I gotta say, I'm loving the comment section full of Very Opinionated People, all talking about how things would be "in a real fight". On a video of an exhibition match. Which, kind of by definition, isn't a real fight. Good work guys, you all look very tough.
+Louis Darilla Going to have to disagree with you there actually. Employers theses days aren't just looking for grades and qualifications. If you were competing for a job with someone who is the same as you in almost every way (qualifications and all) but they're a Kendoka, guess what: you're probably not the one getting that job. Being a part of any kind of martial art shows that you have a lot of self-discipline, focus and often confidence. It's also a bit of an insurance policy for when it's the Christmas party and somebody's pissed off the wrong person but is too drunk to notice.
Secil Nolan exactly. getting good grades is not an amazing feat. doing extra activities like martial arts and charity, volunteer work will boost your resume a very good amount
I want to thank you for speaking up. I was just skimming UA-cam and I was about bord with the first guys sparing, and I was about to click away when I read your comment and clicked over to see the last guys fighting.. Good GAUD!...that big guy was hitting so hard he was knocking down trees!
Isyraq Abu Bakar On the contrary, at least in this matchup. The naginata has an inherent advantage of having a longer reach, so the person with a shinai already has a disadvantage. Now, if you close the distance, then the shinai will trump the naginata.
Great video. I enjoy the look at mixed weapon sparring. The swordsman seems to have a much easier time closing the distance here than one might expect, then again humans are fast creatures over close distance.
+jivenesspie Essentially, sport. Same thing as in fencing, where to the naked eye, both fencers have thrusted into each other at the same time, in reality both would have lost since they would die, except 1 'wins' because his blade contacted first. The thing here was that the guy probably either did not strike a countable area, did not call them out, or used a move that is not considered legally counting, even though it might have wounded or killed the opponent in a real fight..
@@igorabdoaguilar9331 I suspect the judge was a kendo sensei, given the way he made the naginata players bow (kendo method, not naginata), so he'll be more aware of kendo strikes. As a naginata player, I felt there were a few Sune cuts that went home clean that weren't counted, but then I'm always biased for the naginata player! :)
It's fascinating how the rules completely change how the game is played. So many strikes would have certainly been deadly or at least grievous wounds if they were using real blades. The rules however dictate extreme quality of strikes and limited hit boxes so defense can be as little as moving so that you're hit somewhere other than a point zone. I will say it lends greatly to the aesthetic of the fighting. You rarely see such clean fencing in western martial arts. Most likely due to the fact that the quality of blow is rarely judged, only the making of it and almost everything is a valid target.
I recall that I read somewhere most recorded samurai duels were decided by minutes of circling followed by one stroke. Although stylized, perhaps this is not so unrealistic.
they are so worried about the scoring system and keeping in the correct stance ...its kinda painful to see the naginata guy hitting and the kendo guy just not giving a fuck because that does not score.
BlackoutKalico Beta You are very correct. The guy with the naginata should have been more forceful to prove his strikes but he would get disqualified for being violent and unsportsmanly.
BlackoutKalico Beta kendo is all about the stetics. its not just being better than your opponent, you gotta follow the rules for fighting to score in a match. it develops autodiscipline and makes a more consistent training.
It's like a "gaurd" against a grapple in standing unarmed styles like Judo, Aikido, and Jiujutsu; any shift in weight or footwork will cause subtle changes in hand, and, by extention, weapon position. By getting that close to eachother and locking weapons, they're able to feel that shift and thereby gain advance warning of an impending attack; it also hampers the opponent's movement. This is particularly advantageous for the Katana weilder, as it keeps him inside the Naginata's longer reach
I'm not an expert at this, but the rules seem to favor the kendo practitioners. Points only count from the tip to the white part, so they only need to move forward to cancel the reach advantage. Hitting someone with the bottom or middle of your weapon won't count as points, although in real life that can bludgeon a person hard. This is sport, not battle, so the sword users won't die if they get hit in a way that won't count as points. From what I understand, spears like the naginata had more of the advantage on the field, especially on horseback. This is close combat with sports rules so sword users get an advantage. Well, these are observations from a beginner, I bet experts can find ways even with all of life's disadvantages stacked against them.
Kyle Pandapatan well 1 the naginata is not a spear, it’s a Japanese pole arm, and 2 there were plenty of clean sweeps and hits with the blade part of the naginata, my guess is that they must have just thought there wasn’t enough force in those strikes to call it a point, even though in their own dojo or wherever they practice they probably would have called them points
thats because the strike points are designed for the shinai (sword) the only points that count are the men(head) kote (hands) do (side of chest) and tsuki (throat) the naginata is only really good for hitting the throat in that situation but its easily deflected by the shinai
Everytime I check these kind of videos, I see comments about people crying about ''This is not realistic'' ''Real battles were nothing like this''. It's a sport, and it is not supposed to be alike to real battle...most of the armed martial arts derived from techniques, but are changed today in order to apply them as pure sports. It is not supposed to be reconstitution, it is supposed to be a sport, pure and simple. One such exemple that I know of is Iaido. It was called Iaidojutsu back in the days, but was changed to Iaido when they made it a sport, because it changed. That is the case for most martial arts, so I fail to see why people still find it in themselves to complain?
@@Chownz This is a rough Google translation of what they said, I hope it helps? - "I do care. Were you able to return or did the pandemic prevent it?" I also want to say that I totally relate to your comment, ignore the unnecessary hate from those other comments. Anyways, it's been years because of the pandemic and I hope to return to my dojo one day too :)
My medical condition. Serious lack of energy and stamina!! Followed by mobility issues 😢 Otherwise I'll still continue the discipline, really loved the martial arts and ideology behind kendo
I come bsck to this video every now and then, and given youtube (and recording software) allows us to, not only watch at 0.25x speed, but also record and replay frame by frame, the last 2 frames of 1:53 and first frame of 1:54 you see the end of the naginata bend. It's a point for White, they just didn't call it. I don't know how scoring works, but given the reverse has happened, Black has always gotten the point. It's just frustrating to keep seeing this occur in different events across Japan.
I get very excited watching this! A wonderful showing of martial arts that just brightened my very early morning. Or is it a late night? You tell me, it's 12:30
i don't know if they were supposed to stand in grapple range at the end (it says exhibition in the title), but the naginataka (if that'S waht you call the fighters) did really not make good use of their reach advantage ...
Prob one of a handful of kendo exhib videos I really liked. The first kendoka I thought did very well at misdirecting the naginata closiing space and countering very fast and accurate. Thx for sharing
In Kendo you have to be very specific where you hit and how you hit for the point to count. The Naginata's strikes were certainly deadly in a real fight but for the sport, it doesn't count as a point.
+Adikshith Ojha It's known as kiai, which is essentially a battle cry. Naginata and kendo are in essence martial arts which require spirit, and mental awareness as well as physical readiness. The Kiai (yelling) is part of the mental awareness and also serves as intimidation for your opponent. Plus, as mentioned below, once you hit the part, you yell it to show the judges that you think you scored a point.
+READComment1 I dont know about this,but for the purposes of most Japanese martial arts, the "shouts" are Kiai and serve a couple different purposes: Contracts the diaphragm and chest which can allow you to take a hit better. Puts extra "energy" behind the strike as it causes you to focus on the moment of impact. Shows "spirit" when in competition. Shows where strong strikes would be during kata. Can catch opponents off guard if they are anticipating it or don't know what to expect. Depending upon the situation they can also act as a battle cry in some ways but I haven't heard that explanation for them given at the dojo. in goju-ryu karate our sensei explained that it also allows him to be sure you are breathing, as a fair number of people when starting out seem to have trouble remembering to breathe throughout a technique,we also does this in taek won do as well
alex febrianoo All excellent points! Yes, a kiai can help add energy behind a strike. This requires training though, as many beginners will yell for the sake of kiai, so the strike and kiai end up being separate. Experimenting with different yells to find your "characteristic" one that is most "in sync" with your body movements during a strike takes time. It usually requires testing out different kiai sounds, pitch, etc...
well in karate, my sensei used to teach us we have to yelling (kiai) to put extra energy in every move(also break down the mental's opponent). but i can't do that so out loud lol
I really wish that the Naginata user would take more advantage of the weapon's range. He could be keeping serious distance between himself the Kendo guy, he has all the room in the world to do so. I know it's an exhibition and that these sports are more focused on form than practicality, but in reality the polearm user would dominate almost every time. Weapon has range, use it.
Those are exactly my thoughts. I don't know the naginata match rules but I watched other matches and it looks like that is not valid to pierce, or at least looks like they don't do it, It's a shame because with all that range the naginata user could hit his/her opponent from very afar. Maybe some naginata expert could tell us. I do not favor any weapon, I believe there is no superior weapon, it's the user the one who is better than the others, not the weapon.
Hey dudes I made this long thing with a blade at the end. Oh how are you gonna use the length? Oh I think I'll just get as close as possible after the first strike.
I have absolutely no clue what the fuck is going on right now but at 2 in the morning on break because of the coronavirus, I am not surprised I ended up on this side of youtube.
im not an expert in that so i ask why they stand Hand on Hand and weapon on weapon right next to each other without doing anything and why does the Girl with naginata jump in the air when whe makes bigger attacks ?
What I never get about these displays is why the Naginata keeps getting used to make sweeping cuts, even out of the bind. You would never do that against a sword as it breaks your threat and allows them to close range. The big guy kept it much tighter though, would hesitate to try moving in on him.
RedHerald It's because those types of strikes would be lethal. If you strike someone in the legs, not only are they bleeding to death, they can't move, so you can stab them from a good range for a spear, and it just leaves you with the responsibility of knocking them down to stab them.
In Kendo, just touching the opponent with the shinai is not point. A full description would take up too much space, but basically, you have to hit the right areas of the armor, the hit must show the proper spirit (show that you meant hit that spot, on purpose. No accidents in Kendo) with the right part of the shinai, with the right posture and follow through. The reason for the difficulty of getting a point is that a point is meant to represent a blow that will penetrate armor and kill the opponent in one strike.
weapons & Fighting Techniques of the Samurai Warrior 1200-1877 AD by Thomas D. Conlan (2000) Please read this book. The heavy blow by monouchi of katana could cancel a defense power of enemy's armor. It is such if an actual person's killed in war ashes are investigated. The standard of ippon of kendo or naginatn is the attack which can cancel enemy's armor and can give an enemy a mortal wound.
You mean nito (two swords) vs itto (single sword). Nito and Itto have a lot of similarities, because eventually you are using a sword. Naginata however is a different weapon and a different martial art. However, the rules are similar to kendo, so engagement is possible
I would expect the Naginata players to go for the shins more often - probably the best way to catch a Kendo player off guard. Context: In Naginata, the shins are a valid strike zone, while in Kendo they aren't, so naturally Kendokas don't really know how to protect them.
That wasn't considered a hit because every time you hit you have to follow through meaning hit the opponent ad pass him turn around and maintain posture at all times show that you are in control of the battle:)
shitosusansen please then delight me with your wisdom and tell me why was it a hit or not? I pointed out just a few or some basic things needed to accomplish a good hit.
spartacusbr1 I'm saying that I dislike the way the rules are set up. That's why I said "I'm calling bull on these RULES". One could argue that it's just a sport, but yelling out your attacks while hoping that the opponent doesn't dodge them seems a bit ridiculous.
The reason they do that is because they want to break each other's concentration giving them a chance to get a clean hit and show you are in control of the battle
valkaek The thing to remember about these sports is that they are sports. This results in there being certain practices that must be followed. In kendo the center must be taken, seme, and one may not attack without these. Neither of these is an actual self defense sport, just a sport. To ask that is like asking why offside is a thing in ball sports. Note this is not meant to be offensive, merely informative. If it is offensive to you then I am sorry.
BloodofPatriots I would personally choose the naginata but the katana does have the edge in durability since the naginata has a wooden handle that the katana could easily cut up close, but then again the naginata (normally) has a heavier blade so going blade to blade the naginata is the stronger weapon. I used to fight in period fighting tournaments and I personally always chose the pole arms (halberd) for the extra reach and momentum, the trick is learning to use both ends and even the shaft to keep the opponent off balance.
Jared Thibodaux Some naginata's actually used a "recycled" katana blade. So imagine a samurai trying to even get close enough to cut that wooden pole with a katana when there's a blade of equal length sticking out of the end. I trained with the staff for a while and my favorite target was the ankle. I'm sure you know why since you did period fighting.
comandosespeciales Range. A naginata can kill from three times the range of a katana. The most effective technique is to sweep the legs then slash back and forth. The katana is on defense the entire time because it can't even touch the holder of the naginata.
+Tenacious B If the judge knew how naginatas even work, naginata guy would have one, he hit two perfect tsunes (leg attacks) that were unquestionably ippons, but he completely ignored both on his ignorance about what he was judging, and officially the other dude won.
I kinda feel like the scoring weren't made completely clear or maybe the first Naginata user just weren't too experienced in sparing, it seemed like she thought the fight was over like 2 or 3 times when she had hit her opponent.
This match takes place in America. Naginata (the spear art) is quite rare, but many large cities and Universities have Kendo clubs. Google the name of your community and Kendo and you might find something.
shitosusansen No one else called bullshit because it says in the description the event takes place in Irvine, as in Irvine California. You can google Butokuden, Irvine is you don't believe me.
shitosusansen I thought you had to mean location because there are a lot of comments (made by people who have no idea what they are talking about, by the way) that question the validity Kendo and Naginata. A full explanation would take too long, but basically this is supposed to simulate two warriors in armor. Strikes must be made with the right part of the weapon, against the correct target, with the correct spirit and intensity. The idea is that if the strike doesn't have the correct spirit and intensity, it won't penetrate the armor. Remember, this is not meant to be watched and enjoyed by interested laymen. It takes several years of training to really understand how points are awarded.
I think the scoring system needs some work here, or at least in that particular match, for there were times when the guy with the pole axe (I know that's not exactly accurate) was hitting the guy with the sword and yet the judge did not notice. Perhaps electronic scoring would do better.
the kendoka can only charge into the naginataka because this is sports. if it comes to real battle one cannot blindly charge into enemy zone of control without minding one's own life. but put this thing aside, the video is quite interesting. i also want to see some gedan kendo stance duels.
If you like, I will explain the logic and theory behind Kendo scoring. Why we believe Kendo is good practice for a real fight with blades. It is kind of long so I will not write it unless it is desired.
professorbland You must understand a few things first. Japanese sword arts are based on the one hit kill idea, and Kendo is training to fight people in armor, so the idea is to get a hit that will kill an armored opponent in one strike. So we focus on targets where the armor is vulnerable. The wrists, throat, head and sides of the body. I can't explain everything but for example, Samurai wore extra armor over their thighs and upper arms so we don't attack them in Kendo. So got get a kill through armor the old master believed that you needed to hit with need good power, good form (holding the sword properly and standing up straight to properly deliever that power), you have to hit with right part of the sword. A Kendo hit will only be a point if you hit with the area of the Shinai above the leather band 3/4's up the blade. This is where the sword will have the most power. The last thing is that you need to show a clear intention to hit where you sword hits. No accidents. You have yell the name of the target as you hit, and then follow through to show that you know you made a hit. If you don't have these elements, the judges won't give you a point. This reply is already pretty long but, look up Samurai spirit Kendo on youtube for more information about this. I would also be happy to answer anymore of your questions.
I feel the spear user wasn't offensive enough. I'm sure you're suppose to be focusing on counter attacking for maximum effectiveness, but she/he isn't using that optimal range. That and the katana guy goin' in so ham, gotta love that shit
If they didn't have the rules, the Naginata would win every time. Pole arms are VASTLY superior to swords in combat. This is a fact. Not only is it harder and takes longer to train a swordsmen, but they aren't as effective on the battlefield.
***** There's a reason spears were used on battlefields far more often than swords. They have greater reach, greater killing potential, and they are easier to use/train. Swords were the TERTIARY weapon of medieval combat (for both Europe and Japan) - the spear and the bow both came before the sword, as they have more reach and are therefor superior, in the same way guns, with their greater reach, are superior to spears and swords. As you have stated, in towns etc, nobles/knights would carry swords, but that was more to show their status and to duel each other. When wartime comes, it's all spears. Also, "slapping your polearm away" with a shield is really not as easy as you seem to be saying. Even if you were to deflect a stab attempt, a spear man can just as quickly reset his stance as a swordsman. If you want to test it, take a stick and a piece of wood to use as a sword/shield, and have a friend take a 3-4 meter long stick to use as a spear, and try to close the distance and stab him before he can stab you. You will find that it's VERY difficult to fight off a spear with a sword, even if you have a shield. spears are not slow at all. These things aren't opinions - war strategy books, weapon manuals etc. of the time stressed spear use in battle over sword use.
+Regal Render and so what about when swords could cut down the pole arms and take away all range of the weapon, fight better in a cramped battlefield AND was the weapon of choice for the legendary Miyamoto Musashi
+Regal Render well of course, a line of spearmen could never be broken by swordsmen, though the sword was more of a "last resort" option, i think you relied on your archers, cavalry and spearmen infantry mostly, though in close encounters like castles you had an advantage with sword, you could easily hide your sword behind you and feint your enemy, theres a few kata with interesting techniques for that
Swords, like the longswords of the west and katana and its accompaniment the wakizashi or tanto, are sidearms. Things you can carry on your side. Were you beset by bandits or assassins, you are more likely to have your sidearm with you, given that you can carry it with you at all times on your side, like a handgun. Likewise, your bandit or assassin probably would have a sword with him too, unless he's too poor, had a stealth advantage with a knife instead or had a weapon stashed nearby. Now, a spear, would be akin to a rifle. It's not rocket science that a rifle beats a handgun in accuracy and range. But if you weren't expecting to be going to war at any moment, would you rather carry a rifle that weighs minimum 3kg or a handgun that weighs 500g? And all that bulk too? And the fact that there is no such thing as a rifle holster (slings don't count, you can't sling a spear anyway)? Also same thing, it takes much more training to use a handgun effectively than a rifle, but nobles and samurai had an awful lot of spare time since they didn't have farms to tend to so it doesn't really matter anyway. And also swords are as much weapon as badges of office in some cases. But I am with you in that the naginata would probably win most of the time.
The beginning where the Kendo guy went into sonkyo position and the Naginata fella just sorta bent not knowing what was goin' on had me laughing. Also, that one reason to learn how to use Gedan no kamae lol
I think they only count some point on the amor, that why there are "win" or "lose" .__. If this was a real combat, no one would be " in one piece" .__. their weapon touch their body alot, and that means "bleeding till dead"
Owen Bunny When I said "if this was a real combat" I mean there would be no protections, like when you walk out-door and from nowhere, a guy with that thing attack you and you have a sword from nowhere( any sword, don't have to be katana, a noidachi maybe?) so you begin to defend then strike back .____. no protections there .__. but maybe you have a amor from nowhere? .__. I don't know
+Kalmon salmon In the U.S. finding a Naginata school may be very difficult. I spent a few minutes looking around on google for one in my state and it seems there is only one here. So in the US its probably very unlikely that there would be cross training. When I was doing Kendo I had never seen any naginataka come in. We would get other kendoka from other schools come in, that is somewhat common. Perhaps in Japan its more common. I wouldn't mind cross training with naginata.
+Kalmon salmon It's more common for them to face off against each other in Japan, where Naginata is mostly practiced by females. They tend to have female Naginata teams play against male Kendo teams. There's quite a few videos of the shiai on youtube, they're interesting matches. Naginata is still quite rare outside of Japan, which is a shame.
I gotta say, I'm loving the comment section full of Very Opinionated People, all talking about how things would be "in a real fight". On a video of an exhibition match. Which, kind of by definition, isn't a real fight. Good work guys, you all look very tough.
Louis Darilla You went to one of those schools where everyone got an A for contributing, didn't you?
your life is a gimmick
+Louis Darilla yeah sure, knowing that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell sure helped me become an accountant, thanks school.
+Louis Darilla
Going to have to disagree with you there actually. Employers theses days aren't just looking for grades and qualifications. If you were competing for a job with someone who is the same as you in almost every way (qualifications and all) but they're a Kendoka, guess what: you're probably not the one getting that job. Being a part of any kind of martial art shows that you have a lot of self-discipline, focus and often confidence. It's also a bit of an insurance policy for when it's the Christmas party and somebody's pissed off the wrong person but is too drunk to notice.
Secil Nolan exactly. getting good grades is not an amazing feat. doing extra activities like martial arts and charity, volunteer work will boost your resume a very good amount
The big guy with the turquoise dō at the end is the Final Boss of Naginata.You don't get the real ending unless you beat him.
I want to thank you for speaking up.
I was just skimming UA-cam and I was about bord with the first guys sparing, and I was about to click away when I read your comment and clicked over to see the last guys fighting..
Good GAUD!...that big guy was hitting so hard he was knocking down trees!
Weapon triangle was a lie
lol
Isyraq Abu Bakar On the contrary, at least in this matchup.
The naginata has an inherent advantage of having a longer reach, so the person with a shinai already has a disadvantage. Now, if you close the distance, then the shinai will trump the naginata.
Are you talking about cavalry > swords > spears > cavalry?
Joseph Park It's a feature from the Fire emblem games.
It is Swords > Axes > Spears > Swords.
finalbossd i'm sure that joseph park was referring to shogun 2 total war game, bocz thats how it is in the game. XD
Great video. I enjoy the look at mixed weapon sparring. The swordsman seems to have a much easier time closing the distance here than one might expect, then again humans are fast creatures over close distance.
I think it is because the kendoka likely has more sparring time under his belt.
And it's not a real life situation so the threat of getting hit is not, therefore he can be more reckless
In my opinion, the best way to deal with someone who has a greater range than you is to close in.
@@michaeljosephdimaano2802 The problem is getting close in itself
Watch the 3 swords vs 1 spear match. That was amazing watching them move
I see a lot of Naginata thrusts to the neck and feet sweeps, but seems like they don't count. What's the deal with that?
+jivenesspie Essentially, sport. Same thing as in fencing, where to the naked eye, both fencers have thrusted into each other at the same time, in reality both would have lost since they would die, except 1 'wins' because his blade contacted first. The thing here was that the guy probably either did not strike a countable area, did not call them out, or used a move that is not considered legally counting, even though it might have wounded or killed the opponent in a real fight..
@@SniperAngle12 bit there are several instances of a decent cut for naginata that just dont count o.0
@@igorabdoaguilar9331 I suspect the judge was a kendo sensei, given the way he made the naginata players bow (kendo method, not naginata), so he'll be more aware of kendo strikes. As a naginata player, I felt there were a few Sune cuts that went home clean that weren't counted, but then I'm always biased for the naginata player! :)
Kendo looks quite good in the Naginata leg armour
It's fascinating how the rules completely change how the game is played. So many strikes would have certainly been deadly or at least grievous wounds if they were using real blades. The rules however dictate extreme quality of strikes and limited hit boxes so defense can be as little as moving so that you're hit somewhere other than a point zone. I will say it lends greatly to the aesthetic of the fighting. You rarely see such clean fencing in western martial arts. Most likely due to the fact that the quality of blow is rarely judged, only the making of it and almost everything is a valid target.
I recall that I read somewhere most recorded samurai duels were decided by minutes of circling followed by one stroke. Although stylized, perhaps this is not so unrealistic.
they are so worried about the scoring system and keeping in the correct stance ...its kinda painful to see the naginata guy hitting and the kendo guy just not giving a fuck because that does not score.
BlackoutKalico Beta What do you mean? Whenever he gets hit he must play dead? What the fuck?
BlackoutKalico Beta You are very correct. The guy with the naginata should have been more forceful to prove his strikes but he would get disqualified for being violent and unsportsmanly.
rafhalimaxd haha yes exactly, he must play dead and burst into flames
BlackoutKalico Beta kendo is all about the stetics. its not just being better than your opponent, you gotta follow the rules for fighting to score in a match. it develops autodiscipline and makes a more consistent training.
Mngalahad yea i know...but i just dont like it XD
It's like a "gaurd" against a grapple in standing unarmed styles like Judo, Aikido, and Jiujutsu; any shift in weight or footwork will cause subtle changes in hand, and, by extention, weapon position. By getting that close to eachother and locking weapons, they're able to feel that shift and thereby gain advance warning of an impending attack; it also hampers the opponent's movement. This is particularly advantageous for the Katana weilder, as it keeps him inside the Naginata's longer reach
I'm calling it now, I felt there was a bias against the naginata wielders --_--
I'm not an expert at this, but the rules seem to favor the kendo practitioners. Points only count from the tip to the white part, so they only need to move forward to cancel the reach advantage. Hitting someone with the bottom or middle of your weapon won't count as points, although in real life that can bludgeon a person hard.
This is sport, not battle, so the sword users won't die if they get hit in a way that won't count as points. From what I understand, spears like the naginata had more of the advantage on the field, especially on horseback. This is close combat with sports rules so sword users get an advantage.
Well, these are observations from a beginner, I bet experts can find ways even with all of life's disadvantages stacked against them.
Kyle Pandapatan well 1 the naginata is not a spear, it’s a Japanese pole arm, and 2 there were plenty of clean sweeps and hits with the blade part of the naginata, my guess is that they must have just thought there wasn’t enough force in those strikes to call it a point, even though in their own dojo or wherever they practice they probably would have called them points
I thought that as well, particularly in the second fight.
thats because the strike points are designed for the shinai (sword) the only points that count are the men(head) kote (hands) do (side of chest) and tsuki (throat) the naginata is only really good for hitting the throat in that situation but its easily deflected by the shinai
looks like so much fun. Im contemplating joining a local club to try it out
Everytime I check these kind of videos, I see comments about people crying about ''This is not realistic'' ''Real battles were nothing like this''. It's a sport, and it is not supposed to be alike to real battle...most of the armed martial arts derived from techniques, but are changed today in order to apply them as pure sports. It is not supposed to be reconstitution, it is supposed to be a sport, pure and simple. One such exemple that I know of is Iaido. It was called Iaidojutsu back in the days, but was changed to Iaido when they made it a sport, because it changed. That is the case for most martial arts, so I fail to see why people still find it in themselves to complain?
I miss attending Kendo at my local dojo..... One day I shall return...
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Pervy_Sage who care
A mí sí me importa. ¿Pudiste volver ó la pandemia lo impidió?
@@jluistl apologies, I don't understand your language. sorry
@@Chownz This is a rough Google translation of what they said, I hope it helps? -
"I do care. Were you able to return or did the pandemic prevent it?"
I also want to say that I totally relate to your comment, ignore the unnecessary hate from those other comments. Anyways, it's been years because of the pandemic and I hope to return to my dojo one day too :)
kendo: the way Asians prepare for the zombie apocalypse
YUP
lol
haha true
Mindboggler123 yupe your right 😝😝😝😝
Not exactly.
My medical condition. Serious lack of energy and stamina!! Followed by mobility issues 😢 Otherwise I'll still continue the discipline, really loved the martial arts and ideology behind kendo
am i the ONLY ONE who hears that fucking beeping?
No you are not onlusten one
photographers had some hard time focusing their cameras
Nope it annoyed me
interesting would love to know how the scorring works
I come bsck to this video every now and then, and given youtube (and recording software) allows us to, not only watch at 0.25x speed, but also record and replay frame by frame, the last 2 frames of 1:53 and first frame of 1:54 you see the end of the naginata bend. It's a point for White, they just didn't call it. I don't know how scoring works, but given the reverse has happened, Black has always gotten the point. It's just frustrating to keep seeing this occur in different events across Japan.
This video is the reason why I can't get enough of UA-cam
I get very excited watching this! A wonderful showing of martial arts that just brightened my very early morning. Or is it a late night? You tell me, it's 12:30
Sorry for the shaky cam at 0:49
nobushi vs orochi :O
Nobushi would win.
MrLazyHog every time
Lmao, I was actually thinking bout nobushi and was like. "I gotta see a naginata irl."
You can actually get one off amazon it's pretty cool
If Nobushi could be male I'd want it to be built like Saxton.
i don't know if they were supposed to stand in grapple range at the end (it says exhibition in the title), but the naginataka (if that'S waht you call the fighters) did really not make good use of their reach advantage ...
this crowd is kind of silent
if i was there i would be like
"HOLY SHIIT DID YOU SEE THAT !!!, IN THE FRIKING HEADD!!!"
. It’s a sign of respect.
Yeah, it's even automatic lose if you celebrate after you score a point.
Prob one of a handful of kendo exhib videos I really liked. The first kendoka I thought did very well at misdirecting the naginata closiing space and countering very fast and accurate. Thx for sharing
Well. I am surprised at the kendo's effectiveness.
Well played.
Not sure how the scoring works but this is fantastic to watch. The respect they show each other and the discipline they both have is remarkable.
In Kendo you have to be very specific where you hit and how you hit for the point to count. The Naginata's strikes were certainly deadly in a real fight but for the sport, it doesn't count as a point.
Can someone explain to me why there is so much screaming and why are they having staring competitions every 10 seconds?
+MSmart19 why is that?
+Adikshith Ojha It's known as kiai, which is essentially a battle cry. Naginata and kendo are in essence martial arts which require spirit, and mental awareness as well as physical readiness. The Kiai (yelling) is part of the mental awareness and also serves as intimidation for your opponent. Plus, as mentioned below, once you hit the part, you yell it to show the judges that you think you scored a point.
+READComment1 I dont know about this,but for the purposes of most Japanese martial arts, the "shouts" are Kiai and serve a couple different purposes:
Contracts the diaphragm and chest which can allow you to take a hit better.
Puts extra "energy" behind the strike as it causes you to focus on the moment of impact.
Shows "spirit" when in competition.
Shows where strong strikes would be during kata.
Can catch opponents off guard if they are anticipating it or don't know what to expect.
Depending upon the situation they can also act as a battle cry in some ways but I haven't heard that explanation for them given at the dojo.
in goju-ryu karate our sensei explained that it also allows him to be sure you are breathing, as a fair number of people when starting out seem to have trouble remembering to breathe throughout a technique,we also does this in taek won do as well
alex febrianoo All excellent points! Yes, a kiai can help add energy behind a strike. This requires training though, as many beginners will yell for the sake of kiai, so the strike and kiai end up being separate. Experimenting with different yells to find your "characteristic" one that is most "in sync" with your body movements during a strike takes time. It usually requires testing out different kiai sounds, pitch, etc...
well in karate, my sensei used to teach us we have to yelling (kiai) to put extra energy in every move(also break down the mental's opponent). but i can't do that so out loud lol
How about kendo vs arnis double sticks/blade or nagitana vs arnis double sticks/blade
It's like a language with it's own rhythm, speed, timing. Then the opening
presents itself that you must take advantage of.
Realistically you'd think the Naginata would be more practical for range, but the swordsmen are all fearless going in for the attack.
I really wish that the Naginata user would take more advantage of the weapon's range. He could be keeping serious distance between himself the Kendo guy, he has all the room in the world to do so. I know it's an exhibition and that these sports are more focused on form than practicality, but in reality the polearm user would dominate almost every time. Weapon has range, use it.
Those are exactly my thoughts. I don't know the naginata match rules but I watched other matches and it looks like that is not valid to pierce, or at least looks like they don't do it, It's a shame because with all that range the naginata user could hit his/her opponent from very afar. Maybe some naginata expert could tell us. I do not favor any weapon, I believe there is no superior weapon, it's the user the one who is better than the others, not the weapon.
@@lobo6210The Naginata was not a great piercer as it was not a traditional spear. Instead being based around slashes.
Can some who knows about this sport/martial art explain to me who won and why? I'm confused as I saw a lot of hits land but were not registered.
I dunno bro... I am wondering the same thing 🤷♂
Why are the Naginata dudes and girls always hitting the legs, though?
Kendo ppl aren’t used to getting hit in the legs
9:01 that scream
‘Tis a cry that may strike fear into the hearts of hundreds
a big black man in kendo suit with a naginata. thats the coolest thing ive ever seen. i must show this to my black brothers in the US.
Hey dudes I made this long thing with a blade at the end. Oh how are you gonna use the length? Oh I think I'll just get as close as possible after the first strike.
Hey dudes, I have no understanding whatsoever of the japanese kendo or naginata. But I think I'll give it sarcastic comments all the same.
Well, Technically if this where in a real fight situation, Naginata actually has an advantage because there’s no rules to follow.
how to consider score in naginata?
It's quite simple
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. You dont :D
No jk idk qwq I forgot
As a Shogun 2 veteran, I’m surprised that the Naginata Samurai seemed to be winning more against the Katana Samurai in a 1v1
Amazing blocks, on both sides!
I have absolutely no clue what the fuck is going on right now but at 2 in the morning on break because of the coronavirus, I am not surprised I ended up on this side of youtube.
What the hell!?!? I come to his dojo kinda often. Where was I when this happened
git gud
+Facefish what the f does "git good" have to do with his comment at all?
finally some sense...
Beta Factor
How did i post that on here? WTF
This question confused me...
Not really familiar with Naginata but I felt that the last sune from the Naginata player should have been counted.
who is won
Gosh.. It's the hardest to block with the Shinai a Do or a hit to the legs
I love the "Anime stare down" after every strike
Why's the guy with the naginata not trying to keep his range?
girl with the naginata*
Im starting to think all this is about is whether you yell when landing a killing blow.
Please explane, Naginata Can only Chopping blows, not pricked?
The kendoka seem to be higher rank than the naginataka, judging from their movement. .. am I right?
Nope
im not an expert in that so i ask why they stand Hand on Hand and weapon on weapon right next to each other without doing anything and why does the Girl with naginata jump in the air when whe makes bigger attacks ?
Kao da 2 borca idu preblizu jedan drugome i na taj nacin "guse" slobodnu borbu?
Orochi vs Nobushi?
The scoring doesn't make much sense. Lot of inside the guard attacks that go unscored.
And I have fictional characters that fight with BOTH of these!
I join kendo but I don't know the one with the long stick but they hit slower than kendo
ask your sensei about naginata
It even looks like the visible judge gives the point to red than changes to white.
Every battle is unpredictable. Nothing is superior.
What I never get about these displays is why the Naginata keeps getting used to make sweeping cuts, even out of the bind. You would never do that against a sword as it breaks your threat and allows them to close range. The big guy kept it much tighter though, would hesitate to try moving in on him.
RedHerald It's because those types of strikes would be lethal. If you strike someone in the legs, not only are they bleeding to death, they can't move, so you can stab them from a good range for a spear, and it just leaves you with the responsibility of knocking them down to stab them.
I don't understand what constitutes a win - there are plenty of times in these fights when they've hit the opponents head but ignored it.
In Kendo, just touching the opponent with the shinai is not point. A full description would take up too much space, but basically, you have to hit the right areas of the armor, the hit must show the proper spirit (show that you meant hit that spot, on purpose. No accidents in Kendo) with the right part of the shinai, with the right posture and follow through. The reason for the difficulty of getting a point is that a point is meant to represent a blow that will penetrate armor and kill the opponent in one strike.
OK, that makes sense, most of the times I was talking about the shinai was just resting on their heads. Thanks.
weapons & Fighting Techniques of the Samurai Warrior 1200-1877 AD by Thomas D. Conlan (2000)
Please read this book.
The heavy blow by monouchi of katana could cancel a defense power of enemy's armor. It is such if an actual person's killed in war ashes are investigated.
The standard of ippon of kendo or naginatn is the attack which can cancel enemy's armor and can give an enemy a mortal wound.
yamashisho
日本の方ですか？ポストの意味がよく分かりません。日本語で書いてくれれば翻訳しますよ。
紹介した本に、鎌倉幕府が滅亡した時の戦死者の遺骨の調査について書かれています。
それによると、兜は刀による攻撃を防げていません。複数回数刀により頭蓋骨を叩き割られている遺骨もあります。もう1つ、腕、おそらく前腕の傷と足の傷も多かった。つまり、剣道でいうところの面と籠手はよく使われた攻撃なわけです。
あと、中国の明が採用した陰流が今の中国でも継承されていますが、彼らのルールでは脛も有効打ですね。なぜか剣道ではある時点から禁止技になったようですが。
and who are you to judge?
okay real serious question for people who know
what sword is the kendo supposed to simulate and if I'm missing something please tell me
is this a common thing to see? I've heard about nito-ryu kendo versus chudan, but never seen this
You mean nito (two swords) vs itto (single sword). Nito and Itto have a lot of similarities, because eventually you are using a sword.
Naginata however is a different weapon and a different martial art.
However, the rules are similar to kendo, so engagement is possible
When does the head strikes count and when does it not?
2:57 - 3:36 is great! Loved it.
Samurai shodown?
I would expect the Naginata players to go for the shins more often - probably the best way to catch a Kendo player off guard.
Context: In Naginata, the shins are a valid strike zone, while in Kendo they aren't, so naturally Kendokas don't really know how to protect them.
3:23 did je just yell MUDA or have I been watching too much jojo
Naginta Naginta love my Naginta
Armando Murillo Then maybe you shouldn't misspell it
That joke went so far over your head Hayden...
Naginta Please!
I love my Shinai , I'm just going to put this out there
That's what he meant-a!
6:47 why wasn't that considered a clear hit?
That wasn't considered a hit because every time you hit you have to follow through meaning hit the opponent ad pass him turn around and maintain posture at all times show that you are in control of the battle:)
spartacusbr1 I'm calling bull on these rules.
shitosusansen please then delight me with your wisdom and tell me why was it a hit or not? I pointed out just a few or some basic things needed to accomplish a good hit.
PeterKJ15 Oh, now I noticed he hit with the middle of the shinai. Thanks for enlightening me, mate
spartacusbr1 I'm saying that I dislike the way the rules are set up. That's why I said "I'm calling bull on these RULES". One could argue that it's just a sport, but yelling out your attacks while hoping that the opponent doesn't dodge them seems a bit ridiculous.
The only thing I don't get is when they get up close and stare at each other.
The reason they do that is because they want to break each other's concentration giving them a chance to get a clean hit and show you are in control of the battle
spartacusbr1
Why don't they just stab each other?
valkaek The thing to remember about these sports is that they are sports. This results in there being certain practices that must be followed. In kendo the center must be taken, seme, and one may not attack without these. Neither of these is an actual self defense sport, just a sport. To ask that is like asking why offside is a thing in ball sports. Note this is not meant to be offensive, merely informative. If it is offensive to you then I am sorry.
Think of it like boxing when one boxer holds onto the other.
jase276
not at all the same
Look at 6:30, and see how they stand there, this shows how it isn't a martial art, is a sport
The naginata wielder is standing like a statue, he needs more footwork. The swordsman kept closing the distance without much effort.
There will be tutorial how to take out a full armed samurai with BJJ...
This is the place I am thinking of going to!
In a real life or death fight, anyone who chooses the katana over the naginata is a fool.
BloodofPatriots I would personally choose the naginata but the katana does have the edge in durability since the naginata has a wooden handle that the katana could easily cut up close, but then again the naginata (normally) has a heavier blade so going blade to blade the naginata is the stronger weapon. I used to fight in period fighting tournaments and I personally always chose the pole arms (halberd) for the extra reach and momentum, the trick is learning to use both ends and even the shaft to keep the opponent off balance.
Jared Thibodaux Some naginata's actually used a "recycled" katana blade. So imagine a samurai trying to even get close enough to cut that wooden pole with a katana when there's a blade of equal length sticking out of the end.
I trained with the staff for a while and my favorite target was the ankle. I'm sure you know why since you did period fighting.
+BloodofPatriots Since I did not period fighting, why?
comandosespeciales Range. A naginata can kill from three times the range of a katana. The most effective technique is to sweep the legs then slash back and forth. The katana is on defense the entire time because it can't even touch the holder of the naginata.
BloodofPatriots Oh yeah, it was kinda obvious. Thanks pal.
Love that, thanks for sharing!
(Is it a real competition? Cannot believe they allow people use different weapons)
Exhibition match
Sooooooo............ who the hell won?
+Tenacious B If the judge knew how naginatas even work, naginata guy would have one, he hit two perfect tsunes (leg attacks) that were unquestionably ippons, but he completely ignored both on his ignorance about what he was judging, and officially the other dude won.
PSNMyfoot must of been a Don King production.
+Tenacious B Guy with gun ;)
Samael Schwarz Well.................Yeah.
+Samael Schwarz wrong, the winner is politician :p
they can strip your gun, your sword, even your paper spray :p
The length of the naginata has more advantage than the sword
I kinda feel like the scoring weren't made completely clear or maybe the first Naginata user just weren't too experienced in sparing, it seemed like she thought the fight was over like 2 or 3 times when she had hit her opponent.
I WOULD LOVE TO DO THIS TOO BAD THEY DONT HAVE IT IN AMARICA
This match takes place in America. Naginata (the spear art) is quite rare, but many large cities and Universities have Kendo clubs. Google the name of your community and Kendo and you might find something.
bambooswordsman1 With these rules? I'm surprised no one else is calling bullshot?
shitosusansen
No one else called bullshit because it says in the description the event takes place in Irvine, as in Irvine California. You can google Butokuden, Irvine is you don't believe me.
bambooswordsman1 Not the location, the rules.
shitosusansen I thought you had to mean location because there are a lot of comments (made by people who have no idea what they are talking about, by the way) that question the validity Kendo and Naginata. A full explanation would take too long, but basically this is supposed to simulate two warriors in armor. Strikes must be made with the right part of the weapon, against the correct target, with the correct spirit and intensity. The idea is that if the strike doesn't have the correct spirit and intensity, it won't penetrate the armor. Remember, this is not meant to be watched and enjoyed by interested laymen. It takes several years of training to really understand how points are awarded.
I think the scoring system needs some work here, or at least in that particular match, for there were times when the guy with the pole axe (I know that's not exactly accurate) was hitting the guy with the sword and yet the judge did not notice. Perhaps electronic scoring would do better.
where i can order that wooden naginata?
ebogu.com it’s bamboo
the kendoka can only charge into the naginataka because this is sports. if it comes to real battle one cannot blindly charge into enemy zone of control without minding one's own life. but put this thing aside, the video is quite interesting. i also want to see some gedan kendo stance duels.
I think they fought very well and considering the advantages and disadvantages of each weapon i think the fight were fair ;P
Naginata?
I think they were even fights and maybe a very slight bias to kendo
Wow that was cool. Takes a lot of mental fortitude
is there a form of kendo where any kind of hit is considered a win? i feel like this isn't really like practice for a real fight with blades.
not in kendo, but maybe in kenjuitsu. Kendo it is top of the head, ribs or hand I believe.
ymohammed88 and throat.
If you like, I will explain the logic and theory behind Kendo scoring. Why we believe Kendo is good practice for a real fight with blades. It is kind of long so I will not write it unless it is desired.
bambooswordsman1 sure that would be great! :)
professorbland
You must understand a few things first. Japanese sword arts are based on the one hit kill idea, and Kendo is training to fight people in armor, so the idea is to get a hit that will kill an armored opponent in one strike. So we focus on targets where the armor is vulnerable. The wrists, throat, head and sides of the body. I can't explain everything but for example, Samurai wore extra armor over their thighs and upper arms so we don't attack them in Kendo.
So got get a kill through armor the old master believed that you needed to hit with need good power, good form (holding the sword properly and standing up straight to properly deliever that power), you have to hit with right part of the sword. A Kendo hit will only be a point if you hit with the area of the Shinai above the leather band 3/4's up the blade. This is where the sword will have the most power. The last thing is that you need to show a clear intention to hit where you sword hits. No accidents. You have yell the name of the target as you hit, and then follow through to show that you know you made a hit. If you don't have these elements, the judges won't give you a point.
This reply is already pretty long but, look up Samurai spirit Kendo on youtube for more information about this. I would also be happy to answer anymore of your questions.
Love how the katana guy gets his ass kicked tryna block when legit the naginata guy just stands still in a guarding stances
Going by pure martial validity, the naginata won most of the exchanges.
Jeez, how "clean" does a clean strike have to be to be called?! 1:58, 3:12, 3:48 this happened several times. . .
I feel the spear user wasn't offensive enough. I'm sure you're suppose to be focusing on counter attacking for maximum effectiveness, but she/he isn't using that optimal range. That and the katana guy goin' in so ham, gotta love that shit
I like the bull-shouldered naginata wielder! Love at 6:30 when the katana wielder came in to try and push around and contend with him. No, just no.
I’m American, but i love swords and collect them, I’m gonna learn kendo one day...
If they didn't have the rules, the Naginata would win every time. Pole arms are VASTLY superior to swords in combat. This is a fact. Not only is it harder and takes longer to train a swordsmen, but they aren't as effective on the battlefield.
***** There's a reason spears were used on battlefields far more often than swords. They have greater reach, greater killing potential, and they are easier to use/train. Swords were the TERTIARY weapon of medieval combat (for both Europe and Japan) - the spear and the bow both came before the sword, as they have more reach and are therefor superior, in the same way guns, with their greater reach, are superior to spears and swords.
As you have stated, in towns etc, nobles/knights would carry swords, but that was more to show their status and to duel each other. When wartime comes, it's all spears.
Also, "slapping your polearm away" with a shield is really not as easy as you seem to be saying. Even if you were to deflect a stab attempt, a spear man can just as quickly reset his stance as a swordsman. If you want to test it, take a stick and a piece of wood to use as a sword/shield, and have a friend take a 3-4 meter long stick to use as a spear, and try to close the distance and stab him before he can stab you. You will find that it's VERY difficult to fight off a spear with a sword, even if you have a shield. spears are not slow at all.
These things aren't opinions - war strategy books, weapon manuals etc. of the time stressed spear use in battle over sword use.
+Regal Render and so what about when swords could cut down the pole arms and take away all range of the weapon, fight better in a cramped battlefield AND was the weapon of choice for the legendary Miyamoto Musashi
+Regal Render well of course, a line of spearmen could never be broken by swordsmen, though the sword was more of a "last resort" option, i think you relied on your archers, cavalry and spearmen infantry mostly, though in close encounters like castles you had an advantage with sword, you could easily hide your sword behind you and feint your enemy, theres a few kata with interesting techniques for that
Swords, like the longswords of the west and katana and its accompaniment the wakizashi or tanto, are sidearms. Things you can carry on your side. Were you beset by bandits or assassins, you are more likely to have your sidearm with you, given that you can carry it with you at all times on your side, like a handgun. Likewise, your bandit or assassin probably would have a sword with him too, unless he's too poor, had a stealth advantage with a knife instead or had a weapon stashed nearby. Now, a spear, would be akin to a rifle. It's not rocket science that a rifle beats a handgun in accuracy and range. But if you weren't expecting to be going to war at any moment, would you rather carry a rifle that weighs minimum 3kg or a handgun that weighs 500g? And all that bulk too? And the fact that there is no such thing as a rifle holster (slings don't count, you can't sling a spear anyway)?
Also same thing, it takes much more training to use a handgun effectively than a rifle, but nobles and samurai had an awful lot of spare time since they didn't have farms to tend to so it doesn't really matter anyway. And also swords are as much weapon as badges of office in some cases. But I am with you in that the naginata would probably win most of the time.
Long range it is, the closer the worst it is.
The beginning where the Kendo guy went into sonkyo position and the Naginata fella just sorta bent not knowing what was goin' on had me laughing.
Also, that one reason to learn how to use Gedan no kamae lol
that's why the guy with the Naginata sucked and lost the match. In theory, a Naginata beats a katana.
I think they only count some point on the amor, that why there are "win" or "lose" .__. If this was a real combat, no one would be " in one piece" .__. their weapon touch their body alot, and that means "bleeding till dead"
Pretty sure you still need to cut the unprotected body part to make them bleed.
Owen Bunny When I said "if this was a real combat" I mean there would be no protections, like when you walk out-door and from nowhere, a guy with that thing attack you and you have a sword from nowhere( any sword, don't have to be katana, a noidachi maybe?) so you begin to defend then strike back .____. no protections there .__.
but maybe you have a amor from nowhere? .__. I don't know
Pedo Bùi unless they hace some kind of soft concealable body armor. haha
so do kendo and naginata clubs have competitions against each other as well? or are they kept seperate most of the time?
+Kalmon salmon In the U.S. finding a Naginata school may be very difficult. I spent a few minutes looking around on google for one in my state and it seems there is only one here. So in the US its probably very unlikely that there would be cross training. When I was doing Kendo I had never seen any naginataka come in. We would get other kendoka from other schools come in, that is somewhat common.
Perhaps in Japan its more common. I wouldn't mind cross training with naginata.
+Kalmon salmon It's more common for them to face off against each other in Japan, where Naginata is mostly practiced by females. They tend to have female Naginata teams play against male Kendo teams. There's quite a few videos of the shiai on youtube, they're interesting matches. Naginata is still quite rare outside of Japan, which is a shame.
one of naginata advantages is the distance. I think this battle ground is not wide enough.