Murder at Castle Nathria ⭐ Card Ratings w/ Trump! | Hearthstone
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- You have been waiting for them and they are finally here! The definitive Murder at Castle Nathria Star Ratings! Enjoy!
00:00 Intro
00:17 Demon Hunter
02:15 Druid
04:15 Hunter
06:20 Mage
08:26 Paladin
10:04 Priest
13:31 Rogue
16:28 Shaman
18:24 Warlock
21:26 Warrior
24:07 Neutrals
37:57 Summary
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STAR RATINGS
★★★★★
In a Tier 1 deck OR in multiple decks
★★★★
In a Tier 2 deck OR in multiple Tier 3 decks
★★★
In a Tier 3 deck OR tech card (a card occasionally run in high tier decks)
★★
At some point in at least 1% of decks according to HSReplay in a 14 day timeframe after initial week of experimentation
★
Unplayed
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The classes being ranked against each other in impactfulness is so fun. Please make this a tradition.
Agreed just wish it was in (reverse) order of impactfulness, not class name
reup because the totals at the end didn't include the neutral cards :(
Think it would be useful for this comment to be pinned, as for me at this moment there's 2 comments above it
Thanks for the fix!
The more trump the better
Yeah when i saw the total for castle nathria i was like "that cant be right, theres way less cards than the previous expansion" and it wasnt
Womp womp
I love the rereviews as sort of "time capsules" for metas and seeing how the game evolved, go back to those videos from time to time but i know why he doesn't do them anymore, too much work for not that many views, still would love to see some form of it return
because they don't really work anymore, balance patches are far more frequent so there's no point in him going back and saying "hey remember that meta we had for 9 days? this is how accurate I was regarding it"
so sad
@@nabeelhussain1372 You don’t have to refer to only one meta. It would just be interesting to see how some cards performed way below or above expectations.
I still think it would be worth it to do this. A lot of time, Trump will say something like 'In a slow meta, this card will....', and so if we get nerfs to slow down the meta, we can see if his guess was accurate.
Trump reviews is always the grand gala of the card reveal season.
literally
Impending Catastrophe is absolutely getting nerfed. With just minimal setup in an archetype that’s extremely well supported, it becomes the most efficient card draw spell we’ve ever seen.
Printed to support zoo is probably just going to enable some degenerate Rod decks.
Guff on druid is broken and op card its not getting nerfed why should 2 mana draw few cards to get nerfed id rather play VS imp zoo deck then wait for druid to stall few turns play guff and auto win the game cuz out scales you
Well, 2 weeks later and the first round of nerfs have come through, but not for impending catastrophe. You lookin kinda stupid rn tbh
Castle Nathria: 2 Weeks Later
This is looking at the launch meta before the first set of balance changes.
META SNAPSHOT
This is the Haves and Have-Nots Meta. The decks which got good stuff from the expansion are enjoying a balanced, flavorful, and varied metagame with viable control, aggro, and combo decks, and nothing sticking out as overtly overpowered. Shaman might be the standout leader but it’s a benevolent ruler. That said though, the classes which didn’t are so hopelessly bad they might as well not exist. Two of them are in dire straits (Rogue and Paladin), while Warrior and DH are pulling a 37% class WR, the lowest in Hearthstone history.
The main aggro decks are Implock, Face Hunter, and Naga Priest. The main control decks are Spooky Mage, Big Beast Hunter, and Control Evolve Shaman. The main combo decks are Questline Hunter and Denathrius Druid.
CORRECT
Relic DH - It’s too slow to get going. You need to cast the Relics at least 3 times before they start being good, at which time you’ve fallen too far behind to make a comeback.
Denathrius Druid - The raw juicing power Druid’s token package has allows them to get some big Denathrius plays, and Brann can allow Denathrius to close out games. Loses hard to Implock and is the biggest victim to the disruption everyone’s running. Most successful lists cut Coldtooth Mine to favor alternate win conditions like Naga Giant and Raid Boss Onyxia to play around Mutanus and Theotar. Not super busted, but certainly on the stronger side.
Deathrattle Druid - Lacks the lategame finishing potential of Denathrius Druid. Ultimately irrelevant.
Wildseeds - Every single Hunter deck runs them. Foxes allow for good value trades, Bears offer crucial Taunts to slow down rival aggro decks, and Stags’ Greatbows offer a lot of face damage. Ara’lon and Spirit Poacher are often cut in Questline Hunter though. Nerfed to lose 1 attack on the Stag’s Greatbow.
Secret Mage - It shipped with 3 mana Eye for an Eye, did you seriously think it stood a chance at seeing play?
Paladin - Firmly in the Have-Nots, Paladin got nothing to help them stay relevant. Holy Paladin didn’t like Renathal, but the rise of lategame lethality which out-lethal Button spam and overwhelm Paladin’s defensive tools render it obsolete. Board-based Paladin decks can’t compete with the Freeze spam from Mage and Shaman. Pure Paladin is a joke. Dude Paladin even more so.
Naga Priest - The only surprise here is that Boom of the Ascended was good enough to make the cut. The new cards slot in perfectly and keep it relevant as one of the strongest (if underplayed) aggro decks. Some debate if Partner in Crime will stick.
Thief Priest - Not enough Thief cards, and too clunky.
Control Evolve Shaman - It’s the deck to beat. While he didn’t call it directly, he called enough of the pieces I’ll give it to him. It has a ton of value, amazing Battlecries to Bolner, Brann, and Macaw, and a really good defensive core afforded by Snowfall, Goldshire Gnoll, Devourer, and lots of Disruption. The Evolve package allows the deck to convert low stat Battlecries into more proper threats, or Devolve Volatile Skeletons, Imps, or overstatted minions. Only issue is that it doesn’t like Hunter and Big Spell Mage.
Totem Shaman - The only good thing about this package is Carving Chisel (which is OK) and the fact we got a neutral Totem. Hard to believe people unironically thought Sinstone Totem would be anything other than unplayable.
Imp Warlock - Implock was the Day 1 Tyrant of this expansion, and like similar decks in the past, has taken a step back as refinement began. The Imp package is so good it merged into many other Warlock decks, including Abyssal Curse and Phylactery, but the pure Aggro versions are most popular and effective. It’s scared of the freeze spam from Shaman and Mage, and Deathborne turning their Imps into a massive tempo swing. Dark Alley Pact and Lady Darkvein are terrible here. Was nerfed, and VIle Library’s taking the hit.
Shadow Warlock - Why play all these clunky Shadow spells when you can just play Implock and win games?
Warrior - Trump was so proud of this rating he boasted about it on Reddit. It’s a Have-Not, and the only reason it’s not the worst class with its 37% WR is because DH is somehow even worse. Enrage can’t draw cards to save its life, and Control Warrior doesn’t want anything here other than Remornia, but that deck needs a lot more help than just a 7 mana Crabatoa.
Dinner Performer - This one was oddly hyped, and Trump rightfully didn’t buy into it. Too often it’d get some mediocre garbage, or worse, your other copy of Dinner Performer, making it pretty garbage. Add in most decks consisting of lots of high value Battlecries, and it is even further juxtaposed from seeing play.
Murloc Holmes - Right in the wrong way. Its home is in Control Shaman, where it’s pretty good value refill, and surprisingly consistent if you’ve paid attention to your opponent’s plays.
Theotar, the Mad Duke - Meta warpingly good. Forced Denathrius Druid to run backup win conditions and cut Coldtooth Mine, gives any deck which runs it a chance to cheese by stealing crucial power plays and combo pieces, and then some. Biggest users are Spooky Mage and Control Shaman, but more and more decks are opening their eyes to him. This is Nathria’s Zilliax.
Steamcleaner - Came one expansion too late, Kaz and Prestor are irrelevant now and nobody’s shuffling cards into their decks.
Sire Denathrius - He’s a lot more flexible than you’d think. All the Haves have at least one deck which can adequately use Denathrius, with the most prominent of them being Denathrius Druid using him as an OTK, and Control Shaman being able to retrigger his Battlecry many times with Bolner Macaw shenanigans. Favorite target of Theotar, which opens up a lot of mindgames about when to play your Denathrius, or risk it being stolen.
MOSTLY THERE
Questline Priest - Another expansion, another time Trump overrated Quest Priest. It returned to its days as the Control deck of choice at lower rank brackets, while being irrelevant above Platinum.
Miracle Rogue - This is the most interesting of the Have-Nots to talk about (and not just because it brought Forsen back). Right now, it’s horrible - hovering at a staggering 34% winrate which increases to 44% at Legend. However, most of the lists right now are Hyper Miracle lists which run Gadgetzan along with a Deathrattle package built around Loan Shark, much like the utterly horrible first builds of Garrote Rogue from Stormwind. Masters Tour popularized the idea of a more Tempo-oriented version of this deck, focusing less on the Miracle OTK/TTKs, but using them as a finisher, much like Garrote Rogue’s refined form. It’s yet to gain significant popularity on Ladder, but with some buffs being tossed Rogue’s way and solid success in the last MT, watch out for this one.
Murlocula - Implock variants which run the Kael’Thas Denathrius package often include Murloculas to allow them to play Denathrius as early as turn 6, offering one of the few ways for Implock to deal from-hand burn. However, it’s rather uncommon and niche.
Kael’Thas Sinstrider -The community didn’t overrate it, he underrated it. Sinstrider is a common inclusion in most Renathal decks, including Druid (it allows you to Brann Denathrius even if you miss Guff). This 2 card package copies powerful Battlecries like Denathrius, Kel’Thuzad, or Mordresh, which are typically limited by their cost. Less common in 30 card decks though.
Insatiable Devourer - While Druid was the obvious choice due to the token spam, Shaman runs it as well because it’s an amazing Battlecry to Macaw, and even some Hunters are picking them up as well. Common sight to see your Insatiable Devourer eat your opponent’s.
WRONG
Disco DH - Returning cards to your deck is really not good, and lends to running out of gas too quickly to close out the game. Magnifying Glaive and Kryxis lack the refill power to keep you going late.
Spooky Scary Skeleton Mage - The Lord of Day 2 sends shivers down your spine. They’ll seal your doom tonight in many different ways, ranging from Medium to XL,with packages like Dungeoneer with almost all Frost spells, going all out offensive with Frozen Touch, even a Big Spell package with Gray Sage Parrot alongside Blizzards and Runes. Meta’s hostile to it (especially Denathrius Druid), but it’s one of the most popular ladder decks right now. Correct that maindecking Volatile Skeleton is a bad idea.
Secret Rogue - The secrets are too fair and payoff cards too underwhelming. With the numerous powerful Battlecries flying around, Kidnap is often beneficial for your opponent. Halkias is too easy to kill after triggering the secrets, but hopefully getting Stealth makes them more than just a Tallstrider.
Dredger Staff - Too bad if you don’t play it on 1. Losing relevance, only found in some older and weaker Implocks.
murloc holmes is trash and def not a 5 star card lol
i find Demolition Renovator to be a just in case card, they made it in case a location where to be too good, better to have an option than not.
Once again, thank you for continuing to do these videos. I can't believe its nearly been 10 years since I started playing Hearthstone and watching your content!
I really like this "Most Impactful" format but I think it'd make sense to do them in order from least to most impactful - it was a little difficult to follow when just done like this.
He's going through the classes alphabetically then the neutral cards by cost
It wouldve been good to note that in the beginning of the video or at least in the discription - I've only just noticed that
I bet Trump's just too furious with that lost to Regis' warrior deck he gotta gave the warrior cards low star rating XD
I should ask Blizzard to make animated shorts of hearthstone Murder at Castle Nathria to promote the expansion
Two uploads in one day? Incredible.
The Value
Love this new format, great stuff
Druid probably still runs Kael simply because, as ridiculous as this sounds, you don't always draw Guff and he can be tutored by the second mine.
I like the format of this review. Being able to see classes as a whole is important.
I like when you add different things to your card reviews like the impact rating or other things, I can’t remember right now but you used to in older card reviews
This disappeared while I was watching before so glad it’s back!
Like the new format! I don't have time to hear about every card, but the package level is perfect.
I’m somewhat surprised that the wild seed cards were rated so highly. They’re certainly not bad, but they didn’t seem to be particularly impressive compared to what the other classes were doing in the testing streams.
I have the feeling that start of expansion they're going to be really good because they're the most clear cut package that you can throw into a generic midrange deck and do really well, but as decks get refined they'll probably sink down to tier 2
Trump has said the 2 mana 2/2 that makes a Dormant Wildseed is the strongest card ever printed in Hearthstone.
@@Bsweet117 its a very good card. But definetely not the best off all time. Maybe the best rare card tho
@@Bsweet117 I just don't see it.
Testing streams don't have refined decks since they are forced to use a certain amount of new cards which makes certain decks weaker than they should be by forcing them to use bad cards
Ahhh delicious hindsight looking back on the relic ratings at the start
This was incredibly spot on :O
I hope trump does a rereview of these card ratings later in the set, I enjoyed his old rereview videos.
1 star now, 1 star in the future
@@patrik5188 more like 5 star now, 1 star in the future
*w/ Trump*
I sure hope so, he's why I came here
I think the DH "discard" cards allowing you to outcast cards that got stuck might be a factor that comes into play at some point.
Appreciated.
In your opinion, what's holding back the skeleton mage deck? Does it not have the tools to keep up in the early-mid game? Or is the late game payoff of KT not Inevitable enough? Would adding in Daddy D and/or Brann/Kael solve the second issue?
Trump's refusal to pronounce "buffet" correctly in every last video is still blowing me away
Maybe he somehow thinks it's the verb (which is pronounced that way)?
@@DrewLevitt or maybe it's a running joke 😳 crazy idea
@@dakota8901 IDK, between "buffet" and Kibler consistently butchering "garrote," I'm starting to think gaming streamers just aren't very good at pronunciation
Since you reuploaded your vid ill reupload my comment lol
please do trump reviews trump reviews or a similar thing for this one, it was genuinely my favorite thing to watch on your channel
it combined everything - good card analysis, some hahas from the mistakes you made, breakdown of the meta this expansion had which you can go back to in the future in case you ever need to
Is muck pools into maze guide not a great curve play? Or is evolve shaman just looking for the mega value evolves?
I think you misunderstood how Murloc Holmes works. You either get all 3 cards or none depending if you guess all 3 hints. One wrong guess and it's just a spider tank. 1 star card
i like the impact ratings!!
Thanks Jens :)
why the reupload ?
How crazy do you think the older single player adventures could be played through with all of the current cards?
Just played the Lich king recently lol, Platebreaker alone made him so much easiee
"Daddy D" lmao that's something I never thought Trump would say.
15:36 - Trump's theorizing about Value Rogue in a card review video - all is right in the world.
I'm quite sad about Paladin. I think Control/Holy Paladin will do well this expansion but it's going be very samesy which sucks.
You are crazy if you think Control Warrior does well here. Druid gonna eat them alive even if the class didn't suck
@@drewpeacock9087 OP said Control Paladin. Not warrior.
@@drewpeacock9087 I am gonna bet aggro becomes the direct counter to druids. Decks are gonna be built to out pace druids insane late game. This means Paladin can come back in and farm aggro. Rock paper scissors meta all over again yay lol
The reupload man!
So much better then any other review out there. Condensed well but still providing a lot of info.
Just looking at some of the described combos in Imp Warlock makes me think it's gonna be terrifying and something will be nerfed quickly. Probably Impending Catastrophe, 2 mana draw several is gonna be stupid broken.
The location is also super strong
You can tell that the balancing on those cards was entirely improvised
I don't know man - anima extractor looks pretty good 👌
New format is really nice
The Red Herring flavor though...deserves at least 2 🤩
Wait, Nightshade Bud isn't gonna make the cut into Celestial Alignment Druid as two more Celestial Alignments that don't become dead cards after you cast them?
You can quote me on this, 2 months from now, Kael'thas, Brann and the mage Kel'Thuzad will be a known combo, similar to Aviana Kun back in Gadgetzan
Nahhhh the skeletons don’t get out as fast as you think… and you don’t draw a 3 legendary combo that often/quickly. And without the synergy, all 3 legendaries are bad draws/tempo.
@@InvaIidGaming trust
This has to be the worst take ever.
@@masterpotato2162 give it 2 months
@@jacksonfogo2 you are using kelthas to cheat 1 mana. Just use mailbox dancer to get the coin.
Also, Deathbourne is a strictly better spell then the frost version, as it triggers your own skeletons and generates more, and with some set up, gives you a board and removed your opponents. It's great.
now can we get ratings of all of the flavor text for this expansion?
i think trump and jens missed the mark on these rating videos by rushing them up..
we LIKE the star ratings, like trump saying "one star" "five stars", and like to hear about every card, and by doing these rushed versions we didnt get that :/
while i'm here, where is the re-reviews? they where usually done a couple months in the expansion, i loved thoso ones aswell
I thought the same before watching the video, I think the format is great, I guess it makes more sense to go in depth about the cars, when talking about the top 10 cards... that's if we get a top 10, I hope at least.
To be fair Trump did basically talk about every card, he just skipped over many of the class cards because they all belonged to the same package which he has done before. I don't know what Trump would've said if he talked more about every card but I think he covered everything important, the video isn't rushed by any means. As for rereviews, I love them too but there's no real point in doing them anymore since hs started doing a bunch of balance patches in between expansions, which used to not really be the case.
Some clear misses, namely Skelly Mage. But a fantastic job otherwise. Really great takes up and down. Pretty much bang on.
Well done sir
i hate skelly mage so much
This is best part of the expansion
Did we ever find out who killt? I missed it
Steam cleaner is also an add to the mech discover pool. Idk how I feel about that
Can't wait to see someone make a meta-breaker with some of the 1 star cards k
Some of these cards are for sure not going to be 1 star.
Relic demon hunter will be unstoppable after the miniset. Historically archetypes had 8 enablers Cthun, galakrond, Libram.
So with one additional relic, it will be a different ball game.
So probably don’t dust them, I predict it will be one of the strongest decks.
I think your undervaluing devolve on the primorial wave...you have also put it in the context of shamans wide board clear being absolute trash currently, good against deathrattles(hunter,dh,rogue), buffs (wigg priest/pally)
although it may be a druid meta and yah this is worthless against ramp
pelagos would have been a really good card for the old prime mechanic ! like first normal pelagos then … you know what pelagos 😂
creepy painting + brawl
Can't wait to see warrior ending up tier 1
Masked Reveler + DH Collosal + Dispose of evidence to put collosal back into deck whenever drawn early. ;)
I run Sire in my token Demon hunter ith hilarious effect so druid certainly not the only class
Here we go again!
Can’t wait for Totem package (minus stonewright) to end up very good in infusing your minions and threatens lethal with bloodlust
I subscribed for wordy, what the hell is this brief rating.
can somebody tell me the background music please?
Wait, the "Fiend" Demon summoned by Dark Alley Pact is an "imp"? How does that work?? "Imp" is nowhere on the summoned minion.
this music sounds like the masquerade ball from Van Helsing movie
Rafaam revives any imp? Not just minions with imp in their name? If that is the case, Envoy Rustwix may have found a new friend.
Think with dredger staff , ice garrasion and the copious ways to hand buff
The damage warrior might be slept on
I found the worst take
@@masterpotato2162 good now go find yourself taking a shower 🚿
@@Synical02 sure want to join me, you are very emotional so you are probably a girl or a femboy. am fine with sticking mine in either
Sinful brand will be sooo good in duels with Rush decks
I feel like Hunter has been pretty dominant for a while, would like to see that change this expansion but seems unlikely :(
i really hope relics work
steam cleaner could clean up any curse of agony fatigue cards from warlock. Also it ruins Kazakusan.
1 mana sinful brand being 1 star aged well
Lmao love seen Imp Warlock ranked #1 after watching Trump get waxed with that deck
I don't care what anybody says: I think Murloc Holmes is the best Hearthstone card ever designed.
That Steamcleaner card completely ruins Prestor. Mech Mage and Paladin both discover mechs all the time, the fact they could easily pick up Steamcleaner once they realise they're against Prestor to win the game, means that Prestor is practically unplayable. What a shame, I loved Prestor Druid.
I'm glad your completely random deck is no longer playable
Will you do trump reviews trump reviews this time? :))
Steamcleaner also cleans up the Kazakuzan Druid
I wonder we're going to get the Top 10 video, I really hope so...
I feel like people might be sleeping on Sire Denathrius in a Volatile Skeleton deck... ;)
Yeah that deck wants to pump out as many skeletons as possible.
Does kidnap stop battlecry?
Reno is duels is gonna be eating well this expac
The X factor for Warrior I don't think that's being considered, it can clear warlock imp boards repeatedly better than any other class, can't it?
better play mtg :D
Daddy d indeed "on your knees!" When he makes you crawl to him. Was the most sexually charged raid quote and mechanic. Also remornia talking and being another morn blade was really cool. She was wildly crazy and bloodthirsty in game which is hard to pull off as an inanimate object, but was clearly submissive and under daddy Ds control.
Imagine being this down bad 💀
Will there be a Trump reviews trump reviews for this expansion. I miss them
I’m happy about warlock being on the right track to doing very well in this expansion as it’s my favourite class since day 1 and I’m only about 100 wins away from the sweet 1000, but oh man do I miss the handlock days :////
Curse Warlock is pretty much a "handlock" as your hand tends to be close to full all the time, very different game plan though...
@@Cuestrupaster yeah I know, there have been control warlock decks since handlock, but they just never kind of felt the same really, I quite enjoyed playing demonlock when knights of the frozen throne released as well because the play style was similar, but since then control decks, especially warlock control decks fell off and now there’s quest warrior that just fucks you in the ass regardless of what you play lool
@@Cuestrupaster do you know what a handlock is? It's not just defined by how full your hand is.
Guess we watching it a 2nd time 🤠
Sinstone Totem might be a thing in buff priest
After looking over all the cards next to each other... anyone else think it's going to be another aggro meta with hunter and warlock as the best classes again?
I think it's definitely going to be more midrange than aggro luckily
Steam Cleaner is going to be a Duels staple, due to that damn Boars deck.
KT Brann Kel'Thuzad is essential to that combo
What was wrong with the other one?
Trump is just so excited for the prospect of new warlock zoo
Topior is gonna be the sleeper OP card I think. Ramping into playing it turn 5 or 6 is gonna make a lot of people salty.
Cathedral of atonement will be an auto includement in priest till a nerf or rotation.
It's a good card because it allows priest to use mana proactively which priest basically never gets to do.
I have no clue why mage only got three skeleton cards when it really feels like they need more
well with the miniset later on you never know! they might just push it later on
@@baskythefox3967 Why not put all the cards of an archetype into the initial expansion right away? Minisets are great at changing up metas because the variety of decks the cards can often fit in.
Something like Kazakusan decks that didn’t exist in any similar fashion at all beforehand.
Or Mutanus that fits into multiple decks.
Just printing exactly volatile skeleton cards or abyssal curse cards in the last mini set for example doesn’t make sense to me unless they really missed the mark of what they were trying to do.
What they probably could do is print new mage secrets because this secret mage stuff is really not going to work, and if the secret is actually worth its mana this time it could be used in more decks than just secret mage unlike these specific cards for one archetype.
@@Icetea-2000 because that makes way too much sense and requires a cohesive, long-term balance strategy
they don't put a lot of thought into the cards they print - they never really have. it's always had the feeling of "the boss' son suggested this so we're doing it"
@@Prawnsly We know they design multiple expansions ahead, maybe not everything but the majority. So whether they print new volatile skeleton cards would be something they would have already decided by now
@@Icetea-2000 Which is a terrible (if understandable) approach to online game design - they don't allow themselves to react nearly quickly enough, and overcommit to ideas that are frequently proven to be flawed.
It might sound harsh but they have always had the reputation of being sslllooowww and often misguided in their balance updates/patches.
Daddy Denathrius does not disappoint 🥵
deja vu
I really think you misjudged riot by a long shot, from what I saw riot doesn’t waste the original attack of the minions, it seems like a potential clear during any stage of the game. It’s kind of like a hysteria mixed with mass hysteria but your minions don’t die.
This idea is great in theory, but as a warrior, when will you have more or even powered minions against the other classes?
Trump still the #1 hearthstone UA-camr
I just noticed that green throw-pillow looking thing in the art of Solid Alibi looks like it's checking out the frozen guy's package.