it's actually so sad we've lost the communal aspect of christmas. if you don't have a family or get along with your family you have so few options and even if you deal with it pretty well most of the time, it stings a lot at Christmas
This was 500 years ago literally the same problem as today. only difference back then was being part of huge families and no concept of privacy, living all together under the same roof in such large numbers, you probably had at least one ally amongst your whole family at all the time around you and even iff not and you had troubles with everyone the alternatives gave been miserable, you literally gave bc d cen stuck stuck with your family together with the only possible escape have been death, become a nun priest, going in to a war or get married of .
I love the German story of the Christmas spider, who decorates the tree of a poor woman with its silk which turn into tinsel of silver. Which now that I think of it, are spiders usually depicted as helpful in folklore ? I know there’s the Anansi and Arachne but I don’t remember them being helpful
OMG THANK YOU!!! I'm a pagan and a witch and it's SO annoying to hear people say it's Pagan. Some say it's witchcraft and it ain't. It's not just Christmas either it's all the major holidays that many Pagans say that all holidays have Pagan roots and once again most of it is not true. For instance, some say that the name Ostara (easter) comes from Eostra a Pagan Goddess but come to find out that was said by a Chrostian munk named Bede...when did we start taking the outsiders opinions as fact??!? If I remember correctly there is no evidence of a Goddess by that name.
Yeah, and Easter is only called that in a few northern European languages. In most Romance and other Mediterranean languages it's called by some transliteration of Pesach, i.e. the Passover meal Jesus and his apostles celebrated before his crucifixion. (e.g. in my Italian family it's "Pasqua")
When I worked at a living history museum of Pennsylvania Germans, we would hang a tree upside down from the rafters in our colonial era buildings. Apparently when people (and in the old world, maybe animals, too) were stuck indoors together in bad weather the tree was like a giant air freshener. Also, if you hung cookies on it, the mice couldn't get them.
I love your videos so much and this one was awesome ! Though I do think it depends (abt what a Xmas tree symbolizes) very much on the family I suppose. I do generally think they are a celebration of your family. Almost everyone in my family’s trees consist of hand made ornaments, store bought ornaments gifted because they remind you of a specific thing someone you know loves, celebrating births, celebrating the lives of lost loved ones, photos of loved ones. Sure there is also pretty stuff and Xmas is very very consumer-y, but decorating the Christmas tree is a time of remembrance and celebration of family and memories made together for a good portion of families- I may be wrong in assuming that. Also sorry for typos and grammar it’s 4:40 am where I’m at
I would argue that, even though secular Christmas has forgotten Jesus, that Jesus is still lurking in the shadows of secular Christmas and many of the values of family and giving which are still present in the season, and that this has the capacity to convey the gospel into the hearts of some people who can be further drawn into the faith as the relics of these things which once touched Christ work upon them, and speak to the longings of their heart.
Happiest of Holidays to you and Newest of All your Gregorian Years you Live! Thank you for your content. I truly learn quite a lot from you and knowledge is the most priceless gift!
Interesting I always had this idea that lights on the trees came from pegans and when those German communities became Christian they kept it and made it their own, and since we don't celebrate christmas yule logs are more of a new years family tradition. Happy holidays artlust🩵
OK, now that I’ve watched the entire thing you touched on so many specific points as I was raised by this very particular value, however the Catholicism within my Irish and German American immigrant roots that sprouted in the beautiful Midwest of the United States of America, it did eventually become a version of Santa, which is also what many people considered to be a vernacular for Saturnia and I absolutely resonate with the non-drunken holiday, we never had liquor at any family event and family events were prioritized throughout every season, especially Christmas and Easter! Now that 123 and Me or whatever they are called nowadays, started looking into ancestry. I find this so specifically true as in every Christmas we would have ham and beef stroganoff with not even a glass of wine in sight! Despite the very adult bar from my very Irish American grandparents in the basement of the home!
Kinda, but her granddaughter Victoria was the one who actually popularized this tradition amongst the British citizens (the court was already familiar with this German tradition because of Charlotte started to decorate the palace rooms with Christmas trees but if you never have been a part of the royal court or have been a royal servant, and instead nothing more than a wealthy commoner or being just a peasant, you never would have known about Charlotte and her trees. Which changed only because of the idea to use a royal family portrait as visual appeal too lure the commoners in to reading the Kings/Queens annual Christmas/New years speech. An them being rich and famous, lead people to copy their lifestyle represented in the drawn pictures including the Christmas Tree tradition which obviously seemed to stuck
it's actually so sad we've lost the communal aspect of christmas. if you don't have a family or get along with your family you have so few options and even if you deal with it pretty well most of the time, it stings a lot at Christmas
This was 500 years ago literally the same problem as today.
only difference back then was being part of huge families and no concept of privacy, living all together under the same roof in such large numbers, you probably had at least one ally amongst your whole family at all the time around you and even iff not and you had troubles with everyone the alternatives gave been miserable, you literally gave bc d cen stuck stuck with your family together with the only possible escape have been death, become a nun priest, going in to a war or get married of .
I love the German story of the Christmas spider, who decorates the tree of a poor woman with its silk which turn into tinsel of silver. Which now that I think of it, are spiders usually depicted as helpful in folklore ? I know there’s the Anansi and Arachne but I don’t remember them being helpful
Charlotte's web also.Not folklore but in the canon of helpful spiders
OMG THANK YOU!!! I'm a pagan and a witch and it's SO annoying to hear people say it's Pagan. Some say it's witchcraft and it ain't. It's not just Christmas either it's all the major holidays that many Pagans say that all holidays have Pagan roots and once again most of it is not true. For instance, some say that the name Ostara (easter) comes from Eostra a Pagan Goddess but come to find out that was said by a Chrostian munk named Bede...when did we start taking the outsiders opinions as fact??!? If I remember correctly there is no evidence of a Goddess by that name.
:) thanks for watching. And I do think it’s harmful to pagans for sure
Yeah, and Easter is only called that in a few northern European languages. In most Romance and other Mediterranean languages it's called by some transliteration of Pesach, i.e. the Passover meal Jesus and his apostles celebrated before his crucifixion. (e.g. in my Italian family it's "Pasqua")
When I worked at a living history museum of Pennsylvania Germans, we would hang a tree upside down from the rafters in our colonial era buildings. Apparently when people (and in the old world, maybe animals, too) were stuck indoors together in bad weather the tree was like a giant air freshener. Also, if you hung cookies on it, the mice couldn't get them.
You seem like someone who would be really enjoyable to know in person and have interesting conversations with or go to an art museum with.
Thanks!
Religion for Breakfast has made many long videos about the origins of Christmas traditions if anyone wants to know more
have you considered doing a video on kwanzaa? i’ve always thought the daily principles and crafts aspect was interesting
Good idea! I’ll add it to the list.
I love your videos so much and this one was awesome !
Though I do think it depends (abt what a Xmas tree symbolizes) very much on the family I suppose. I do generally think they are a celebration of your family. Almost everyone in my family’s trees consist of hand made ornaments, store bought ornaments gifted because they remind you of a specific thing someone you know loves, celebrating births, celebrating the lives of lost loved ones, photos of loved ones. Sure there is also pretty stuff and Xmas is very very consumer-y, but decorating the Christmas tree is a time of remembrance and celebration of family and memories made together for a good portion of families-
I may be wrong in assuming that. Also sorry for typos and grammar it’s 4:40 am where I’m at
I would argue that, even though secular Christmas has forgotten Jesus, that Jesus is still lurking in the shadows of secular Christmas and many of the values of family and giving which are still present in the season, and that this has the capacity to convey the gospel into the hearts of some people who can be further drawn into the faith as the relics of these things which once touched Christ work upon them, and speak to the longings of their heart.
Happiest of Holidays to you and Newest of All your Gregorian Years you Live! Thank you for your content. I truly learn quite a lot from you and knowledge is the most priceless gift!
Thanks for watching
I can’t wait to watch this whole thing I had to come and straight off the bat! I’ve been talking about this for so long!!!
Yep I have a Christmas tree and I’m not Christian. I’m ethically Jewish but Russians traditionally have Christmas trees as a new year’s thing.
Are you an Ashkenazi? Then what you say makes perfect sense
Interesting I always had this idea that lights on the trees came from pegans and when those German communities became Christian they kept it and made it their own, and since we don't celebrate christmas yule logs are more of a new years family tradition. Happy holidays artlust🩵
OK, now that I’ve watched the entire thing you touched on so many specific points as I was raised by this very particular value, however the Catholicism within my Irish and German American immigrant roots that sprouted in the beautiful Midwest of the United States of America, it did eventually become a version of Santa, which is also what many people considered to be a vernacular for Saturnia and I absolutely resonate with the non-drunken holiday, we never had liquor at any family event and family events were prioritized throughout every season, especially Christmas and Easter! Now that 123 and Me or whatever they are called nowadays, started looking into ancestry. I find this so specifically true as in every Christmas we would have ham and beef stroganoff with not even a glass of wine in sight! Despite the very adult bar from my very Irish American grandparents in the basement of the home!
It’s also Saturn season! Aka, in astrology Capricorn is ruled by Saturn!
Hope you're doing well
Astrology is a figment of someone’s imagination. Get some help do some research
Blind leading the Blind
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5:29 didn't queen Charlotte of brigerton fame first being a christmas tree over
Kinda, but her granddaughter Victoria was the one who actually popularized this tradition amongst the British citizens (the court was already familiar with this German tradition because of Charlotte started to decorate the palace rooms with Christmas trees but if you never have been a part of the royal court or have been a royal servant, and instead nothing more than a wealthy commoner or being just a peasant, you never would have known about Charlotte and her trees. Which changed only because of the idea to use a royal family portrait as visual appeal too lure the commoners in to reading the Kings/Queens annual Christmas/New years speech. An them being rich and famous, lead people to copy their lifestyle represented in the drawn pictures including the Christmas Tree tradition which obviously seemed to stuck
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Ma’am go back to the origin stop misleading people. Nimrod, Semiramis, Tammuz
So, didn’t really hear the video