Woodturning Tool Review: Beall Buffing System
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- Опубліковано 2 вер 2015
- www.AsWoodTurns.com
In this video, I review my experience with the Beall Buffing System to help you avoid my purchasing mistake.
I like the results but feel my initial configuration was a mistake.
Here's what I would recommend:
Hold Fast Long Buffing Adapter - ~$31.50
Beall 4" Bowl Buff 3 Piece Set - ~$36.50
Beall 8" Buffing Wheel Tripoli - ~$16.75
Beall 8" Buffing Wheel White Diamond - ~$16.75
Beall 8" Buffing Wheel Wax - ~$16.75
Beall Buffing Compound Tripoli - ~$5.50
Beall Buffing Compound White Diamond - ~$5.75
Beall Buffing Compound Carnauba Wax = ~$6.75
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Here's what I purchased and what you see in my videos:
Beall Three Buff System - ~$94.50 (Inlcudes buffing compounds)
Hold Fast Long Buffing Adapter - ~$31.50
Beall 4" Bowl Buff 3 Piece Set - ~$36.50
I purchased from Craft Supplies USA
Please be careful about a mandrel. Some are for a stand alone electric motor. A Morse taper mandrel requires tail stock support which limits motion. This is why I selected the Holdfast Long buffing adapter. It threads to my spindle and is secure without tailstock support.
Please wear a full face shield and dust mask.
Good turning.
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After watching i patted myself on the back for getting the three independent wheels and the three inside bowl buffs. Thank you for confirming my decision.
You are so welcome.
Alan
I have just ordered the buffing system, and appreciate the great tips you have offered Alan. Thanks, Ed
+Edmund Wootton Hope your doing well with your buffing system.
Alan
I got the Beall about 18 months ago Alan, and went for the extender ( not as long here in the UK), and I'm glad I did, for the reasons you have highlighted here. For smaller projects, as has been said already, the three wheel system is quicker, and more convenient I would guess, but for overall flexibility, the extender is the way to go. Great review. Thank you.
Take care
Mike
+Mike Waldt I agree. Thank you Mike,
Alan
Great tips Alan, I've been thinking about this system for a while now, and it sure is a valid point to get the individual wheels with the extender, and I'm sure buffing on a single wheel going round is simpler then trying to avoid the other wheels while they spin in the 3 wheels set.
Thanks again!!
Yuval.
+Yuval Lahav You're welcome.
IMHO. If all you're doing in smaller spindle work the 3-in-1 may be all right. Bowls and larger spindle work would do better with individual buffs.
Alan Stratton
I been meaning to build my own 3 wheel buffing system. It just dropped down my to do list. Thank You Alan.
+tom ziferTomZifer Great! Maybe saved you some time and money.
Alan
I was looking at the mandrel setup with a raised eyebrow for this reason and you saved me some time and money looking further. Thank you
Glad to serve.
Alan
Best buffer video I've seen thanks for the good advice!
Glad it was helpful!
Alan
Great video!, Im glad you pointed out the limitations of the one size fits all system.
Im cheap , im just going to turn a extender wheel holder and mount up my dollar store wheels!
My purpose fulfilled. :)
Alan
Great info...I just bought the 3 buffing wheel system and wondered what to do about the inside of the bowls.
Just a couple for adaptations. :)
Alan
I bought the three in one as you did, but then I converted it by placing a short bolt through each wheel so I can use them on the extender. Works great just remember to use the appropriate washers on each side of the wheels and a lock nut is a good idea as well.
+Tom Baker Great idea. but I'm still debating the convenience of quickly moving to another buff versus changing them. I'll leave my 3 buff intact for a little while longer. :)
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Alan
Thanks for the video and the info on the Hold Fast mandrel Alan. I like that much better than the original, shorter Beall mandrel.
You are welcome. Glad to be of service.
Alan
I agree with your conclusions. Allow me to add some additional perspective: For smaller items, such as pens, boxes, and bottle stoppers, the three-in-one system is the best. You can quickly go from one wheel to the next. With the three separate wheel system, you need to swap wheels. That's not nearly as convenient -- particularly if you have several items to buff! For larger items, the three-in-one system simply does not work. For example, it's really hard to buff a 12" pepper mill on the system without the mill coming into contact with more than one wheel at the same time. So, for those who turn nothing but small projects, the three-in-one system is great. For those of us who turn a greater variety of projects, the other system is much more flexible.
Lastly, I've quit using carnauba wax on the third wheel. I use a microcrystalline wax instead. It's much less prone to showing fingerprints and is less prone to water spotting.
+David Walser Thanks for your perspective - I did note that the 3 in 1 may work better for spindle projects. But it is not working well for my project mix.
Interesting idea on the microcrystalline was.
Alan
Well......, Thank you again, Alan for the extra information. I have found the the three wheel buffing system to be just fine for the work I am doing so far, (pens, etc.) However, I still find the added info to be very helpful also, - should I get into any amount of bowl turning. What little bowl turning I have done to date, I hadn't bothered with using a buffing system. All the very best, Ed
+Edmund Wootton The 3 buff is great for spindle work. Glad it is working for you.
Alan
Good review Alan
Regards
Peter
+Peter Matthew Thank you Peter.
Alan
Mr Beall has a video on this system, and he recommends using a coarse sandpaper (80 grit, I think) on a board to condition the buffs by removing the fine threads and fibers. He used a shop vac to capture these, and did it for about 30 seconds. Breathing this stuff is not good, and he suggests using a dust mask when buffing.
+Doug Robins Even after the system is broken in, it sheds fibers and potentially particles. Wear the dust mask and face shield with each use not only when breaking it in.
Alan
Very interesting Alan, thanks for sharing this.
There seems to be a universal, cosmic rule, which says that everything has an opposite aspect. In this case, the new "Beall" system is less beall than the former "one thing at time" system.
+rimar2000 Osvaldo J. Schiavoni Reminds me of the law of unintended consequences.
Alan
Very well explained, thanks
You are welcome!
Alan
Good video Mr Stratton! Could you do one about the use of it in practise (ie: how you sand before it and to what grit and what the resulting finish is like?) ... would love to see that!Thanks for the heads up, I just bought a Chestnut one and it comes with the three wheels separate so perhaps its a halfway house...
+Thomas Murphy I usually sand to 400 grit or if I'm lazy 320 grit. with buffing, I like the shine. I know some like to go to 1200 or more but for me that would only be for a pen. Last several projects, I show buffing at the end.
Alan
Thanks for the insight Alan! I need to get a proper system....
Oh, how many projects have you "launched"?
+Peter Brown Ahh ... did you really have to bring that up? It is so easy to lose one while buffing. In fact, I just completed one (not yet to video) that got away from me.
Alan
The new Beall system has a narrower taper, I think to fit Shopsmith headstocks. It still fits M2, of course, but it wobbles. I guess it doesn't matter since the tail end is supported, but I wish it seated properly.
Per their webside, one end should be a #2 Morse taper. The tail end is simply a divot in the end of the bar intended to be supported by a live center.
If this is not your setup, call them.
Alan
Hi Alan, I enjoy your videos very much. Your projects and ideas 😊are very well done. Way beyond me at this point. I had a question about your video on the Beall Buffing System. You explained the three larger wheels and the three smaller individual wheels. I liked your idea of the smaller buffs, more user friendly. I look for the adapter you used to connect the smaller buffs. Is it the aluminum piece that threads directly on the spindle and the buffs threads on the other end? It looked different then what you showed. I know it’s all being sold through Lee Valley 😊now. Thanks for your help. roger D.
The one I have is noted in the description and available from Craft Supplies. Have not explored Lee Valley.
Alan
alan I bought the psi buffing system but I am going to buy the extender like the one you have,,the psi bolts that hold the wheel on is metric,,i believe the beale system is a 3/8x16,,,can you tell me if I am correct,,
I'm pretty sure mine was 3/8x16
Alan
Thanks so much
You're welcome
Alan
Thanks for the review and your tips. I was just looking at the Beal system after having set up a homemade version. I bought some 6'' wheels from China (way cheaper than the Beal wheels) and set them up on a long bolt which I gripped with the lathe chuck. It worked fine, but I found that (depending on the piece your are polishing) it was almost impossible to avoid the piece rubbing against the adjacent wheel. Have you found that to be the case with your initial system? After seeing your bowl buffs and extender it seems to be the better way to go, but you have to put up with the inconvenience of continually screwing in and out the various wheels or bowl buffs. I am glad I saw your review before I invested any more in these systems. Cheers.
You got the point. It works great on smaller spindles. Not so on bowls.
Happy New Year
Alan
good
Thanks for commenting.
Alan
Good to see
It works for smaller parts but see my other video before purchasing.
Alan
Live and learn..........
+ChillySunshine yes but with a little less money. :)
Alan
what is the thread size in the end of the extender where the wheel goes ?
+tom reynolds The bolt is 3/8 coarse - a very common size.
Alan
I wish you'd have made this video 2 weeks ago. I just made the same mistakes for exactly the same reasons.
+Tim Whitehead Sorry, but at least now you have a threaded shaft with a Morse taper that you could adapt to therming. :)
Alan
Me too
What was it like playing the fonz?
I guess I do not understand the question.
You look like Henry winkler.