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I had a close friend at school, his family were Genesis nuts, one of there group couldn't make it to Twickenham 2007 and they offered me the ticket, 14 years old, I was so excited, what an adventure, the gig blew my mind, I'll never forget it. To this day I can see that stage, even the people in front of me. Chester and Phil's duet was mind blowing, so glad i got to see them smashing it. Sadly I don't see those friends anymore but that gig will stay with me forever, Genesis will always take me to a happy place.
Grew up with Phil as the drummer and then when peter left and they added Bruford as the hired gun, i was blown away! Then, the next year, Chester who i also loved the Roxy n elsewhere album shows up as the hired gun, i almost man cried. It was a perfect fit for my favourite band. Missed Phil drumming all show but man, who knew he could front the vocals as well as he did!!
Perhaps on the new material, but the early songs, he never did them quite well enough. Just listen to Live 73 to hear how they sounded live with Peter. No contest.
I asked Chester at a clinic once what his three main band leaders expected of him. He said Zappa expected everything to be perfect- like orchestral music. Everything was as Frank expected. He said Zawinul wanted total creativity constantly- always be soloing and interacting, and never the same. He said with Phil and Genesis he was there to serve the music of those groups and basically fill Phil’s role. I’m sure there was some improvisation, but the music was the music.
They are generational talents. I really hope they can mend fences because life is short. I loved watching their duets. We will never see the likes of that again.
Been to several of Chester Thompsons drum clinics thanks to Terry Wion at Ace Music years ago. In fact, I was able to meet Phil with Chester introducing me to him through Terry and Chesters friendship. Great bunch of guys and mentors, forever grateful for those moments! I still have Chesters autographed photo and Genesis album cover, and have both sets of thier sticks in my collection... Wonderful years of memories!
Watched the pair of them play together at Earls Court in 1994 Genesis We Can’t Dance tour and they had the entire audience hypnotised and honestly stunned by their skills and awesome dexterity and I’m very glad to have been there, thanks again Mr Uploader of your wonderful channel and please keep it coming Sir. 🥁🎤🎺🎧
I’m mostly focused on their duet mid concert and the incredible affect they had upon our behaviour in the audience, unbelievable music that was just never to be heard from again and we all knew that fact which made the whole duration of their performance together even more magical..😂👏🥁
It’s interesting how many times I’ve had discussions on line or even in the ‘real world’ and praised Phil’s drumming,( I’m not a drummer, although I have programmed beats and been lucky enough to work and compose with fantastic real drummers), and they’re almost a little shocked that I could rate him ‘so’ highly….. until you drop the quotes of other world class drummers,( often their heroes), and what they have said about him, and suddenly they’re all like …. ‘I should probably check him out’. Precisely, … if you haven’t even bothered to listen to him then don’t comment. Same as the other half of his rhythm section … Rutherford. Fuckin insane player.
Phenomenal line of questioning sir. Phil’s sticks produced by Promark in the late 80s to early 90’s were in fact shorter than your average drumstick. Another question I’ve always wanted to ask him was how he did the drum bit of the tom crash tom crash (usually simultaneously hit or in beat) as part of the ending to “Against All Odds” and incorporated in a lot of his solo/Genesis work came about and how he developed it. Thank you for sharing!
I’m so glad I found him before I became a political being but I’m not going to let that affect my views or opinions on him change because his and his bandmates are a magical part of our young lives that can’t be surpassed. Thanks 🙏 🎺🎧🎚️☘️👏
@@joecancer6013 There's a list online with full details on each celebrity, ones which went to the island, ones for business and ones which were just contacts. Phil is listed thankfully just as a contact. Not everyone a pedophile knows is one themselves, thought that would be obvious. Rich people sometimes just like to meet other rich people and hangout and just meet. Doesn't always have to be for devilish things Besides, Courtney Love is in there too. She was one of the first to throw shit at Weinstein so I don't think this in itself means anything.
Thanks so much for this John As always, insightful but responsible and non pushy, you bring the best out in Phil and in all these docs you do Great to hear you again!
Before Genesis Phil Collins was a successful session drummer. Chester mentions Phil was self taught). The study (transcription of Genesis and Phil’s playing, including his technique which was represented in ‘Phil’s style’, was the foundation of Chester’s observations. CT was emphatic Phil and he hit it off from the ‘Go’. The drummer will use, the sticks, mallets, brushes etc for the music and situation. Stick weight & length will be more to personal taste / technique [sticking and style]. The interview process seems boarding on confrontational? The line about kids sticks, very funny 🤣 Well taken Phil ✊
Love both theses dudes, Phil and Chester. When Mr.Collins said he wanted to put the funk into Genesis, when I listen to The Lamb, that's exactly what I feel, there's so much groove and funk in that album starting with obviously, Fly on a Windshield. And should you be curious about Chester's jazz drumming you must check out Air Pocket and their album Fly On, super heavy changes and delightful intricacies. And finally, Phil Chester I hope you've made up and are now friends again, dumb to squander a deep friendship.
Thought Phil might have mentioned he had actually asked Simon Phillips first to join Genesis but Simon was contacted to the Jack Bruce band so he had decline Phil's offer. So Chester got the gig. Genesis
Compaired to standard length/average drumsticks andthe average length on most pro players signature sticks, Collions are about 1 inch short and thompsons about 1" long, they are at the 2 extremes. about as far apart as you would find in signature sticks.
Why do they refer to Chester and Daryl as "American" drummer/guitarists all the time? You don't see people referring to Phil and Mike as British musicians.🙃
actually, if you look at the Chester interview, he goes into detail about trying to drum like a British drummer and it was his take away from being in Genesis, to finally be able to drum like a British drummer.
Well I hope chester got paid well..after dedicating most his career playing Phil's music...ive noticed the look on his face...alot of the music is emotional..its just a shame..thats all
I understood from Phil that they did talk privately in 2014 shortly before this interview. It was obvious there was sensitivity about it. I didn't feel it was necessary to go there for the purpose of this filming, which was a very broad brush mainly covering the 1980s,90s.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES I'm hoping things are better between them now (and either way, at least it's not as feudal as the Waters/ Gilmour situation, which I'm sure it's not!)
11:50 I think that's Mike joining in, he's such a diplomatic chap! Hasty edit : On listening again it's not him- I'm hearing Giles Martin (vocally similar, but probably not him!!)
@@scrambabathat’s correct, in recent interviews, Chester has said they haven’t spoken in years and he doesn’t really know what happened, he believes Phil’s declining health may be the issue or his personal problems which really escalated after these interviews as did Phil’s declining health.
we all would have loved to control Phil to our own ends but he was far too busy back in the day. He was a workaholic. I wish he had stuck to being the PC of early Genesis but he did enough
It's tough to have two drummers in a band unless you start out on world tours with large stages. Local bands playing in bars don't have room for two drummers to set up. Where would a band like that even play?
@@codersexpo1580 First of all it's no secret that he was a self admitted alcoholic for years and you can see the damage it's done to him physically. If you want to know the exact damage I suggest you read up on what alcoholism does to you and then you will see the signs yourself.
No you cant. Youre just trying to sound educated on youtube. 90% of long term alcohol effects are with blood/cholesterol, organs & digestive. None of which could you tell by looking at somebody for a few minutes. He looks normal. Dont be a 🤡
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Long live Chester, by all appearances a reserved and low-key professional of the highest order. Really enjoy(ed) his work.
Sir Chester and sir Darrell held my band together . thank you both !
I had a close friend at school, his family were Genesis nuts, one of there group couldn't make it to Twickenham 2007 and they offered me the ticket, 14 years old, I was so excited, what an adventure, the gig blew my mind, I'll never forget it. To this day I can see that stage, even the people in front of me. Chester and Phil's duet was mind blowing, so glad i got to see them smashing it. Sadly I don't see those friends anymore but that gig will stay with me forever, Genesis will always take me to a happy place.
He's got such a genuine smile. You can tell he loves what he does and it shows. God Bless him with his physical issues.
Grew up with Phil as the drummer and then when peter left and they added Bruford as the hired gun, i was blown away! Then, the next year, Chester who i also loved the Roxy n elsewhere album shows up as the hired gun, i almost man cried. It was a perfect fit for my favourite band. Missed Phil drumming all show but man, who knew he could front the vocals as well as he did!!
Perhaps on the new material, but the early songs, he never did them quite well enough. Just listen to Live 73 to hear how they sounded live with Peter. No contest.
I asked Chester at a clinic once what his three main band leaders expected of him. He said Zappa expected everything to be perfect- like orchestral music. Everything was as Frank expected. He said Zawinul wanted total creativity constantly- always be soloing and interacting, and never the same. He said with Phil and Genesis he was there to serve the music of those groups and basically fill Phil’s role. I’m sure there was some improvisation, but the music was the music.
I love Phil, all my life, and I love listening to him talk about what he does... very interesting, thanks
Despite all of Phil’s success as a singer, songwriter, composer, etc. one of my favorite drummers of all time. Such an icon.
This is about the third time I’ve listened to this & it never disappoints. Thanks John
Any other suggestions for similar channels Sir?
Four sticks, three chairs, two drummers, and one objective, making magic.
They are generational talents. I really hope they can mend fences because life is short. I loved watching their duets. We will never see the likes of that again.
Great drummer. Among the top 10 ever.
Been to several of Chester Thompsons drum clinics thanks to Terry Wion at Ace Music years ago. In fact, I was able to meet Phil with Chester introducing me to him through Terry and Chesters friendship. Great bunch of guys and mentors, forever grateful for those moments! I still have Chesters autographed photo and Genesis album cover, and have both sets of thier sticks in my collection... Wonderful years of memories!
I've seen Genesis 5 times since the early 80's and have still to this day been the best shows of of my life!
Watched the pair of them play together at Earls Court in 1994 Genesis We Can’t Dance tour and they had the entire audience hypnotised and honestly stunned by their skills and awesome dexterity and I’m very glad to have been there, thanks again Mr Uploader of your wonderful channel and please keep it coming Sir. 🥁🎤🎺🎧
I’m mostly focused on their duet mid concert and the incredible affect they had upon our behaviour in the audience, unbelievable music that was just never to be heard from again and we all knew that fact which made the whole duration of their performance together even more magical..😂👏🥁
It’s interesting how many times I’ve had discussions on line or even in the ‘real world’ and praised Phil’s drumming,( I’m not a drummer, although I have programmed beats and been lucky enough to work and compose with fantastic real drummers), and they’re almost a little shocked that I could rate him ‘so’ highly….. until you drop the quotes of other world class drummers,( often their heroes), and what they have said about him, and suddenly they’re all like …. ‘I should probably check him out’.
Precisely, … if you haven’t even bothered to listen to him then don’t comment.
Same as the other half of his rhythm section … Rutherford. Fuckin insane player.
Great interview, I love listening to Phil talk...thank you!! 🥁🎤🎶
Phenomenal line of questioning sir. Phil’s sticks produced by Promark in the late 80s to early 90’s were in fact shorter than your average drumstick. Another question I’ve always wanted to ask him was how he did the drum bit of the tom crash tom crash (usually simultaneously hit or in beat) as part of the ending to “Against All Odds” and incorporated in a lot of his solo/Genesis work came about and how he developed it. Thank you for sharing!
Great interview. Watched lots of your Genesis and Phil Collins interviews. Thanks John.
Thank you for uploading this. Very much like the story here!
Primo material John. I always wondered if Phil ever talked about his tambourine dance routine idea? Another fun moment along with the drum duets.
Adding Chester was a great move.
What a smile! Phil's a real trooper. 'Very easy to get on with' ... You did very well to discuss this aspect of Genesis with him. Thanks for sharing.
I’m so glad I found him before I became a political being but I’m not going to let that affect my views or opinions on him change because his and his bandmates are a magical part of our young lives that can’t be surpassed. Thanks 🙏 🎺🎧🎚️☘️👏
@@DaveSCameronI liked Genesis and Phil, until he went with Epstein
@@joecancer6013 There's a list online with full details on each celebrity, ones which went to the island, ones for business and ones which were just contacts. Phil is listed thankfully just as a contact. Not everyone a pedophile knows is one themselves, thought that would be obvious. Rich people sometimes just like to meet other rich people and hangout and just meet. Doesn't always have to be for devilish things
Besides, Courtney Love is in there too. She was one of the first to throw shit at Weinstein so I don't think this in itself means anything.
@@DaveSCameron "before I became a political being" ie. "before I became a raving Trot" in other words
First! I appreciate these so much Mr. Edgington!
Thank you. Fantastic
Thanks so much for this John
As always, insightful but responsible and non pushy, you bring the best out in Phil and in all these docs you do
Great to hear you again!
Before Genesis Phil Collins was a successful session drummer. Chester mentions Phil was self taught). The study (transcription of Genesis and Phil’s playing, including his technique which was represented in ‘Phil’s style’, was the foundation of Chester’s observations. CT was emphatic Phil and he hit it off from the ‘Go’.
The drummer will use, the sticks, mallets, brushes etc for the music and situation. Stick weight & length will be more to personal taste / technique [sticking and style]. The interview process seems boarding on confrontational? The line about kids sticks, very funny 🤣 Well taken Phil ✊
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Who'd have thunk it? Chester had a longer stick than Phil, but Phil hits it harder!
When was this fantastic interview recorded?
2014
I’ve often wondered how the years would’ve transpired if Bill Brufford had carried on
Love both theses dudes, Phil and Chester. When Mr.Collins said he wanted to put the funk into Genesis, when I listen to The Lamb, that's exactly what I feel, there's so much groove and funk in that album starting with obviously, Fly on a Windshield.
And should you be curious about Chester's jazz drumming you must check out Air Pocket and their album Fly On, super heavy changes and delightful intricacies. And finally, Phil Chester I hope you've made up and are now friends again, dumb to squander a deep friendship.
Thought Phil might have mentioned he had actually asked Simon Phillips first to join Genesis but Simon was contacted to the Jack Bruce band so he had decline Phil's offer. So Chester got the gig. Genesis
Compaired to standard length/average drumsticks andthe average length on most pro players signature sticks, Collions are about 1 inch short and thompsons about 1" long, they are at the 2 extremes. about as far apart as you would find in signature sticks.
I've seen your face before, my friend, but I don't know if you know who I am
Why do they refer to Chester and Daryl as "American" drummer/guitarists all the time? You don't see people referring to Phil and Mike as British musicians.🙃
actually, if you look at the Chester interview, he goes into detail about trying to drum like a British drummer and it was his take away from being in Genesis, to finally be able to drum like a British drummer.
Well I hope chester got paid well..after dedicating most his career playing Phil's music...ive noticed the look on his face...alot of the music is emotional..its just a shame..thats all
Did he say he didn't want to talk about the fall out, or did you just not want to go there?
I understood from Phil that they did talk privately in 2014 shortly before this interview. It was obvious there was sensitivity about it. I didn't feel it was necessary to go there for the purpose of this filming, which was a very broad brush mainly covering the 1980s,90s.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES I'm hoping things are better between them now (and either way, at least it's not as feudal as the Waters/ Gilmour situation, which I'm sure it's not!)
11:50 I think that's Mike joining in, he's such a diplomatic chap! Hasty edit : On listening again it's not him- I'm hearing Giles Martin (vocally similar, but probably not him!!)
It’s Graham - my wonderful cameraman who’s also a musician.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Ah, thank you for the clarification John. And for all these uniquely insightful videos of course.
Chester said he got the blame for this and that
🆒caT!!...💙🎯💯🌎✌🏽😇..(RoCK ON!...🤘🏽)
Chester spent 30 years in Genesis as a touring drummer, but he had a falling out with Phil Collins in 2010 and they haven't spoken since.
Not according to Phil. He told me he called Chester shortly before this interview in 2014
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIESNot sure if it was 2014 or whenever, but Chester himself says that they haven‘t spoken in years, if I recall correctly.
@@scrambabathat’s correct, in recent interviews, Chester has said they haven’t spoken in years and he doesn’t really know what happened, he believes Phil’s declining health may be the issue or his personal problems which really escalated after these interviews as did Phil’s declining health.
we all would have loved to control Phil to our own ends but he was far too busy back in the day. He was a workaholic. I wish he had stuck to being the PC of early Genesis but he did enough
It's tough to have two drummers in a band unless you start out on world tours with large stages. Local bands playing in bars don't have room for two drummers to set up. Where would a band like that even play?
Too bad they dont speak to each other anymore...
Really, sad to hear about this…😊
@TVGuy729 I understood from Phil that they did talk privately in 2014 shortly before this interview.
Can’t swing Collins subs a jazz drummer to play for him.
Bit forward of the cameraman there interjecting. How dare he. Although, could have a point?
hee hee.
You can tell Phil has drank a lot of alcohol in his life.
How? How can you tell?
@@codersexpo1580 First of all it's no secret that he was a self admitted alcoholic for years and you can see the damage it's done to him physically. If you want to know the exact damage I suggest you read up on what alcoholism does to you and then you will see the signs yourself.
No you cant. Youre just trying to sound educated on youtube. 90% of long term alcohol effects are with blood/cholesterol, organs & digestive. None of which could you tell by looking at somebody for a few minutes. He looks normal. Dont be a 🤡
Epstein client
Yup - you can see the regression in motor skills, eye contact, taking. I just lost my 44 year old boss to it. Same changes.