybody lives would’ve changed if everything went perfect for them and you start to think maybe they deserve it with everything they’ve been threw. And then they show you this that not only your teammates will loose there well deserved perfect life, but Akechi would loose his own life. And the fact that he knew all along makes it even more serious it really made me sometimes just go with the bad ending and forget it all
I think the main thing that makes you finally shift away from Maruki is realising he's the same as the other Persona Bosses in result. While his intentions are good, this one singular being is trying to define happiness for everyone. He's not a perfect man and some peopel are better for their negative experiences and surpassing them. As many people as he saves, just as many will lose out.
The game makes it very clear why Maruki’s mindset is flawed when you attempt the quiz puzzle and see his opinions on a “healthy individual”. He wants no one to experience any form of suffer either self induced hardship or forced, he wants to essentially lobotomies everyone where eventually people will stop thinking(bad ending when u don’t deliver calling card)
8:17 This scene and the engine room scene were the ones where Akechi became one of my favorite characters of all time, i went from hating him to loving him and in the end we never got our rematch. You never really get to know someone until after they're gone
Details that I love here: a) Akira's illusion is not a wish-fulfillment for himself, but that a person he couldn't save gets to live b) Akechi would rather die than be under someone's control; He might be evil but he's CHAOTIC evil. Gotta respect that. c) How consequent the game is with its "control is bad" message in rejecting even genuinely benevolent control
Robin Hood: Lawful Good. The desired hero Akechi wanted to be. Lawful Justice. Loki: Chaotic Evil. The villain Akechi ended up becoming. Personal Justice. Hereward: Chaotic Neutral, and the man Akechi became at the end by accepting both sides of himself.
Honestly if there’s another game I hope they continue the redemption path for Akechi. In the third semester I’d put him where vegeta was during namek and the android arc. An ally but not fully redeemed yet. I don’t even think he needs to lose his more aggresive side that he displayed. I think that shows he’s willing to be more open with the phantom thieves and especially Joker than he was previously. It’ll help his walls come sown.
even though akechi betrayed us, he made the most selfless sacrifice. he threw away his second chance at life so the world can go back to what it was. he truly was the dark knight of this game. I can't express how amazing atlas made Akechi an even better character for a better purpose.
I’m so glad that Akechi gets the redemption he needed because a lot of people really hated him. I’m also very happy that we get to know him a little more ❤️
So the Akechi in the real world at this point of the history is the true and official Akechi? Because boy, I really wanted Akechi to survive Shido's Palace, and continue as a Phantom Thieve or just as a friend.
That is the real Akechi, and he is alive. He survived Shido's palace in the unaltered reality. However, Maruki changed events solely so Joker and Akechi would meet again, not to make Akechi survive. In the true ending, Joker barely misses Akechi walk by him, outside the window. There is still a chance they could meet in the unaltered reality in a sequel game.
@@yungbreezy36 At least long lasting rivals, but I really think Akechi and Ren could develop a better relation, something like arch-nemesis or friends for the combat against injustice and sin.
I actually played out both endings and what’s crazy idk which is better because the reality he made based off of things that made an individual happy, those dreams became tangible and even akechi with all his pain was free 😩 such a good character and worthy of my favorite
Even though Akechi is a messed up human being who needs jail time and therapy. I love his character as he sticks to his ideals and doesn’t stray from them. After being treated like a puppet his entire life it’s perfectly understandable why he rejects Maruki’s reality. Akechi is one of the most complex characters in the persona series and I wouldn’t complain if there were a whole game about him. ❤️
So i literally just finished P5R two days ago and I loved this scene. Akechi comes full circle and it also completes the Hegal dialectic method and comparison of Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis. And for me, that's fucking awesome! Thesis - Detective Prince: The Detective Prince is the thesis, the starting point and what is presented to us the players and the world around him. I wouldn’t be surprised if these notions of Justice were further amplified annd brought back up to the surface through his relationship with Joker. And while his Crow outfit might not be what you’d expect of someone’s rebellious spirit, giving it more of a nobleman look but it fits the Detective Prince persona. Robin Hood being his base Persona is likewise a really awesome and interesting thing because it’s very likely that this was in fact his original Persona. I look at Robin Hood as being the manifestation of Akechi’s own personal desires to be a hero from when he was younger, if Robin Hood’s schtick was to take from the rich and give to the poor, then Akechi’s is very much the same of wanting to be a detective and play hero to put away corrupt adults like his father etc. It’s also nice to see the facade chip away just a little bit in combat and that he’s very much a dork and a showoff in a very Tokusatsu hero way that is hammy as hell and it completely effin’ works. I wouldn’t be surprised even more if he grew up watching Neo Featherman shows as a kid and aspired to be like that, heck you can even tie that into the whole thing of having a toy gun playing hero as a kid to emulate those same ones. Antithesis - BM: The Black Mask is the antithesis and it’s the exact opposite of what you’d expect him to be on first impressions. You wouldn’t expect the prim and proper Detective Prince to be a berserker with rage issues, self-loathing and having all these feelings of anger, envy, spite, inadequacy and pent up baggage so when it all comes tumbling out, it’s honestly one hell of a contrast to see him be so chaotic. Loki is such an awesome and unique fit for the Black Mask being a trickster, a deceiver, a destroyer and ultimately someone of mayhem and chaos. I wouldn’t be surprised if Loki was brought up to the surface through Yaldabaoth, Shido and/or even Wakaba to some extent and it reflected his darker impulses and side that he tries to repress in order to blend in with society. And well, he’s a slave to these desires by wanting revenge on Shido that he’ll throw away his humanity, his reason and any bonds he could have had. Synthesis - 3rd Semester: 3rd Semester is the synthesis of the real him being somewhere in the middle and coming together by becoming a better version of himself that isn’t broken and alone through Joker and enabling himself to be unapologetically honest with himself. So he doesn’t have to hide behind false pretence, trying to be something that he isn’t and that it isn’t about fighting against your darker impulses but embracing them and using them as a force for good. He’s smug, ruthless and just as much of a berserker that loves to throw down as he was in his BM time but it’s combined with the uncompromising desire to do good that DP seemed to want to do and break Maruki’s reality because it’s the right thing to do, consequences be damned because it’s a lie and he’s done playing a pawn to someone else’s desires and being overwhelmed by his own crap. I guess you could say, it’s adhering to his own personal brand of justice. Likewise, he’s fully in control of himself. Everything about him just screams “Now you’re dealing with the real deal here.” Everything comes full circle with Hereward in the 3rd Awakening completing his journey as a hero/anti-hero type of character with it basically being Robin Hood but with a darker colour palette ala BM and Loki. It completes the state of Synthesis by becoming a hero that abides by his own chaotic brand of justice and execution but is still someone on the side of good who may operate in the grey area more than others but he’s perfectly fine with that because that’s who he is.
Maruki: Oh, Akiren, are you sure you want to feel sad again? Just take this tsundere Akechi and live happily with him Now we know that Maruki is Shuake shipper ╮(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)╭ P.s. Akechi is such a strong boy! I love him so much! Robbie's voice made the scene absolutely stunning. I'm crying :С
That's not what this scene meant at all.... It was regret of not being able to save Akechi, a victim, but Maruki gave him a "chance" to. But Akechi didn't want that chance because it would mean being controlled again. The bad ending Goro is just a brainwashed Goro. Cause if you choose to live in Maruki's world, Goro says he hates Akira and will never speak to you again, but it forced to forget that due to the dream world. That is not the real Goro. And tsundere is not a character trait.
@@featherrwbyrnjr I know that. And believe me, I fully understand that this scene is steeped in regret. It's just that I've been crying since the game came out in Japan(who am I kidding?.. I'm crying even now). Maruki really wants to make everyone happy. I noted this, but more positively
@@linatheshichirai okay but the ending where you chose to ignore Akechi's request and live in the dream world isnt good at all. Please dont say its Shuake or anything. Or that Maruki ships it or that Goro is tsundere. Calling Goro tsundere just ignores all that he is and what he fights for.
@@featherrwbyrnjr Wait... I didn't say about the alternate reality ending. I like it, though... Not because it's a Shuake, but just because I like it(although Goro's words "Then our deal is over" broke my heart). I still prefer the true ending, don't worry. The fact that Maruki shipper or Akechi tsundere is only part of the joke, don't take it seriously. Goro is my favourite character, I would never have put him down to the usual "tsundere"
@Margaret Williams I think you're getting overly heated over a joke comment lol, fluffy never implied that Maruki's world is good or the right choice, they just said that Maruki wanted them to choose it. It's also kinda weird that you're getting so upset over them joking that Goro's a tsundere, those anime archetypes are never meant to be implied as sole character traits or anything, just a way to categorize how they show their affection. And based on Goro's personality towards Ren (who he obviously holds very closely and admires by the end of the game) it's not that far off of a description lol, just look at his battle quotes imgur.com/12tpMe8
Holy shit I just processed this, wild cards can obtain multiple personas due to having bonds with other characters, Akechi only has 2 personas pre Hereward, Loki (his own persona the equivalent of Arsene or carmen for example), and Robin Hood. Despite Robin Hood being the justice arcana and Futaba saying it comes from his false personality Robin Hood could be the persona formed from his bond with the protagonist. Thieves den conversations somewhat go against this but I think it’s a neat idea
Except that it's confirmed Akechi got both Robin Hood & Loki at the same upon 1st awakening to the power so no, Akechi is NOT a wild card user like Makoto, Yu, & Ren are.
@@AngelKnightZeo713 This is only my headcanon, but I see it as kind of a flawed awakening. Akechi probably disregarded any sense of justice he had when he was awakening his persona and just stopped caring about the consequences of his actions, basically letting his feelings of inferiority and need for revenge be the sole fuel for his rebellion. Basically, he didn't just accept his shadow, he became convinced that the shadow, the worst part of himself is who he truly is, causing his persona to awaken- but also shunning his original self which still held just beliefs and ideals in the process. It could be that it manifested as a separate, weaker persona, and because he believed Loki reflected his true self, he likely only viewed Robin Hood as a façade even though they're both equally a part of himself. I personally believe that Hereward was his true persona, and that if he had awakened properly like the PTs did, it probably would have manifested as Hereward instead of two split personas.
With the final cutscene and the fact Akechi didn't disappear like Okamura and Wakaba leads me to him being alive the whole time but not wanting Joker to know because he wants to start over.
Seeing Joker and Akechi pain and suffering they endured reminds me of Ramza and Delita from Final Fantasy Tactics. Joker like Ramza knows Aketchi's pain like Delita's, they both fight for justice and help each other, on opposite sides, i hope Aketchi has a happy ending that won't be like Delita's ending of being alone knowing what they work hard for to help the good people, i feel bad for him. :(
Perhaps the next sequel after Phantom Strikers the miracle will take effect. I kind of shudder the thought of Mitsuru and Naoto "executes" the enitre police force and conspiracy since they know better the consequences due to their own battles. Also the character pattern hints of another girl with Charity as her Arcana to complete the theological vitrues. The girl likely fit Akechi's potential solo story akin to Aigis, with the grown up P3 and 4 cast heavily involved in helping him find happiness within the corrupt society which caused him to die once.
I love Goro Akechi. I understand Goro Akechi. We all have a small part of Goro Akechi inside of us. First time i ever cried in a while was after this scene. Thank you, Goro Akechi.
this just makes me wonder even more how it would've been like to date Akechi (and the other guys ofc) if they made a female version of the protagonist/Akira
I feel like kasumi was likely planned to be fem joker but they probably had a hard time changing the story for it and just made her a character in some of her other out fits in the third semester she is literally a fem joker.
I get scared every time Akechi gets mad or lashes out. His VA, Robbie Daymond, did an amazing job with this character! Imagine what would happen if you stole Akechi's pancakes! (I saw someone say that as a comment on another Akechi video; I don't want to take credit for it, but I loved it, so I commented it here.)
Reminder the true ending with akechis maxed confidant and a datamined scene of him in a rehab center hints that akechi DID survive shidos palace, maruki just didn't know.
Except that Strikers occurs after Persona 5 (PS3/2016) and NOT Royal (PS4/2020) which was mentioned during Strikers' development so Akechi is in fact dead; also, Futaba can sense people's vital signs so it's pretty much stated that Akechi died in Shido's Palace
@@AngelKnightZeo713Akechi not being in Strikers means nothing. Neither Tae is so what? As above us is stated, if you don’t see a character die, they are almost always alive.
Most 3rd tier Personas are interesting or have neat designs, but Hereward just straight up kicks ass. It's like Batman, Superman and Green Arrow all fused together.
This man Maruki--he had the Phantom Thieves cornered and dead to rights. Yet, he gives EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY EVER to let you beat him, all for the sake of allowing "free will" in a "utopian reality". My favorite final boss, palace, etc, by far, and amazing story arc. Even if it was a little fan-service-y due to Akechi, but hey, I'll take pancake-boi any day.
I love how his entire existence in the 3rd semester is the game trying to make you understand Maruki's POV by giving you, the player, someone you care about and who will be lost once he is defeated.
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so yoshizawa and akechi get hers automatic on 2,2 ?
Hey wanna know something neat? All the third awakenings happen in a characters home. In their room. But Goros happens in Leblanc.
He considered Leblanc his home.
That is so sweet Holy shit !!
@@marjbon5008 AGREED
oh my god and just when i thought, i ran out of tears. thats so sweet!
WHY DO YOU NEED TO MAKE ME CRY?
THE FEELS
The Rival of Joker gets a persona that resembles Batman, if that isn't fitting I don't know what is.
Bro
the best part is Akedgy looks kinda like Batman
ThomasEyeThink
With the MO of the Arkham Knight.
The Phantoms don’t kill, but Crow does.
In Arkham Knight, Bats and A.K. are similar except Batman has a no kill policy and the A.K. justified killing.
@@mystery8820 Arkham Knight was just a edgier Red Hood.
@One Thou Wou it _resembles_
As Lelouch would say, “Forcing your good intentions on someone is no different from an evil act.”
And yet that doesnt mean you shouldnt do it. I mean thats also what lelouch did. And succesfully. You just shouldnt see yourself as a good person doing it, even if it benefits others. Anyone who wants to stop you is just as right as you.
@@popkhorne5372 Well... the one who comes on top, gets to define and enforce Their version of justice.
Thus letting Justice win everytime.
@@leogazebo5290 you could litteraly quote doflamingo from one piece for your argument ^^
@@popkhorne5372 Oh shit you're right hhahaha
All hail lelouch motherfuckers lmfao
I swear, Royal gave me so much new found respect for Akechi. This moment here? Absolutely beautiful.
TMSonicFan47 same after actually ranking up with him I respect him more especially when he admits he hates you because you excel further than him Akechi truly is a friend/rival/traitor 😂😂😂😂
You didn't respect me before?
Goro Akechi nah with ya traitorous ass
If he had the same friends and love that joker got he'd be very similar. Maybe chaotic good. Futaba noted he can only use two personas since he doesn't trust anyone.
Damn it P5R you made me care.
Akira: This isn't small potatoes.
Akechi: IT IS.
Akira: this is big potatoesn't
Akechi: yes
This isn't small pancakes
I’m sad they changed the option in the recent update 😭 it no longer says “This isnt small potatoes”. It says “This isn’t trivial!”
Thanks Captain obvious.
This makes Akechi one of my favorite characters now. The bond between joker and Akechi is special compared to what they had in the original Persona 5.
It truly is
Especially when you actually get a confidant
@@CanOfDarkFruit His situation is way too similar to Aigis, since both don't have proper confidant/social links in the first release. However, both are the most popular characters in the JP community. The enhanced versions give them the proper links; Aigis receives the Aeon link in January before the final battle, Akechi have a remade link based on the unused materials from the first version and anime, even Proof of Justice serves as a teaser. The new canon enforces both of their roles as the deuteragonist, considering their close connections towards the protagonist.
Vanessa Chow Jia Ying it’s a nice addition, and I don’t really think it’s a bad thing. Sure it’s a little unoriginal, but it doesn’t really make it bad if it helps the character.
@@aarong8099 The enhanced versions fixes the narrative issues seen in the first versions. They even add new characters/social links in order to give a deeper meaning of the themes and the mythology that each of the games represent. For Royal, they add Adam, another figure of Gnosticism as the final enemy, with the theme being the Garden of Eden and ideology being escapism from cruel reality/mistreatment. It was carried over in Scramble, using Plato belief for Sophia and False God Demiurge.
Also they even pushed some of the characters being left behind greater importance. Aigis made her resolution after her return and promised day, it took effect in the Answer, after her partner's death on her arms. For Akechi, he made up his mind to restore reality even if he might die again. Both made their innermost realizations in near endgame, due to their close connections to the respective protagonists.
Well done with Akechi's voice. Even in english dub he can show his real emotions in his voice. Not anymore detective prince Akechi but angry and bolt Akechi.
Yep, all emotions he was concealing in his Detective Prince persona
Round of applause for Robbie Daymond
I think the detective prince was more boring
Robbie was simply amazing at voicing akechi
I think all the main English VA for the most part in the persona series are really good. Especially when you think of just how many lines they have to keep up that level of energy for
So Atlus can't live without the sacrifices of children.
Damn the sacrifice Akechi is making, now I really like this character
You people say the stupidest shit. He's not making any sacrifice here.
Technically he is it depends how you see it coz he's giving up his life for the real reality or smth
Yeah, once Maruki's palace disappears the dream will go with him. That includes Akechi, but he honestly couldn't give a shit. Even after learning he's just a fabrication of someone's reality.
Goro Akechi, he decides the truth.
yungbreezy36 Lmao so you MAD mad.
@@yungbreezy36 he literally chooses to die so they can live in the true reality. Do you know what a sacrifice is?
Ah, the joy of being someone's friend and helping them embrace their inner psycho. Good times.
So Akechi was Joker's biggest regret. That's some true rivalry/friendship anime stuff right there.
It was his wish.
Damn. Akechi's role got a huge upgrade from this added segment. Back in the original game they don't even so much as mention him again after his death which was honestly pretty disappointing. Showing how his last stand affects the thieves by factoring it into the endgame choice is an even better upgrade than I anticipated
Akechi is such a deep and interesting character. He could’ve been a. One dimensional insane rival but Akechi has so many layers to him. He literally is staring death in the face and giving it a middle finger.
Yeah. He could've just been a one dimensional character *coughs in vanilla P5*
@@RyzaLoves even in vanilla he had depth with how he was willing to sacrifice himself to save the heroes. In royal, they just cemented what his philosophy was, by having him help us
I love how sounds his voice with his real attitude.
Agreed Robbie Daymond is an incredible voice actor
I can't stop praising Robbie Daymond's 3rd semester Akechi! It's just that good! Regarding the scene, there're like tears in my eyes...
There’re???
I didn’t really understand the Akechi hype in Vanilla, but Royal turned him into my absolute favorite character.
He’s such a breath of fresh air to a team built entirely on optimism and the power of friendship.
My only regret is that we didn’t have MORE time with him and Sumi as the sole party members, and him playing Navi. Those Navi lines live in my head rent-free
I agree but have you played p4?
I absolutely love how much Akechi embodies the chaos alignment from mainline
to quote Louisa Ferre "humans, born of god's madness belong to me, though I have no love for them I won't abandon them either, that is freedom"
As far back as the original game, I suspected he was based off of the "Chaos Hero" concept arguably more so than Joker. His third-tier Persona has all but solidified it, as well as his wish to be free even if it means death.
@@Wolfboss7 yeah p much
Two dudes chilling in a coffee shop three seats apart because they're not gay
If I must wait, I will, but I still wanna see the “Checkmate” moment in English....
CHECKUMEITO
it actually gave me goosebumps when he said that in english lol
@@FazPersona please faz I need to hear it
@@Anon2ber what is it?
"I didn't want to make it seem like I'm holding him hostage, even though that's exactly what I'm doing"
It is painful to see Akechi this way. I just can't comprehend how much he has changed...
He was always like this. He just was keeping up a façade for the longest of times.
@@Moda-pf8wt I know. But since I like Akechi's silent and kind self, it was very unsettling for me to see him that way. However, I must say that his over the top lines while he fights are really cool!
@@xoriatis7146 That's great :D
@@Moda-pf8wt What is great? 🙂
@@xoriatis7146 That you understand, of course. Goro is awesome and I'm glad that you like him!
Robbie Daymond: Best voice actor in this god damn franchise.
You say that in the series that Troy Baker voice acted in lmao.
Ryuji’s voice actor did a really good job too
While your not really wrong, I think Yuri Lowenthal definitely takes the cake for his roles as P3 Protag, Ryoji, and Yosuke but Robbie would definitely be my second
Jonny Yong Bosch as Adachi has him beat for me, he carried that story hard
6:38 Its so messed up Maruki completely disregards Akechi's feelings about his own life and death. At this point Maruki thinks he's being benevolent by granting Joker's wish, but its at the price of Akechi's autonomy as a human being.
People say the false reality ending kills Sumire, but I'd argue it kills Goro Akechi too. His personality and memory rewrites are so extensive he may as well be a completely different person.
Late reply but hey.
Maruki appears to suffer from what is called a Messiah Complex - he believes that, against _all_ reasoning, he is destined to "save" the world. That is why this so-called discussion is more of a Lecture, with him just telling us to accept his actions because we've no chance of victory. He neglects Akechi and Sumire because, at the end of the day, Maruki thinks he knows best; it's a worthwhile sacrifice.
In regard to the rewriting of Akechi and Sumire, I'd say the PTs are being hypocritical with how quick they were to overwrite people, but that's another subject matter entirely. Regardless, I didn't hesitate stopping Maruki back then, and I never regretted my decision.
@@harryunderwood9387
“Happiness”. That is what Maruki aims for. But he showed COMPLETE disregard for the feelings of other people, ultimately.
He can justify making light of people’s depression or emotionally harassing them… he’ll erase all of that the next day.
If anything, Maruki is a hypocrite, and his stupid cult followers are just as moronic as him.
Agreed
What's more messed up is that we learn Akechi was actually alive and Maruki lied to guilt trip Ren.
@@harryunderwood9387 thank you. Because i never understood why people are defending Maruki for his actions. If there is one thing, he is much worse then any other PT victims, because unlike him they were aware of consequences of their actions, while Maruki was whole time till end ignorant of all falts in his plan.
Truthfully,
As Robin Hood follows the theme of the other Phantoms’ Initial Personas’ theme of mostly from modern fictions or historical figures whether proven or contested...BUT is not actually Akechi’s Initial Persona,...
AND Loki follows the theme of the other Phantoms’ 2nd Tier Ultimate Personas’ theme of being mythological tricksters...BUT is actually Akechi’s TRUE Initial Persona,...
Hereward “seemingly” follows the theme of the other Phantoms’ 3rd Tier Ultimate Personas’ theme of which it is the result of fusing the historical figure Initial Persona & the mythological trickster 2nd Tier Ultimate Persona AND said result is the being named after the original names of the fictional characters their initial Personas represent; ...BUT IS ACTUALLY the fusion of two standalone Personas resulting to Akechi’s TRUE Ultimate Persona. 🤔
Yeah it’s kinda funny to think about. It’s called his third tier for sake of consistency, but he’s never even had a second tier.
That's cool and all, meanwhile google and wikipedia and other sources gave me Hereward the Wake/Exile, an Anglo-Saxon nobleman and resistance leader of dubious origins who opposed the Duke of Normandy, William the First/Conqueror/Bastard.
Hereward is another one of those interesting names that became antiquated and outdated in modern times.
@@1aundulxaldin also the Anglo-Saxon worships Loki before the advent of Christanity, giving a double meaning behind Akechi's true ultimate Persona. Also Hereward is known to defy death twice, which kind of matches Akechi's situation in Royal true end, making out his confidant and promise.
You could explain it by saying that he finally felt accepted, for who he truly is, and it merges the light and dark in him.
CanOfDarkFruit Indeed. Which is why I love this.😍😊
Robbie Daymond gets my ovations one more time! Completely different intonation and sounding of Goro. You literally can see his change from hokey detective to cocky realist.
I watched this in japanese dub, which is good too, but english dub subdues to the core.
And people say Goro is the worst character in the game.
Those people are Goro an//tis that lack reading comprehension. Goro is the best character in P5R for multiple reasons.
@@Moda-pf8wt Agreed. And, he was even the most popular male character in the official Persona 5 Popularity Poll too.
Makoto won for the female one. This was after the anime aired.
Truly Goro and Akiren are the best characters in the game. I love my boys.
@@yilinchua8205 Agreed.
I swear you Goro fanboys are mental. Does the fact that he killed hundreds of thousands and is most likely responsible for murdering Wakaba mean nothing to you people?!
... Goro... I am so proud of you. He made the heroic choice. Even if he were to die again, he didn't hesitate to end this illusion...
Cringe comment. He wasn't doing any of this to be a hero.
@@yungbreezy36 I didn't say that he was doing this to be a hero. I said that he made a heroic choice. There's a difference.
@@yungbreezy36 You saying that the comment is cringe is cringier
@@yungbreezy36
Man, I remember when persona fanbase wasnt filled with smartasses like you.
Most of the new fans are really chill though, expect when they cry about waifus lmao
But maybe he didn't die then in the first place, who's an illusion would he of been if Joker didn't accept this reality as truth. His teammate's illusions disappeared once they rejected it so 🤔
Small detail, but I really love how Joker has that little moment of "There's no going back now..."
That little moment of doubt in situations like that is usually reserved for if you make the BAD choice, like accepting Yaldabaoth's deal, for example. It adds that little bit of uncertainty that makes this ending decision feel a lot less clear-cut. I really like that.
Yeah and if you decide to sell out your teammates to sae it says something like “am i really making the right choice?”
I gotta love how even though Akechi knows he will disappear once they defeat Maruki, he still does it anyway so we don't have to live in a fake reality
And Robbie really did well with his voice, gosh I love it when he shows his true colours
10:45 i've formed a special relationship with Akechi...
Do you love Akechi enough to save him? Or do you love Akechi enough to honour his dying wish?
I dont like it, i dont agree with it. But i accept honoring the murderers final wish
@@elusivedesert8530 you dont agree with Akechi accepting that his sacrifice was for the good of everyone else?
I don’t love him at all I’ll defeat maruki just to get rid of him
@@ThatGuyKh1 he actually survives at the ending of royal if you max out his confidant.
I got to say that i LOVE Robbie's delievey for Akechi- I love the BS line in this video as well as the calos line when 3rd awaking happened. RObbie has a smooth line and I love every moment of it. thanks robbie
Akechi : "Your indecisiveness on the matter is essentially a betrayal of my wishes."
Akira: ....
Akechi: ....
Akira: It sucks getting stabbed in the back in the back doesn't it?
Akechi : Honestly, you're such a- never mind
Akira: *proceeds to play Persona 5 theme song on his phone*
"You'll never see it coming", AMV
Akechi is such a well written character. He may have been a villian but he died as a hero. In the grand scheme of things, his death literally meant the world.
"A tree that has its branches reach to the heavens, has its roots laid in hell" or something like that is the quote. He personifies that saying. His capacity for good is equal to his capacity for evil. Fuckin S+ tier character and writing.
Damn, this game really makes it hard to hate Maruki, he's nowhere near the level of bad as anyone we faced before and he tries really hard not to fight us because he honestly wants us to be happy
And that’s why in these scenario’s I don’t see the Phantom Thieves or Maruki as the hero or villian since both want the same thing. It’s wrong to take away people’s happiness but at the same time it’s wrong to force your good intentions on people making them live lies.
That may be so, Maruki having potential to truly do good for everyone within reach, but... what he did to Sumire was the best thing he could do at the time (she would have died if he didn’t act)... and the most cruel thing he ever did.
Yes, Sumi may have wanted to be more like her courageous sister as much as possible, if it meant changing from the insecure self she once was... but erasing the positive aspects of her true self and living this lie she built on herself, with Maruki enabling it... it made me sad and furious at the same time.
When the week of 1/2 to 1/9 happened, it solidified my resolve to beat him. He is only “benevolent” if you submit to his ideal that life is better off if you pretend the bad things never happen. You start to get mad... then as you explore the Palace, you discover that his distortion stems from tragedies due to circumstances beyond his control. His desire to rewrite history to avoid tragedy bleeds into reality...
Long story short, IMO, Doc made a more convincing pitch to sell his reality on 2/2 than 1/9.
I always loved how out of all of the Phantom thieves in the 3rd semester, Akechi, the one who will dissappear if Maruki's reality is destroyed, is the most determined to end Maruki's reality. The 3rd semester made me love him even more. Lol.
I hated Akechi so much in the original. I didn’t care for his death since he attempted to murder Joker and blackmail the rest of the team. But Royal tho. My god this version really sheds light on his character in such a better way. Therefore he’s become one of my favorite characters, and definitely worthy of being the rival of Joker. Thank you Atlus for making Akechi a more loveable character.
Honestly, my thoughts are the same as with the JP version. Akechi showing what he really thinks and feels is a masterpiece. You can really feel the emotion.
Of all the dubs I've played, P5 has the most amazing cast (voice actors).
10:12
akechi: i'll sow chaos as far as the eye can see!
joker: alright..
This feels like Maruki might be trying to imply something else about joker and akechi ....
I Guess Markui Wanted Them To Become Friends
@@equestrianmagic7337 Suure
Well, he wanted to all of them to be happy
Maruki is a shipper confirmed
He wanted everyone to live their best life. That's why he brought back Wakaba, Makoto's dad and made Morgana a human
Maruki knew that Joker wanted to save Akechi, but he was unable, so he brought him back
Can you hear me crying in the corner? Goro.... You have changed.... And you sacrifice for Akiren... Don't do this bro...
Ren’s ideal reality is one where akechi is alive and well, is on good terms with everyone else in the phantom thieves, and never had anything bad happen to him. That’s the only thing he wanted, as far as i can tell.
Honestly picking the fake reality is extremely selfish, for the others it's selfless, but for Akechi? This is his life we are talking about, you're basically telling him that you own him if you pick the fake reality. You don't own his life and you can't force him to be alive, despite how sad that is.
It would be interesting they show us how akechi awaken his persona for the first time
I saw a theory actually that Wakaba triggered his awakening, kinda like in P3. Since Wakaba had been researching cognitive psience and was almost done with it, she probably, at one point, experimented on Akechi. Considering where he was working with Shido, and Shido was interested/involved in Wakaba's research, he probably had her experiment on him for his own benefits. He knew she wanted to complete her research and was devoted to it, so he knew she most likely wouldn't mind doing human experiments, thus leading to his awakening to (possibly) Loki first. That was when he knew that he could use Akechi to eliminate anyone who got in his way. We all know that it's not confirmed that Akechi killed Wakaba since it's never said or implied that he did, he only knew her through Shido, so it could've simply been that he had Akechi find her shadow, then have others sent to kill her. Also Akechi holds his head in battle as if he's in pain, another possibility that he had a forced awakening.
Honestly Akechi's redemption arc was extremely needed. The Vanilla P5 didn't do his character the justice he really deserved. I'm a big fan of him and find him to be an extremely well-written character, but of course, I agree he's done unjustifiable things(though to me that just shows just how much Shido screwed him over).
Yet having said that, he also has a great amount of chemistry with Akiren, (as shown in the confidant interactions).
I personally dislike it when people claim he's innocent, to be honest. He's not, that's part of the reason why he's such a peculiar character in comparison to the others. I believe people have fallen for the mask he puts on as "the charming prince detective", which only shows how little they know about his true self, and overall character, which leads to him not being appreciated for who he really is.
Agreed. I think the Phantom Thieves really wanted him to join them because they thought they could reform him, convince him to atone for what he did. I don't believe for a second that they think he's innocent or his crimes mean nothing. Probably, they just recognize his overwhelming talent and Joker probably feels the worst about letting such talent go to waste instead of reformed for good
Not me crying at this scene and thinking "You know what? I did everything for everyone, I was there for all of them when they needed me. Let me have just ONE moment of selfishness." Even then I couldn't accept the deal..
This is why I admire Goro Akechi
Same me too...
Aaaaand best boy
TLDR: Rampant shipper alters reality to make MC/Akechi canon.
Well, I played it and honestly hated the idea of a fake reality when the choice finally popped up. I'm a shipper through and through, but everything about the fake reality made me livid over the fact of what Maruki wanted, no hate for the guy, just his actions really irk me.
@@Aldona_koi Well yes, that's the point.
@@Aldona_koi yeah Maruki is pretty much the ultimate shitlord
@@Aldona_koi Even if it’s for benevolent reasons, I’d argue the things he’s willing to do are up there with Shido and Yaldabaoth.
- Playing on Sumire’s inner turmoil.
- The failed deadline ending.
He is pretty much insane more than evil in my books.
6:19 - Akechi's right, how could you NOT find that suspicious?
I read this in Makoto's voice
The thing is, I am pretty sure Akechi didn't die in the boiler room.
Cause illusions disappear once you know they are unreal (how Wakaba and Okumura disappeared and Morgana is cat again).
So I think Maruki actually teleported him from somewhere (and he probably returned to where he was after they defeated Maruki, alas his appearance in the final of the game).
This scene is undeniable proof that pancake man is the best written character in the game
This Is The Last Time We See Akechi In The Dream World
Akechi: “Lets go back... to our true reality.” Me holding back tears: “Ya ok”
This confuses me even more, Akechi for sure didnt die in shidos palace thanks to the new ending, so was Maruki just trying to manipulate them both by saying Akechi died?
yup. maruki is a very lovable bastard but a bastard all the same
@@robinhoodproductions5102 Glad to know! Akechi is my favorite P5 character and i cant just accept him being long gone and all his development in the third semester null
@BCat nice!
@Rylan H. Mangum
Spoilers
Thats still in the air, in P5R's ending you see Joker not looking out of the window for a second and Akechi walking by, meaning he's still alive, what most likely happen is that Maruki made sure Akechi and Joker will truly meet again.
@@therarebirdheavy9954 I just imagine akechi wished to stay low to society after everything happened, since he was acting along the thieves just because their goals alligned
Joker: i can only fuse personas
Akechi: im gonna do what's called a pro gamer move
Before P5: Royal came to be, I’ve being working on a fanfiction in which in the original events of P5, before Akechi seemingly passed away, he was actually able to send his Robin Hood Persona to Ren to help fulfill the deal of defeating Shido on his stead AND POSSIBLY represent that Robin Hood is a Persona forged by Akechi’s bond with Ren as Akechi is technically a Wild Card user.
But as Robin Hood is used by Ren, similar to Picaro Personas being wielded by a heart of the Trickster would trigger a change of color scheme and form. As Akechi’s Robin Hood design is based on a light savior superhero like Superman, The Robin Hood “Picarro” wielded by Ren would be more of a dark vigilante hero like Batman combining elements from Akechi’s true Black Mask outfit as well as the traditional green we know well worn by Robin Hood.
Though it’s DEFINITELY not exact what I was thinking, Akechi’s TRUE Ultimate Persona being that the idea of the one who inspired Robin Hood whose design has Black Mask elements and also Akechi’s resolution in which resulted to it, in my opinion is why Akechi’s Hereward is MY #2 Fave Ultimate Persona AND MY #2 Fave “3rd Tier” Persona😈😎
How did that fan fic end up coming along?
Goro really went “fuck it I’m Batman now”
This game really did such a good job on making it hard for you to make the right choice(for reality) like honestly they made you see how everybody lives would’ve changed if everything went perfect for them and you start to think maybe they deserve it with everything they’ve been threw. And then they show you this that not only your teammates will loose there well deserved perfect life, but Akechi would loose his own life. And the fact that he knew all along makes it even more serious it really made me sometimes just go with the bad ending and forget it all
I think the main thing that makes you finally shift away from Maruki is realising he's the same as the other Persona Bosses in result. While his intentions are good, this one singular being is trying to define happiness for everyone. He's not a perfect man and some peopel are better for their negative experiences and surpassing them. As many people as he saves, just as many will lose out.
The game makes it very clear why Maruki’s mindset is flawed when you attempt the quiz puzzle and see his opinions on a “healthy individual”.
He wants no one to experience any form of suffer either self induced hardship or forced, he wants to essentially lobotomies everyone where eventually people will stop thinking(bad ending when u don’t deliver calling card)
Damn, this character development hit me like a semi truck
**Wakes up in hell** "Cool, is this the demongirl Isekai?"
8:17 This scene and the engine room scene were the ones where Akechi became one of my favorite characters of all time, i went from hating him to loving him and in the end we never got our rematch. You never really get to know someone until after they're gone
Details that I love here:
a) Akira's illusion is not a wish-fulfillment for himself, but that a person he couldn't save gets to live
b) Akechi would rather die than be under someone's control; He might be evil but he's CHAOTIC evil. Gotta respect that.
c) How consequent the game is with its "control is bad" message in rejecting even genuinely benevolent control
Akechi sounds so mad oml
Akechi’s persona is a mix with justice and evil that makes a balanced persona
Robin Hood: Lawful Good. The desired hero Akechi wanted to be. Lawful Justice.
Loki: Chaotic Evil. The villain Akechi ended up becoming. Personal Justice.
Hereward: Chaotic Neutral, and the man Akechi became at the end by accepting both sides of himself.
Honestly if there’s another game I hope they continue the redemption path for Akechi. In the third semester I’d put him where vegeta was during namek and the android arc. An ally but not fully redeemed yet. I don’t even think he needs to lose his more aggresive side that he displayed. I think that shows he’s willing to be more open with the phantom thieves and especially Joker than he was previously. It’ll help his walls come sown.
Akechi's *Loki* has evolved into *Batman*
Which goes well with makoto’s batmobile !
even though akechi betrayed us, he made the most selfless sacrifice. he threw away his second chance at life so the world can go back to what it was. he truly was the dark knight of this game. I can't express how amazing atlas made Akechi an even better character for a better purpose.
I rather have the harsh truth then a peaceful lie
Same, I don't want to live in a false world.
Thanks Faz for uploading these videos it makes me even more exciting for the game
I’m so glad that Akechi gets the redemption he needed because a lot of people really hated him. I’m also very happy that we get to know him a little more ❤️
So the Akechi in the real world at this point of the history is the true and official Akechi? Because boy, I really wanted Akechi to survive Shido's Palace, and continue as a Phantom Thieve or just as a friend.
That is the real Akechi, and he is alive. He survived Shido's palace in the unaltered reality. However, Maruki changed events solely so Joker and Akechi would meet again, not to make Akechi survive. In the true ending, Joker barely misses Akechi walk by him, outside the window. There is still a chance they could meet in the unaltered reality in a sequel game.
Akechi will never be a friend or Phantom Thief
@@yungbreezy36 At least long lasting rivals, but I really think Akechi and Ren could develop a better relation, something like arch-nemesis or friends for the combat against injustice and sin.
@@selvin_dias as Akechi said, *“We both remove society's trash!”*
yungbreezy36 they Litterally are and he litterally is. It’s litterally text in the game my dude.
I actually played out both endings and what’s crazy idk which is better because the reality he made based off of things that made an individual happy, those dreams became tangible and even akechi with all his pain was free 😩 such a good character and worthy of my favorite
Even though Akechi is a messed up human being who needs jail time and therapy. I love his character as he sticks to his ideals and doesn’t stray from them. After being treated like a puppet his entire life it’s perfectly understandable why he rejects Maruki’s reality.
Akechi is one of the most complex characters in the persona series and I wouldn’t complain if there were a whole game about him. ❤️
I was waiting for this for so long!
So i literally just finished P5R two days ago and I loved this scene. Akechi comes full circle and it also completes the Hegal dialectic method and comparison of Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis. And for me, that's fucking awesome!
Thesis - Detective Prince: The Detective Prince is the thesis, the starting point and what is presented to us the players and the world around him. I wouldn’t be surprised if these notions of Justice were further amplified annd brought back up to the surface through his relationship with Joker. And while his Crow outfit might not be what you’d expect of someone’s rebellious spirit, giving it more of a nobleman look but it fits the Detective Prince persona. Robin Hood being his base Persona is likewise a really awesome and interesting thing because it’s very likely that this was in fact his original Persona. I look at Robin Hood as being the manifestation of Akechi’s own personal desires to be a hero from when he was younger, if Robin Hood’s schtick was to take from the rich and give to the poor, then Akechi’s is very much the same of wanting to be a detective and play hero to put away corrupt adults like his father etc. It’s also nice to see the facade chip away just a little bit in combat and that he’s very much a dork and a showoff in a very Tokusatsu hero way that is hammy as hell and it completely effin’ works. I wouldn’t be surprised even more if he grew up watching Neo Featherman shows as a kid and aspired to be like that, heck you can even tie that into the whole thing of having a toy gun playing hero as a kid to emulate those same ones.
Antithesis - BM: The Black Mask is the antithesis and it’s the exact opposite of what you’d expect him to be on first impressions. You wouldn’t expect the prim and proper Detective Prince to be a berserker with rage issues, self-loathing and having all these feelings of anger, envy, spite, inadequacy and pent up baggage so when it all comes tumbling out, it’s honestly one hell of a contrast to see him be so chaotic. Loki is such an awesome and unique fit for the Black Mask being a trickster, a deceiver, a destroyer and ultimately someone of mayhem and chaos. I wouldn’t be surprised if Loki was brought up to the surface through Yaldabaoth, Shido and/or even Wakaba to some extent and it reflected his darker impulses and side that he tries to repress in order to blend in with society. And well, he’s a slave to these desires by wanting revenge on Shido that he’ll throw away his humanity, his reason and any bonds he could have had.
Synthesis - 3rd Semester: 3rd Semester is the synthesis of the real him being somewhere in the middle and coming together by becoming a better version of himself that isn’t broken and alone through Joker and enabling himself to be unapologetically honest with himself. So he doesn’t have to hide behind false pretence, trying to be something that he isn’t and that it isn’t about fighting against your darker impulses but embracing them and using them as a force for good. He’s smug, ruthless and just as much of a berserker that loves to throw down as he was in his BM time but it’s combined with the uncompromising desire to do good that DP seemed to want to do and break Maruki’s reality because it’s the right thing to do, consequences be damned because it’s a lie and he’s done playing a pawn to someone else’s desires and being overwhelmed by his own crap. I guess you could say, it’s adhering to his own personal brand of justice. Likewise, he’s fully in control of himself. Everything about him just screams “Now you’re dealing with the real deal here.” Everything comes full circle with Hereward in the 3rd Awakening completing his journey as a hero/anti-hero type of character with it basically being Robin Hood but with a darker colour palette ala BM and Loki. It completes the state of Synthesis by becoming a hero that abides by his own chaotic brand of justice and execution but is still someone on the side of good who may operate in the grey area more than others but he’s perfectly fine with that because that’s who he is.
Well well how the turn tables
Maruki: Oh, Akiren, are you sure you want to feel sad again? Just take this tsundere Akechi and live happily with him
Now we know that Maruki is Shuake shipper ╮(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)╭
P.s. Akechi is such a strong boy! I love him so much! Robbie's voice made the scene absolutely stunning. I'm crying :С
That's not what this scene meant at all.... It was regret of not being able to save Akechi, a victim, but Maruki gave him a "chance" to. But Akechi didn't want that chance because it would mean being controlled again.
The bad ending Goro is just a brainwashed Goro. Cause if you choose to live in Maruki's world, Goro says he hates Akira and will never speak to you again, but it forced to forget that due to the dream world. That is not the real Goro. And tsundere is not a character trait.
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I know that. And believe me, I fully understand that this scene is steeped in regret. It's just that I've been crying since the game came out in Japan(who am I kidding?.. I'm crying even now). Maruki really wants to make everyone happy. I noted this, but more positively
@@linatheshichirai okay but the ending where you chose to ignore Akechi's request and live in the dream world isnt good at all. Please dont say its Shuake or anything. Or that Maruki ships it or that Goro is tsundere. Calling Goro tsundere just ignores all that he is and what he fights for.
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Wait... I didn't say about the alternate reality ending. I like it, though... Not because it's a Shuake, but just because I like it(although Goro's words "Then our deal is over" broke my heart). I still prefer the true ending, don't worry. The fact that Maruki shipper or Akechi tsundere is only part of the joke, don't take it seriously. Goro is my favourite character, I would never have put him down to the usual "tsundere"
@Margaret Williams I think you're getting overly heated over a joke comment lol, fluffy never implied that Maruki's world is good or the right choice, they just said that Maruki wanted them to choose it.
It's also kinda weird that you're getting so upset over them joking that Goro's a tsundere, those anime archetypes are never meant to be implied as sole character traits or anything, just a way to categorize how they show their affection. And based on Goro's personality towards Ren (who he obviously holds very closely and admires by the end of the game) it's not that far off of a description lol, just look at his battle quotes imgur.com/12tpMe8
Holy shit I just processed this, wild cards can obtain multiple personas due to having bonds with other characters, Akechi only has 2 personas pre Hereward, Loki (his own persona the equivalent of Arsene or carmen for example), and Robin Hood. Despite Robin Hood being the justice arcana and Futaba saying it comes from his false personality Robin Hood could be the persona formed from his bond with the protagonist. Thieves den conversations somewhat go against this but I think it’s a neat idea
Except that it's confirmed Akechi got both Robin Hood & Loki at the same upon 1st awakening to the power so no, Akechi is NOT a wild card user like Makoto, Yu, & Ren are.
@@AngelKnightZeo713 This is only my headcanon, but I see it as kind of a flawed awakening. Akechi probably disregarded any sense of justice he had when he was awakening his persona and just stopped caring about the consequences of his actions, basically letting his feelings of inferiority and need for revenge be the sole fuel for his rebellion.
Basically, he didn't just accept his shadow, he became convinced that the shadow, the worst part of himself is who he truly is, causing his persona to awaken- but also shunning his original self which still held just beliefs and ideals in the process. It could be that it manifested as a separate, weaker persona, and because he believed Loki reflected his true self, he likely only viewed Robin Hood as a façade even though they're both equally a part of himself.
I personally believe that Hereward was his true persona, and that if he had awakened properly like the PTs did, it probably would have manifested as Hereward instead of two split personas.
Akechis new persona hereward looks so awesome!
Shame we can only use it in the last infiltration.
I actually hesitated to do the right thing here after going through so much with Akechi. 😢
7:14 Joker said "fuck your reality"
With the final cutscene and the fact Akechi didn't disappear like Okamura and Wakaba leads me to him being alive the whole time but not wanting Joker to know because he wants to start over.
Seeing Joker and Akechi pain and suffering they endured reminds me of Ramza and Delita from Final Fantasy Tactics. Joker like Ramza knows Aketchi's pain like Delita's, they both fight for justice and help each other, on opposite sides, i hope Aketchi has a happy ending that won't be like Delita's ending of being alone knowing what they work hard for to help the good people, i feel bad for him. :(
Perhaps the next sequel after Phantom Strikers the miracle will take effect. I kind of shudder the thought of Mitsuru and Naoto "executes" the enitre police force and conspiracy since they know better the consequences due to their own battles. Also the character pattern hints of another girl with Charity as her Arcana to complete the theological vitrues. The girl likely fit Akechi's potential solo story akin to Aigis, with the grown up P3 and 4 cast heavily involved in helping him find happiness within the corrupt society which caused him to die once.
I love Goro Akechi. I understand Goro Akechi. We all have a small part of Goro Akechi inside of us. First time i ever cried in a while was after this scene. Thank you, Goro Akechi.
this just makes me wonder even more how it would've been like to date Akechi (and the other guys ofc) if they made a female version of the protagonist/Akira
i feel like this really should've been a thing tbh or at least have joker be possibly bi maybe for royal, idk
@@bloodofphantoms preach 😩
I feel like kasumi was likely planned to be fem joker but they probably had a hard time changing the story for it and just made her a character in some of her other out fits in the third semester she is literally a fem joker.
I get scared every time Akechi gets mad or lashes out. His VA, Robbie Daymond, did an amazing job with this character! Imagine what would happen if you stole Akechi's pancakes! (I saw someone say that as a comment on another Akechi video; I don't want to take credit for it, but I loved it, so I commented it here.)
4:12 When I first saw this i thought he was gonna pull some 4th wall breaking bs and I was terrified
Reminder the true ending with akechis maxed confidant and a datamined scene of him in a rehab center hints that akechi DID survive shidos palace, maruki just didn't know.
On top of that, nine times out of 10, if you don’t see the character die on screen, they’re alive and kicking.
Except that Strikers occurs after Persona 5 (PS3/2016) and NOT Royal (PS4/2020) which was mentioned during Strikers' development so Akechi is in fact dead; also, Futaba can sense people's vital signs so it's pretty much stated that Akechi died in Shido's Palace
@@AngelKnightZeo713Akechi not being in Strikers means nothing. Neither Tae is so what? As above us is stated, if you don’t see a character die, they are almost always alive.
Most 3rd tier Personas are interesting or have neat designs, but Hereward just straight up kicks ass. It's like Batman, Superman and Green Arrow all fused together.
This man Maruki--he had the Phantom Thieves cornered and dead to rights. Yet, he gives EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY EVER to let you beat him, all for the sake of allowing "free will" in a "utopian reality".
My favorite final boss, palace, etc, by far, and amazing story arc. Even if it was a little fan-service-y due to Akechi, but hey, I'll take pancake-boi any day.
-Is Royal worth it?
-You get to play as Evil Akechi.
-Anything else?
-You want more?!
“It’s better to die a free man than to live in bondage.”
-Sgt. Fizz, Sausage Party
You’ve made a lot of these so I understand if you’re like chilling right now, but could you make a vid on what happens if you accept the deal?
Coming later
“This is great… I feel so alive! I’ll sow chaos as far as the eye can see!” 10:12
Man I spend like 20 minutes when it came to choosing the fake reality vs the real reality... I didn’t have the heart to pick. Bravo Altus
Man, Akechi's "pleasant" persona really pissed me off throughout the entire vanilla, but I'm in love with his edgesona
After I beat the game 4 times I still come back to this.
So good.
I love how his entire existence in the 3rd semester is the game trying to make you understand Maruki's POV by giving you, the player, someone you care about and who will be lost once he is defeated.