Im enjoying watching you guys on a Sunday. Over a decade ago I had an apprentice ask me how to do something at a convention, i said come get tattooed and i'll answer any question you have. Fast forward a few years, we become good friend and he became an exceptional good tattooist. I attended his wedding, I travelled the world with him and now he frequently guests with us. If i hadn't of said that, who knows?
Great points. I think knowledge should always be earned. Knowledge that isn’t earned can be dangerous. Not necessarily earned by finding out for yourself (although that’s better), but for example if an apprentice or someone who wants to begin tattooing but is not in a position to undergo a traditional apprenticeship due to financial commitments for example, but shows willing, respect and a keen drive to learn, then I think it’s worth sharing knowledge with them. Another awesome episode gents
I’m watching this on a beach in Kos 😀🕶️☀️. I totally agree with the overall opinion on the exchange of information to new aspiring artists. If we tell younger artists that they have to earn the right to this knowledge we get labelled as arrogant gatekeepers! A lot of them want a ready made career on a plate. How long does it take to become a doctor or a nurse or a teacher? Longer than any tattoo apprenticeship! It’s an awesome career so it’s worth grafting for to become a professional tattoo artist. You get out what you put in, simple. 😉
Great episode, as always! I always thought tattoo artists were gate keepers and what not, but in my situation I can vouch that's not the case at all. There's a tattoo artist in my town with over 30 years of experience. Got quite a few tattoos done by him and he knew I like art amd drawing and he was encouraging me to get started in this endeavour. When I finally decided to start, I asked around, at a few tattoo artists that done some work on my skin and they were all immensely helpful. Took their time to sit me down and show me what to buy, what not to buy, how to clean my machines...hell. All I knew about tattooing was the "stretch the skin thing". Had zero idea that a tattoo machine is just that. Not the grip. Not the power source. Long story short, it's good to keep in mind that nobody owes you anything. Even Paul and Chris could be spending their spare time doing anything else but this show, educating us. If someone is willing to give you a shot and share knowledge with you, be grateful and reapectful! People also need to understand that to get value one must be willing to give value first!
very much agree about the sense of agency you get when you put in the work. i’m only half a year into my tattoo journey, but i had an epiphany one day after having my worst practice ever. i was using a hand-me-down 2012 seth ciferri coil machine for the first time ever, and my mentor told me i’d have to take it apart, reconstruct it, then tune it to working standards. the springs snapped during the tune since they were old, and the new ones just wouldn’t get my machine to work the way i wanted, resulting in the worst practice i’ve had with any machine. got demotivated and questioned if i was cut out for this…then decided to pull an all-nighter to cut up the new springs to figure out how to get this to work. and it was worth it because now it lines like nothing i’ve ever used; pure bliss. putting in that extra effort and pushing through difficulties proved 2 things: 1, i can do this. 2, i’m willing to push myself and do what needs to be done to get this shit going. nowhere near chris’ trials and tribulations, but i made it through my own struggles 😂 anyway, love the show and what it’s become, keep up the good work 🤘🏽
I completely agree with this hole topic. You need to put the time and effort and the hustle into anything you do as it will make you compete and stand out. Nothing comes easy. If you take the easy root you will quit the moment things get hard. And people don’t want to wast there time with people who don’t show determination. My past work was Animator and 3d artist. Took me 6 years of hard work and every free time i had to learn and train different techniques to get to the point in having a successful motion graphics studio. There where times I became a hobbit and forgotten there is life outside my work place as we began at 10am and left at 11pm. I had brought that work ethic into my tattoo and now i am in a different country in a competitive town where no one had heard of me to having one of the most successful private studios. If your not willing to put the time you will never stick out of the ocean of competitors. Easy come easy go in short words.
Tattoos and respect have gone hand in hand since it's inception. You'd know that if you learned your history. If you truly want to do this, don't be like any other dickhead who thinks cuz they can draw they can tat, im guilty of it but I had enough common sense to actually leanr what I needed to, I didn't have anyone to teach me but I wanted it enought to do my own research, when my machines didn't work I learned about the electrical aspect of my machines, when I did some finger tatts some stayed one pass some I had to 4x over, so I learned about the dermatology aspect of it, those are just 2 examples that honestly did take alot of time just to have the confidence to not break my machine or blow out the design. It's the things that no one really notices that should make you most proud about tattoos not just the beauty of the art you put on people for the rest of their lives. Thank you for attending my Ted talk 🤓
One thing i'll disagree with is everyone I've interacted with who did a music degree says it was a waste of time and they learned everything afterwards, having said that music is so diverse you pretty much have to re learn everything, every time you genre hop.
I'm with Paul on this one, hate Facebook, refuse to use it, I wanna cry when some business' only online presence is Facebook. It's a dead platform let it go lol Like what exactly is it anymore? To share photos to all of your friends and family? Just send someone a photo if they want it XD
I personally think if someone just starting out was told everything, it wouldn't help at all. Only because like in every job, you tend to learn as you go. Once you start to understand parts of your job, you then can start soaking up information. It would almost be a waste of time telling someone all the secrets as most of the information will mean nothing to them at the time. Just telling someone how to say pull a line doesn't help and they'll still need to make mistakes to learn and grow and find what works for them. Little useful bits of info is great though once you have the basics down. I do however think information on hygiene is super important before anything else. Maybe people should be made to watch videos on someone setting up and breaking down. Similar to the health and safety videos you're made to watch in other jobs.
Maybe bit controversial so don’t know if you’re gonna tackle it: money and transparency in the tattoo world. Why in Europe we have to pay cash in most of the shops? Why it’s so difficult to write down prices in a flash book so I know how much everything is?
Another great show guys. Love the idea of the further education/ collage for tattooing and can definitely see it as a great way for the future off tattoo where the individual can pay for a real education... but how do you think it would effect the tattooist with out the papers?? Just a thought for the flip side of the idea. Could it effect the un certificated artist who still knows how to do it properly but just doesn't have the hnc or hnd in tattooing? With people being people when looking to get a tattooist look for papers over skill?? Just a thought?? Have a great week gents and I'll be looking forward to next Sundays episode 💜🙏🙂
I wonder why the recent uproar in complaint. I just got the critical torque (which i love) and i have the flux since ir came out. Ive always wrapped it properly with barrier film and sensi wrap and after a session, cold clean with madicide as recommended and ive never found random ink or backsplash inside ever when i wipe it down. Im sure using carts with membranes mitigates that but i have never had a real reason to think its not as clean as any machine can be or that im somehow putting my clients as risk for cross contamination.
In regards to sharing knowledge, people nowadays give away information so freely that it's expected to learn how to do do everything from the likes of UA-cam, I've said it before and i'll say it again, a proper accredited course would go a long way to helping people. As for making tutorials etc, people don't understand that it's usually a hell of a lot of work, camera angles alone can push an ambitious person into giving up on the tutorial. But even if they do it and do it really well, they most likely won't recoup the money that they spent to make it, they will come under criticism no matter how professional they are because there is so many different techniques. Lastly, people don't want the associated responsibility of making a full tutorial. If you do this day in day out, it's easy to overlook explaining why something is done or overlook showing a step because you didn't think it was important because it seems implied. Then people will come back and shout "Oh, this got infected and it's your fault!" Nobody wants to feel responsible for shitty tattoos, even if it's not in your control.
It's more just about wanting better from these top teir manufacturers its not about it being unsafe. It's about making it better/safer than it is in its current form. If we just continue to accept the standard there won't be improvements. Cheyenne started this sealed system pen machine idea and so the rest followed along. Ya you can go buy something else that suits your needs but if people don't speak up about the changes they want to see then we get the same crap served to us over and over. I don't think you are hearing that I'm not saying they are unsafe, but they could use improvements, it could be better that's all I'm saying. Also instead of contacting only the 3 guys who make sealed systems ask ACUS m1 designers why they took such a different approach. Because they saw a way to improve what their previous employers Cheyenne are doing. Not required whatever. But it's better. It's not an opinion it's a fact one way is safer than the other not saying the old way is bad but there are new better ways of doing things. And we need to incourage this rather than defend outdated ways of doing things. I wonder why Paul prefers a machine he can take apart?
Sadly, we’ve found - over the last few years - that the majority of manufacturers simply aren’t interested in anyone’s feedback. They simply want to sell the product ‘as is’. That’s why I think the only option to show them that we won’t accept products that don’t meet our needs is to not buy them. The product not selling is the only way they’ll look at making it better. I wish this was different but it just isn’t in our experience. As for why I prefer machines I can strip down, I think something as mechanically simple as a tattoo machine should be user serviceable for life. This is not only ecologically sound in a world that needs to start looking at the effects of rampant consumerism, it’s also a way of helping everyone understand their tools in a deeper way. - p
People want to be reached but in the way that you have to transfer to them your knowledge as in matrix .. like if there is a kind of weird download plug and they will be good make money and be famous with no effort at all .. very few have the strength to endure the process of push themselves to the next step.. and the next.. and the next… after 10 years I still looking for my next step and I keep looking..
I will truly never understand the “it was hard for us so it should be hard for you shit.” Like being poor, then you should truly know how hard it is and help when you are able. Hazing in college, child abusers abusing, the it was done to us, so it’s done to you mentality is absolute shite. As always love the show guys, cheers.
Im enjoying watching you guys on a Sunday. Over a decade ago I had an apprentice ask me how to do something at a convention, i said come get tattooed and i'll answer any question you have. Fast forward a few years, we become good friend and he became an exceptional good tattooist. I attended his wedding, I travelled the world with him and now he frequently guests with us. If i hadn't of said that, who knows?
Great points. I think knowledge should always be earned. Knowledge that isn’t earned can be dangerous. Not necessarily earned by finding out for yourself (although that’s better), but for example if an apprentice or someone who wants to begin tattooing but is not in a position to undergo a traditional apprenticeship due to financial commitments for example, but shows willing, respect and a keen drive to learn, then I think it’s worth sharing knowledge with them.
Another awesome episode gents
I’m watching this on a beach in Kos 😀🕶️☀️. I totally agree with the overall opinion on the exchange of information to new aspiring artists. If we tell younger artists that they have to earn the right to this knowledge we get labelled as arrogant gatekeepers! A lot of them want a ready made career on a plate. How long does it take to become a doctor or a nurse or a teacher? Longer than any tattoo apprenticeship! It’s an awesome career so it’s worth grafting for to become a professional tattoo artist. You get out what you put in, simple. 😉
Great episode, as always!
I always thought tattoo artists were gate keepers and what not, but in my situation I can vouch that's not the case at all. There's a tattoo artist in my town with over 30 years of experience. Got quite a few tattoos done by him and he knew I like art amd drawing and he was encouraging me to get started in this endeavour. When I finally decided to start, I asked around, at a few tattoo artists that done some work on my skin and they were all immensely helpful. Took their time to sit me down and show me what to buy, what not to buy, how to clean my machines...hell. All I knew about tattooing was the "stretch the skin thing". Had zero idea that a tattoo machine is just that. Not the grip. Not the power source.
Long story short, it's good to keep in mind that nobody owes you anything. Even Paul and Chris could be spending their spare time doing anything else but this show, educating us. If someone is willing to give you a shot and share knowledge with you, be grateful and reapectful!
People also need to understand that to get value one must be willing to give value first!
very much agree about the sense of agency you get when you put in the work. i’m only half a year into my tattoo journey, but i had an epiphany one day after having my worst practice ever. i was using a hand-me-down 2012 seth ciferri coil machine for the first time ever, and my mentor told me i’d have to take it apart, reconstruct it, then tune it to working standards. the springs snapped during the tune since they were old, and the new ones just wouldn’t get my machine to work the way i wanted, resulting in the worst practice i’ve had with any machine. got demotivated and questioned if i was cut out for this…then decided to pull an all-nighter to cut up the new springs to figure out how to get this to work. and it was worth it because now it lines like nothing i’ve ever used; pure bliss. putting in that extra effort and pushing through difficulties proved 2 things: 1, i can do this. 2, i’m willing to push myself and do what needs to be done to get this shit going. nowhere near chris’ trials and tribulations, but i made it through my own struggles 😂 anyway, love the show and what it’s become, keep up the good work 🤘🏽
Thanks for the episode
great show guys
Great episode guys
Congratulations on the 9k subs been here since 650 you guys have come a long way, great show definitely one of my favorites🎉
Great an informative video Guys!!!
I completely agree with this hole topic. You need to put the time and effort and the hustle into anything you do as it will make you compete and stand out. Nothing comes easy. If you take the easy root you will quit the moment things get hard. And people don’t want to wast there time with people who don’t show determination. My past work was Animator and 3d artist. Took me 6 years of hard work and every free time i had to learn and train different techniques to get to the point in having a successful motion graphics studio. There where times I became a hobbit and forgotten there is life outside my work place as we began at 10am and left at 11pm. I had brought that work ethic into my tattoo and now i am in a different country in a competitive town where no one had heard of me to having one of the most successful private studios. If your not willing to put the time you will never stick out of the ocean of competitors. Easy come easy go in short words.
Tattoos and respect have gone hand in hand since it's inception. You'd know that if you learned your history. If you truly want to do this, don't be like any other dickhead who thinks cuz they can draw they can tat, im guilty of it but I had enough common sense to actually leanr what I needed to, I didn't have anyone to teach me but I wanted it enought to do my own research, when my machines didn't work I learned about the electrical aspect of my machines, when I did some finger tatts some stayed one pass some I had to 4x over, so I learned about the dermatology aspect of it, those are just 2 examples that honestly did take alot of time just to have the confidence to not break my machine or blow out the design. It's the things that no one really notices that should make you most proud about tattoos not just the beauty of the art you put on people for the rest of their lives.
Thank you for attending my Ted talk 🤓
One thing i'll disagree with is everyone I've interacted with who did a music degree says it was a waste of time and they learned everything afterwards, having said that music is so diverse you pretty much have to re learn everything, every time you genre hop.
I'm with Paul on this one, hate Facebook, refuse to use it, I wanna cry when some business' only online presence is Facebook. It's a dead platform let it go lol
Like what exactly is it anymore? To share photos to all of your friends and family? Just send someone a photo if they want it XD
Good morning guys!
I personally think if someone just starting out was told everything, it wouldn't help at all. Only because like in every job, you tend to learn as you go. Once you start to understand parts of your job, you then can start soaking up information. It would almost be a waste of time telling someone all the secrets as most of the information will mean nothing to them at the time.
Just telling someone how to say pull a line doesn't help and they'll still need to make mistakes to learn and grow and find what works for them.
Little useful bits of info is great though once you have the basics down.
I do however think information on hygiene is super important before anything else. Maybe people should be made to watch videos on someone setting up and breaking down. Similar to the health and safety videos you're made to watch in other jobs.
Congrats on 9k subscribers
Maybe bit controversial so don’t know if you’re gonna tackle it: money and transparency in the tattoo world. Why in Europe we have to pay cash in most of the shops? Why it’s so difficult to write down prices in a flash book so I know how much everything is?
Another great show guys. Love the idea of the further education/ collage for tattooing and can definitely see it as a great way for the future off tattoo where the individual can pay for a real education... but how do you think it would effect the tattooist with out the papers?? Just a thought for the flip side of the idea. Could it effect the un certificated artist who still knows how to do it properly but just doesn't have the hnc or hnd in tattooing? With people being people when looking to get a tattooist look for papers over skill?? Just a thought?? Have a great week gents and I'll be looking forward to next Sundays episode 💜🙏🙂
I wonder why the recent uproar in complaint. I just got the critical torque (which i love) and i have the flux since ir came out. Ive always wrapped it properly with barrier film and sensi wrap and after a session, cold clean with madicide as recommended and ive never found random ink or backsplash inside ever when i wipe it down. Im sure using carts with membranes mitigates that but i have never had a real reason to think its not as clean as any machine can be or that im somehow putting my clients as risk for cross contamination.
I am fairly certain it’s due to people lacking basic knowledge in infection control procedures and decontamination procedures.
In regards to sharing knowledge, people nowadays give away information so freely that it's expected to learn how to do do everything from the likes of UA-cam, I've said it before and i'll say it again, a proper accredited course would go a long way to helping people.
As for making tutorials etc, people don't understand that it's usually a hell of a lot of work, camera angles alone can push an ambitious person into giving up on the tutorial. But even if they do it and do it really well, they most likely won't recoup the money that they spent to make it, they will come under criticism no matter how professional they are because there is so many different techniques.
Lastly, people don't want the associated responsibility of making a full tutorial. If you do this day in day out, it's easy to overlook explaining why something is done or overlook showing a step because you didn't think it was important because it seems implied. Then people will come back and shout "Oh, this got infected and it's your fault!" Nobody wants to feel responsible for shitty tattoos, even if it's not in your control.
Who accredits it then???
@@SmokeBanshee A technical college or university depending on how it would be set up
Are you guys doing something in July at Wilmslow this year?
Yeah gonna be at the Cheshire Tattoo convention on 15th and 16th
It's more just about wanting better from these top teir manufacturers its not about it being unsafe. It's about making it better/safer than it is in its current form. If we just continue to accept the standard there won't be improvements. Cheyenne started this sealed system pen machine idea and so the rest followed along. Ya you can go buy something else that suits your needs but if people don't speak up about the changes they want to see then we get the same crap served to us over and over. I don't think you are hearing that I'm not saying they are unsafe, but they could use improvements, it could be better that's all I'm saying. Also instead of contacting only the 3 guys who make sealed systems ask ACUS m1 designers why they took such a different approach. Because they saw a way to improve what their previous employers Cheyenne are doing. Not required whatever. But it's better. It's not an opinion it's a fact one way is safer than the other not saying the old way is bad but there are new better ways of doing things. And we need to incourage this rather than defend outdated ways of doing things. I wonder why Paul prefers a machine he can take apart?
Sadly, we’ve found - over the last few years - that the majority of manufacturers simply aren’t interested in anyone’s feedback. They simply want to sell the product ‘as is’. That’s why I think the only option to show them that we won’t accept products that don’t meet our needs is to not buy them.
The product not selling is the only way they’ll look at making it better. I wish this was different but it just isn’t in our experience.
As for why I prefer machines I can strip down, I think something as mechanically simple as a tattoo machine should be user serviceable for life.
This is not only ecologically sound in a world that needs to start looking at the effects of rampant consumerism, it’s also a way of helping everyone understand their tools in a deeper way. - p
@@ThatTattooShow great answer 100%
People want to be reached but in the way that you have to transfer to them your knowledge as in matrix .. like if there is a kind of weird download plug and they will be good make money and be famous with no effort at all .. very few have the strength to endure the process of push themselves to the next step.. and the next.. and the next… after 10 years I still looking for my next step and I keep looking..
Currently faking it until I make it, no ones gonna show you how to make bangers and mash if your not willing to hold the hammer
I will truly never understand the “it was hard for us so it should be hard for you shit.” Like being poor, then you should truly know how hard it is and help when you are able. Hazing in college, child abusers abusing, the it was done to us, so it’s done to you mentality is absolute shite.
As always love the show guys, cheers.
Found you on Instagram and following now
That's awesome!!