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    Shield Practice I'm Not In The Mood Knife Fight Dune 1984 vs 2021
    Dune (titled onscreen as Dune: Part One)
    is a 2021 American epic science fiction film directed by Denis Villeneuve with a screenplay by Jon Spaihts, Villeneuve, and Eric Roth. It is the first of a planned two-part adaptation of the 1965 novel of the same name by Frank Herbert, which covers roughly the first half of the book. The film stars an ensemble cast including Timothée Chalamet, Rebecca Ferguson, Oscar Isaac, Josh Brolin, Stellan Skarsgård, Dave Bautista, Stephen McKinley Henderson, Zendaya, David Dastmalchian, Chang Chen, Sharon Duncan-Brewster, Charlotte Rampling, Jason Momoa, and Javier Bardem.
    Dune premiered at the 78th Venice International Film Festival on September 3, 2021. Warner Bros. Pictures is scheduled to theatrically release the film internationally on September 15, 2021, and then in the United States on October 22, where it will have a simultaneous release on the HBO Max streaming service for 31 days.
    Cast
    Timothée Chalamet as Paul Atreides, the ducal heir of House Atreides.
    Rebecca Ferguson as Lady Jessica, Paul's Bene Gesserit mother and concubine to Duke Leto.
    Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto Atreides, Paul's father and the Duke of House Atreides bestowed with the stewardship of Arrakis.
    Josh Brolin as Gurney Halleck, the weapons master of House Atreides and one of Paul's mentors.
    Stellan Skarsgård as Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, Baron of House Harkonnen, enemy to House Atreides, and former steward of Arrakis.
    Dave Bautista as Glossu Rabban, the nephew of Baron Harkonnen.
    Stephen McKinley Henderson as Thufir Hawat, the Mentat of House Atreides.
    Zendaya as Chani, a young Fremen woman and Paul's love interest.
    David Dastmalchian as Piter De Vries, the Mentat of House Harkonnen.
    Chang Chen as Dr. Wellington Yueh, a Suk doctor in the employ of House Atreides.
    Sharon Duncan-Brewster as Dr. Liet-Kynes, Chani's mother and the leading ecologist and peacekeeper on Arrakis.
    Charlotte Rampling as Gaius Helen Mohiam, a Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother and the Emperor's Truthsayer.
    Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho, the swordmaster of House Atreides and one of Paul's mentors.
    Javier Bardem as Stilgar, the leader of the Fremen tribe at Sietch Tabr.
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  • @marcinradziejewski6086
    @marcinradziejewski6086 6 місяців тому +12950

    The 1984 Dune shield looks like it could stop a tank projectile.

    • @samd2013
      @samd2013 5 місяців тому +778

      Well it could lol. Same with the 2021 dune shields. Fast moving objects can’t go through the shield, so a tank projectile would be stopped it in both 1984 and 2021

    • @raph9831
      @raph9831 5 місяців тому +109

      And it probably could, yeah

    • @thefriendlyknight
      @thefriendlyknight 5 місяців тому +201

      Technically both could I think. I know both render standard firearms obsolete.

    • @user-lz5kh5zn3r
      @user-lz5kh5zn3r 5 місяців тому +132

      ​@@thefriendlyknightI didn't read the original novel but since when the characters get hit they clearly receive some shock, I'd say a tank projectile is still lethal to a human

    • @iancasleton6356
      @iancasleton6356 5 місяців тому +146

      ​@@user-lz5kh5zn3rsame way a helmat may not break but your brain still jiggles and hits the walls of your skull

  • @kylemacbeth3628
    @kylemacbeth3628 2 роки тому +17264

    "They used CGI to fake the moon landing!"
    CGI in the 80's:

    • @erosgritti5171
      @erosgritti5171 5 місяців тому +652

      It's not computer graphics. They simply drew on every single frame

    • @DubiousDenarius
      @DubiousDenarius 5 місяців тому +245

      @@erosgritti5171 Yeah, and why is that?

    • @TrickyTricky914
      @TrickyTricky914 5 місяців тому +450

      @@DubiousDenariusI mean… that’s literally what they did. To clarify: for the really blocky shields, that’s not CGI; it’s hand-animated, drawn-on frame by frame.

    • @DubiousDenarius
      @DubiousDenarius 5 місяців тому +482

      @@TrickyTricky914 And to OP's point, that's a very good argument why they did not fake the moon landings with CGI... Bacause they could not even if they wanted to.

    • @adrvapor9433
      @adrvapor9433 5 місяців тому +67

      have you seen 2001 a space odyssey tho?

  • @elirayzor
    @elirayzor 2 роки тому +14239

    The fact that the original shields were *hand animated, frame-by-frame*

    • @TheRealSamPreece
      @TheRealSamPreece 2 роки тому +820

      Seems like a waste of time and money.

    • @numbernine5044
      @numbernine5044 2 роки тому +639

      The animators said "The 3D department said they would be anatomically accurate. .They told us they would block it in. "

    • @ecurb10
      @ecurb10 2 роки тому +268

      Sure? They did have primative CGI back then.
      Tron was made two years before.

    • @Mintteacup_
      @Mintteacup_ 2 роки тому +74

      @@ecurb10 if i remember correctly that wasn't cgi and live action. When they blended the two it was cut outs. (I may be wrong so forgive me)

    • @SetuwoKecik
      @SetuwoKecik 2 роки тому +28

      @@TheRealSamPreece from today's perspective, yes

  • @GarredHATES
    @GarredHATES Рік тому +4520

    Man, Patrick was just born old

    • @adamdavidsoddities8573
      @adamdavidsoddities8573 Рік тому +100

      Right? Lol. I still love the dude tho

    • @QuarkGamingLLC
      @QuarkGamingLLC 5 місяців тому +479

      He’s like Morgan freeman. He just appeared one day in his mid forties and started acting

    • @apertureemployee215
      @apertureemployee215 5 місяців тому +134

      dude has some sort of hair condition; he literally went bald in his 20s. Lucky for him, he makes it work

    • @SwayneIII
      @SwayneIII 5 місяців тому +39

      @@QuarkGamingLLC Tommy Lee Jones too! Born at age 50

    • @Rqblt
      @Rqblt 5 місяців тому +10

      Like christopher loyd

  • @ridethasno
    @ridethasno 2 роки тому +33210

    The original film sure does have a lot of futuristic Minecraft vibes.

    • @Firefox13A
      @Firefox13A 2 роки тому +494

      I was thinking more "Command and Conquer" vibes.

    • @WTFisTingispingis
      @WTFisTingispingis 2 роки тому +61

      *oof*

    • @itsok6640
      @itsok6640 2 роки тому +152

      You're right, it's way more imaginative and cooler than a slight blue sparkle

    • @Connor8609
      @Connor8609 2 роки тому +407

      @@itsok6640 it's terrible design

    • @itsok6640
      @itsok6640 2 роки тому +218

      @@Connor8609 I'm sorry that graphics weren't what they are now *37 fucking years ago*

  • @residentidiot5998
    @residentidiot5998 2 роки тому +17554

    It took them 30+ years to fix their hitboxes?

    • @Tiger74147
      @Tiger74147 2 роки тому +381

      Okay this gave me a laugh

    • @lambchop58
      @lambchop58 2 роки тому +180

      The had plesioth hitbox

    • @davecrupel2817
      @davecrupel2817 2 роки тому +24

      😂😂😂

    • @maestrolodahl8681
      @maestrolodahl8681 2 роки тому +18

      Hahaha! Frakking awesome comment! :D xD xD xD

    • @ganii1804
      @ganii1804 2 роки тому +78

      awh hell naw atreides got dem janky ass hitbox

  • @chris__929
    @chris__929 Рік тому +1933

    I’m just glad both versions of Paul found the mood

    • @andreasretsinas2142
      @andreasretsinas2142 4 місяці тому +17

      Best comment here! 😅

    • @bhante1345
      @bhante1345 4 місяці тому

      ​@@andreasretsinas2142awright, calm down.

    • @Scroolewse
      @Scroolewse 3 місяці тому +4

      Was the "I'm not in the mood" followed by "it looks like you've found the mood" in the book? I don't remember. I just think it would be awesome if it was a line made for the Lynch movie and Denis took it straight from there, it fits so perfectly in this scene.

    • @spacebassist
      @spacebassist 3 місяці тому

      @@Scroolewse something to that effect: "..you fought some better when pressed to it. You seemed to get the mood.” (p.40)

  • @AAA-tc1uh
    @AAA-tc1uh 2 роки тому +3243

    One thing the 84 version nailed correctly is the voice alteration through the shield, IIRC the book specifically mentions this.

    • @trla6505
      @trla6505 2 роки тому +115

      That's interesting, so the air coming out of the person sounds different or is it just the vibration?

    • @AAA-tc1uh
      @AAA-tc1uh 2 роки тому +590

      From the book: “Paul snapped the force button at his waist, felt the crinkled-skin tingling of the defensive field at his forehead and down his back, heard external sounds take on characteristic shield-filtered flatness.”

    • @johneden2033
      @johneden2033 2 роки тому +324

      @@trla6505 Probably everything. Air still has to pass through the shield otherwise the user would suffocate, so the shield is going to alter the soundwave as it travels through the air, like how a spinning fan does. So the user hears everything slightly distorted and everyone else hears the user's voice distorted.

    • @jeremycraft2445
      @jeremycraft2445 Рік тому +104

      Yes, the shield dampens 'fast moving vibrations' as well as blades, resulting in the 'shield-filtered flatness' as quoted by @AAA-tc1uh.

    • @Godzillakingofkaiju1
      @Godzillakingofkaiju1 9 місяців тому +38

      There's a scene in the 2021 movie where Gurney does briefly have the voice warp but that's only when we see the shields.

  • @trevorrobertsondoublebass4233
    @trevorrobertsondoublebass4233 2 роки тому +3203

    “Mood’s a thing for cattle and loveplay”
    Was that…was that a pun?
    “What did the cow do?”
    “It mood”

    • @augustsmith9553
      @augustsmith9553 5 місяців тому +148

      Nobody has commented in 2 years for a reason

    • @tortis6342
      @tortis6342 5 місяців тому +27

      Sure was! Puns are awesome.

    • @arxeha
      @arxeha 5 місяців тому +44

      the reason this comment doesn't get replied for 2 years is that everyone else mood the comment

    • @augustsmith9553
      @augustsmith9553 5 місяців тому +13

      @@arxehaI made you and I can unmake you

    • @Blockistium
      @Blockistium 5 місяців тому +12

      Mood is a thing for cattle and wordplay.

  • @REChronic54
    @REChronic54 2 роки тому +7304

    I genuinely would've probably liked Lynch's fight sequence if I knew what the hell was happening.

    • @lindsaymonroe567
      @lindsaymonroe567 2 роки тому +585

      Thank you, I cant see shit in those shields

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +100

      Then you should have waited 30 years. It likely as this is because it is far easier to do big trace by trace and frame by frame shield then a skin tight shield, at the time, nowadays, this would be easy to do. I still like it though because it gives it a uniqueness.

    • @REChronic54
      @REChronic54 2 роки тому +447

      @@Henbot I know that the effects were due to the time period it was created, so I'm not gonna fault it for that. But bottom line is, I still can't see anything. And it's a disservice to the actual fight choreography. But I also heard the production was plagued with issues so they probably didn't have the time/resources to work on it.

    • @Alphabunsquad
      @Alphabunsquad 2 роки тому +83

      Yah I would have loved to have seen Patrick Stewart violate the laws of moment to launch himself skull forward at the camera like a lawn dart.

    • @jeova0sanctus0unus
      @jeova0sanctus0unus 2 роки тому +56

      @@Henbot We get that but its still an issue if you cant see what is happening in your visual medium.

  • @stevenberliner7964
    @stevenberliner7964 4 місяці тому +102

    "Mood’s a thing for cattle and loveplay, not fighting!" Direct quote from the book. I appreciated that touch in the 1984 version.

  • @MM22966
    @MM22966 3 місяці тому +58

    Whoever had the idea to make the shields go red/blue for deflect/penetrate was a bloody genius and I hope he got a raise. It made the fights clearer, made the faces clearer, the fights more fluid, and added some serious impact to the story on its own.

    • @user-nc2ey4kw7r
      @user-nc2ey4kw7r 3 місяці тому

      Also makes it dumber. How do the shields tell if they should go red and why would they let the thing penetrate if they know you wouldnt want it?

    • @user-us1xp5dx6x
      @user-us1xp5dx6x 3 місяці тому +2

      @@user-nc2ey4kw7r Makes sense to me. It's the equivalent of an error message. Just because the technology is able to read that the shield is broken doesn't mean that it can fix it.

    • @user-nc2ey4kw7r
      @user-nc2ey4kw7r 3 місяці тому

      @@user-us1xp5dx6x except it's not broken just doesnt want to deflect this one attack at the moment
      Computers are banned in the empire so maybe that's why they're so buggy

    • @davidk1308
      @davidk1308 3 місяці тому +2

      @@user-nc2ey4kw7r It's told in this video, "the slow blade penetrates the shield." Shields aren't an impenetrable barrier any more than armor doesn't stop all bullets (or the impact force). And air and sound still has to pass through. So while you can't slash at someone and cut them, if you can slow yourself down below a certain speed, objects can go through, and it turns red to show that happened. I believe it's explained better in the books, where your fighting strategy encourages you to move quickly when being attacked, so it's harder to get a blade through.

    • @user-nc2ey4kw7r
      @user-nc2ey4kw7r 3 місяці тому

      @@davidk1308 if the shield knows of a danger (and it always does), the film never tells us how and why does it not act on it(which it theoretically could by locally intensifying itself).
      I liked when the lynch's shields just turned you into a blunt weapon. Simple, consistent and effective... and funny

  • @breadlord2855
    @breadlord2855 2 роки тому +14586

    I get it was the 80s and futuristic technology was imagined differently, but jesus

    • @TurtleRocker12
      @TurtleRocker12 2 роки тому +1827

      Lynch who directed it didn't want it to be like samurai or ninja movies or the force cause he thought that would be cheesy. He said it would be like "Kung fu in sand dunes" So he changed the fighting style to something actually much worse.

    • @breadlord2855
      @breadlord2855 2 роки тому +727

      @@TurtleRocker12 i was thinking more about the """""""""""""""shields"""""""""""""" but yea

    • @TurtleRocker12
      @TurtleRocker12 2 роки тому +319

      @@breadlord2855 you're right. I'm just saying, it didn't need to be this weird and overblown in the first place.

    • @breadlord2855
      @breadlord2855 2 роки тому +229

      @@TurtleRocker12 well at least i have something to laugh at while bored and procrastinating

    • @TurtleRocker12
      @TurtleRocker12 2 роки тому +15

      @@breadlord2855 yeah, it's amazing 😅

  • @jonathantan2469
    @jonathantan2469 2 роки тому +5234

    I didn't know the TARS robots from "Interstellar" could knife fight...

    • @lindsaymonroe567
      @lindsaymonroe567 2 роки тому +67

      LMAO

    • @adamscott7354
      @adamscott7354 2 роки тому +111

      What CAN'T those things do?

    • @sdm000
      @sdm000 2 роки тому +82

      LMAO if TARS and CASE had different plans 💀

    • @kakiytjarone8415
      @kakiytjarone8415 2 роки тому +8

      Omfg I thought I was the only one that noticed that!!

    • @csaba5415
      @csaba5415 2 роки тому +1

      @@sdm000 I hear they are looking for a job now ;).

  • @comicscodeauthority3920
    @comicscodeauthority3920 Рік тому +826

    i like how when Paul vaults the table at 0:54 he hits it hard with his palms causing the shield to activate but when he goes to grab the knives he pauses dissecting the motion preventing the shield from activating and allowing him to grab them nice little details

    • @kotm8633
      @kotm8633 5 місяців тому +34

      thats actually sick! i've not noticed that before

    • @moshymosh
      @moshymosh 5 місяців тому +31

      I didn't see him pause his shield at all. I guess the animators forgot this detail bruh. You're seeing things.

    • @rrohbot
      @rrohbot 5 місяців тому +86

      @@moshymosh The commenter said he paused his motion, not his shields. You're seeing things.

    • @Fragenzeichenplatte
      @Fragenzeichenplatte 5 місяців тому +30

      @@rrohbot He didn't pause any motion. He grabbed the knife as one would even without a shield.

    • @RibbitRibbit25
      @RibbitRibbit25 5 місяців тому +32

      Unfortunately they messed it up by not having his hand glow red when he grabbed the knives. Without that it looks like the shield somehow knows when something is an actual danger, in which case why doesn't the shield just block everything dangerous. (Also his footsteps should glow red every time too as the shield allows the floor to enter.)

  • @eticketchannelofficial
    @eticketchannelofficial 5 місяців тому +554

    The retrofuturistic gothic vibe of the original was a design choice I still respect. A marriage of the technological and the feudal. Honestly, I love the aesthetic of both movies.

    • @lartisteautravail
      @lartisteautravail 5 місяців тому +40

      Was just gonna say that stylistically I might prefer the original. It’s such a weird look but sometimes you want weird.

    • @eticketchannelofficial
      @eticketchannelofficial 5 місяців тому +34

      @lartisteautravail Somethings to keep in mind are that the Dune universe is in a perpetually feudal state and that computers have been banned for thousands of years. That really drove a lot of the aesthetic choices. The marriage of the Spanish dripping wax gothic style and the sharp, almost Germanic uniforms of the Emperor and House Atradies are great examples. The blocky personal shield animation, in particular, gets a lot of hate, but in context, it makes perfect sense. Cheers!

    • @danielcarter5537
      @danielcarter5537 4 місяці тому +7

      All that and Patrick Stewart, being a Shakespearean actor, adds even more to the tone of the movie with the way he presents his lines.

    • @eticketchannelofficial
      @eticketchannelofficial 4 місяці тому +2

      @@danielcarter5537 "If you'd have fought one whit below your abilities; I'd have given you a good scar to remind ye."

    • @ybyby3rdday
      @ybyby3rdday 4 місяці тому +2

      They still have that in the new one. But it could've been more emphasized

  • @thereligion4169
    @thereligion4169 2 роки тому +7627

    I never realized before the shield belt did not literally need to be a belt and was completely impractical, the way Villeneuve portrayed it was more practical how they wrap it around the wrist or hand, and the baron has one lazily attached like a brass knuckle which he can just flick on at a whim, I can appreciate both depictions regardless of effects, but Villeneuve made more sense.

    • @Tiger74147
      @Tiger74147 2 роки тому +285

      In the books it was a belt. Not that I disagree with you otherwise!

    • @CommanderActaeon
      @CommanderActaeon 2 роки тому +360

      What also makes more sense is how in the new movie it looks like there is more of a "technique" to make the blade pass through the shield, while in the old movie how the "slow blade penetrates the shield" seems TOO slow and very exploitable for an opponent. The "draw" in the old version seems like something that would happen consistently if that was how slow you had to push the blade.

    • @russellfox4541
      @russellfox4541 2 роки тому +76

      @@CommanderActaeon it was exploitable in the book.

    • @thereligion4169
      @thereligion4169 2 роки тому +161

      @@CommanderActaeon the shields in the first place are to deter projectiles, not swords or close range weapons, jabbing someone with a knife is far slower than a bullet, so it would make sense if slashes were completely deflected but not a sturdy thrust with some finesse.

    • @BBanzaj
      @BBanzaj 2 роки тому +120

      i disagree, its easier to wear something on your belt, rather than something the size of walkman on your wrist. It also makes sense if u realise that if the wearer looses one arm, the shield is affected. If you loose the arm that has the device on it, shield goes with it, if you loose the other one, it might be harder to turn the thing off (i guess you could try using your nose to turn it off).

  • @mehkle4431
    @mehkle4431 2 роки тому +7158

    If only Frank Herbert could see the new Dune adaptation 🤧

    • @o.m.g7277
      @o.m.g7277 2 роки тому +421

      I know....he deserves a lot of recognition. He was an amazing writer!

    • @FATE522
      @FATE522 2 роки тому +136

      He could see what he was doing with it more than any movie creator could do with it 🥰

    • @IvanKala
      @IvanKala 2 роки тому +171

      aye, he would be pissed how new guy butchered his Liet Keynes.

    • @jacobdaniels3246
      @jacobdaniels3246 2 роки тому +56

      @@IvanKala what happened to Liet Kynes? That’s the botanist girl right?

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +111

      He actually loved David Lynch one btw

  • @hedgeearthridge6807
    @hedgeearthridge6807 4 місяці тому +77

    I love both Patrick Stewart and Josh Brolin here, they both nail the attitude in two different ways: Patrick more exacting and disciplined, Josh more grizzled and rough. With Paul on the other hand, Timothee actually seemed like he was NOT in the mood 😂

  • @DarthLego46
    @DarthLego46 2 роки тому +492

    I like how imprecise and utilitarian the 80’s shields look. Like the designers got to the point where the things could do their intended purpose and stopped there, with no regards to aesthetics or refinement.

    • @TheByQQ
      @TheByQQ 2 роки тому +36

      I mean, that's literally what they did. Drew the shields and said "that's good enough"

    • @RanHarasaki
      @RanHarasaki 2 роки тому +49

      I agree with you Darth. That's how I always thought of it. I mean imagine if shields -were- a thing, they would likely need projected limiters, and it's easier to make those in simple geometric designs than hugging every curve of the human body within a millimeter. If modern shield tech becomes a thing, it will likely look like it does in the 80s version waaaay before the modern variant.

    • @mikewilson858
      @mikewilson858 5 місяців тому +22

      I like a lot of David’s visual design in his Dune, and I like his shields, but given how much more they are used in Danny’s film, I definitely see value to scaling back how obstruct looks. 100 dudes fighting 100 dudes with these shields would look like shit

    • @peppermillers8361
      @peppermillers8361 5 місяців тому +11

      And it looks goofy as hell.

    • @Gameprojordan
      @Gameprojordan 5 місяців тому +12

      ​​@peppermillers8361 I don't think it's goofy. It would be extremely unsettling if you started getting pursued by someone with a shield equipped like that. It completely distorts what they look and sound like while making them impervious to most attacks. Feels like some sort of alien horror

  • @ondrejbronec837
    @ondrejbronec837 2 роки тому +1224

    For anyone who hasn't seen the VFX breakdwon the best part is that the 1984 graphics are not ancient computers, but human drawn to look like digital animations of 1984. Great idea :D

    • @mousermind
      @mousermind Рік тому +5

      *breakdown

    • @Fragenzeichenplatte
      @Fragenzeichenplatte 5 місяців тому +24

      They intentionally made it look like it's from 1984? In 1984? That's visionary! /s

    • @waffler-yz3gw
      @waffler-yz3gw 5 місяців тому +8

      the only issue is that it makes it impossible to see whats happening

    • @caliperstorm8343
      @caliperstorm8343 3 місяці тому +1

      They had to do it manually in order to get the reflection and distortion effects. CGI couldn’t do projection mapping like that for a few more years (like in 1986’s “Flight of the Navigator”)

    • @jeffa4822
      @jeffa4822 2 місяці тому +1

      @@caliperstorm8343and they said landing on the moon was CGI 🤣

  • @rhetiq9989
    @rhetiq9989 2 роки тому +6565

    The newer version is easier on the eyes and you can actually tell what’s happening in the combat, not to mention it adds a unique vibrant flair to it. The old one’s like two horribly animated minecraft models brutally fucking each other

    • @MrImastinker
      @MrImastinker 2 роки тому +506

      The new one’s also more faithful to the books, where the shield is almost invisible unless you’re striking.

    • @Primus-kz3ri
      @Primus-kz3ri 2 роки тому +211

      @@MrImastinker if I remember correctly the only way to tell if someone has a shield is a slight distortion in the air around them. Like the heat from flames of a fire

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +65

      Old one is better and more memorable, also it was done 30 years ago so the fact you compare tech is laughable. Old one also was with better performances and dialogue

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +10

      @@MrImastinker fight choreography and dialogue was bland in comparison and miles less memorable

    • @whistleblower1717
      @whistleblower1717 2 роки тому +164

      @@Henbot are u fucking kidding me. The fight choreography in the new dune is so much better. You can actually see the different moves and knife fight styles. They actually used kali a philipino martial art. Cmon ur actually so blind

  • @weeble4749
    @weeble4749 2 роки тому +7

    Ngl the 1984 shields have some real charm to them

  • @ThreeCatProductions
    @ThreeCatProductions 2 роки тому +220

    I have to admit, I love both takes on the same scene. They definitely are from different eras of film, but that isn't necessarily better, nor worse (on it's own).
    The special effects in 1984's Dune make it a little hard to see what's actually going on, but the sound effects and the acting is on point.

    • @Dark_Jaguar
      @Dark_Jaguar Рік тому +17

      I have a lot of nostalgia for the old blocky look, but they really should have cranked up the transparency. Make those blocks more of a hint than outright obscuring the characters.

    • @Fragenzeichenplatte
      @Fragenzeichenplatte 5 місяців тому +9

      I miss the internal dialogue from the old version. They added detail that make the world more Dune.

    • @johnhallow
      @johnhallow 4 місяці тому +2

      Old one is worse hands down, let's not let nostalgia blind us :P I'm not saying it's BAD, but definitely considerably worse. The blocky shapes are less realistic logically speaking (even within the bounds of suspension of disbelief) and you can barely even see what they're doing while they're fighting. The only plus is the voice distortion, which is something from the books that the new verison lacks completely

    • @emmanuelobodozie713
      @emmanuelobodozie713 3 місяці тому

      "a little"

  • @marcusanders2895
    @marcusanders2895 2 роки тому +4517

    As dated as it was in 84, this was the early stages of CGI and it still has such a warm nostalgic feeling. But after seeing the current reincarnation, I need two shots of whiskey and a hot damn to the epicness.

    • @TheBroz
      @TheBroz 2 роки тому +380

      It wasn’t CGI at all, it was animation cells drawn over the top of the live action frames. A technique that was pretty well established by then.

    • @davecrupel2817
      @davecrupel2817 2 роки тому +5

      Lmao true!

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +29

      The new one is thirty years later, and the techno for SFX is so far apart now. Unless you can find Lynch saying this was deliberate, it more than likely so blocky because it is far easier to trace blocky shapes than skin tight shapes by hand or frame by frame.

    • @MrConstantine02
      @MrConstantine02 2 роки тому +75

      Empire Strikes Back was released *four years* before this movie, and had 10x better special effects than this shit. The date is no excuse, it's just lazy effects.

    • @EkardRimidalv
      @EkardRimidalv 2 роки тому +3

      It looks bad, but it feels good to watch it

  • @daystyrfer7887
    @daystyrfer7887 2 роки тому +4838

    The 2021 does a better job of explaining how the shield actually works, and it actually comes into play, multiple times, throughout the film. The 1984 version is, however, endearing in it’s own way.

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +117

      The old one is more memorable and better in visuals minus the ships in the new one which were superior. Gurney was also much better performed by Patrick Stewart and the fact they removed his hilarious line about cattle and love play made the scene boring.

    • @benepic3101
      @benepic3101 2 роки тому +341

      @@Henbot while the old shields look cooler, they’re hell for fight choreography. Imagine the hallway fight with Duncan but using these shields. The entire screen would be one copper brick.

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +20

      @@benepic3101 Duncan last stand for me was cooler in Lynch film. Momoa though worked overall, the problem was the fight choreography in Dune 2021 was still poor frankly and though Lynch stuff can be goofy it still more memorable.

    • @benepic3101
      @benepic3101 2 роки тому +120

      @@Henbot I don’t think Duncan was in more than one scene in Dune 1984. I don’t think his death was in the film

    • @Henbot
      @Henbot 2 роки тому +2

      @@benepic3101 He is briefly in the film but I got more a mythical and legendary bad assery from him especially due to actors responding to how he managed to kill Sadukar. He was brief but still so bad ass, he just wasn’t for me in this film

  • @waltergsarts
    @waltergsarts Рік тому +20

    I like the old hand drawing effects and the energy spelled when the knife hits on the shield it's enjoyable. Nostalgic Epicness.

  • @iLikeTheUDK
    @iLikeTheUDK Рік тому +9

    I have no idea how the 1984 shields were animated but I highly appreciate the effort

  • @Lavthefox
    @Lavthefox 2 роки тому +1898

    I think we should all appreciate the fact that Captain Picard took time out of his busy schedule to let the Enterprise crew get some shore leave so he could go play with Paul Atreides and do Dune Stuff... it really goes to show his flexibility as a Star Fleet Captain.

    • @asmodiusjones9563
      @asmodiusjones9563 2 роки тому +81

      I was right now years old when I realized that Stewart did Dune 5 years BEFORE starting TNG. I have lived my entire life believing his role as Halleck was a cheap casting choice to appeal to Star Trek fans.

    • @tc556guy
      @tc556guy 2 роки тому +26

      @@asmodiusjones9563 Also Lifeforce and Excalibur, both pre-TNG movies that I saw way back then but now see those earlier movie characters as a bit odd given his later Picard and Professor X roles that have dominated his later career years

    • @Thomas-fz9xw
      @Thomas-fz9xw 2 роки тому +37

      @@asmodiusjones9563 Before TNG, Stewart was well-known for his acting in Shakespearean dramas. Given that the original film leaned heavily on the book, which was also pretty dramatic, I imagine it appealed to him.

    • @Miafunfactory
      @Miafunfactory 2 роки тому +12

      I want Patrick Stewart and Sting in the new movie...Maybe just visually in the Emperors procession...Maybe as Freman..but we need both of them in Part 2...and I know this totally breaks cannon...But IX ghola action for Duncan Idaho in part 2 please....

    • @VidkunQL
      @VidkunQL 2 роки тому +11

      Patrick Steward mentioned in a Q&A session (and perhaps elsewhere) that he was cast by mistake. The director had thought he was casting someone else for the role, and by the time they discovered the error they were already filming in Mexico and it was too late to do anything about it.
      This was part of Stewart's anecdote about meeting Sting, which is a real gem.

  • @legion5938
    @legion5938 2 роки тому +667

    "turn on your shelds"
    Turns into Minecraft charectors

    • @gamerstheater1187
      @gamerstheater1187 2 роки тому +7

      The Minecraft movie looks great

    • @sammiller6631
      @sammiller6631 2 роки тому +2

      But the old Dune movie doesn't have ROBLOX sound effects when they turn on shields

    • @gamerstheater1187
      @gamerstheater1187 2 роки тому

      @@sammiller6631 what roblox sound effect?

    • @sammiller6631
      @sammiller6631 2 роки тому +2

      @@gamerstheater1187 Dune 1984 shields would sound better with the ROBLOX "oof" sounds

    • @mousermind
      @mousermind Рік тому

      *characters

  • @Scroolewse
    @Scroolewse 3 місяці тому +6

    obviously the new CGI looks better and makes more sense than the hand drawn things we see in 1984 but dang... I think those old shields are just so cool. Limitations in movie making (also applies to video games as well) bring about some cool stuff.

  • @andrewolesen8773
    @andrewolesen8773 Рік тому +2

    Kind of want to see Brolin as a Star Trek captain now.

  • @effinjamieTT
    @effinjamieTT 2 роки тому +293

    You cut off the best line
    “If you’d fought one wit below your ability, I’d have given you a good scar to remind you!”

    • @darkhighwayman1757
      @darkhighwayman1757 2 роки тому +2

      Just like everything in that version.

    • @glensmillie5101
      @glensmillie5101 5 місяців тому +2

      Yes, they make a habit of removing and omitting original brilliance because it far outshines their own inferior handiwork. For instance, TMNT remake omitted the most important scene when remade. When LEO is meditating beneath a large old tree, he makes contact through the astral plane to Master Splinter, and at that moment Donatello manages to finally get the old truck ticking over, Raphael awakens from the coma, April O'Neil and Ice hockey dude realise what they mean to each other Michaelangelo.....hmmmmmm, hahahahaha 😅 I've kinda forgotten!
      Anyhoo, you get my point I hope!

    • @hoboguitar148
      @hoboguitar148 5 місяців тому

      ​@@glensmillie5101glen what the fuck are you talking about

    • @Jonny-uu7wf
      @Jonny-uu7wf 3 місяці тому

      @@glensmillie5101 Ngl, I have literally no idea what your point is

    • @glensmillie5101
      @glensmillie5101 3 місяці тому

      @@Jonny-uu7wf would you like to know?

  • @soyitiel
    @soyitiel 2 роки тому +237

    Fun fact: the look of the shields in 1984's Dune inspired the look of the TVA's portals in the Loki series

    • @theilluminatibenefactor
      @theilluminatibenefactor 5 місяців тому +14

      Whoa, really? I didn't know that but looking back at them now, they really do look similar

  • @Major_Beetus-ki9rw
    @Major_Beetus-ki9rw 5 місяців тому +3

    If CASE and TARS started throwing hands:

  • @Ridlay_
    @Ridlay_ Рік тому +5

    The old vfx looks so goofy but you gotta appreciate the effort.

  • @Abernathythedull
    @Abernathythedull 2 роки тому +1175

    The 2021 film portrays the shields as described in the book more accurately.

    • @atlusavalon6745
      @atlusavalon6745 2 роки тому +18

      Lies.

    • @clay8546
      @clay8546 2 роки тому +12

      Wrong

    • @atlusavalon6745
      @atlusavalon6745 2 роки тому +30

      @@WrangleMcDangle The 1984 version loved the source material, Lynch is above your head clearly, but you could tell he'd actually read the books. You can clearly tell Denis did not read the books just like Jodorowsky never read the books and gleefully admitted it openly. In the 1984 version, you could at least SEE the combat, while in this new one, the blurs made it so they specifically didn't have to have great combat, they just had to 'dance' and allow the blurs to fool the audience. The best version was the TV series anyways, so until you've seen both that and the children of dune on syfy, you don't know what you're missing. Both former editions were FAR superior to Dune 2021.

    • @TheHarkonnenScum
      @TheHarkonnenScum 2 роки тому +46

      No, it doesn't. In the book they sound more like the lynch shields and they sure as hell didn't glow blue and red like it's a video game. They do look shitty in both versions though.

    • @atlusavalon6745
      @atlusavalon6745 2 роки тому +16

      @@TheHarkonnenScum Yeah but at least with the 'jello blocks' as I call them mentally, you could SEE the action and it also made the 'slow vs fast' attacks seem more meaningful for some reason, maybe the blockyness illustrates it more like actual armor than some phasing video game bullshit. None of them get it perfectly!! I like the TV series illustration the best for the shielding and for most things actually but 84 > 2021 for sure!! by a mile!

  • @TheNerdySportsGuy
    @TheNerdySportsGuy 2 роки тому +1020

    The more I see this scene with Brolin and Chalamet the more I realize how absolutely perfect the casting was for this whole movie

    • @JordanFrgsn
      @JordanFrgsn 2 роки тому +13

      But Patrick Stewart as Gurney...

    • @culturekiller86
      @culturekiller86 Рік тому +17

      You would’ve said that no matter who was cast

    • @pseudonymousbeing987
      @pseudonymousbeing987 Рік тому +11

      ​​@@JordanFrgsnPatrick is Patrick and thus great and all. But the old movie is _so_ stilted and incapable of subtlety. Some like the theatricality, I do not. Denis' verisimilitude is to my taste.

    • @mr.wilson9941
      @mr.wilson9941 Рік тому +17

      Zendaya was an atrocious choice

    • @GoriIIaTactics
      @GoriIIaTactics Рік тому

      ​@@mr.wilson9941I don't know why they keep putting that monkey into important roles

  • @deadwalking100
    @deadwalking100 5 місяців тому

    Such a great scene. I view the various versions much like the many worlds theory and have different yet similar events. Nice cutting by the way. Many thanks.

  • @heavycritic9554
    @heavycritic9554 5 місяців тому +86

    What I think is especially funny is that, once they leave the practice fight, the 2021 version isn't as bothered about getting the shield fighting right anymore. Take a close look at Duncan's fight with the Sardaukar, and you'll see that they kind of half-ass it with the effects relative to the speed the fighters are moving.

    • @shaddaboop7998
      @shaddaboop7998 5 місяців тому +33

      Controversial opinion: the entire 2021 movie is half-assed. Villeneuve doesn't seem to care much about Dune. From the little details like you mentioned to the complete lack of understanding of Dune's core ideas. The entire thing felt to me like sanitised Holywood at its worst, sacrificing depth for maximum audience appeal. Lynch's movie is pretty bad, certainly camp and difficult to follow, but he absolutely understood what made Dune was interesting - the exoticism and opulence, but also what drove the characters, and the philosophy that Herbert was conveying with them. None of that intelligence or passion made it into the 2021 version and I think that's very very sad.

    • @JonCheadle
      @JonCheadle 5 місяців тому +16

      ​@@shaddaboop7998 Dune 2021 is all about visuals and presentation. It's like a colossal, beautiful skeleton, but lacking any meat. I understand why people like it, but I don't think it conveys any of the things I personally find interesting about Dune.

    • @NobleRaider2747
      @NobleRaider2747 5 місяців тому +38

      ​@@shaddaboop7998That's funny.... someone who's loved Dune since he was my age and wanted to make a movie of it for decades... doesn't care about it?

    • @EmperorSigismund
      @EmperorSigismund 5 місяців тому +10

      @@shaddaboop7998I just watched part II and coming away from it I'd agree. The director sanitised the script of concepts that would upset his peers in the industry and it really hurt the experience. The relation between the masculine and the feminine was a core part of the book and it's completely smoothed over for the film. There is a lot to enjoy in the new films but the script isn't one of them.

    • @shaddaboop7998
      @shaddaboop7998 5 місяців тому +8

      @@NobleRaider2747 Considering that he's completely missed the point of the book I'd argue yeah, he doesn't. You need a pretty big ego to claim you're improving one of the most iconic pieces of literature ever written. The changes he's made don't make any sense within either the original story or even his own. It's sloppy.

  • @kenny187ful
    @kenny187ful 2 роки тому +91

    When Thanos says it's time for practice, it's time for practice

  • @samuelniles3348
    @samuelniles3348 2 роки тому +153

    This feels like the closest we’ll get to Captain Picard in a lightsaber duel

  • @bladeprincess
    @bladeprincess Рік тому +2

    Soooo well done
    And well edited, poster

  • @HenshinHero13
    @HenshinHero13 2 роки тому +10

    Woah he broke through his AT field

  • @Dnielsen873
    @Dnielsen873 2 роки тому +124

    Thanos or Captain Picard would have made great trainers. Great choices for the role!

  • @DeathWishMonkey
    @DeathWishMonkey 2 роки тому +519

    The 80s visual effects people probably painted the film frame by frame to make the shield. The 2021 crew just used CGI. It's very clever that they color coded the visual dissonance: blue for the shield successfully blocking and red for a shield breach.

    • @fluffypinkpandas
      @fluffypinkpandas 2 роки тому +38

      Nnnnnn
      I mean
      The 80s one definitely used CGI

    • @nikitapakhomov5452
      @nikitapakhomov5452 2 роки тому +189

      “Just used CGI”
      Bruh
      Its not that easy as you think

    • @TurtleRocker12
      @TurtleRocker12 2 роки тому +110

      "Just used cgi" while this scene may not have been hard to animate or put effects on, cgi can be just as meticulous as hand drawing. Different steps and what not, but some effects shots still take months, and there's behind the scenes reference study and so forth.

    • @SuperNovaJinckUFO
      @SuperNovaJinckUFO 2 роки тому +29

      The 80s visual is also CGI. I'll bet it probably would have looked much better if it was hand-painted. The CGI technology just wasn't there yet

    • @beck1328
      @beck1328 2 роки тому +20

      cgi is hand painting on a digital workstation rather than a paper one. 10 mins of research would show you that it is not nearly as simple as "just used cg".

  • @renetrograde
    @renetrograde 2 роки тому +25

    i cannot believe they drew all those hitboxes in the '84 version. insane.

  • @opiateutopia
    @opiateutopia 3 місяці тому +2

    Apart from the shields, I like that the 2021 version avoided internal monologues but managed to convey the conflict in the scene. Like you can still see Paul is concerned because Gurney fights too hard and it's unusual

  • @androssteague
    @androssteague 2 роки тому +117

    In the old one the fight choreography was a little more fierce and fast-paced. The new one was aggressive but mechanical.

    • @Fragenzeichenplatte
      @Fragenzeichenplatte 5 місяців тому +3

      What does "mechanical" mean?

    • @Armameteus
      @Armameteus 5 місяців тому +6

      ​@Fragenzeichenplatte The choreography was stiff; the actors weren't able to make it look fluid and realistic. They were just going through a series of practicsed motions, but it's like they hadn't practiced enough and didn't know how to string the movements together right.

    • @Fragenzeichenplatte
      @Fragenzeichenplatte 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Armameteus The 80s is kinda stiff.
      > it's like they hadn't practiced enough and didn't know how to string the movements together right.
      How can you even know that? This is just pure assumption.

    • @Armameteus
      @Armameteus 5 місяців тому +11

      @@Fragenzeichenplatte By looking at their movements and seeing how stiff they are? It doesn't take some huge leap of logic to surmise that if they don't know how to do it properly, it's not gonna look right.

    • @efxnews4776
      @efxnews4776 5 місяців тому +13

      The old one looks like a Minecraft fight, you barely can make sense of the fighting moves, because all you can see are blocks moving around....
      It looks DUMB and STUPID!

  • @promiscuouscrab4040
    @promiscuouscrab4040 2 роки тому +242

    The original shield looks like it creates an optical distortion like looking at an object through water and it’s position being perceived differently than where it truly is. In this kind of combat that could be used to make an opponent strike where they think your vitals are, but instead miss all together while you strike back.

    • @tacomeme429
      @tacomeme429 2 роки тому +48

      That would be incredibly useful, but only if the shield-wearer was able to see clearly pass their own shields too lol

    • @promiscuouscrab4040
      @promiscuouscrab4040 2 роки тому +68

      @@tacomeme429 they’re just as confused as the enemy, whole battlefield of people stumbling around haha

    • @TheByQQ
      @TheByQQ 2 роки тому +13

      @@promiscuouscrab4040 "ok, fuck it, that's not gonna work out. Let's settle this like men, 1v1 me on Rust"

    • @Kord5
      @Kord5 5 місяців тому

      The old one might look funny, but this one would work better, just for that reason.

  • @enby_kensei
    @enby_kensei Рік тому +36

    People have commented on how the 2021 version is easier to see, and how the shield belt being mounted on the hand is more practical, but the use of Filipino martial arts makes so much sense for the setting as well. The focus on controlling your opponent's weapon and opening their defenses via manipulating joints and redirecting momentum. A sensible choice of combat style in a world where guns are obsolete.

    • @conormccue2871
      @conormccue2871 Рік тому +6

      Guns aren't obsolete in the setting. They're just so bloody dangerous no one uses them on the ground anymore.

    • @sneauxday7002
      @sneauxday7002 Рік тому

      @@conormccue2871 did you even watch or read any of the story?

    • @mathguy97
      @mathguy97 5 місяців тому +2

      @@sneauxday7002 Bruh Las-guns are a thing in Dune. What are you on about?

  • @PJMontoya
    @PJMontoya Рік тому +31

    I watched the original as a kid in theatres. Even with the more basic vfx, I find the original so much more intriguing. I actually like the blocky shield imagery

    • @leedsmanc
      @leedsmanc Рік тому +7

      I believe the appropriate youth interjection here would be "copium".

    • @NG_v1
      @NG_v1 Рік тому +5

      ​@@leedsmancor nostalgia
      Yeah I'm thinking rose tinted glasses

  • @fluffypinkpandas
    @fluffypinkpandas 2 роки тому +408

    80s shields look really bad
    But notice their smooth boxy design lends credence to how a character slides like ice across a counter top when kicked across the room. I always was fascinated by that detail. And in conversation about "which is better" nobody brings that aspect up at all.
    reason: the new version has even LESS consistancy with how the shields visually hold up to their described mechanics.
    at least in 80s dune you actually need to be pinned against something hard. the floor itself is moving too fast for his actual body to hit the ground so it glides its user across the ground on a cushion of air and a little hydroplaning sound effect is even included. in the new version I cant tell whats happening with the shields or if they are even on, as characters seem to hit or not hit depending on what ever the vfx editor decides. no choreography is all that applied in blending in elements like how the environment and the action come together in quite the same way.

    • @JiveCinema
      @JiveCinema 2 роки тому +16

      smooth boxy design 🤣

    • @fluffypinkpandas
      @fluffypinkpandas 2 роки тому +29

      @@JiveCinema lmao noooooooo AAAAAAAA i meant the ice cube across a counter physics. grrrrrrr

    • @Tiger74147
      @Tiger74147 2 роки тому +9

      You gotta have your thinking cap on to notice stuff like that.

    • @asmodiusjones9563
      @asmodiusjones9563 2 роки тому +25

      I’ve always loved that physical aspect of the shields in 1984 Dune and wish they’d kept it for 2021.
      Frankly I think the shields in 2021 don’t make sense, they’re shown getting breached multiple times but it’s not clear how, it just looks like if you hit really hard you’ll get through. This is further complicated by the fact that in 1984 they use knives, which can move slower, while in 2021 they used swords which mostly move fast. This fight from 1984 seems more consistent with the supposed technology, where both fighters use their bodies as blunt instruments to bash their opponents until they have enough advantage to slowly press the knife through the shield.

    • @Thomas-fz9xw
      @Thomas-fz9xw 2 роки тому +4

      @@asmodiusjones9563 That is definitely one of the ways I thought the new one fell flat (the other being dialog, in that they missed several classic lines by trying to keep it to _too_ simplified). I guess it doesn't translate well to the grand fights they imagined for the new version, but I still miss the focus on the individual dueling that the original really accurately translated from the book.

  • @shazzatulanam6680
    @shazzatulanam6680 2 роки тому +44

    But 'mood is a thing for cattle and love play' was such a good dialouge.

    • @ivantysyn2
      @ivantysyn2 2 роки тому +15

      Actually, the full quote is: "What has mood to do with it? You fight when the necessity arises-no matter the mood! Mood's a thing for cattle or making love or playing the baliset. It's not for fighting."
      Interestingly, 2021 Dune uses the first part of the quote, whereas the 1984 movie simplified version of the second part.

    • @uvaaren8967
      @uvaaren8967 2 роки тому +2

      @@ivantysyn2 I think the 2021 version got it right, the "you fight when the necessity arises" part is the most important in that quote, the second part is mostly a fun comparison, even tho it's well written, it doesn't really add anything to the scene, and the full quote is a bit too long for a visual adaptation of the scene.

  • @jiado6893
    @jiado6893 2 роки тому +8

    “Moods are thing for cattle and loveplay!” That line deserves to go down in history.

  • @spinyslasher6586
    @spinyslasher6586 2 роки тому +15

    Modern Dune: Invisible shield that only becomes visible when you hit it.
    1984 Dune: Minecraft Steve hitbox.

  • @aviatorjames512
    @aviatorjames512 2 роки тому +31

    Love the professional military vibe from the first one, like the graphics and shields of the new one.

  • @swampmusicinfo
    @swampmusicinfo 2 роки тому +87

    Old version (with it's obvious limitations) does have a nightmarish quality , might not even comprehend what's coming at you before being cut down. Considering it's rotoscoped and hand drawn it pushed the limits back then. Many effects of the Lynch version were hit or miss.

    • @cdrom1070
      @cdrom1070 Рік тому +11

      it makes sense to me, a solid metastable crystalized plasma barrier. Works like a shield. Has the right color for low energy plasma and the emitter is simple (its supposed to be analog electronics) The new one is some kind of warp generator projector powered by a quasar jet's enclosed in D cells (total horse shit). Makes sense in rick and morty, not for some generic military equipment lol. They can warp space time like that but they still need the guild navigators?!

    • @jamesbrice3267
      @jamesbrice3267 Рік тому +2

      @@cdrom1070 Guild Navigators are required because the navigation AI decided to join the glorious Terminator revolution.

    • @cdrom1070
      @cdrom1070 Рік тому +1

      @@jamesbrice3267 it says that basically they could not figure it out with computers and it was risky

    • @cdrom1070
      @cdrom1070 Рік тому +1

      But my point was, the power source / method of the shield working is SO RIDICULOUS that it makes it seem completely out of place in the universe, its power requirements, etc. I believe a shield that looks like a shield! Just because a GFX arrtist thinks space warping looks cool, it does not mean it makes sense in the universe!

    • @cdrom1070
      @cdrom1070 Рік тому +1

      Think about it a non newtonian plasma fluid. Like making a wall of corn starch in front of you (I imagine its like liquid crystal plasma stuff). Fast objects cause it to tense up. Slow objects go through it, and since its like spaghetti its very resistant to slashing. The old shield made sense. This one looks ludicrous. The shield in the first movie looks like a very advanced plasma window thing if you ever seen one before in a lab, with a unique form of low energy condensed plasmaish matter. The new shield looks like it came out of bugs buny. I imagine the shield generator is like a many axis phased array thing that arranges plasma matter in planes. They made it a bit too boxy in the movie, but I think its close. The new one looks like its warping space! Maybe you can call the brownorange stuff heavy largely non newtonian low energy plasma with straited lattice bonding tendancies that is kneeded out by means of a multi axis phased array.

  • @haossyn4346
    @haossyn4346 3 місяці тому +3

    Old CGI looks like 2 pissy mattresses getting into an argument

  • @notcrazy6288
    @notcrazy6288 2 роки тому +3

    These were both such great movies. Great acting, and the art in both were fantastic. I wish Frank Herbert could see them both and give us his opinion.

    • @themonsterunderyourbed9408
      @themonsterunderyourbed9408 5 місяців тому

      He'd probably hate both versions... But hate the 1984 a bit less.

    • @notcrazy6288
      @notcrazy6288 5 місяців тому

      @@themonsterunderyourbed9408 I liked the atmospherics of 1984 better. I also resented the groveling to the woke culture (Dr. Liet-Kyenes is a black female now, cuz reasons).
      That said I think the director of the newer movie, and a lot of the acting by the supporting cast, was better.

  • @parokki
    @parokki 2 роки тому +364

    Can't believe I'm saying this, but I prefer the one without Patrick Stewart.

    • @elgitarr_
      @elgitarr_ 2 роки тому +59

      brolin's gurney is a lot more of a battle-hardened soldier in my eye. stewart felt too gentlemanly for this scene in particular.

    • @funkydown
      @funkydown 2 роки тому +1

      american muscle guy is cooler than the bald nerd

    • @funkydown
      @funkydown 2 роки тому +2

      also, unlike david lynch, villeneuve can make good films

    • @ecurb10
      @ecurb10 2 роки тому

      Noooooooooo!

  • @blackman5183
    @blackman5183 2 роки тому +31

    really shows how a new hope was ahead of its time. this was made like 10 years after a new hope if i’m not mistaken.

    • @danw4237
      @danw4237 2 роки тому +14

      Star Wars - A New Hope came out in 1977, so 7 years before the first Dune film.

    • @blackman5183
      @blackman5183 2 роки тому +2

      @@danw4237 oh ok thanks for clarifying. still very impressive

    • @Antractica
      @Antractica 2 роки тому

      You are mistaken.

  • @michael_mouse
    @michael_mouse 2 роки тому +24

    0:28... when I first saw this 'Shield Practice' scene being played out in the cinema back in 1984, I couldn't believe my eyes 👀it was the most amazing special effect I'd ever seen... even today, nearly forty years on, it still amazes me how brilliantly gifted the special effect team must have been coming up with such a totally believable force field idea 😲

  • @AsianTrix
    @AsianTrix 5 місяців тому +1

    Sir Patrick with hair is the true brilliance of the film

  • @zanir2387
    @zanir2387 2 роки тому +40

    TRON called, they want their effects back...

  • @johngoodwin764
    @johngoodwin764 2 роки тому +265

    I think Brolin just out-shakespeared Patrick Stewart

    • @jtno2
      @jtno2 2 роки тому +14

      lol no

    • @streetrat48
      @streetrat48 2 роки тому +67

      @@jtno2 Definitely. His Gurney is 10x better than Stewart's.

    • @jamesmunn576
      @jamesmunn576 2 роки тому +26

      @@jtno2 except he kind of did

    • @EyesOnly88
      @EyesOnly88 2 роки тому +11

      Lol most certainly not hahaha

    • @SuperNovaJinckUFO
      @SuperNovaJinckUFO 2 роки тому +55

      It's not Patrick Stewart's fault. The writing for the '84 movie is atrocious. Basically just a collection of quotes from the book taken out of context. Plus Patrick Stewart doesn't really play the "tough guy with a soft spot" sort of character that Gurney is. He'd have been a much better Duke Leto or Emperor Corrino (maybe even Thufir Hawat)

  • @revolvertaco7493
    @revolvertaco7493 5 місяців тому +3

    The old one had better dialog.

  • @draknight5081
    @draknight5081 5 місяців тому

    Imagine how funny it would look to see lines of blocks running at each other

  • @suryamdg
    @suryamdg 2 роки тому +25

    Wow the new Minecraft live action movie looks good

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 2 роки тому +17

    "When you're dancing in meadows with dogs and kittens, this is not where fighting happens." - Syrio Forel

    • @keri___
      @keri___ 2 роки тому

      I immediately thought of Syrio too!

    • @RichardX1
      @RichardX1 5 місяців тому

      Just so

  • @Shattered3582
    @Shattered3582 Рік тому +31

    as a VFX learner, i think they did a great job with the tech they had at the time, and i love how they did their best with what they had. also the shields were edited in 2d not 3d like we do in modern days, so well done to those editors. but i do like the new one better, for a few reasons
    I love the shield designs, they seem more practical and are more of a body shield since they follow the curves of the body rather than in a box
    I think the shield activator is way more realistic than the old one since the user can seeming place it where he prefers, and it doesn't look like a receptions bell
    Also the sound design on the new one gives the shields a nice sense of power (i do know that that sound quality has gotten better and the old one did their best)
    but one think i do find the old one lacks (in this scene comparison) is the acting, the new one has the guy looking away from the weapons master while almost muttering his (i'm not in the mood) and the you can see the venom in his voice (you fight when the necessity arises now fight!) 1984 version looks a bit cheesy with him looking straight into his eyes ( we had sword practice this morning...i'm not in the mood)
    sorry that was long, i just love movie making old or new. a wonderful art told visually.

    • @cdrom1070
      @cdrom1070 Рік тому

      I see absolutely nothing realistic about the new one, but the old one looks like some kind of plasma crystalizer that can make a meta stable barrier controlled by a field in a few dimensions (i.e. a few projector axis, kind of like a gyroscopic laser level for doing home construction, available for a few hundred dollars). The new one looks like it requires a assload of power and a advanced AI to control it. Hardly a shield. They can warp space time into a blur but they still need the guild navigators... yeah right. Supposed to be analog too, not advanced image recognition AI to reshape some kind of space time warp! I assume the power requirement for that kind of tech is something like a supermassive black hole polar jet. I imagine that kind of distortion is what you would see near the event horizon of a black hole (ridiculous gravity). Defiantly not a personal shield.

    • @sarcasticstartrek7719
      @sarcasticstartrek7719 5 місяців тому

      It's just hand drawn dude, there's no "tech" involved.

    • @Shattered3582
      @Shattered3582 5 місяців тому +3

      @@sarcasticstartrek7719 i was talking about the film

  • @andta7889
    @andta7889 Місяць тому

    I can’t even see what they are doing in those boxes it’s perfect

  • @nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978
    @nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978 2 роки тому +65

    "smash was the first practice mode to show hitboxes"
    dune 1984: *wheezing*

  • @torganya
    @torganya 2 роки тому +28

    There are people who think the 1984 version of this is higher quality than the new one.

    • @user-nn5dh3cs9s
      @user-nn5dh3cs9s 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah it’s mostly people who grew up with that version so it’s nostalgic

    • @torganya
      @torganya 2 роки тому +4

      @@user-nn5dh3cs9s i grew up with that one lol. Its not.

    • @RougeDeBlah
      @RougeDeBlah Рік тому +3

      People with taste

  • @thepriorstone4064
    @thepriorstone4064 Місяць тому

    I can’t help but love the 80’s effects

  • @cutthroat795
    @cutthroat795 Рік тому +1

    I’ve never seen an effect age so horribly lmao

  • @spinzaargledhill5401
    @spinzaargledhill5401 2 роки тому +11

    That was as good as you could do back then. It tells the story.

  • @LastLamplighter
    @LastLamplighter 2 роки тому +20

    I love the animated 84 version of the shields. I saw this scene in a TV review, loved it, then read all six books and didn't actually see the movie until 10 years later 😂

  • @BdogFinal14
    @BdogFinal14 5 місяців тому

    Gotta admit, I love them both.

  • @86plful
    @86plful 5 місяців тому +2

    I really enjoyed old version which suprised me a lot. The design of shields was not because they were lazy or unable to make it look cooler but as i recall it was as portrayed in original series

  • @kaustubhdatta8162
    @kaustubhdatta8162 2 роки тому +11

    80s movie was an ambition of a different level

  • @Immallama22
    @Immallama22 2 роки тому +19

    Honestly it's *almost* a neat looking effect. It's just taken too far to the point it looks goofy.

  • @fgfanta
    @fgfanta 5 місяців тому

    Those special effects back in the days must have taken a lot of work!

  • @jopar024
    @jopar024 Рік тому +29

    Needless to say, Dune was a challenging film to make in 1984.

    • @ptassa270
      @ptassa270 Рік тому +3

      It's still a challenging film to make now!!
      It took two years and two movies to properly adapt one book.

    • @Rauruatreides
      @Rauruatreides Рік тому

      And after the 2nd book, it will only continue to get more and more difficult. At least the 3rd book has more physical parts, yet the 4th it is mostly talking with maybe 3 action scenes throughout the whole thing.

  • @kingleoxvii2463
    @kingleoxvii2463 2 роки тому +8

    Dune 1984 rocking the Atari special effects!!

  • @corwinchapman4565
    @corwinchapman4565 2 роки тому +15

    Oh, wow, I had no idea the energy shields in Perfect Dark were a reference to the original Dune. Cool!

  • @Ponlets
    @Ponlets 5 місяців тому +2

    lol Picard gonna make that boy DRINK his Earl Grey

  • @SpaceCadete101
    @SpaceCadete101 4 місяці тому

    good work

  • @pietropapaioannu4730
    @pietropapaioannu4730 2 роки тому +5

    I still prefer 1984 version of the movie, both for music and characters

  • @CrniWuk
    @CrniWuk 2 роки тому +11

    Always remember. They stoped using laser weapons because when they hit the shields they create a nuclear explosion.

    • @volodyanarchist
      @volodyanarchist 2 роки тому +5

      Except when they need to cut down a door in the new film, or cut down anything. Crossing their fingers and hoping that they won't hit a shield.
      This is the biggest blunder of the new film.

    • @lowhp_comic
      @lowhp_comic 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@volodyanarchistI was more confused why the Baron's giant spaceship was firing laser bursts on the Artreides home full of shields. IK that they are aiming to cause a LOT of destruction to end their house, yet it could have also easily nuked themselves too

    • @volodyanarchist
      @volodyanarchist 5 місяців тому +1

      @comic I hear you. But i just interpreted it as "savagery" of their attack.
      Maybe at least some explanation was due, of course. Maybe even as a side-note. Let's say one of the Baron's nephews says "But the casualties..." and Vladimir answers: "Fuck casualties, even if we lose every one of our soldiers, we can buy more with the spice later".
      ---- (edit) ---
      Thought about it some more, and even more in line with Vladimir Harkonen's character would be to add that he is planning to execute all of his soldiers anyhow, so that they cannot spread the word about what has happened. So that it remains a rumour, but nothing concrete.

  • @OS_Fullmetal
    @OS_Fullmetal Місяць тому

    I feel like the miniseries from 2000 never gets enough credit. Hardly anyone ever mentions it, and it was awesome!

  • @OrionBlitz256
    @OrionBlitz256 2 роки тому

    Gotta love the modern reverse grip because it looks cool.

  • @sarge8905
    @sarge8905 2 роки тому +51

    This is exactly what I was looking for when I saw the new trailer, thanks!

  • @MrRedfoxx1989
    @MrRedfoxx1989 2 роки тому +74

    I love the 2021 shield concept. It’s like a Bourne Film style fight with futuristic tech. Unlike Star Wars which has fancy choreography, you can see how moves would land and a killing stroke is like chess, you have to get to it and slow down. Fantastic work!

    • @Godzillakingofkaiju1
      @Godzillakingofkaiju1 9 місяців тому

      Also, the way the shields are utilized is closer to the book.

  • @davyrockett5172
    @davyrockett5172 Рік тому +9

    Imagine working so hard on that choreography and then they pretty much just paste blocks all over you lol

  • @keulron2290
    @keulron2290 5 місяців тому +1

    “Lol” said the Space Marine. “Lmao.”

  • @IAmNumber4000
    @IAmNumber4000 2 роки тому +8

    Fighting in 1984 Dune:
    bonk. bonk. … bonk.

  • @Hazzard65
    @Hazzard65 2 роки тому +69

    I like the old one for what it is. A bizarre Lynchian vision packed full of awesome set design and weird shit.
    People comparing a 1984 sci-fi film to a 2021 with regards to their special effects? What exactly is the point? Of course it's better. There's very little they could've done back then which wouldn't look shoddy in comparison and Lynch, in typical fashion, did something unique and fresh. It may or may not have been successful in terms of how it comes across in the final product, but fuck it - it's odd nature is cool and fun to see just for being so different.
    5,000,000 comments about how it resembles a video game 30 years later - fantastic.

    • @marcalvarez4890
      @marcalvarez4890 2 роки тому +11

      I MUCH prefer the 1984 version. Anyone who's done any combat sports like judo or jiujitsu will confirm that its confusing as hell, and that's what this version portrays. The visuals feel WAY more like fighting, and they're novel and weird and just wonderful.

    • @kielweiss3606
      @kielweiss3606 2 роки тому +1

      A New Hope was released in '77 w/ an $11M budget, Dune was released 7 years later and had a budget of $40M...

    • @llanfairpwlgwyngyll7331
      @llanfairpwlgwyngyll7331 2 роки тому +2

      @@marcalvarez4890 its a movie. i wanna see what's happening

    • @Hazzard65
      @Hazzard65 2 роки тому +4

      @@kielweiss3606 Well that's fantastic. The special effects of Starwars were ground breaking for their time - but even those are paltry compared to modern day visual effects.
      So cool.

    • @spawnof200
      @spawnof200 2 роки тому

      @@kielweiss3606 which effects from a new hope are you comparing to dune?

  • @Cornberry
    @Cornberry Рік тому +1

    I've never seen the older version, soooooo I was not expecting polygon shields LOL

  • @TheTomasina
    @TheTomasina 2 роки тому

    Oh lord oh dear. How far we've come.