I think the Sheriff’s Office and the Indiana State Police were investigating. I don’t know about the SO, but the ISP has very rigorous training in many areas. I definitely agree, despite this, the investigation doesn’t seem to have been up to par. Perhaps corruption within Delphi?
Especially when the fbi offered their services but were declined by city officials. Why is that?? Free resources so why not let them get involved. Sus to me
Maybe the city officials with the power to decline the FBI’s help were conspiracy fans, ie. “the FBI is part of the deep state but the Indiana State Police are our boys!” We know how wide this conspiracy theory is. Trump is nominating people in his cabinet who gladly accept some form of a conspiracy theory. If people think American justice is flawed now just wait for the day after Inauguration. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
They also didn't do a height analysis from the video. It would have given a height within a few inches, which wouldn't help their case, but could've eliminated RA as Bridge guy.
I knew when they brought this guy to public he did it - not then I heard he had a limp hearing this anyone knows you exercise to fix a limp. I then asked in comments in one of the pods if he ever hurt his leg before this was told yes I knew than it was him .
I wonder what Dr Grande makes of Dr Wala, who was a true crime addict and following the case on the internet - but also treating Mr Allen. The existence of a white van in the area was widely discussed on the internet, it was really not a secret "only known to the killer". The guy who supposedly drove the white van changed his story several times - his final version appeared after a last minute "chat" with the police. To suggest Allen was in solitary confinement a short time is a little misleading, he was there for 13 months, even when guidelines said prisoners should not be held in solitary for more than 30 days. Allen also said he was "losing his mind", and made obviously false confessions such as killing people who do not exist (he has no grand kids), and it appears he was not faking - and yet we are supposed to cherry pick only those of his "confessions" that are convenient to the prosecution? Allen also had discovery from the case, including the detail of the unspent round. The whole case stinks frankly, there is no way this conviction is justified beyond reasonable doubt. I'm not even sure Allen is "probably" guilty - so much of the evidence was adapted to fit Mr Allen. I fear we have just convicted someone mental vulnerable - but not the killer. It appears the state is rewarded for torturing a man into a confession.
He wasn't t*rtured. You need to stop throwing words like that around willynilly or they lose their meaning. He had to be kept somewhere that he wouldn't be harmed by others, he also had to be kept somewhere that he could have suicide watch and able to see a psychiatric doctor every day. That is not t*rture, this is how a lot of people's who are being charged with high profile s*x offences or m*rder have to be kept for safty. It's as if you don't know what the word t*rture means. Furthermore, if this was the police just wanting to pinnthe case on someone there where much more attractive choices for that.
Agreed! Also wasn't there hair found at the crime scene that was never tested? And another person has pretty much confessed to it...I think his last name is Warren or something. Also there was trail cams that was never examined. Such a sad case.
Kegan Klein was also a suspect for a long time, he had been messaging one of the girls on Snapchat about meeting up on the same day they went missing. Investigators proceeded to find tons of CP on his devices.
Even if he is guilty, this judge has put this case in doubt for the rest of time because of the lack of transparency. This is America, we deserve to know the evidence and the results of all investigation
Not sure how I feel about people losing their lives due to "meh evidence". I almost think I'd rather see a guilty person go free due to lack of evidence than an innocent person die due to "Well I mean it kind of applies" evidence.
At last, I found reasonable people who understand why we care so much about this man. It could be any of us or loved ones! Conviction must be reversed on appeal!
In order for Rick Allen to see the van at 2:27 pm (the earliest possible time Brad Weber could have arrived home), he either had to still be in that area where they all stepped off the bridge, or he had to be down the hill on the road-side of the bridge. The road is not visible from the other side of the bridge. I think it was very challenging for the defense to communicate the topography of that area, the field of view from all the locations mentioned, and the distances between various locations and how difficult they were to traverse. The area where the bodies were found is north of the creek, about a half mile from where Allen would have had to be in order to see the van in the road. It is rough terrain. 65 feet under the bridge. Across a creek. Up a steep embankment. And yet the phone is already there at 2:32 pm. Because that is when it stops recording movement, according to the state’s case. How did the jury ignore that evidence? Five minutes at the very most to travel a half mile of rough terrain with two hostages and put the phone down on the ground. I doubt it. I reasonably doubt it. I doubt the hell out of it.
Yes the road is visible from where RA forced the girls to undress to sexually assault them. After seeing the van, he forced them acrossed the creek and killed them. Have you watched Gray Hughe's timeline? It shows where the girls clothes were found, where the road is visible, where RA spotted the van. There were no leaves on the trees. It's not unlikely that a van could be seen driving by in the distance. Watch Gray Hughe's timeline. The topoography litterally is NOT that difficult. They went down one hill to a flat trail. His exit route leading to the cemetary, had one hill to get out. There are videographers who took the suspected route. They did it with some effort, but definately not impossible. Think of the adreneline this PIG was opperating on while sexually assaulting and murdering two kids. He was not emaciated at the time.
I don't know if he is guilty or not, if I was on the jury I certainly could not rule out reasonable doubt. The whole case was a mess, and a lot was excluded by the judge for testimony. If this is what a jury consists of in this day and age, I would probably choose a bench trial. Although in this case, the judge is sorely lacking as well, IMO.
What reasonable doubt?? What pieces of verifiable, concrete evidence (not conspiracy theories) can you provide that you actually think the jury that sat through the entirety of the case/evidence missed?? I’d love to hear this. 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
@catserver8577 You've examined everything but didn't listen to clips of his voice? It's identical to BG ffs! We've known this since the arrest. People in the court (including the jury) heard his voice in those recorded jail calls, and know it's his voice. Wake up. You're one of these true crime Karen's, waiting on a movie ending. It's real life.
The amount of evidence not allowed in the trial was staggering, chief of which was the prosecution’s motion to not allow in geofencing data that the judge granted.
@@deeges9098the odinist stuff is such a joke, introduced by the defense to muddy the waters. Odinisim is a nature worshipping based spiritual belief, there are some white supremacy groups that use Nordic symbols but they're not running around sacrificing kids.
@@julez8053Elvis fields asking the police "If my spit is found on one of the girls but I could explain it, would it be okay?". Also Brad holder telling his wife that Patrick Westfall killed abby
My wife doesn't understand "dry humor" and asked me why I watched Dr. Grande. I told her sometimes he cracks me up. She asked me how? Couldn't explain.
@@brollins1952 it's no big deal if she never gets it; like, [dry]humour is subjective, right? I reckon the best explanation you could give your wife might be something like "His use of sarcasm is not frequent and therefore it both subverts my expectation (because he is so clinical at almost all times,) and I find myself in cathartic affirmation with his insights/assessments" (I am not, nor will I ever be, married..so, maybe don't take advice from me about explaining things to a spouse 😵💫)
@@kwesmichalak9742never say never. I'm 51 years old and swore to myself I'd never be married. Then one day I met the woman I've been searching for my entire life. I even told her in the beginning I didn't wanna ever get married and she was ok with it. Within a month I knew. So 2 months ago I proposed. She was shocked and elated and I couldn't be happier. So don't give up my man. One day you'll find your person you were meant for.
The witnesses did not indicate the person they saw was similar height to Rick. They all mentioned someone tall while Rick is around 5'5". Just wanted to fact check that particular detail.
I followed the trial on the Indiana news channel. The trial/case feels like it has a lot of things left out of it, things never fully or convincingly explained. I highly doubt the jury would have convicted him if they had not heard him on the prosecutions, cherry-picked videos giving those [confessions]. [ He also confessed that he killed his parents, but they weren't killed, he confessed he killed his grandchildren, but he has no grandchildren.] The state never showed any compelling physical evidence that the defense couldn't show factual problems with. I hope they convicted the right man, but I'm far from being sure about it. I'm expecting there to be an appeal.
@@thehotcoffeehouse6081one theory was that since he has dependent personality disorder, and I think someone close to him had recently experienced something that stressed him out, like his mother or his wife, that shook him and his dependence or abandonment issues, and without having anywhere to go with those feelings, took it out on the girls. That was on either hidden true crime or Andrea Burkhart's channel, im not sure. (I am unsure how I feel about his innocence or guilt, I am just reporting the one theory that I heard that sounds like it has some merit...whether or not it's true is up to each person to decide for themselves)
And don't forget the 70 days of interviews and interrogations were recorded over and deleted... The officer in charge of that walked away from the stand smirking and laughing. Look up Jesse Snider case.
@@sueg7174no what confused the case was the defense making him out to be the victim. If you watch the video on the Plunder channel, you will see the real Allen. It was essentially a Casey Anthony defense poor Casey was abused. It doesn't change the fact that he was wearing the same clothes as Bridge guy had on that day He admitted what he wore those clothes.He also parked his car in backward to obscure his tag.. He only came forward after a police press conference shared a picture of BGuy nd said they were looking for him and would find him. The guys a monster. 3/4 of the way on the video you will hear his voice clearly. He snaps at his wife to sit up Hes no victim he was mentally I'll before he went to prison.
I wholeheartedly agree that the victim was brave for videoing Richard. Though this is a weird case... And I have one question, is Bridge Guy 100% the killer? I agree if I was to apply Occam's Razor; he absolutely is the killer, but just because a guy walks through a shot of someone's film, does it mean it's impossible for anyone else to be around who may have committed this heinous crime?
1. Bridge Guy was described as tall, young, and had curly hair by a witness as well. 2. The unspent cartridge was only made to match by firing it. The expert couldn't get the ejector marks to match otherwise. 3. Allen made most, not all, but most of his confessions while being given Haldol during psychosis. 4. The owner of the white van changed his story for his timeline. 5. Guilty or not, Allen's constitutional rights were 100% violated by Judge Francis C. Gull's blatant bias of this case.
If I may, MamaPinks... 6. Not one out of 70,000+ tips named Richard Allen. 7. There was hair and DNA on each of the victims, but the police did not have it tested, because, as Det. Jerry Holeman testified, they figured it belonged to Liberty's sister and 'they did not have a female suspect". 8. Not one witness that day described Richard Allen, nor was he identified in court as Bridge Guy" 9. There has been no DNA or physical evidence tying Richard Allen to this crime. There was DNA at the site, but recall, LE declined to test it. Or lost it. 10. Given the State's timeline, from being halfway across MHB to the time BG was seen on the road near his car, was 19 minutes. 11. Richard Allen was presumed 'guilty' from Day 1, as he was sent straight to prison (for his own safety, they say), held in solitary confinement, in the most appalling conditions, then injected with Haldol. 12. Richard Allen's jail psychologist was fired after it was discovered that she was fangirling on Delphi YT channels in her spare time and may have suggested to Allen some of the things she heard about online, that he later confessed to. 13. Richard Allen was not given the presumption of innocence as is afforded all Americans - and, at a minimum, his Civil Rights were violated. The police was work so questionable and the evidence so lacking - there is nothing BUT Reasonable Doubt.
Richard Allen also confessed to killing his wife and his daughter (both still very much alive). There was NO DNA found on him from the girls and vice versa which would seem impossible
@@tcreative8030 Sorry, what of the five points mentioned by the OP is a conspiracy theory? They are just stating facts as they came out at trial. Sheriff candidate Mullin admitted that none of the witnesses description matched Allen, the expert in firearms said that after cycling the cartridge three times, she did not get any marks, and she needed to fire the cartridge to receive the markings (also, that two more firearms had "non conclusive" tests. Point number 3 has been confirmed by pshychologists. Point number 4 came out from comparison between transcripts given 5 months ago and direct questioning at trial. Not sure about point 5, for sure the judge denied a few points by the defense.
Dr Grande, I really hope you see this. I would really like to hear your thoughts. First of all he didn't go to the cops as a way to get ahead of anything, the police asked for anyone who had been on the trails that day to come forward and give statements. He had told his wife that he was on the trail that day and she encouraged him to go in and give a statement just in case he'd seen something without realizing it. He was convicted of murder because he was a good samaritan. As for that van, when they first interviewed the owner of the van in 2017, he said that he was nowhere near that area until later in the evening because he had gone to take care of some ATM machines after leaving his first job. Then suddenly 7 years later the lead investigator calls the owner of that van and suddenly he comes forward to change his statement. Yeah that's not fishy. Lastly, the guy on the bridge is estimated to be 5'8" or taller. Richard Allen is 5' 4" And you did kind of mention the cartridge, but they could not match it to his gun until they fired it. Then they got a little tiny bit closer and could kind of maybe sorta match it up. That's an absolutely insane way to handle evidence, it's comparing apples to oranges, and it shouldn't have even been allowed. Lastly, did you know that someone confessed? They said that their DNA would be found on the body, he also confessed to his sister who was given a polygraph and she passed. So because the judge excluded a third party culprit theory, the defense was prevented from talking about it. It's not just that one, there are many others who have far more connection to the girls and their murders. Like for example, one of them had an internet boyfriend who she was going to meet at the bridge that day. They texted the night before and finalize their plans. But why isn't anyone talking about these things? It's horrifying that he was found guilty. It's literally a travesty. 😢
@@islesofshoals3551 and he described the crime scene and explained why two sticks were place above Abby's head to look like antlers. I don't think he was the murderer but he was there during the murders.
100% agree. RA was railroaded for sure. Elvis Fields was there and described the crime scene. Elvis implicated Odinists (as well as himself) but his witness testimony was not accepted. WHY NOT?
The law is a farce and rigged. In the mid 90s, I got accused of discharging a firearm in the city limits. The cops came to my house yanked me out took me to jail, never read me right rights never even looked for a weapon, never tested my hands. The accuser found out he would have to face me in court and drop the charges. The state picked it up. They brought up me popping fireworks in the city limits as a young child and made me sound worse than Jeffrey dahlmer. John wayne gacy, richard ramirez, ted bundy, adolf hitler, combined. They even accused me of being a gang member. It was actually the accuser who fired the weapon, but that did not matter one bit. The felony got dropped to a misdemeanor. I have currently been in the Army 24 years now and that charge still pops up and follows me. If it would have stayed a felony, I would not have been able to join the Army.
There are a couple of things that really bother me about this case, and they all revolve around bias. The judge did not allow the defense to put on much of a defense, it seemed as though his guilt was a foregone conclusion. It made a mockery of innocent until proven guilty. RA was sent to a max security prison before conviction, ostensibly due to his mental health. That is unheard of. There are three other facilities in the area that are used for inmates with mental health problems, and RA should have gone to one of those. Solitary confinement in a maximum security prison for a pre-trial detainee is flat-out, freaking wrong. Again, it appears that his guilt was a foregone conclusion. His confessions are suspect and should be thrown out. There is no way to determine whether his confessions were the product of his psychosis or of his guilt. Prison officials, including the psychologist who treated him, believed he was faking psychosis, but the prison psychiatrist stated he believed the psychosis was real. RA was treated with high dose Haldol injections 2x, then with oral Haldol. They gave him Haldol either as a chemical restraint (totally unethical and possibly illegal) or to control his psychosis. If they didn't believe he was psychotic, they shouldn't have given him an anti-psychotic. They can't have it both ways. Since we cannot know for certain, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. There is a huge bias against prisoners. Prison staff always think the prisoners are faking it. Like the recent case of a charge nurse who ignored a jail inmate who complained of stomach pain. She refused to allow nursing staff to check on him, even to take his vitals. She decided he was faking and was looking for a ride to the ER and drugs. That man collapsed and died of a bleeding ulcer. But hey, they all fake it, all the time. Then there's the whole bs with the bullet casing. Tool mark analysis of unspent, cycled rounds has not been proven. It has just been accepted as fact without the burden of proof. Either prove it with a study of hundreds of firearms and a few thousand rounds, both unfired and fired, or don't use it in court. In this case, the examiner tested several firearms, and some of those were, like RA's P226, inconclusive, hence the test firing of RA's gun. What I'd like to know is, did the firearm examiner test fire any of other "inconclusive" guns? If so, what were results of that testing? Or, did she only test fire RA's gun? If she only test fired RA's gun, that's more evidence of bias. This case is full of bias and it's hard to see how RA received anything approximating a fair trial. He may be guilty, but if he's innocent it's a huge miscarriage of justice.
Totally agree, why would it be the guy the girls took a picture of shortly before being murdered? Craziness for sure. I don't think it was the Odin cult, but its offshoot, the Followers of Otis...
Agreed. The solitary confinement bit is the most disturbing. If he was suffering mental illness, (especially pre- conviction, when he's still technically innocent), why not send him to a high security mental institution? It seems that solitary confinement would be the literal worst thing you could do for someone's mental health, especially since it's considered literal torture in other parts of the world. To treat someone like this even before conviction is deeply concerning.
Great video. I shared it. There is way too much reasonable doubt in this case and I hope people are starting to pay attention to what has happened (and not happened) in this case.
Incredibly unprofessional of her. Granted, I’m not a psych provider/physician…but I’m in healthcare and there’s so many things wrong with this situation. Throw in solitary confinement, and Haldol (awful med)…and now here we are. 😩😡
She should have her medical license revoked for her disgusting behaviour in this case. Her testimony should have been excluded as it was highly biased and illegally gotten.
Its obvious it was him. He matches the description of the man in the video, they found a bullet chambered through his gun at the crime scene. It could only have been him and no one else.
I believe he told the police he was at Monon High Bridge and the trail between 1:30 - 3:30 because he saw at least 3 witnesses that he knew had seen him, while he was there.
He said he was there between noon & 1:30 but Dan Dulin the conservation officer changed the times on his report. Law enforcement changed & fabricated facts to fit their narrative, & flat out lied on the stand & under oath. LE in Carroll Co., IN have beem doing it for years. Check out the Jesse Snider case... same cast of characters doing the same thing. Where is the oversight & accountability?
Not one of those 3 girls testified in court,Emily Collier was arrested before RA by one Dan Dulin, the corrupt wildlife cop,probably in a move to discredit her? With 14 deaths surrounding this case, it's not hard to frighten those who might expose the actual truth...the guilty had a celebration dinner post verdict,with Becky and Mike Patty...goes to prove,you can get away with murder in the 2020's?
Oh...if RA got home at 11.30am in his wife's black Ford Focus, grabbed a jacket,got in his own SILVER Ford 500,drove to Wilson Bridge (shortest route), parked down there where he met Emily Collier and the 2 girls,how would it take him TWO HOURS to get there? He was there just before midday, left at 1.30pm...Focus GPS will confirm the time it arrived at Whiteman Drive... More evidence ignored, as it didn't fit the narrative!
Yes, but whoever it was out there came prepared, a gun/a sharp weapon. Out for a stroll in these isolated woods during the day and following little girls, as if there wasn't some other place for a safe, protected nature walk w/families or parents w/children there too. Were these girls seen earlier in RA's store; who knew they would be there, and totally unprotected besides whoever dropped them off? RA is the guy on the cellphone, why would anyone not think that?!
He told the police because he saw himself in the BG image. He went to police almost immediately after the pic was released. His fan club love leaving that part out.
@JaneMiller0101 made up evidence... corruption his huge in that town.. this is not the first life they wrongly ruined.. same officials investigators are known for corruption... look into the reckoning in carrol County.. they went out of there way to make up things and to ruin a veterans life.. .. why do you think the first judge pulled out of this trial... he already knows that he was convicting an innocent man.. don't know how these people sleep at night... karma is real tho
I love how you 20 people here that are 100% convinced one way or the other, when cameras were not allowed in the courtroom and there was weird stuff going on throughout this trial; the judge forcing the defense attorneys off the case after meeting with the prosecutor *alone* which should be grounds for a mistrial.
@@hardtakeoff the bum way to know 💯 is to see it with our own eyes, and we don’t. Therefore, jurors have to proceed on the totality of evidence. Circumstantial evidence is evidence, as well. I think they did their job.
@@fungrammacat The jury only recieved half of the evidence. The judge refused the defense evidence including phone data that showed other suspects at the bridge. You can't judge a case based on only half the facts and only one side. Thats what they did to the poor jury.
I don't put much weight on analysis saying a cartridge has been cycled through one certain firearm, unless it's somehow explicitly clear. This sort of testing often relies much on interpretation.
@@toolthoughts a crime specialist on DutyRon explains this differently. I listen to only podcasts that have specialists, journalists, etc. the ones that just listen to a tv clip and comment are not for me.
I thought RA only had one daughter. It wasn't proven that BG was the voice that directed the girls down the hill. BG attire is like uniform attire for that age group in Delphi. RA Was held in solitary confiment for 13 months. Actually, in order to be BG RA need it to be SIX inches taller. The Judge was completely bias. Didn't allowed exculpatory evidence, third party theory & give the defense ZERO money for experts. The mental health professional was following podcasters that believe RA was guilty & was feeding RA info on the podcasts. The Van info was all over SM. RA was set up. He didn't reach out to LE because he is NOT BG. NEVER talk to Police without a Lawyer.
No other man was dressed that way that day and at that time though. And I've heard his voice on wifes fb before she deleted it. She did that after down the hill audio was released....and it matched. They've got the right guy.
Mental health is hard to figure out. My mom was killed by her schizophrenic boyfriend when i was a toddler. He apparently had some signs of schizophrenia before the murder(hearing voices, violent outbursts) but was also a drug user. Before his trial, he asked a guard if he would get an easier sentence if he was found mentally incompetent, he was told yes, so during the trial, he would eat his feces, brush his teeth and hair with his feces, meow like a cat in court, etc. After he was found guilty, these behaviors stopped, so this is a sign he knew what he was doing. He committed over 60 prison infractions, including throwing hot oil on a random inmate, threatening to behead, rape and eat a guards family, using bodily fluids as weapons, and attempting suicide. The Bureau of Prisons punished him by GIVING HIM MAX GOOD TIME(WTF) and he was recently released after 30 years. My victim advocate, who was a former guard, said that him and others couldnt believe he was released early, but that "hes difficult do deal with" so the prison higher ups let him out. But its hard to tell if hes a drug addict, schizophrenic, just evil, or some combo of all three
@@5wisher5weet well, lots of the things dr grande said are not actually correct. Still a big fan of the channel, but they’re just not true. You could watch Andrea Burkhart. She is a defence lawyer that sat in the court every day and made copious amounts of hand written notes and then shared them on UA-cam every day because there were no videos or audio recordings allowed.
It was a simplistic survey of the trial and went very light on the incriminating evidence, which is what should be examined, not all the ridiculous theories out there about Odinism- oh yes, he confessed to throwing branches over them before he left to try to hide the bodies, which was a big thing. He confessed in detail about doing it with a box cutter and where he threw it away. The cops were lucky but justice was served, I dislike his cavalier attitude about those poor girls and that animal that killed them.
@@z0zRAMC 100% agree! Just like Judge Gull lots of defense was left out. I was taking notes & gave up then burst into laughter when he said LE needs to pay attention, like pot meet kettle.
@@lenasamzelius5530 hi there. It might help to watch Dr John Mathias who is a forensic psychologist. He has naught and knowledge on Richard Allen’s diagnosis and has very clear and interesting things to say. He and his wife cohost “hidden true crime”. His wife is a journalist. They aren’t sideliners who watch a clip and “analyze”. Not insinuating at all that this channel does.
I can't take a position or speculate from this, since it's too difficult to conclude anything from my position of ignorance-- but I will say that it seems likely that Mr. Allen suffered a serious psychological incident, and his confession is highly unreliable. A very thought-provoking episode, Dr. Grande, and thank you.
I’m pretty sure if I unalived two young girls, I’d be having a serious psychological incident. I was married to an out of control alcoholic for several years. He told the truth most often when he was having a psychological incident. I think Richard Allen was desperately trying to clear his conscience when he was confessing. I wish more people had just listened instead of telling him to “stop talking” “no, you didn’t” “they are messing with your head”.
@@fungrammacat You might be right. Two interpretations of his dramatic change in appearance could be given. As I said, I can't form an opinion. I don't know.
@Rebecca-hc5ju If he has a dependant personality, and serious case, then he would be so desperate to please his accusers that, yes, he would confess, and more than confess-- he'd volunteer extra details and even imaginary evidence. But I can't say. It's a sad story, either way.
He is either guilty or the least lucky person on earth. Timing of his visit to the bridge, his phone missing, dressed as bridge guy and 61 confessions all confabulated to make him guilty.
Exactly, HE placed himself at the scene... I think when someone is truly innocent of a crime they have been accused of, their overall story never changes, why would it... Unless, you are adding more details you couldn't remember the 1st time, but the main points always remain the same, OR, you are lying
He was being given Haldol when he confessed and been in solitary for months on end which is you're not supposed to due to how psychologically damaging it is to be in solitary more than a couple of weeks. He also admitted to killing his wife, daughter and grand child. The first two are still alive and he has no grand daughter.
Exactly! Try that with Larry Vallow or the Idaho suspect!!! Oh no wait! They have money and power in their communities, that would be detrimental to the state’s case, but we can allow it with the working class because we don’t have the resources to deserve any kind of respect and dignity. 😑
@@startledmilk6670I think he was guilty. This dude was an insane pyscho judging by his behavior in prison. I believe he knew his life was over and that he knew he killed them and it triggered a mental breakdown. The problem is that the investigation was botched from the start, and because of that, they nearly let the culprit get away through incompetence.
@@feliciadailey1171 Put your pitchfork down lady- he wasn't convicted yet. You can't put someone in a maximum security jail and solitary confinement just because you think they did it
@Lee-be3ku Well fortunately they got the right guy. Thankfully, he panicked after the 1st BG pic went public, and called the police and placed himself there wearing identical clothing. Also, he confessed 61 times (they can't all be down to mental illness).
We all need to be aware that RA was sent to prison before being convicted. We need to hold our judicial system and LE accountable to high standards of conduct. RA was convicted on emotions and not evidence.
he was sent to prison because they could not guarantee his safety in jail. child murderers/rapists are extremely hated by other inmates and this guy would be absolutely shredded if not put in solitary
3 minutes after posting & 62 views and 14 comments, why does that not surprise me ? Because it's a Dr. Grande video and We can't get enough ! Thanks Dr. G !!! Oh & Happy Holidays ! ❤
Apparently 30 different confessions throughout multiple months to multiple different people not withstanding the video footage, him admitting to being there, same clothing, the spent shell casing, etc. isn’t “beyond a reasonable doubt” because you heard a few internet conspiracy theories. 🤦🏼♂️
It'll come back and bite her I hope. Rumor has it that she's retiring soon. Sadly it may take years for RA to possibly get a retrial and before the withheld evidence gets presented.
Yup. Medical examiner also. Usually that's how corruption works. Cops medical examiner all the way up to governor.. which did happen in Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor. The case is referred to as the boys on the tracks.. took 35 years to prove corruption but they did it.. there's corruption of any other cases too also people get exonerated every single day after spending 20 years in jail for things they didn't do.
I definitely don’t feel good saying this guy is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It could go either way unfortunately with the evidence and issues with the case
@Jazzykatt23. They have to be "invited" that is true. But if you were faced with a crime of that magnitude, would you reject professional help with access to all resources imaginable?
Not noted here was that it is documented that he has been tortured by his guards while in custody and endured prolong periods in complete isolation. Also, the timeline is in error per the phone evidence. NONE of his DNA was at the crime scene (a knife was used) and that there is untested DNA that the police have. This is not justice for those girls, their families, nor society.
@@Ipetamlol no. He was in protective custody bc he would’ve been hurt or killed if he was amongst general population. He had access to tablet, food, visits and phone calls every day. He wasn’t tortured. Ridiculous
Yes! I appreciate all the critical thinking coverage the case is getting, but it seems like everyone not as familiar doesn't mention the Unknown DNA and 70+ untested hairs. Richard Allen was excluded as a contributor but they didn't bother to find out who else could be excluded or included? Fishy stuff...
Hey Dr. Grande, have you ever watched the channels, "Michelle Walks" or "Michelle after dark"? She has devoted much time to this case. She has made timelines and compared phone data which all makes it look like it was impossible that Richard did this. I think you are right, and we will never know for sure. An innocent man could be in jail, or not.
@@williamrae9954 Lawyer Lee, Bob Motta and Andrea Berkhart. All three lawyers. All three there for the trial every day. Watch all three, get different perspectives. Not the same as being there, but much better than nothing and much better than arm chair “experts”
i used to say that too and got plenty of attacks! I still kind of think he did it though. What I don't understand is, why would he call and admit to being there at the time of the murders?
@SueP-jg9vx that's the main thing that has me confused with this whole case. I really just don't see somebody guilty of the crime calling to put themselves near the crime
He wasn't in traditional solitary confinement, and he certainly wasn't tortured. He had daily visits with his doctor. He had a tablet (which he chose to break at one point) that gave him the ability to read books, watch shows, and play games. He was able to make phone calls (he made over 700 in a two year period). He was offered a TV, but declined the offer. He had food, which he also would refuse at times. The defense was able to do their job, but it's pretty hard to defend a guilty person.
Exactly! What was one of the girl's hands holding over 50 strands of her sister's hair that was torn out by the root? How can a grainy video of a man be a 'smoking gun'? Why was the type of weapon other than a sharp object noted as the murder weapon? Whose blood was used to draw a supposedly Druidic rune on a tree close to where the girls were found? How was not one single bit of Allen's DNA not found on the girls? None of the girls' DNA transferred into Allen's car? Allen doesn't seem like the type of guy that could have killed 2 young and able-bodied teen girls and covered up his evidence so completely. Too many things just don't add up and don't satisfy me.
They'll also find out that bullet evidence wasn't nearly as strong as it was portrayed. It's not nothing but definitely not something to be considered in isolation. The state really presented a weak case
That’s standard. Every defendant wants to say a third party did it. The prosecution has the burden to prove that the defendant did it, not that a third party didn’t do it. No judge lets a “third party did it” as a defense.
If his confession had 2 major, likely very memorable facts completely wrong, and the confession only came after torture, wouldn't it be very likely he didn't do it? Seems odd that a court would allow such a confession under mental duress like that when it's not even remotely accurate.
Many years ago, I was looking in the Yellow Pages for a business. Found the business: name, address, photo - the only thing missing was the PHONE NUMBER. I had to call 411 to get their number. Bottom line: the phone number WAS THERE. But it was so huge and ornate that my brain was not seeing it as useful information but as part of the overall design…. Are we missing something huge in this case????
And that is a good thing. No one is perfect, but at the very least we should all see kids as innocents deserving protection. At least we know that people like this do exist, so we can try to be vigilant.
Rather he's guilty or not, his rights were clearly violated which makes me think he will get out on appeal. Im Indiana born & raised. BG video looks like every other man in Indiana. I wish they would have done an analysis of BG height. Not one of the witnesses pointed at Richard Allen & said he's the guy they saw. I think Keegan Cline had something to do with this. I don't know what to think of Richard Allen. Those poor girls! 💔
Even if he is guilty this conviction needs to be thrown out and given an actual fair trial. He should have been allowed the 3rd party defense there was at least equal evidence for that as against him those sketches should have been allowed since they are in every other case in existence, that FBI agent should have been allowed to testify this whole case was a sham.
Exactly right. Most of us are not saying he's factually innocent beyond a reasonable doubt. We are saying he most definitely did not get a fair trial, and the evidence simply does not cross the "guilty beyond reasonable doubt" threshold. Unless or until he gets a fair trail, he should still be "innoncent" in the eyes of the law.
He confessed to his wife and mother before psychosis. They both wouldn't let him nor believed him even after he stated it by saying, "I wouldn't tell you that I did it if I didn't do it" and, "but I did it". I think that's what drove him to psychosis. The two closest people to him wouldn't allow him to.
@@jessicaschubach4174 he just kept wanting to know if they would still love him. He was concerned they wouldn’t. He has been diagnosed with some kind of attachment/rejection disorder.
Both of them disgust me. Especially the wife. She saw the video and knew that was her hubby. Then the audio was released and she knew that was his voice. She deleted her fb right after but I heard his voice on her fb videos. She probably washed his bloody clothes that night. To sleep beside him each night knowing he probably did it? She must be unwell.
I’ve always wondered how she couldn’t have known her husbands clothes, walk, voice. Must have known of any addictions? I honestly believe the jury connected his voice to BG and that clinched it. If anyone had involvement at all, I hope they discover it and prosecute them.
But those details were known by his psychologist who admitted under oath she shared info and theories from public Facebook and reddit discussions@nikimagelakis9085
He called the police and placed himself at the scene of the crime wearing the same clothing as the dude in the video a long time before he was arrested. You people trying to say he’s innocent are the kinda people that would let Casey Anthony walk free. How much more do you need, a selfie with the bodies my god
He wasn’t in isolation he had human contact daily and iPad so he could communicate with family He was given many things that is not normally in isolation He was in safe keeping And they successfully kept him safe and alive to stand trial and to be held accountable for his horrific crimes
@@nikimagelakis9085 I believe Richard Allen didnt start confessing anything until the police started giving him the paperwork with all of the details of the case. I dont know if hes guilty or innocent but it seems he didnt get a fair trial. The judge refused to allow a lot of evidence that may have helped his case.
Errors in police admin..... this happens SO much. I heard of another case where someone checked the box that cadaver dogs had been to the scene but they hadn't. The body was there the whole time. Buried right next to the house.
Was it ever disclosed why that clerk picked his file out of all the leads? Everything about this case was messed up! It seems odd that someone his age would suddenly do something so extreme. He hadn’t sexually assaulted, so why murder? That’s really extreme. And using a knife is odd too - especially with two of them. I don’t know. Ultimately, whether he did it or not, he hasn’t received fair treatment for two years now
Right. Why live a normal life until your 40s and then randomly kill two kids? And what's with those other strange confessions to murders that never happened? This case is bizarre and I don't know how anyone can feel good about the outcome.
@@MrDanny1145 The jury was very much uninformed. But even just looking at what they looked at, I couldn’t convict him. There was still too much doubt. They probably thought it was just safer to let it go to appeals
I Wish, The Mainstream Media Would Be As Thorough In Analyzing And Reporting Their Nonsense! Dr. Grande, You Deserve A Pay Raise, And Thank You, For Your Work!
Unlike the msm though, Dr Grande doesn't diagnose, only speculates, on what may be happening in a situation like this. Often the media publish opinion as fact.
Though a bullet isn’t the same thing as a cartridge, a lay-man would use these terms interchangeably and most novices do refer to a cartridge as a bullet. Using the term in this way by law enforcement is, in my opinion, a term that makes the object more understandable to the average adult, and therefore the jurors.
The judge is known for putting a gag order over and over on the case. Right now theres a gag order till the sentencing trial. My guess is another gag order will happen soon after that. They wont let this stuff become public
Hi. I can't emphasize enough how much I enjoy your videos; doctor. They just give my free time such a worth and value that can't be easily calculated. Thank you, and please keep them coming.
I was working as a producer in the media in the region when this happened. It absolutely broke my heart and the coverage gave me nightmares for months. I feel how you do. It was most likely him, but it’s not without doubt. I wish we had more proof besides his own admissions and a bunch of witness testimony that doesn’t really corroborate anything.
It's rare, but is happens, amazingly enough. I think the Green River killer was married & had a job painting trucks at the Kenworth factory (?) John Wayne Gacey, I believe, was also married & worked as a construction contractor (?)
The idea of profiling based on relationship status and employment is at a minimum flawed. If you think about the most notorious and/or prolific serial killers (Gary ridgway, Ted Bundy, Dennis Rader) all 3 had stable relationships and jobs. Rex heurman the suspected Long Island killer too has wife, children and steady job. But this whole thing is 50/50 because Richard Ramirez, son of Sam, Jeffrey dahmer and kobergher (if we believe he is guilty) just to name a few others were loners without steady partners or jobs. So in the end what good does looking at the relationship and job status does?
@@frankborsellino2885 agreed, they need to spend their time looking at other ways to find the criminal instead of wasting time, just looking at their job status and relationship. Sometimes that makes sense such as if the man or woman was having an affair, but in this case that doesn’t apply because it involves young teenagers, not a wife or husband.
@Mike-es2yg I don't remember details of the testing, but I believe it is disputed that manually ejected cartridges can be definitively matched to a specific gun.
In a community that small, there are many men fitting Richard Allen's description. He did place himself there, he did provide the evidence of seeing a van and the time correlated with his statement. The van was what did him in because it was not evidence given to the public. I hope the right guy is in jail but I am not sure.
@@NellsTravelKitchen But would Richard Allen know that? Or could someone have told him there was a sighting of a white van about 2:30? I doubt anyone would have given that info while he was in jail, all was taped. I don't think he could access the sites where the murders were being discussed.
@@calykoo69 The only thing I can really believe is that Odinism has nothing to do with these murders. I do question how RA kept both girls kidnapped w/o help.
At 8:02 you mention that "Richard does not match the typical profile of someone who could commit the type of crime involved in this case". I instantly thought of the case of "David Russell Williams (born March 7, 1963) a Canadian serial rapist, murderer and former colonel in the Royal Canadian Air Force" (Wikipedia). He also did not have "a profile of someone who could commit the type of crime involved". I rarely quote The Bible, however, it applies in this case: 1 Peter 5:8. King James Version. "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour". These young girls ventured beyond the security of their loved ones.
The were several men that were so called , outstanding citizens of their church and stable relationship with their wife and children that also did things similar to this so you can’t rule them out just because of this.
Dr. Grande is still correct. Williams and Richard are BOTH exceptions to the general rule that the type of people that do commit crimes such as these do have criminal histories, troubled youths, substance abuse problems, and tend to be loners without too many strong connections with friends and family.
Why would any parent let their young daughter, and her younger friend walk alone in the woods, isolated and unwatched at any time of the day? Were the victims set up? The 13th of the month is an important date for certain groups of people, is it not? "Dropping off" these children to walk alone where families don't seem to go, and lone men are definitely known to do it seems very suspicious to me. And what was RA doing out and about in the woods by himself w/o fishing gear, but just wandering to exactly where the crimes happened? In the picture shown here of the bridge, the second one, a person seems to be shown on the tracks in the distance. The parent (s?) must have been stupid that day, of all days.
Thank you for covering this case. The fact that the trial was not televised, gives a feeling of being unsure, that the right person has been found guilty. There is no real evidence against him, apart from what he said, himself. Putting himself there, telling the police he had similar clothing, and the confessions. I think if the public had been able to see the trial every day, we could have understood it better.
Most countries don't televise trials. One reason is to maintain the intervenientes anonymous and protected, another is to not turn it into a public circus (which happens a lot in the US). The trial is not for you do decide whether or not he is gulty, it's for the jury to decide.
@@susanam.826agreed that is common other places. However as Americans we believe in the right to a public trial. It is a function of oversight of our elected officials. Gulls actions make this even more important.
@@susanam.826 spot on. The USA has got it very wrong. Every aspect of the justice system is politicised. In an ideal system, details of a trial should be released only after a conviction. An ongoing trial should be protected to ensure the integrity of the system. Fact - the USA has the highest rate of wrongful conviction among comparable democracies.
The "guilty in reality, but not beyond a reasonable doubt" thing just seems like a cop out to me; it allows people to acknowledge the troubling aspects of the case, including the shifty evidence, while still giving them the consolation of believing the right party was ultimately caught and punished. If Allen is guilty, how does that square with the inaccurate confessions? Or the fact there was apparently activity at the crime scene after he would've left? Or the fact eyewitness testimonies appear to disagree? Or that he doesn't appear to fit the profile?
This entire case is so bizarre to me.. all I wish for is that these beautiful young angels, Abigail and Liberty, got the justice they so insanely deserve. Rest in peace babies.
I find the plugging in of the headphone jack to one of the girls phones to be the most exonerating thing in this case for Richard. If the court believe he wasn't there doing that, who was? It's as if someone is watching back on the girl's phone what she has recorded, to make sure they weren't on there. Or perhaps making sure Richard was...
If they know when headphones were plugged in then they know if videos were watched. I think it's much more likely that the headphone socket had a faulty microswitch.
4:25 Richard Allen racked the slide in a threatening manner and, because he was DRUNK, didn't realize that a round would eject by doing this. In his prison confessions he talks about losing a round at the crime scene. Most likely he couldn't find and recover the round among the leaf-covered ground. (Edit: So many weirdoes simping for Allen. Just like when they're about to execute a serial killer/serial rapist and you see women outside the prison holding signs with hearts, crying because they're going to kill the "little angel".)
@@kellymac77 Dr. Grande forgot that there are some elements of his confessions that perfectly match crime scene facts that were never disclosed to the public. The round at the scene is one of those. I'll try to find it for you.
@eldesgraciado6690 You may also want to find where R.A. did not start confessing with facts until after he was given the case facts against him in his cell to prepare for trial. L.E. fed him the crime scene facts then R.A. was eating the paperwork. Is what I heard.
@@eldesgraciado6690 it's fairly common in cases like this for detectives to feed concealwd evidence to confessing defendants to get a conviction, not saying it happened, but they also claim the BS physical gun evidence, so any and all other evidence is suspect.
I can tell you from experience being in the hole can make you a little cuckoo I don’t know about confessing to murders but everybody’s different ! I can tell you this much I don’t know if he’s guilty, but there’s plenty of reasonable doubt, and I don’t know how he was convicted with such a small amount of evidence ! Also as Dr. grande said I have never heard of a cartridge being connected to a gun without it being fired there can be no ballistics, unless the gun is fired ! Again, as Dr. grande said he did not fit the profile. Something just isn’t right here.
This case represents everything wrong with our justice system. 1. Conviction based on psychosis induced confessions and talking to the police. 2. Prison causing psychosis 3. Botched police investigation 4. Leading to a stranger killing two girls and not getting the death penalty
The fact that he had no record or past history of sexual assault is always the case before a predator becomes a predator. I believe he had secretly wanting to commit an assault like this and finally he seized as the right opportunity when it came .
I was on the fence, but tipping more toward him being guilty. But after watching a video of RA yesterday of him at the bar that he was known to patron, there’s no question in my mind that he did it. He wore the same baggy jeans, scrunched at the bottom, and the way that he walked was very similar to BG (one foot kinda pigeon toed). Also, he wasn’t really sociable. Not anywhere near as sociable as the other customers, which really stood out to me.
@@georgiegirl8345 Where does all the male anger come from? I will never understand why anyone would target two innocent girls. It's possible he is highly insecure and maybe he feels powerful when he can control young women. I did see a youtube of a former co-worker of his at a Walmart. She said Richard Allen was behaving creepy towards her and other women and saying inappropriate things. Even if he had a sex addiction or some abuse in his childhood, it doesn't excuse murdering 2 innocent young girls. These guys always fly under the radar and want to blame anything from their past on doing evil things.
Dr. Grande, I’m a long time subscriber and have been following your channel for many years (since statistics days…). I always appreciate your opinions , professionalism and clear analyses, however, in this case, I think that there is more than reasonable doubt brought on by a bad investigation. The timeline the state alleges leaves him a few minutes to commit the two murders, dress one of the girls in the other’s attire, and lay the twigs on the bodies. All that without anyone hearing anything. The passing of the van also does not coincide with the timeline he was supposedly there. Also: the eye witnesses described someone who doesn’t look like him: he is distinctly short, none of them mentioned that. His incarceration conditions were horrific… enough to elicit any thing from anyone. There was nothing in his childhood, upbringing or relationships that implied or was even close to suggesting he is a man capable of such act. The reason he voluntarily went to the police may not have been what you have suggested, Dr. Grande, but rather that he went, like the other witnesses have, because the police asked everyone who was on the bridge that day to come forward. This time, there are weighty reasons to suspect that a truly innocent man was convicted. This is a disconcerting thought, very upsetting and depressing. I think many would rather think that he is in fact guilty than to face these other options.
What about the headphones plugged in, too. Also, can you tell me about the conditions in the prison where he was detained? You seem to know about them. Thank you and great comment. I agree. There should also have been an exact height analysis preformed.
So it's common for police, who carry firearms and ammo EVERY DAY, and regularly qualify at the range, don't know the difference between cartridges and bullets in police reports? Ummm...... that's concerning. 🤦♀️🙄
I live just south of Delphi. I REALLY wanted thean that killed those babies to be caught and prosecuted....but I don't think that's what happened. I have children and grandchildren that could've been the person they found that day. The idea of a person or group of people are still out there makes my blood go cold. I followed this trial and knowing what I now know, I don't think it was Allen. I think he's genuinely the guy in the right place but wrong time. The magic bullet also matched to a gun that another POI owned and there was no real way to identify or judge which gun it belonged to. It's so sad and I feel for all the families involved.
Yep, when the totality of investigative evidence if reviewed, there is strong evidence "the" killers or at least many of them are still on the loose.....and that local LE intentionally decided not to pursue highly relevant leads implicating at least 3 individuals.
@bariolivier1556 watching the trial summeries at the end of each day, a single person doing this makes no sense. I look at my husband who is a few years younger and in better shape and just can't imagine a smaller, weaker man doing this. One of those kids could've booked it and dipped out regardless of their solidarity. I mean, if it's me or you...sorry boo you gotta go lol. The fact that there was none of bridge guys DNA on or near the girls is huge. The fact that the sisters DNA was found in a girls hand after being stripped, assaulted, brutally killed and left for hours is massive. His "confessions" were only made after the fact that he was certifiably psychotic and on enough drugs to sedate a small city AND after he was given the discovery files is even bigger. The judge was biased and as eager for a guilty verdict as the cops that made mistake after mistake were. This was a railroad job and it's going to destroy what's left of this man and his family. I feel for those girls families, I cannot fathom that type of loss. But logically it just doesn't fit. I feel terrible for those jurors after they find out what exactly was left out of the evidence and regret the judgment they made.
Witnesses saw him at the trail that day and a bullet that was racked from his gun was at the crime scene. When investigators asked Allen if anybody else has used his gun, he said “no”. I’m not sure what else you need to convict…?
@@zimmy4868what witnesses. Nobody could identify him on the trial. He is only like 5'2 they could've remembered that and it wasn't a bullet, only a cartridge from any gun
How so? He told investigators he was at the trail that day (along with witnesses that verified it). A bullet found at the crime scene was found to be racked from a gun that he owned. When investigators asked Allen if anyone else has ever used his gun, he said “no”. And not to mention, he confessed to the murders to his wife from jail on the phone. Wow, that’s some “scant” evidence.
The cartridge being found in the small space between the 2 girls is sort of undeniable evidence. Richard was under stress that day due to his mother's hip and health problems, so he said he went to clear his head on the walk. An insect could have entered the hole in the phone and made contact since it was under the body of one of the girls in the dirt in the woods. Not ALL of his confessions were true, but he could have been trying to erase the effect of telling the truth. Richard said, "You got me" when they searched his home. His confessions to his wife and his mom were extremely convincing, and he was not suffering from psychosis at the time. The clincher was that he said he was spooked by a white van and abandoned his idea of SA'ing them, and then the police tracked the van down and it was not common knowledge, so it was not a conviction without foundation. There is a God, and there is no freaking doubt he is guilty.
No doubt at all. Everyone in Carroll County is sleeping better these days. I don't know of any local people who support him (besides his family). They're all internet crazies who listen to the "news" sources such as podcasters who are obscuring the truth and creating confusion and controversy for their own profit. It's sick. One of those podcasters is a defense attorney who worked closely with Allen's defense and has been their mouthpiece, allowing them to circumvent the gag order that has been and remains in place. He is making $$ off this and probably being compensated by the defense as well (I don't know that for a fact.) I know for a fact that the defense gave him a highly coveted seat in the courtroom, he calls Richard Allen "Rick", advocates strongly for his innocence, and published a podcast episode daily throughout the trial, all while claiming to be impartial. He and the defense are responsible for a huge amount of misinformation. They saw how it worked in the Karen Read case to create an innocence movement and followed suit. "Rick" Allen is guilty as sin.
iPhone 6 in 2017 in the woods would not have precise data. Plus police downloaded phone, gave to family, who used it, then returned to police when newer technology was available to extract more data.
Marks on the cartridge case could match imperfections in the gun's breach but then again such imperfections could have been made during manufacturing of the gun and so not made exclusively to Richard's gun.
Richard Allen is not guilty of these murders. He too is a victim. Anyone that has read anything about the murders knows he is innocent. Stop judging on what the local news tells you. There is so much more to this case. The truth will be told.
Richard Allen is Bridge Guy. The image taken by Libby shows this: A short middle-aged man. Jeans do not gather up at the ankle like that on tall men. He is wearing the same clothes Richard Allen said he was wearing.
It always is a concern when small-town cops have to deal with a major case like this.
I think the Sheriff’s Office and the Indiana State Police were investigating. I don’t know about the SO, but the ISP has very rigorous training in many areas. I definitely agree, despite this, the investigation doesn’t seem to have been up to par. Perhaps corruption within Delphi?
Especially when the fbi offered their services but were declined by city officials. Why is that?? Free resources so why not let them get involved. Sus to me
Maybe the city officials with the power to decline the FBI’s help were conspiracy fans, ie. “the FBI is part of the deep state but the Indiana State Police are our boys!” We know how wide this conspiracy theory is. Trump is nominating people in his cabinet who gladly accept some form of a conspiracy theory. If people think American justice is flawed now just wait for the day after Inauguration. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
They also didn't do a height analysis from the video. It would have given a height within a few inches, which wouldn't help their case, but could've eliminated RA as Bridge guy.
Yup they probably never had a murder let alone such a high profile 1 or even violent crimes at all with only 3000 people
This whole case has been nothing but weird from start to finish. Such a crazy world.
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I knew when they brought this guy to public he did it - not then I heard he had a limp hearing this anyone knows you exercise to fix a limp. I then asked in comments in one of the pods if he ever hurt his leg before this was told yes I knew than it was him .
Such a crazy 🇺🇸how come that 2 young girls walked alone through that remote area? Unbelievable for an European grandmother 😧😔
@@vjc4964i was thinking the same thing ,,, its wild how two little girls are dropped to hike by themselves in the woods 👀😨
It’s very simple actually. Richard Allen killed two children. A couple of slip ups by authorities delayed justice
I wonder what Dr Grande makes of Dr Wala, who was a true crime addict and following the case on the internet - but also treating Mr Allen. The existence of a white van in the area was widely discussed on the internet, it was really not a secret "only known to the killer". The guy who supposedly drove the white van changed his story several times - his final version appeared after a last minute "chat" with the police.
To suggest Allen was in solitary confinement a short time is a little misleading, he was there for 13 months, even when guidelines said prisoners should not be held in solitary for more than 30 days. Allen also said he was "losing his mind", and made obviously false confessions such as killing people who do not exist (he has no grand kids), and it appears he was not faking - and yet we are supposed to cherry pick only those of his "confessions" that are convenient to the prosecution? Allen also had discovery from the case, including the detail of the unspent round.
The whole case stinks frankly, there is no way this conviction is justified beyond reasonable doubt. I'm not even sure Allen is "probably" guilty - so much of the evidence was adapted to fit Mr Allen. I fear we have just convicted someone mental vulnerable - but not the killer. It appears the state is rewarded for torturing a man into a confession.
100% agree!
He wasn't t*rtured. You need to stop throwing words like that around willynilly or they lose their meaning. He had to be kept somewhere that he wouldn't be harmed by others, he also had to be kept somewhere that he could have suicide watch and able to see a psychiatric doctor every day. That is not t*rture, this is how a lot of people's who are being charged with high profile s*x offences or m*rder have to be kept for safty. It's as if you don't know what the word t*rture means. Furthermore, if this was the police just wanting to pinnthe case on someone there where much more attractive choices for that.
Agreed! Also wasn't there hair found at the crime scene that was never tested? And another person has pretty much confessed to it...I think his last name is Warren or something. Also there was trail cams that was never examined. Such a sad case.
@@4032111Elvis field’s admitted to a cop that he was there at the scene that night. And that his dna would be found because he had spat on the victim.
Agree with you 100%
this case really opened my eyes to how fragile cases can be.
Kegan Klein was also a suspect for a long time, he had been messaging one of the girls on Snapchat about meeting up on the same day they went missing. Investigators proceeded to find tons of CP on his devices.
what?! I didn't even know about this, how did he even get ruled out?? wow I need to look this up thankyou for the information 😊
They were catfished by p3d0 and agreed to meet him the same day but got killed by random bridge guy. Strange case indeed.
unfortunately the judge made the entire trial private. the lack of transparency of the courts is a disservice to the public.
I didn't know they picked someone up.
Even if he is guilty, this judge has put this case in doubt for the rest of time because of the lack of transparency. This is America, we deserve to know the evidence and the results of all investigation
Maybe he was framed
@@carweee It’s unconstitutional. It’s unfortunate for Judge Gull that we have the ability today to let every single American watch the trial
@@nicholasbintner4677 Can 't one get a transcript? We don't have to be voyeurs
Not sure how I feel about people losing their lives due to "meh evidence". I almost think I'd rather see a guilty person go free due to lack of evidence than an innocent person die due to "Well I mean it kind of applies" evidence.
At last, I found reasonable people who understand why we care so much about this man. It could be any of us or loved ones! Conviction must be reversed on appeal!
Yeah. Wrongful conviction is horrific!
Not if that guilty person killed your daughter.
@elgato9445 yep. And if my daughter went to prison while being not guilty I'd be equally as mad.
Whats your point?
@@tgs5725 60 + confessions, putting yourself on the bridge wearing the same clothes as bridge guy isn’t “meh evidence”
And to think we will NEVER see the full video/audio from libbys phone. Most of this case is under wraps.
Apparently its only like 40 more seconds than what we heard.
@apray359 And that's 38.5 seconds more than we got over the last 7+ years. None of the facts from this case should be hidden, Regardless.
In order for Rick Allen to see the van at 2:27 pm (the earliest possible time Brad Weber could have arrived home), he either had to still be in that area where they all stepped off the bridge, or he had to be down the hill on the road-side of the bridge. The road is not visible from the other side of the bridge. I think it was very challenging for the defense to communicate the topography of that area, the field of view from all the locations mentioned, and the distances between various locations and how difficult they were to traverse. The area where the bodies were found is north of the creek, about a half mile from where Allen would have had to be in order to see the van in the road. It is rough terrain. 65 feet under the bridge. Across a creek. Up a steep embankment. And yet the phone is already there at 2:32 pm. Because that is when it stops recording movement, according to the state’s case. How did the jury ignore that evidence? Five minutes at the very most to travel a half mile of rough terrain with two hostages and put the phone down on the ground. I doubt it. I reasonably doubt it. I doubt the hell out of it.
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Yes the road is visible from where RA forced the girls to undress to sexually assault them. After seeing the van, he forced them acrossed the creek and killed them. Have you watched Gray Hughe's timeline? It shows where the girls clothes were found, where the road is visible, where RA spotted the van. There were no leaves on the trees. It's not unlikely that a van could be seen driving by in the distance. Watch Gray Hughe's timeline. The topoography litterally is NOT that difficult. They went down one hill to a flat trail. His exit route leading to the cemetary, had one hill to get out. There are videographers who took the suspected route. They did it with some effort, but definately not impossible. Think of the adreneline this PIG was opperating on while sexually assaulting and murdering two kids. He was not emaciated at the time.
You have made a profound element of reasonable doubt with your knowledge of the territory
Too bad for RA his lawyers weren't able to convey this
@@physics4290 I appreciate your name and what you've said speaks volumes. The jury didn't focus on the timeline with the digital evidence
I don't know if he is guilty or not, if I was on the jury I certainly could not rule out reasonable doubt. The whole case was a mess, and a lot was excluded by the judge for testimony. If this is what a jury consists of in this day and age, I would probably choose a bench trial. Although in this case, the judge is sorely lacking as well, IMO.
If you looked at the evidence,he is clearly the murderer.That's probably why the jury found him guilty.
@@paulayres1757 Bee following it since the girls first went missing. I have examined everything that has been presented to the public. I disagree.
What reasonable doubt?? What pieces of verifiable, concrete evidence (not conspiracy theories) can you provide that you actually think the jury that sat through the entirety of the case/evidence missed?? I’d love to hear this. 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
@catserver8577 You have a right to be wrong.Thankfully you weren't on the jury.
@catserver8577 You've examined everything but didn't listen to clips of his voice? It's identical to BG ffs! We've known this since the arrest. People in the court (including the jury) heard his voice in those recorded jail calls, and know it's his voice. Wake up.
You're one of these true crime Karen's, waiting on a movie ending. It's real life.
The amount of evidence not allowed in the trial was staggering, chief of which was the prosecution’s motion to not allow in geofencing data that the judge granted.
Many trials are like that. its nothing new.
Anything having to do with a 3rd party culprit. Which was a lot .
@@deeges9098the odinist stuff is such a joke, introduced by the defense to muddy the waters. Odinisim is a nature worshipping based spiritual belief, there are some white supremacy groups that use Nordic symbols but they're not running around sacrificing kids.
@@julez8053Elvis fields asking the police "If my spit is found on one of the girls but I could explain it, would it be okay?". Also Brad holder telling his wife that Patrick Westfall killed abby
The problem is people like Nancy Grace. Shows like those convict prior to trial
Nancy Graces show has the same vibe as if it was shouted out a pickup truck window. Ive never been able to watch it. Maybe just me.
Nancy DISgrace
She's a disGrace.
The term is guilty until proven innocent. Which, is actually how it goes. We've been lied to our entire lives.
Nancy Grace is probably the killer. She just plants evidence for her tv show.
"Dr. Grande met someone by the name of "Dry Humour", and the two became romantically involved..."
And their entertaining dog named deadpan.
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My wife doesn't understand "dry humor" and asked me why I watched Dr. Grande. I told her sometimes he cracks me up. She asked me how? Couldn't explain.
@@brollins1952 it's no big deal if she never gets it; like, [dry]humour is subjective, right?
I reckon the best explanation you could give your wife might be something like
"His use of sarcasm is not frequent and therefore it both subverts my expectation (because he is so clinical at almost all times,) and I find myself in cathartic affirmation with his insights/assessments"
(I am not, nor will I ever be, married..so, maybe don't take advice from me about explaining things to a spouse 😵💫)
@@kwesmichalak9742never say never. I'm 51 years old and swore to myself I'd never be married. Then one day I met the woman I've been searching for my entire life. I even told her in the beginning I didn't wanna ever get married and she was ok with it. Within a month I knew. So 2 months ago I proposed. She was shocked and elated and I couldn't be happier. So don't give up my man. One day you'll find your person you were meant for.
The witnesses did not indicate the person they saw was similar height to Rick. They all mentioned someone tall while Rick is around 5'5". Just wanted to fact check that particular detail.
5'4"
In fact, none of the witnesses identified RA as BG in court, only that the man they saw on the trail was the guy in the video.
The state never had a height analysis done on bridge guy either, and they basically had unlimited funds.
@@melinderp they only saw him a split second. I can't remember breakfast yesterday 😅
Most of the witnesses were young and possibly short themselves. He probably appeared tall to them and with his boots on.
I followed the trial on the Indiana news channel. The trial/case feels like it has a lot of things left out of it, things never fully or convincingly explained. I highly doubt the jury would have convicted him if they had not heard him on the prosecutions, cherry-picked videos giving those [confessions]. [ He also confessed that he killed his parents, but they weren't killed, he confessed he killed his grandchildren, but he has no grandchildren.] The state never showed any compelling physical evidence that the defense couldn't show factual problems with. I hope they convicted the right man, but I'm far from being sure about it. I'm expecting there to be an appeal.
What was his motive?
@@thehotcoffeehouse6081one theory was that since he has dependent personality disorder, and I think someone close to him had recently experienced something that stressed him out, like his mother or his wife, that shook him and his dependence or abandonment issues, and without having anywhere to go with those feelings, took it out on the girls. That was on either hidden true crime or Andrea Burkhart's channel, im not sure.
(I am unsure how I feel about his innocence or guilt, I am just reporting the one theory that I heard that sounds like it has some merit...whether or not it's true is up to each person to decide for themselves)
And don't forget the 70 days of interviews and interrogations were recorded over and deleted... The officer in charge of that walked away from the stand smirking and laughing. Look up Jesse Snider case.
@@juliana.x0x0 strange, ... thx for the thoughtful explanation.
@@thehotcoffeehouse6081he confessed to his psychologist he is a Sex Addict
I appreciate you calling the victim brave for being sure to record the man
The sad thing is it has confused the case even more.
@@sueg7174 yes, because even Dr Grande was misled.
@@julez8053 exactly i agree
@@sueg7174no what confused the case was the defense making him out to be the victim. If you watch the video on the Plunder channel, you will see the real Allen. It was essentially a Casey Anthony defense poor Casey was abused. It doesn't change the fact that he was wearing the same clothes as Bridge guy had on that day
He admitted what he wore those clothes.He also parked his car in backward to obscure his tag.. He only came forward after a police press conference shared a picture of BGuy nd said they were looking for him and would find him. The guys a monster. 3/4 of the way on the video you will hear his voice clearly. He snaps at his wife to sit up
Hes no victim he was mentally I'll before he went to prison.
I wholeheartedly agree that the victim was brave for videoing Richard. Though this is a weird case... And I have one question, is Bridge Guy 100% the killer? I agree if I was to apply Occam's Razor; he absolutely is the killer, but just because a guy walks through a shot of someone's film, does it mean it's impossible for anyone else to be around who may have committed this heinous crime?
1. Bridge Guy was described as tall, young, and had curly hair by a witness as well.
2. The unspent cartridge was only made to match by firing it. The expert couldn't get the ejector marks to match otherwise.
3. Allen made most, not all, but most of his confessions while being given Haldol during psychosis.
4. The owner of the white van changed his story for his timeline.
5. Guilty or not, Allen's constitutional rights were 100% violated by Judge Francis C. Gull's blatant bias of this case.
If I may, MamaPinks...
6. Not one out of 70,000+ tips named Richard Allen.
7. There was hair and DNA on each of the victims, but the police did not have it tested, because, as Det. Jerry Holeman testified, they figured it belonged to Liberty's sister and 'they did not have a female suspect".
8. Not one witness that day described Richard Allen, nor was he identified in court as Bridge Guy"
9. There has been no DNA or physical evidence tying Richard Allen to this crime. There was DNA at the site, but recall, LE declined to test it. Or lost it.
10. Given the State's timeline, from being halfway across MHB to the time BG was seen on the road near his car, was 19 minutes.
11. Richard Allen was presumed 'guilty' from Day 1, as he was sent straight to prison (for his own safety, they say), held in solitary confinement, in the most appalling conditions, then injected with Haldol.
12. Richard Allen's jail psychologist was fired after it was discovered that she was fangirling on Delphi YT channels in her spare time and may have suggested to Allen some of the things she heard about online, that he later confessed to.
13. Richard Allen was not given the presumption of innocence as is afforded all Americans - and, at a minimum, his Civil Rights were violated. The police was work so questionable and the evidence so lacking - there is nothing BUT Reasonable Doubt.
Richard Allen also confessed to killing his wife and his daughter (both still very much alive). There was NO DNA found on him from the girls and vice versa which would seem impossible
You “work” with Lawyer Lee right? Since no cameras were allowed in courtroom, she did a good job of covering the case…
Just stop. Not everything is a conspiracy FFS.
@@tcreative8030 Sorry, what of the five points mentioned by the OP is a conspiracy theory? They are just stating facts as they came out at trial. Sheriff candidate Mullin admitted that none of the witnesses description matched Allen, the expert in firearms said that after cycling the cartridge three times, she did not get any marks, and she needed to fire the cartridge to receive the markings (also, that two more firearms had "non conclusive" tests. Point number 3 has been confirmed by pshychologists. Point number 4 came out from comparison between transcripts given 5 months ago and direct questioning at trial. Not sure about point 5, for sure the judge denied a few points by the defense.
Dr Grande, I really hope you see this. I would really like to hear your thoughts.
First of all he didn't go to the cops as a way to get ahead of anything, the police asked for anyone who had been on the trails that day to come forward and give statements. He had told his wife that he was on the trail that day and she encouraged him to go in and give a statement just in case he'd seen something without realizing it. He was convicted of murder because he was a good samaritan.
As for that van, when they first interviewed the owner of the van in 2017, he said that he was nowhere near that area until later in the evening because he had gone to take care of some ATM machines after leaving his first job. Then suddenly 7 years later the lead investigator calls the owner of that van and suddenly he comes forward to change his statement. Yeah that's not fishy.
Lastly, the guy on the bridge is estimated to be 5'8" or taller. Richard Allen is 5' 4"
And you did kind of mention the cartridge, but they could not match it to his gun until they fired it. Then they got a little tiny bit closer and could kind of maybe sorta match it up. That's an absolutely insane way to handle evidence, it's comparing apples to oranges, and it shouldn't have even been allowed.
Lastly, did you know that someone confessed? They said that their DNA would be found on the body, he also confessed to his sister who was given a polygraph and she passed. So because the judge excluded a third party culprit theory, the defense was prevented from talking about it. It's not just that one, there are many others who have far more connection to the girls and their murders. Like for example, one of them had an internet boyfriend who she was going to meet at the bridge that day. They texted the night before and finalize their plans. But why isn't anyone talking about these things? It's horrifying that he was found guilty. It's literally a travesty. 😢
Elvis Fields confessed to his sister and she reported it to police. He also admitted to spitting on one of the girls
@@islesofshoals3551 and he described the crime scene and explained why two sticks were place above Abby's head to look like antlers. I don't think he was the murderer but he was there during the murders.
100% agree. RA was railroaded for sure. Elvis Fields was there and described the crime scene. Elvis implicated Odinists (as well as himself) but his witness testimony was not accepted. WHY NOT?
The law is a farce and rigged. In the mid 90s, I got accused of discharging a firearm in the city limits. The cops came to my house yanked me out took me to jail, never read me right rights never even looked for a weapon, never tested my hands.
The accuser found out he would have to face me in court and drop the charges. The state picked it up. They brought up me popping fireworks in the city limits as a young child and made me sound worse than Jeffrey dahlmer. John wayne gacy, richard ramirez, ted bundy, adolf hitler, combined. They even accused me of being a gang member.
It was actually the accuser who fired the weapon, but that did not matter one bit. The felony got dropped to a misdemeanor. I have currently been in the Army 24 years now and that charge still pops up and follows me. If it would have stayed a felony, I would not have been able to join the Army.
@@islesofshoals3551I have a genuine question. Wouldn’t we expect to see DNA if this guy spat on one of the victims??
There are a couple of things that really bother me about this case, and they all revolve around bias.
The judge did not allow the defense to put on much of a defense, it seemed as though his guilt was a foregone conclusion. It made a mockery of innocent until proven guilty.
RA was sent to a max security prison before conviction, ostensibly due to his mental health. That is unheard of. There are three other facilities in the area that are used for inmates with mental health problems, and RA should have gone to one of those. Solitary confinement in a maximum security prison for a pre-trial detainee is flat-out, freaking wrong. Again, it appears that his guilt was a foregone conclusion.
His confessions are suspect and should be thrown out. There is no way to determine whether his confessions were the product of his psychosis or of his guilt. Prison officials, including the psychologist who treated him, believed he was faking psychosis, but the prison psychiatrist stated he believed the psychosis was real. RA was treated with high dose Haldol injections 2x, then with oral Haldol. They gave him Haldol either as a chemical restraint (totally unethical and possibly illegal) or to control his psychosis. If they didn't believe he was psychotic, they shouldn't have given him an anti-psychotic. They can't have it both ways. Since we cannot know for certain, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
There is a huge bias against prisoners. Prison staff always think the prisoners are faking it. Like the recent case of a charge nurse who ignored a jail inmate who complained of stomach pain. She refused to allow nursing staff to check on him, even to take his vitals. She decided he was faking and was looking for a ride to the ER and drugs. That man collapsed and died of a bleeding ulcer. But hey, they all fake it, all the time.
Then there's the whole bs with the bullet casing. Tool mark analysis of unspent, cycled rounds has not been proven. It has just been accepted as fact without the burden of proof. Either prove it with a study of hundreds of firearms and a few thousand rounds, both unfired and fired, or don't use it in court.
In this case, the examiner tested several firearms, and some of those were, like RA's P226, inconclusive, hence the test firing of RA's gun. What I'd like to know is, did the firearm examiner test fire any of other "inconclusive" guns? If so, what were results of that testing? Or, did she only test fire RA's gun? If she only test fired RA's gun, that's more evidence of bias.
This case is full of bias and it's hard to see how RA received anything approximating a fair trial. He may be guilty, but if he's innocent it's a huge miscarriage of justice.
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Totally agree, why would it be the guy the girls took a picture of shortly before being murdered? Craziness for sure. I don't think it was the Odin cult, but its offshoot, the Followers of Otis...
Very well said, thank you
Yeah, that's my sentiments as well.
Agreed. The solitary confinement bit is the most disturbing. If he was suffering mental illness, (especially pre- conviction, when he's still technically innocent), why not send him to a high security mental institution? It seems that solitary confinement would be the literal worst thing you could do for someone's mental health, especially since it's considered literal torture in other parts of the world. To treat someone like this even before conviction is deeply concerning.
Great video. I shared it. There is way too much reasonable doubt in this case and I hope people are starting to pay attention to what has happened (and not happened) in this case.
Can we talk a bit more about Ms Walla? I would love to hear your professional opinion of her behavior. Thank you
I think she put ideas in his head!!
Incredibly unprofessional of her. Granted, I’m not a psych provider/physician…but I’m in healthcare and there’s so many things wrong with this situation. Throw in solitary confinement, and Haldol (awful med)…and now here we are. 😩😡
She should have her medical license revoked for her disgusting behaviour in this case. Her testimony should have been excluded as it was highly biased and illegally gotten.
Please do a video on her!!!
I would hate to have been a juror on this case
I had this very conversation with my husband.
Its obvious it was him. He matches the description of the man in the video, they found a bullet chambered through his gun at the crime scene. It could only have been him and no one else.
@@KingSlayer_.Soon as I heard the "...'bullet' chambered through his gun", my B.S.-junk science Spidey senses went haywire. 🤔
@KingSlayer_. I REALLY doubt they can match the cartridge to his particular gun ONLY, seems very unlikely.
I believe the property owner had a gun that was tested that couldn’t be ruled out.
I believe he told the police he was at Monon High Bridge and the trail between 1:30 - 3:30 because he saw at least 3 witnesses that he knew had seen him, while he was there.
He said he was there between noon & 1:30 but Dan Dulin the conservation officer changed the times on his report. Law enforcement changed & fabricated facts to fit their narrative, & flat out lied on the stand & under oath. LE in Carroll Co., IN have beem doing it for years. Check out the Jesse Snider case... same cast of characters doing the same thing. Where is the oversight & accountability?
Not one of those 3 girls testified in court,Emily Collier was arrested before RA by one Dan Dulin, the corrupt wildlife cop,probably in a move to discredit her? With 14 deaths surrounding this case, it's not hard to frighten those who might expose the actual truth...the guilty had a celebration dinner post verdict,with Becky and Mike Patty...goes to prove,you can get away with murder in the 2020's?
Oh...if RA got home at 11.30am in his wife's black Ford Focus, grabbed a jacket,got in his own SILVER Ford 500,drove to Wilson Bridge (shortest route), parked down there where he met Emily Collier and the 2 girls,how would it take him TWO HOURS to get there? He was there just before midday, left at 1.30pm...Focus GPS will confirm the time it arrived at Whiteman Drive... More evidence ignored, as it didn't fit the narrative!
Yes, but whoever it was out there came prepared, a gun/a sharp weapon. Out for a stroll in these isolated woods during the day and following little girls, as if there wasn't some other place for a safe, protected nature walk w/families or parents w/children there too. Were these girls seen earlier in RA's store; who knew they would be there, and totally unprotected besides whoever dropped them off? RA is the guy on the cellphone, why would anyone not think that?!
He told the police because he saw himself in the BG image. He went to police almost immediately after the pic was released. His fan club love leaving that part out.
Imagine how jurors will feel when they find out about the evidence they weren't allowed to see.
How will we feel? So much more evidence exists than was mentioned at trial.
Doubt they'll care. The evidence they did see was enough circumstantial evidence for them to come to a decision.
@JaneMiller0101 made up evidence... corruption his huge in that town.. this is not the first life they wrongly ruined.. same officials investigators are known for corruption... look into the reckoning in carrol County.. they went out of there way to make up things and to ruin a veterans life.. .. why do you think the first judge pulled out of this trial... he already knows that he was convicting an innocent man.. don't know how these people sleep at night... karma is real tho
@@melistasyonly revealing circumstantial evidence while concealing exonerating evidence in America shows the spiral 🌀 our democracy is taking.
A suspect repeatedly confessing tends to sway a jury too. Also many cases are like that where a lot evidence isn't admissible.
I love how you 20 people here that are 100% convinced one way or the other, when cameras were not allowed in the courtroom and there was weird stuff going on throughout this trial; the judge forcing the defense attorneys off the case after meeting with the prosecutor *alone* which should be grounds for a mistrial.
🙂↕️ couldn’t agree anymore with this!!
@@hardtakeoff the bum way to know 💯 is to see it with our own eyes, and we don’t. Therefore, jurors have to proceed on the totality of evidence. Circumstantial evidence is evidence, as well. I think they did their job.
@@fungrammacat The jury only recieved half of the evidence. The judge refused the defense evidence including phone data that showed other suspects at the bridge. You can't judge a case based on only half the facts and only one side. Thats what they did to the poor jury.
@ if you’re talking odinism, I have no research of that. I just don’t don’t know why folks are looking everywhere but not at , “ I did it”.
If the reasonable confessions are valid so are the batshit crazy ones though @fungrammacat
I don't put much weight on analysis saying a cartridge has been cycled through one certain firearm, unless it's somehow explicitly clear. This sort of testing often relies much on interpretation.
@@toolthoughts a crime specialist on DutyRon explains this differently.
I listen to only podcasts that have specialists, journalists, etc. the ones that just listen to a tv clip and comment are not for me.
@@fungrammacathow does he explain it?
Aka junk science
I thought RA only had one daughter. It wasn't proven that BG was the voice that directed the girls down the hill. BG attire is like uniform attire for that age group in Delphi. RA Was held in solitary confiment for 13 months. Actually, in order to be BG RA need it to be SIX inches taller. The Judge was completely bias. Didn't allowed exculpatory evidence, third party theory & give the defense ZERO money for experts. The mental health professional was following podcasters that believe RA was guilty & was feeding RA info on the podcasts. The Van info was all over SM. RA was set up. He didn't reach out to LE because he is NOT BG. NEVER talk to Police without a Lawyer.
No other man was dressed that way that day and at that time though. And I've heard his voice on wifes fb before she deleted it. She did that after down the hill audio was released....and it matched. They've got the right guy.
You’re a fool
@@mandystewart6737 in my opinion jeans and a non-descript blue windbreaker is not exactly unique.....
@@advena996 true....but no one else but him was wearing jeans and a blue carhart on that day and libby recorded only him.
So, you were there?
Mental health is hard to figure out. My mom was killed by her schizophrenic boyfriend when i was a toddler. He apparently had some signs of schizophrenia before the murder(hearing voices, violent outbursts) but was also a drug user. Before his trial, he asked a guard if he would get an easier sentence if he was found mentally incompetent, he was told yes, so during the trial, he would eat his feces, brush his teeth and hair with his feces, meow like a cat in court, etc. After he was found guilty, these behaviors stopped, so this is a sign he knew what he was doing. He committed over 60 prison infractions, including throwing hot oil on a random inmate, threatening to behead, rape and eat a guards family, using bodily fluids as weapons, and attempting suicide. The Bureau of Prisons punished him by GIVING HIM MAX GOOD TIME(WTF) and he was recently released after 30 years. My victim advocate, who was a former guard, said that him and others couldnt believe he was released early, but that "hes difficult do deal with" so the prison higher ups let him out. But its hard to tell if hes a drug addict, schizophrenic, just evil, or some combo of all three
Look on the bright side, maybe somebody can pay him a visit and teach him the error of his ways....
@@Mike-es2yg No, you can’t murder the mentally ill.
-and here it is. The video we've all been waiting for. Thank you Dr. Grande.
Finally a Delphi video a casual person can watch and understand
@@5wisher5weet well, lots of the things dr grande said are not actually correct.
Still a big fan of the channel, but they’re just not true.
You could watch Andrea Burkhart. She is a defence lawyer that sat in the court every day and made copious amounts of hand written notes and then shared them on UA-cam every day because there were no videos or audio recordings allowed.
Dr Grande has two more videos regarding this case.
@@z0zRAMCI’m a forever fan of Dr Grande! I don’t believe Richard Allen is guilty beyond reasonable doubt 😑
It was a simplistic survey of the trial and went very light on the incriminating evidence, which is what should be examined, not all the ridiculous theories out there about Odinism- oh yes, he confessed to throwing branches over them before he left to try to hide the bodies, which was a big thing. He confessed in detail about doing it with a box cutter and where he threw it away. The cops were lucky but justice was served, I dislike his cavalier attitude about those poor girls and that animal that killed them.
@@z0zRAMC 100% agree! Just like Judge Gull lots of defense was left out. I was taking notes & gave up then burst into laughter when he said LE needs to pay attention, like pot meet kettle.
I'm worried about this verdict. It doesn't seem like Richard Allen got a fair trial.
Thank you, Dr. Grande, for yet another intelligent and fun video.
@@lenasamzelius5530 hi there. It might help to watch Dr John Mathias who is a forensic psychologist. He has naught and knowledge on Richard Allen’s diagnosis and has very clear and interesting things to say. He and his wife cohost “hidden true crime”.
His wife is a journalist. They aren’t sideliners who watch a clip and “analyze”. Not insinuating at all that this channel does.
The keystone cops dropped the ball , the judge did her best to help them and now the appeals process starts .
It won't 😂
The judge did her best to help them? What?
I can't take a position or speculate from this, since it's too difficult to conclude anything from my position of ignorance-- but I will say that it seems likely that Mr. Allen suffered a serious psychological incident, and his confession is highly unreliable.
A very thought-provoking episode, Dr. Grande, and thank you.
I agree with you. How else can the drastic change in his appearance be explained?
I’m pretty sure if I unalived two young girls, I’d be having a serious psychological incident.
I was married to an out of control alcoholic for several years. He told the truth most often when he was having a psychological incident.
I think Richard Allen was desperately trying to clear his conscience when he was confessing. I wish more people had just listened instead of telling him to “stop talking” “no, you didn’t” “they are messing with your head”.
@@fungrammacat You might be right. Two interpretations of his dramatic change in appearance could be given. As I said, I can't form an opinion. I don't know.
He was trying to protect his family.
@Rebecca-hc5ju If he has a dependant personality, and serious case, then he would be so desperate to please his accusers that, yes, he would confess, and more than confess-- he'd volunteer extra details and even imaginary evidence.
But I can't say. It's a sad story, either way.
He is either guilty or the least lucky person on earth. Timing of his visit to the bridge, his phone missing, dressed as bridge guy and 61 confessions all confabulated to make him guilty.
Exactly, HE placed himself at the scene... I think when someone is truly innocent of a crime they have been accused of, their overall story never changes, why would it... Unless, you are adding more details you couldn't remember the 1st time, but the main points always remain the same, OR, you are lying
He was being given Haldol when he confessed and been in solitary for months on end which is you're not supposed to due to how psychologically damaging it is to be in solitary more than a couple of weeks. He also admitted to killing his wife, daughter and grand child. The first two are still alive and he has no grand daughter.
@@darkwoods1954 before he started receiving medication, his story already had changed several times...
@@darkwoods1954he was given medication after his story had changed, several times
But he was given medication after his story had changed, several times more had it changed before any *psych meds were administered to him
How is it legal to hold an innocent man in solitary confinement for 13 months?
He wasn’t innocent. This is not a hard one.
Exactly! Try that with Larry Vallow or the Idaho suspect!!! Oh no wait! They have money and power in their communities, that would be detrimental to the state’s case, but we can allow it with the working class because we don’t have the resources to deserve any kind of respect and dignity. 😑
@@feliciadailey1171innocent until proven guilty
@@startledmilk6670I think he was guilty. This dude was an insane pyscho judging by his behavior in prison. I believe he knew his life was over and that he knew he killed them and it triggered a mental breakdown. The problem is that the investigation was botched from the start, and because of that, they nearly let the culprit get away through incompetence.
@@feliciadailey1171 Put your pitchfork down lady- he wasn't convicted yet. You can't put someone in a maximum security jail and solitary confinement just because you think they did it
a lot of local pressure to convict somebody for this
With emphasis lying on "somebody", or rather "anbody"...
no surprise there....
@Lee-be3ku Well fortunately they got the right guy. Thankfully, he panicked after the 1st BG pic went public, and called the police and placed himself there wearing identical clothing.
Also, he confessed 61 times (they can't all be down to mental illness).
the real killer is gonna start writen n letters pretty soon. this the Zodiac speaking...
Lots of locals know who's really involved ...
We all need to be aware that RA was sent to prison before being convicted. We need to hold our judicial system and LE accountable to high standards of conduct. RA was convicted on emotions and not evidence.
he was sent to prison because they could not guarantee his safety in jail. child murderers/rapists are extremely hated by other inmates and this guy would be absolutely shredded if not put in solitary
3 minutes after posting & 62 views and 14 comments, why does that not surprise me ? Because it's a Dr. Grande video and We can't get enough ! Thanks Dr. G !!!
Oh & Happy Holidays ! ❤
Oh no, is Dr Grande going on holidays 😢
He could have done it but I couldn't have convicted him. The case against him wasn't strong enough for me to send a man to jail for life.
Apparently 30 different confessions throughout multiple months to multiple different people not withstanding the video footage, him admitting to being there, same clothing, the spent shell casing, etc. isn’t “beyond a reasonable doubt” because you heard a few internet conspiracy theories. 🤦🏼♂️
I agree… the evidence doesn’t say he did it…
Except nobody other than the jury heard the case against him.
@@PallMall100s it did
Wow! There was plenty to convict him on. Even taking away the confessions and bullet stuff.
Judge gull is a fine example of a corrupt judge
Not saying you're wrong but how would you know if he's corrupt? Personal experience with the guy? Actual evidence? I mean please explain.
She's not. I've researched a lot about her and she is actually quite impressive. Sincerely, Indiana resident
It'll come back and bite her I hope. Rumor has it that she's retiring soon. Sadly it may take years for RA to possibly get a retrial and before the withheld evidence gets presented.
Indiana.
Yup. Medical examiner also. Usually that's how corruption works. Cops medical examiner all the way up to governor.. which did happen in Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor. The case is referred to as the boys on the tracks.. took 35 years to prove corruption but they did it.. there's corruption of any other cases too also people get exonerated every single day after spending 20 years in jail for things they didn't do.
I definitely don’t feel good saying this guy is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It could go either way unfortunately with the evidence and issues with the case
Hi Dr Grande, fascinating analysis. Cases like these keeps Innocent Project in business. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Innocent Project advocates for a LOT of murderers!
Noooooooo why did he like this comment
I would like to know why the FBI was asked to leave.
Probably because they didn’t have jurisdiction
@Jazzykatt23. They have to be "invited" that is true. But if you were faced with a crime of that magnitude, would you reject professional help with access to all resources imaginable?
@@Mandola-Jane the police wanted the glory. Tragically sad
@@elf1845 it truly is.
Because the local cops got their feelings hurt by looking stupid for botching the investigation
Not noted here was that it is documented that he has been tortured by his guards while in custody and endured prolong periods in complete isolation. Also, the timeline is in error per the phone evidence. NONE of his DNA was at the crime scene (a knife was used) and that there is untested DNA that the police have. This is not justice for those girls, their families, nor society.
How was he tortured?
100% agree
@@Ipetamlol no. He was in protective custody bc he would’ve been hurt or killed if he was amongst general population. He had access to tablet, food, visits and phone calls every day. He wasn’t tortured. Ridiculous
Yes! I appreciate all the critical thinking coverage the case is getting, but it seems like everyone not as familiar doesn't mention the Unknown DNA and 70+ untested hairs. Richard Allen was excluded as a contributor but they didn't bother to find out who else could be excluded or included? Fishy stuff...
@@saraha5847 Thats what I thought. Everyone is acting like he was waterboarded or something.
I agree. I want justice for the girls and their families but there are a lot of unanswered questions and terrible police work.
Hey Dr. Grande, have you ever watched the channels, "Michelle Walks" or "Michelle after dark"? She has devoted much time to this case. She has made timelines and compared phone data which all makes it look like it was impossible that Richard did this. I think you are right, and we will never know for sure. An innocent man could be in jail, or not.
She's 2nd hand reporting... support the real investigators
@@williamrae9954 Lawyer Lee, Bob Motta and Andrea Berkhart. All three lawyers. All three there for the trial every day. Watch all three, get different perspectives. Not the same as being there, but much better than nothing and much better than arm chair “experts”
@IamKelt I was up to 5am every morning watching them...dunno who you were watching, the Merder Creeps?
@@maryrosemitchell2528 hopefully, jury can explain their reasoning when gag order is lifted.
Another foolish channel
Should be a mistrail. He was tortured in solitary confinement for 13 months and the judge was CLEARY biased and wouldn't let the defence do their job
i used to say that too and got plenty of attacks! I still kind of think he did it though. What I don't understand is, why would he call and admit to being there at the time of the murders?
Amen.
@SueP-jg9vx that's the main thing that has me confused with this whole case. I really just don't see somebody guilty of the crime calling to put themselves near the crime
He wasn't in traditional solitary confinement, and he certainly wasn't tortured. He had daily visits with his doctor. He had a tablet (which he chose to break at one point) that gave him the ability to read books, watch shows, and play games. He was able to make phone calls (he made over 700 in a two year period). He was offered a TV, but declined the offer. He had food, which he also would refuse at times.
The defense was able to do their job, but it's pretty hard to defend a guilty person.
The white van says he was there!
Not letting a third-party defense in was ridiculous. Poor jury will find out how much they weren't told
Exactly! What was one of the girl's hands holding over 50 strands of her sister's hair that was torn out by the root? How can a grainy video of a man be a 'smoking gun'? Why was the type of weapon other than a sharp object noted as the murder weapon? Whose blood was used to draw a supposedly Druidic rune on a tree close to where the girls were found? How was not one single bit of Allen's DNA not found on the girls? None of the girls' DNA transferred into Allen's car? Allen doesn't seem like the type of guy that could have killed 2 young and able-bodied teen girls and covered up his evidence so completely. Too many things just don't add up and don't satisfy me.
Yes and no. His defense was that he didn’t do it; ergo, a third party did.
They'll also find out that bullet evidence wasn't nearly as strong as it was portrayed. It's not nothing but definitely not something to be considered in isolation. The state really presented a weak case
You cannot allow police leads that led nowhere 🤣🤣
That’s standard. Every defendant wants to say a third party did it. The prosecution has the burden to prove that the defendant did it, not that a third party didn’t do it. No judge lets a “third party did it” as a defense.
Appreciate your views of this case such a sad case for the Families of those young girls
If his confession had 2 major, likely very memorable facts completely wrong, and the confession only came after torture, wouldn't it be very likely he didn't do it?
Seems odd that a court would allow such a confession under mental duress like that when it's not even remotely accurate.
Been waiting for this. Thanks Dr. G.
A fair trial would have helped on this.
@@DanaGrant-lw3nz Agree.
YES!
Same!!!❤
Same!!!!!
Many years ago, I was looking in the Yellow Pages for a business. Found the business: name, address, photo - the only thing missing was the PHONE NUMBER. I had to call 411 to get their number.
Bottom line: the phone number WAS THERE. But it was so huge and ornate that my brain was not seeing it as useful information but as part of the overall design….
Are we missing something huge in this case????
Such as ?
nah you just dumb
I don't understand how ANYONE can hurt kids. I just don't get it.
Mental illness
And that is a good thing. No one is perfect, but at the very least we should all see kids as innocents deserving protection. At least we know that people like this do exist, so we can try to be vigilant.
they are kinda annoying tbf
He's clearly insane.
Rather he's guilty or not, his rights were clearly violated which makes me think he will get out on appeal. Im Indiana born & raised. BG video looks like every other man in Indiana. I wish they would have done an analysis of BG height. Not one of the witnesses pointed at Richard Allen & said he's the guy they saw. I think Keegan Cline had something to do with this. I don't know what to think of Richard Allen. Those poor girls! 💔
The defense was literally not allowed to bring up that K Kline had catfished them to the bridge that day. Travesty of justice!
But no other man was dressed that way on that day at that time that libby recorded. That is huge.
@@mandystewart6737 dressed what way?
@@bethnshermy jeans, blue carhart, at 130 on a week day that libby recorded. Who matches bg video and down the hill audio.
Says who? We don’t know everyone who was there.
When this all started the cops were chasing down people that the girls were talking to online
Yes! KK and his dad were catfishing them. I thought maybe RA paid KK for the meetup info. But this was not mentioned at trial.
They were supposed to meet a non-existent teen model. Actually p*do KK. But before KK could r* and m* them, RA by chance kidnapped them?!?
@@JaneMiller0101judge gull precluded the defense from raising kegan or Tony kline at all
Even if he is guilty this conviction needs to be thrown out and given an actual fair trial. He should have been allowed the 3rd party defense there was at least equal evidence for that as against him those sketches should have been allowed since they are in every other case in existence, that FBI agent should have been allowed to testify this whole case was a sham.
It's not going to be, so live with it
Exactly right. Most of us are not saying he's factually innocent beyond a reasonable doubt. We are saying he most definitely did not get a fair trial, and the evidence simply does not cross the "guilty beyond reasonable doubt" threshold. Unless or until he gets a fair trail, he should still be "innoncent" in the eyes of the law.
One important fact: RA did not go to the police until AFTER the bridge guy video and audio were released.
So who initially cleared him and why?
Exactly. He knew the girls saw him, so he tried to get out in front of the issue by acknowledging he was there.
He went to the police 2 days after they were found dead.
This trial should have been made public because I saw nothing from the bits & pieces that he was the killer
It was public buy the transcripts my dear
@@CanyouseeanypartofmeYou can't. The whole mess is still under a gab order.
@@Jadeserphantuntil the sentencing
The trial was made public. Just because the cameras weren’t allowed doesn’t mean it was private
@@Jadeserphant people have been getting the transcripts of every pretrial hearing..nothing to do with the gag
He confessed to his wife and mother before psychosis. They both wouldn't let him nor believed him even after he stated it by saying, "I wouldn't tell you that I did it if I didn't do it" and, "but I did it". I think that's what drove him to psychosis. The two closest people to him wouldn't allow him to.
@@jessicaschubach4174 he just kept wanting to know if they would still love him. He was concerned they wouldn’t. He has been diagnosed with some kind of attachment/rejection disorder.
@@jessicaschubach4174 👍
Both of them disgust me. Especially the wife. She saw the video and knew that was her hubby. Then the audio was released and she knew that was his voice. She deleted her fb right after but I heard his voice on her fb videos. She probably washed his bloody clothes that night. To sleep beside him each night knowing he probably did it? She must be unwell.
I’ve always wondered how she couldn’t have known her husbands clothes, walk, voice. Must have known of any addictions?
I honestly believe the jury connected his voice to BG and that clinched it. If anyone had involvement at all, I hope they discover it and prosecute them.
@ Instead, some people wanted to blame the victims families. What a nightmare
If you lock normal people up in isolation long enough they will confess that they are Queen of Sheeba -- but that doesn't mean you bring them a tiara
Yes I agree but if in your confession you include details of the crime not released to the public, chances are you are perp.
But those details were known by his psychologist who admitted under oath she shared info and theories from public Facebook and reddit discussions@nikimagelakis9085
He called the police and placed himself at the scene of the crime wearing the same clothing as the dude in the video a long time before he was arrested. You people trying to say he’s innocent are the kinda people that would let Casey Anthony walk free. How much more do you need, a selfie with the bodies my god
He wasn’t in isolation he had human contact daily and iPad so he could communicate with family
He was given many things that is not normally in isolation
He was in safe keeping
And they successfully kept him safe and alive to stand trial and to be held accountable for his horrific crimes
@@nikimagelakis9085 I believe Richard Allen didnt start confessing anything until the police started giving him the paperwork with all of the details of the case.
I dont know if hes guilty or innocent but it seems he didnt get a fair trial. The judge refused to allow a lot of evidence that may have helped his case.
Errors in police admin..... this happens SO much. I heard of another case where someone checked the box that cadaver dogs had been to the scene but they hadn't. The body was there the whole time. Buried right next to the house.
Was it ever disclosed why that clerk picked his file out of all the leads? Everything about this case was messed up! It seems odd that someone his age would suddenly do something so extreme. He hadn’t sexually assaulted, so why murder? That’s really extreme. And using a knife is odd too - especially with two of them. I don’t know. Ultimately, whether he did it or not, he hasn’t received fair treatment for two years now
Everything is very weird
Very weird
But I bet, the truth is starting us in the eyes but we cannot put the puzzle together.
Right. Why live a normal life until your 40s and then randomly kill two kids? And what's with those other strange confessions to murders that never happened?
This case is bizarre and I don't know how anyone can feel good about the outcome.
@@MrDanny1145 The jury was very much uninformed. But even just looking at what they looked at, I couldn’t convict him. There was still too much doubt. They probably thought it was just safer to let it go to appeals
Good points
I think it was the property owner! He was probably pissed about people being on his land and killed in a rage
👍 Thank you for this. The world is watching, this non-transparent case needs more lights.
I Wish, The Mainstream Media Would Be As Thorough In Analyzing And Reporting Their Nonsense!
Dr. Grande, You Deserve A Pay Raise, And Thank You, For Your Work!
Unlike the msm though, Dr Grande doesn't diagnose, only speculates, on what may be happening in a situation like this. Often the media publish opinion as fact.
Though a bullet isn’t the same thing as a cartridge, a lay-man would use these terms interchangeably and most novices do refer to a cartridge as a bullet. Using the term in this way by law enforcement is, in my opinion, a term that makes the object more understandable to the average adult, and therefore the jurors.
Prayers up to these two poor kids 🙏🙏🙏…. Also prayers for the families 🙏🙏
After he’s sentenced will interagations be made public? That’s what I want to know.
Hope so. And I hope sentencing will be televised.
The judge is known for putting a gag order over and over on the case. Right now theres a gag order till the sentencing trial. My guess is another gag order will happen soon after that. They wont let this stuff become public
Hi. I can't emphasize enough how much I enjoy your videos; doctor. They just give my free time such a worth and value that can't be easily calculated.
Thank you, and please keep them coming.
I was working as a producer in the media in the region when this happened. It absolutely broke my heart and the coverage gave me nightmares for months. I feel how you do. It was most likely him, but it’s not without doubt. I wish we had more proof besides his own admissions and a bunch of witness testimony that doesn’t really corroborate anything.
You can’t eliminate someone from a crime just because they have a stable relationship and a stable job.
BTK is a perfect example of that
It's rare, but is happens, amazingly enough. I think the Green River killer was married & had a job painting trucks at the Kenworth factory (?)
John Wayne Gacey, I believe, was also married & worked as a construction contractor (?)
The man accused of the serial m*rders in Long Island was an architect.
The idea of profiling based on relationship status and employment is at a minimum flawed. If you think about the most notorious and/or prolific serial killers (Gary ridgway, Ted Bundy, Dennis Rader) all 3 had stable relationships and jobs. Rex heurman the suspected Long Island killer too has wife, children and steady job. But this whole thing is 50/50 because Richard Ramirez, son of Sam, Jeffrey dahmer and kobergher (if we believe he is guilty) just to name a few others were loners without steady partners or jobs. So in the end what good does looking at the relationship and job status does?
@@frankborsellino2885 agreed, they need to spend their time looking at other ways to find the criminal instead of wasting time, just looking at their job status and relationship.
Sometimes that makes sense such as if the man or woman was having an affair, but in this case that doesn’t apply because it involves young teenagers, not a wife or husband.
They referred to the cartridge as a 'bullet' in police documents? That hurt my brain. These folks should not be doing this kind of jobs.
Exactly. This drives me crazy.
I agree
A🎉un spent round or round other wise extant metafor of misspelt tax revenue in a trial where a hung jury was switched to a hung man
@@bencarter7839 I do NOT believe the cartridge matched his gun ONLY. How many other same-model guns were tested?
@Mike-es2yg I don't remember details of the testing, but I believe it is disputed that manually ejected cartridges can be definitively matched to a specific gun.
In a community that small, there are many men fitting Richard Allen's description. He did place himself there, he did provide the evidence of seeing a van and the time correlated with his statement. The van was what did him in because it was not evidence given to the public. I hope the right guy is in jail but I am not sure.
There were olenty of references to white vans on the online sites where Monica Walla (his prison psychologist) posted comments
@@NellsTravelKitchen From what source? People who were on the bridge saw that van arriving at 2:30?
@@NellsTravelKitchen But would Richard Allen know that? Or could someone have told him there was a sighting of a white van about 2:30? I doubt anyone would have given that info while he was in jail, all was taped. I don't think he could access the sites where the murders were being discussed.
Not to the public. Given to him in discovery
@@calykoo69 The only thing I can really believe is that Odinism has nothing to do with these murders. I do question how RA kept both girls kidnapped w/o help.
At 8:02 you mention that "Richard does not match the typical profile of someone who could commit the type of crime involved in this case".
I instantly thought of the case of "David Russell Williams (born March 7, 1963) a Canadian serial rapist, murderer and former colonel in the Royal Canadian Air Force" (Wikipedia).
He also did not have "a profile of someone who could commit the type of crime involved".
I rarely quote The Bible, however, it applies in this case: 1 Peter 5:8. King James Version. "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour".
These young girls ventured beyond the security of their loved ones.
The were several men that were so called , outstanding citizens of their church and stable relationship with their wife and children that also did things similar to this so you can’t rule them out just because of this.
Right, look at Chris Watts too, no one thought he could do what he did to his own family
Dr. Grande is still correct. Williams and Richard are BOTH exceptions to the general rule that the type of people that do commit crimes such as these do have criminal histories, troubled youths, substance abuse problems, and tend to be loners without too many strong connections with friends and family.
Why would any parent let their young daughter, and her younger friend walk alone in the woods, isolated and unwatched at any time of the day? Were the victims set up? The 13th of the month is an important date for certain groups of people, is it not? "Dropping off" these children to walk alone where families don't seem to go, and lone men are definitely known to do it seems very suspicious to me. And what was RA doing out and about in the woods by himself w/o fishing gear, but just wandering to exactly where the crimes happened? In the picture shown here of the bridge, the second one, a person seems to be shown on the tracks in the distance. The parent (s?) must have been stupid that day, of all days.
@@MrArgus11111 Richard did have substance abuse (alcohol) and mental health problems though...
Thank you for covering this case. The fact that the trial was not televised, gives a feeling of being unsure, that the right person has been found guilty. There is no real evidence against him, apart from what he said, himself. Putting himself there, telling the police he had similar clothing, and the confessions. I think if the public had been able to see the trial every day, we could have understood it better.
Most countries don't televise trials. One reason is to maintain the intervenientes anonymous and protected, another is to not turn it into a public circus (which happens a lot in the US).
The trial is not for you do decide whether or not he is gulty, it's for the jury to decide.
@@susanam.826agreed that is common other places. However as Americans we believe in the right to a public trial. It is a function of oversight of our elected officials. Gulls actions make this even more important.
totally agree!
We are welcome to look it up. There isn't a good reason to publicize the case when the victims are minors.
@@susanam.826 spot on. The USA has got it very wrong. Every aspect of the justice system is politicised. In an ideal system, details of a trial should be released only after a conviction. An ongoing trial should be protected to ensure the integrity of the system. Fact - the USA has the highest rate of wrongful conviction among comparable democracies.
The "guilty in reality, but not beyond a reasonable doubt" thing just seems like a cop out to me; it allows people to acknowledge the troubling aspects of the case, including the shifty evidence, while still giving them the consolation of believing the right party was ultimately caught and punished.
If Allen is guilty, how does that square with the inaccurate confessions? Or the fact there was apparently activity at the crime scene after he would've left? Or the fact eyewitness testimonies appear to disagree? Or that he doesn't appear to fit the profile?
Just a crazy man talking crazy n eating poo!
I personally think the jury got it right.
The state bureau of investigation needed to take this case!
One was killed,and then they were kicked out by Local L.E.!!
@@leecordell7418 "One was killed" That sound like a good way to bring in tons of other nonlocal agents.
This entire case is so bizarre to me.. all I wish for is that these beautiful young angels, Abigail and Liberty, got the justice they so insanely deserve. Rest in peace babies.
I find the plugging in of the headphone jack to one of the girls phones to be the most exonerating thing in this case for Richard. If the court believe he wasn't there doing that, who was? It's as if someone is watching back on the girl's phone what she has recorded, to make sure they weren't on there. Or perhaps making sure Richard was...
If they know when headphones were plugged in then they know if videos were watched.
I think it's much more likely that the headphone socket had a faulty microswitch.
@@eadweard.these people who are defending this chomo are sickening there are so many it just shows how many other dangerous people are out and about
4:25 Richard Allen racked the slide in a threatening manner and, because he was DRUNK, didn't realize that a round would eject by doing this. In his prison confessions he talks about losing a round at the crime scene. Most likely he couldn't find and recover the round among the leaf-covered ground.
(Edit: So many weirdoes simping for Allen. Just like when they're about to execute a serial killer/serial rapist and you see women outside the prison holding signs with hearts, crying because they're going to kill the "little angel".)
Whoa! Evidence of this?
@@kellymac77 Dr. Grande forgot that there are some elements of his confessions that perfectly match crime scene facts that were never disclosed to the public. The round at the scene is one of those. I'll try to find it for you.
@eldesgraciado6690 You may also want to find where R.A. did not start confessing with facts until after he was given the case facts against him in his cell to prepare for trial. L.E. fed him the crime scene facts then R.A. was eating the paperwork. Is what I heard.
@@eldesgraciado6690 it's fairly common in cases like this for detectives to feed concealwd evidence to confessing defendants to get a conviction, not saying it happened, but they also claim the BS physical gun evidence, so any and all other evidence is suspect.
@@chazzbranigaan9354exactly!
RA was a scapegoat, shocking verdict
He's bridge guy.
@@thomasupton2664YOU’RE PROBABLY BRIDGE GUY.
I can tell you from experience being in the hole can make you a little cuckoo I don’t know about confessing to murders but everybody’s different ! I can tell you this much I don’t know if he’s guilty, but there’s plenty of reasonable doubt, and I don’t know how he was convicted with such a small amount of evidence ! Also as Dr. grande said I have never heard of a cartridge being connected to a gun without it being fired there can be no ballistics, unless the gun is fired ! Again, as Dr. grande said he did not fit the profile. Something just isn’t right here.
This case represents everything wrong with our justice system.
1. Conviction based on psychosis induced confessions and talking to the police.
2. Prison causing psychosis
3. Botched police investigation
4. Leading to a stranger killing two girls and not getting the death penalty
The fact that he had no record or past history of sexual assault is always the case before a predator becomes a predator. I believe he had secretly wanting to commit an assault like this and finally he seized as the right opportunity when it came .
I was on the fence, but tipping more toward him being guilty. But after watching a video of RA yesterday of him at the bar that he was known to patron, there’s no question in my mind that he did it.
He wore the same baggy jeans, scrunched at the bottom, and the way that he walked was very similar to BG (one foot kinda pigeon toed). Also, he wasn’t really sociable. Not anywhere near as sociable as the other customers, which really stood out to me.
@@georgiegirl8345 Where does all the male anger come from? I will never understand why anyone would target two innocent girls. It's possible he is highly insecure and maybe he feels powerful when he can control young women. I did see a youtube of a former co-worker of his at a Walmart. She said Richard Allen was behaving creepy towards her and other women and saying inappropriate things. Even if he had a sex addiction or some abuse in his childhood, it doesn't excuse murdering 2 innocent young girls. These guys always fly under the radar and want to blame anything from their past on doing evil things.
Dr. Grande, I’m a long time subscriber and have been following your channel for many years (since statistics days…). I always appreciate your opinions , professionalism and clear analyses, however, in this case, I think that there is more than reasonable doubt brought on by a bad investigation. The timeline the state alleges leaves him a few minutes to commit the two murders, dress one of the girls in the other’s attire, and lay the twigs on the bodies. All that without anyone hearing anything. The passing of the van also does not coincide with the timeline he was supposedly there. Also: the eye witnesses described someone who doesn’t look like him: he is distinctly short, none of them mentioned that. His incarceration conditions were horrific… enough to elicit any thing from anyone. There was nothing in his childhood, upbringing or relationships that implied or was even close to suggesting he is a man capable of such act.
The reason he voluntarily went to the police may not have been what you have suggested, Dr. Grande, but rather that he went, like the other witnesses have, because the police asked everyone who was on the bridge that day to come forward.
This time, there are weighty reasons to suspect that a truly innocent man was convicted. This is a disconcerting thought, very upsetting and depressing. I think many would rather think that he is in fact guilty than to face these other options.
What about the headphones plugged in, too. Also, can you tell me about the conditions in the prison where he was detained? You seem to know about them. Thank you and great comment. I agree. There should also have been an exact height analysis preformed.
Danari is simping for serial k¡IIers.
Thank you Great comment.
Nope, unconvinced.
@@MJanovicable umm Brad Holder the Odinite cultist whos son was Abby's boyfriend did this, thx
So it's common for police, who carry firearms and ammo EVERY DAY, and regularly qualify at the range, don't know the difference between cartridges and bullets in police reports?
Ummm...... that's concerning. 🤦♀️🙄
It's over. Poor Abby and Libby.
I live just south of Delphi. I REALLY wanted thean that killed those babies to be caught and prosecuted....but I don't think that's what happened. I have children and grandchildren that could've been the person they found that day. The idea of a person or group of people are still out there makes my blood go cold. I followed this trial and knowing what I now know, I don't think it was Allen. I think he's genuinely the guy in the right place but wrong time. The magic bullet also matched to a gun that another POI owned and there was no real way to identify or judge which gun it belonged to. It's so sad and I feel for all the families involved.
Yep, when the totality of investigative evidence if reviewed, there is strong evidence "the" killers or at least many of them are still on the loose.....and that local LE intentionally decided not to pursue highly relevant leads implicating at least 3 individuals.
@bariolivier1556 watching the trial summeries at the end of each day, a single person doing this makes no sense. I look at my husband who is a few years younger and in better shape and just can't imagine a smaller, weaker man doing this. One of those kids could've booked it and dipped out regardless of their solidarity. I mean, if it's me or you...sorry boo you gotta go lol. The fact that there was none of bridge guys DNA on or near the girls is huge. The fact that the sisters DNA was found in a girls hand after being stripped, assaulted, brutally killed and left for hours is massive. His "confessions" were only made after the fact that he was certifiably psychotic and on enough drugs to sedate a small city AND after he was given the discovery files is even bigger. The judge was biased and as eager for a guilty verdict as the cops that made mistake after mistake were. This was a railroad job and it's going to destroy what's left of this man and his family. I feel for those girls families, I cannot fathom that type of loss. But logically it just doesn't fit. I feel terrible for those jurors after they find out what exactly was left out of the evidence and regret the judgment they made.
I am so frustrated right now with our judicial sustem...ugh!
This one is a tricky one. There’s something about it that makes me doubt that Richard did it
Thank god you weren't on the jury
But you can’t even hint as to what your doubts are?
Got it
I notice that so many of you RA groupies call him by his first name which is a term of endearment.....you give yourselves away ......
Witnesses saw him at the trail that day and a bullet that was racked from his gun was at the crime scene. When investigators asked Allen if anybody else has used his gun, he said “no”. I’m not sure what else you need to convict…?
@@zimmy4868what witnesses. Nobody could identify him on the trial. He is only like 5'2 they could've remembered that and it wasn't a bullet, only a cartridge from any gun
It’s kind of scary every time I see someone get convicted with such scant evidence.
How so? He told investigators he was at the trail that day (along with witnesses that verified it). A bullet found at the crime scene was found to be racked from a gun that he owned. When investigators asked Allen if anyone else has ever used his gun, he said “no”. And not to mention, he confessed to the murders to his wife from jail on the phone. Wow, that’s some “scant” evidence.
Don't kill 2 kids
The cartridge being found in the small space between the 2 girls is sort of undeniable evidence. Richard was under stress that day due to his mother's hip and health problems, so he said he went to clear his head on the walk. An insect could have entered the hole in the phone and made contact since it was under the body of one of the girls in the dirt in the woods. Not ALL of his confessions were true, but he could have been trying to erase the effect of telling the truth. Richard said, "You got me" when they searched his home. His confessions to his wife and his mom were extremely convincing, and he was not suffering from psychosis at the time. The clincher was that he said he was spooked by a white van and abandoned his idea of SA'ing them, and then the police tracked the van down and it was not common knowledge, so it was not a conviction without foundation. There is a God, and there is no freaking doubt he is guilty.
No doubt at all. Everyone in Carroll County is sleeping better these days. I don't know of any local people who support him (besides his family). They're all internet crazies who listen to the "news" sources such as podcasters who are obscuring the truth and creating confusion and controversy for their own profit. It's sick. One of those podcasters is a defense attorney who worked closely with Allen's defense and has been their mouthpiece, allowing them to circumvent the gag order that has been and remains in place. He is making $$ off this and probably being compensated by the defense as well (I don't know that for a fact.) I know for a fact that the defense gave him a highly coveted seat in the courtroom, he calls Richard Allen "Rick", advocates strongly for his innocence, and published a podcast episode daily throughout the trial, all while claiming to be impartial. He and the defense are responsible for a huge amount of misinformation. They saw how it worked in the Karen Read case to create an innocence movement and followed suit. "Rick" Allen is guilty as sin.
dream on fantasy girl
You don't know anything 100 either.
iPhone 6 in 2017 in the woods would not have precise data. Plus police downloaded phone, gave to family, who used it, then returned to police when newer technology was available to extract more data.
RA is a monster
They wanted a conviction so bad, they were willing to convict anyone including an innocent man.
Marks on the cartridge case could match imperfections in the gun's breach but then again such imperfections could have been made during manufacturing of the gun and so not made exclusively to Richard's gun.
Three key words - Beyond Reasonable Doubt.
Explain
@@rainymctrixie1maybe he doesn't really know what it means
@@HappyHK369 He who?
He's a logical suspect. I'm not too worried about it. He was there. His bullet was there. He's clearly unhinged.
Richard Allen is not guilty of these murders. He too is a victim. Anyone that has read anything about the murders knows he is innocent. Stop judging on what the local news tells you. There is so much more to this case. The truth will be told.
Lol you Lil goof
Good work on this case. I like your personal approach, the high quality video and the camera angel. Your after thoughts are really good👌
You forgot to mention the sticks, which are a huge part of this case.
Richard Allen is Bridge Guy. The image taken by Libby shows this: A short middle-aged man. Jeans do not gather up at the ankle like that on tall men. He is wearing the same clothes Richard Allen said he was wearing.
@@EdWine-o5q
Exactly. Your thinking with common sense.