Victor Two Spring Motor Rebuild Part 1
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2011
- The Victor single barrel two spring motor and its big brother four spring was introduced in 1918. Possibly one of the best wind-up phonograph motors ever produced. The simple design of it makes it an easy rebuild and perfect for the beginner.
THE FEAR OF SPRINGS: This video is not intended to wash away the fear of springs. If not handled properly the springs on this motor could cause serious injury.. This video shows my procedure for spring removal and replacement and should be used for reference only. ATTEMPT SPRING REMOVAL AT YOUR OWN RISK.
My husband came to this video for hope🎉s of repairing a 1918 Victor Victrola Talking machine...l found it on the roadside for $25.00 all needles and records and the original paper work.....This video that you have made is a very informative and successful...we now are dancing to the very oldies....Thankyou...sincerelySam
Thanks for all the videos! I just finished cleaning and reassembling my identical Victor Victrola VV-VI and I will say that I wouldn't even have attempted it without watching your videos.
Just thought you'd like to know I still have my phono repair shoppe and it is going strong. I've repaired over 100 spring motors now and restored dozens of my own phonographs. Your 'How To' videos started me down this path in January, 2013 after I sent a broken motor to the folks in St Johnsbury, Vermont to repair. They fixed the motor very nicely and sent a bill for $300. Thanks to your videos, folks are now sending me their motors to fix. Very cool! Just the right kind of thing to keep a retired guy happy. Thanks! Cliff
PDX78s Hello Cliff, I also plan on doing phonograph rebuilds when I retire. I have been restoring New England mental clocks but plan on adding antique phonographs in part due to this video that helped me with my first rebuild. I still have 13 years to retirement but have a plan similar to yours. Do you have a website with some of your rebuilds? I would love to check it out if you do. Best of luck in 2018 with your vintage music shop. Jonathan Sheffield, you can reach me at Jon at JonathanSheffield dot com
Thank you so very much for your videos on repairing the Victrola mechanism. I have a Model VV-240 manufactured in 1922. It belonged to my grandparents, then my parents and now me. Because of your excellent video I had the courage to tackle rehabing the mechanism. I know that the Victrola has had very little use in the 69 years I have been alive. Mostly it has just sat. Fortunately, I live in Arizona where things do not rust. There was very little wear on the mechanism, so all I had to do was disassemble, clean, and reassemble. It now runs very well. I will say that installing the springs in the drum was considerably harder than you made it look. The springs in mine hook over flanges. Again, thank you!
Super tutorial. I've just regreased the springs in my victrola ix. It had major bumping on winding up and running down so much so that it made the record jump. My model has two spring barrels instead of the one with two springs inside but it's pretty much as your video. One thing that made it easier was that I put the barrel into a wooden vice, bit like your test bench so I had both hands when putting in and taking out the spring. The machine works perfectly now with no rumbles! Greetings from the United Kingdom! Many thanks for your very good video and well photographed!
Christopher M Mine is has 2 spring barrels instead of one. But that was during the Orthophonic period when Victor made that one, and it was an upgrade where it does improve well.
I just purchased a Victrola XI, after wanting one for years, these vids are going to be a great help in restoring it, thanks!
Outstanding series of practical videos! I successfully rebuilt the motor from my Orthophonic VV 8-4, which is a type 440, 4 spring motor. After cleaning all the parts, and re-lubricating the mainsprings, it plays beautifully! Your video takes one step by step through the disassembly, cleaning, and reassembly process, with not simply just a "how". but also "why". A great contribution to Victrola enthusiasts!
I just watched what I am going to have to go through. This first video makes it look like fun. Thanks!!!!!
Excellent video / tutorial. I have a VV-210 in working condition. It plays but does make the thumping noise you described from the motor. I plan to service it myself, having several years of antique radio repair experience, gunsmithing. Thanks for creating this video and sharing your knowledge. I had no idea how this Victrola motor operated. Thank you!
Thank you so much for taking your time to demonstrate, edit and upload your videos on this rebuild. It is generosity like this that makes UA-cam flex its reason for being.
You have a lot of patients to deal with all these internal parts. You did a wonderful job narrating and videoing this. I am learning from your program and I plan to watch it a number of times. Thank you for your informative video.
Excellent video, I just used it to rebuild a vv-100 I just acquired on ebay. I couldn't find slick 50 at AutoZone and instead used mobile synthetic grease and mobile 1 synthetic oil I put in a pump oil can. The rebuild made a huge difference. I used to rebuild and repair new England (Sessions) mantle clocks so I am used to working with springs and gears but your video took all the guess work out of my first phonograph rebuild. I plan on doing antique clock restoration when I retire and will now add phonographs to the list thanks in part to your well done video. Thanks again, Jonathan Sheffield
Thanks for posting this series! Fascinating and very informative.
This is possibly the best instructional video I have ever seen on UA-cam. Thank you for posting it.
Thank you very much for this series of videos. I felt confident enough to step into the garage and rebuild the motor on my humble VV4-3. It was a complete, but very dirty, success.
Wonderful six part series. Many thanks for producing it with such clear commentary running throughout.
I am dismantling, cleaning and reassembling my 1919 Victrola in the very building where the cabinet was created (now loft apartments), right across the street from the Victor Talking Machine motor assembly department (now a parking lot).
Your video has undoubtedly saved many a Victrola that might have gone to the trash heap. There is a millennial guy who has recently opened a business called The Vault, in Berlin NJ, dedicated to advancing the history of Victor Talking Machine. He owns the trade names Victrola, Victor Talking Machine and Radio Corporation of America, and is aiming to launch vintage and new music on the labels to Spotify, having already acquired 10,000 masters and steel disc recordings. Comprehensive history display in a night club atmosphere, live music.
Search "Graham Alexander -The Vault". Amazing things are happening.
Can't thank you enough for this series of videos, I just rebuilt my VV-90 (S/N: 67596) this weekend and it sounds great. Hope to come across another that I can refurbish in the future. What a great piece of functional history to own and enjoy.
I know this is an older video series, but it’s exactly what I need as I’m going to attempt to rebuild my VV4-3 single barrel (2 spring) motor. It looks exactly like this, only no speed indicator needle to deal with. I’m a tinkerer, but never done this before. This video seems perfect, thanks. I’m missing one weight on governor, so hoping I can order it. This one has never been cleaned, so lots to do. My crank handle doesn’t wind at all, just spins. I’m guessing I’ve got a broken spring, but won’t know until I open this up. Fingers crossed.
I wanted to thank you for this series of videos. They started me down a path that has evolved into my phono shoppe which is keeping me occupied and entertained since I retired. Very cool! Thanks, again! CDB
Just a note that my phonograph repair shop is still going, now over 7 years old. Amazing how a simple series of videos can be a life changer. Thanks!
Great videos series, good to see you again friend, I am putting all these in my favorites, great stuff
hey welcome back!! i too missed your awesome instructional videos.i have a portable that needs
the spring repaired so these videos are welcomed.happy new year!
I have an HMV 103. Me and a mate might have a go at this. Brilliant video; quality instruction!
Very good video and well explained .I have an Jaa engine,US Made Iwiil try to fix it,I learn plenty watching the program.Very professional.
I'm trying to learn how these motor's work and this was fascinating and helpful. Thank you.
So simple
The govoner is way cool in its operation
Excellent! thank you! I have missed your instructional videos!
This was a great video thanks for all the knowledge!
Excellent explanation 👍👍👌
So grateful for your tutorials! I finally got my hands on a Victor Talking Machine and the videos have given me the knowledge (and courage) to make mine right. Thanks so much! Also, I must have been paying attention because I quickly noticed the spring barrel on mine was the opposite of the one in your videos. The larger drive gear is on the side with the lid and faces away from the winding mechanism. Not sure if that's the way this one was built or if someone serviced it once and put the barrel in backwards.
thanks for the info, i have an edison gem phonogragh i want to clean up and restore. this will help a ton.
This looks pretty do-able for me. The motor on my VV-80 gives a loud clunk every so often, but works fine otherwise. I think I'm gonna give this a shot. Good videos, very helpful.
You are my hero :)
I just pulled off my first total rebuild thanks to you. You are my God dude. Can you throw a brother a bone and help me with a tone arm reconstruction?
I tried to remove the springs from the spring motor of my Victor Orthophonic 8-4 and I been very careful not to cause any injuries. The next time when I remove the springs, I'll try to be extra careful if it pops out and watch it spinning around to back away. This is the same thing they did when you light up a firework, you have to back away until it sets off and explodes in a beautiful display of colors. That's the way to take caution.
I will have to work on the motor that is in my Orthophonic Credenza that I have restored. I just posted the PT7 video. I hope I can get good help from watching your videos. Thanks. Gary
@RCALennon Looks like your machine will have the early two barrel motor inside. If you are mechanically inclined....it's pretty easy to figure out. On the plus side, the springs are easier to deal with....
I got this beast for $5 at a barn sale and it's a Victor Victrola VV 8-4 which dates back to 1926. It has the same 2-Spring Motor assembly which was common on all Victor Victrolas between the 1910's and 1920's. It was all gummed up and completely seized. This console is very heavy and it weighs about a ton, and I don't know if it's going to fit for my room until I have to clean that stuff up. I'll work on the motor to get it restored soon, the cabinet is kinda beat up, and the wood texture has fallen apart due to water damage, but it needs to be redone.
Very helpful well done video,Thank you ! I have a 1917 similar to the one your working on except the one I have has twin motors and I don't know how to remove the motors. Would love to see a video on how to tear down and clean the twin motors. Nick Mannino
@SuperEckster It pulls out with a firm tug. The motor's mounted with 3 screws onto a wooden board, with what looks like old black leather underneath the turntable (can't be a finish problem, as the finish on this thing's pretty good). Motor appears to be a typical 2 spring Swiss built motor, possibly by Thorens. Getting it out to send off will be a pain, but I'm sure I can manage :\
You’re amazing
great
This is great! I have been putting off doing something with a table top Victrola that I picked up cheap at a friend's antique store. I replaced the broken governor springs, but was afraid to do the spring barrel. It would play but then thump and start slowing down. The inner spring has a slot rather than a hole to attach to the rivet. It hasn't been broken. It appears to have been made that way. Is that normal?
Hey man! Thanks so much! I want to be able to take mine apart but the crank is wound completely tight and its stuck like that. How do I make it move? Thanks!!!
I had a mainspring replaced 20 years ago by a reputable repair shop and its starting to thump again. I'm wondering if all greases do that after time?
may I ask what is the longest after a full crank that this motor can run?? can it reach at least 10 minutes??
Could you show me how the table stop goes together? I'm working on rebuilding my girlfriends grandmother's victrola.
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i have a victrola model VV100 1980 purchased by my grandfather from the Chalmers in new jersey co. in 1921. Can you service that?
Would you help if the torque not enough to rotate when put on needle and play? Which part I need to tune? I see the speed normal when no loading. Any advice?
I would love to work on one
My phonograph doesn't have a motorboard (as far as I know). It's a generic off-brand tabletop phonograph from the '20s, you know, the usual antique store fare. However, there is no bottom to it (there looks to be notches where a bottom would have been fitted in,though). The motor is rather similar to the one in the video, and it's mounted the same way. So, how would I remove the motor for servicing or sending it to a repairman?
Does this use a constant force spring, or a mainspring. If its a mainspring, how is the force of it not exerted really fast and then slow down as time progresses?
Hi, I have the exact same motor, it has a weight and Spring missing on the governor and bearing missing from the drive spindle. Do you know where in uk I could obtain these parts?
Can you tell me how to open the top to access motor? I have removed the screws, but it doesn't want to open. My grandson wound it forwards and backwards and broke it :( I also wanted to add my thanks for doing these great videos!
So are the two springs in this mechanical motor are for even distribution of force as they unwound, producing even-torque thru its run?
Imagine something of this nature enlarged and put in an electric car. Something to use to backup your batteries. Just have it driving an alternator for charging them. Maybe your brakes could rewind? And maybe you could use carbon fiber for the mainspring to cut down on weight I'm just thinking storing energy mechanically as well as chemically could prove advantageous.
Wonderful video! I'm planning on only cleaning the spring barrel and greasing it. do I still need to dismount the entire motor from the wooden board? Or can I just take the spring barrel out while everything else is still attached on the wooden board? to Any help would be great, thank you.
Absolutely. If the motor plays fine you can service only the spring barrel.
chilldude2007 thank you so much! I am so glad that you made this amazing video here so beginners like me can attempt to address issues with phonograph and have an opportunity to learn!
Hello i try to make an old gramophone to work again and i have some issues i wind it and instead of the plate start moving the handle goes the opposite way really fast when i let it can you help me please?
how much did this one cost ?
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How did you get the platter part off - the part the record lays on? Mine doesn't want to lift off and I'm unsure how firm to be.
Karen Koch you need to move the platter break lever to the off position and it should lift up easily
I have the same machine but the motor lacks power. In addition, it works for around 3 to 4 minutes at proper speed and then it slows down. Is it possible that the springs are fatigued? I normally wind the crank about 40 to 50 turns.
Manduca Cipriano my victrola was doing the same exact thing but after rebuilding like this video, works great. Most likely the grease is getting hard and causing your problem. Time for a rebuild.
Thanks. I just purchased a VV-100 and knowing how to rebuild its motor will definitely come in handy. Question: I cannot seem to be able to lift the motor board. I notice in your video the your motor board has two brackets on either side of the bottom face. Does your board rotate on these brackets? Any idea how to remove a late model (type D) VV-100 motor board? Thnx
bhag meister I have the same model and just did a rebuild. There two clips on each side the board swivels on. You lift the front to swivel up and then pull out at an angle and it comes off the clips. There is also a guide track on the left side that will need to be taken off.
Be sure to remove the crank first...
When can I do if that motor is over winded
I have a 1912 with the (a)after the number and it the same spring.
the earlier model XI's had a much simpler speed control. I wonder why they changed it in the later models?
My wife just got one Grafonola as a gift, it was her great grandmas, thinking is 1920's do you repair them? can we send it out and can you get us your cost to repair?, I'm a little nervous to do it my self , I'm pretty handy but just thinking how far along this has been in the family puts a lot a pressure.
We have old one used to play. Yet I think it's been over cranked .. can this be repaired?
I have the same thing I need to repair it .
I have only structure
See if the turntable removes It should be held in place with three screws somewhere often times its mounted to a round metal plate which is held on by 3 screws instead of being on a wooden motorboard
Greetings I bought an old house and the was a vitrola player in it. Still works but is kind of slow. Can you send me an schematic to take it apart
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